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02:46:26 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
02:46:26 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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03:00:17 Egan: I worked on FMD, techncially
03:00:32 Egan: hours after the task appeared, but I did thing
03:02:26 syv: What did you work on precisely?
03:03:25 Egan: added more spacing to main document, made a todo document
03:04:06 syv: I really really suck at making outlines before the actual thing
03:04:25 syv: Which usually results in me remaking the thing several times before I have something I want
03:05:33 syv: AoTTG 2's beta release in about a week
03:06:15 syv: Anf there's several minor issues I'm essentially responsible for fixing, which should take a couple hours to fix at worst.
03:06:19 Egan: would 12 stats be too much? 6 mundane and 6 magical
03:06:36 syv: What are the stats and why are the stats?
03:06:45 Egan: but I kinda wanted to add a reflexes stat and a magic stat based around stability
03:07:26 Egan: strength, aim, stealth, awareness, speech
03:07:48 Egan: probably self explainatory
03:08:19 Egan: vitality is self buffs and speed, giving the flight power, which is an important defensive aspect
03:08:43 Egan: pathos is offensive power and generally powerful but unreliable effects
03:09:10 Egan: compassion is probably healing and mental stuff and support?
03:09:19 syv: Merge stealth and awareness
03:09:21 Egan: hope is general magical girl vibes
03:09:41 syv: Both are support stats and aren't really comparable in value to str/aim in a combat game.
03:11:12 syv: I wouldn't add reflexes, but a stability magic stat could be fine, depending on how you do magic.
03:11:57 syv: If magic skills are just "if you invest in this skill you can get this kinda magic" rather than "you have all these kinds of magic, choose which you're good at and which you're bad at", then you don't need to worry about having lots of magic stats,
03:16:03 Egan: eh, hope makes sense anyways
03:16:32 Egan: for some reason I didn't want it to double duty for mana and stress, but that's probably managable
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03:39:56 Devastator: just got back from a nap.
03:42:15 Devastator: Canucks won game one.
03:42:21 Devastator: game two is tomorrow.
03:42:31 Devastator: 15 more wins to get the cup.
03:43:39 syv: hockey, but instead of sticks everyone gets chainsaws
03:44:42 syv: hockey, but instead of skates everyone gets chainsaws
03:44:47 Devastator: surely it's sportspuck.
03:45:57 syv: hockey, but instead of a puck everyone goes after a chainsaw
03:46:21 Devastator: hockey, but instead of ice there are just chainsaws.
03:47:14 Devastator: Chainsaws, but instead of chainsaws there are chainsaws.
03:47:25 Egan: there is that FPS where your leg is a chainsaw
03:47:37 Devastator: That sounds like something from Broforce.
03:49:44 Egan: so that you can get an upgrade to make it both legs
03:49:50 syv: is the character one-legged with a pogo chainsaw?
03:50:12 Egan: no, it's a cyberleg which opens up to reveal the chainsaw
03:50:38 Devastator: invisible chainsaw.
03:51:00 Devastator: would the people in PS be unable to recognize a magic chainsaw?
03:51:09 syv: It would just be a chainsaw?
03:51:41 Devastator: mmm, so they'd be able to recognize a chainsaw because there's nothing inherantly magical about chainsaws.
03:52:10 Devastator: unfortunately, I suspect they'd recognize a magical chainsaw analog as.. a mundane chainsaw.
03:52:15 syv: Now they may not grok abnormal traits of that chainsaw
03:52:32 syv: If it's made of skeletons and has a ten-meter blood blade then there would be some fuckery going on
03:52:57 Devastator: just wondering about the possibility of a PS chainsaw murderer cutting people up with imperceptible chainsaws.
03:53:02 syv: But if you're holding a magic chainsaw they'll see you as just holding a normal one.
03:53:20 syv: Broadly you're not going to get "imperceptible" without the cre power
03:53:34 Egan: BART YOU WANNA SEE MY NEW CHAINSAW BEFORE YOU GO TO BED?????
03:53:36 syv: Or maybe some weird love/pure stuff
03:53:57 syv: You'll just get inaccurate perceptions
03:55:49 Devastator: yeah, that makes too much sense.
03:55:57 Devastator: only labrynths and such are imperceptible.
03:56:10 Devastator: I'm pretty sure mundanes can't see labs.
03:57:33 Egan: now I want to enchant a kitchen knife to be imperceptable to normals
03:57:45 Egan: but PS doesn't really have enchantments, bah
03:58:01 syv: Actually I'm going to add them, kinda
03:59:21 Devastator: yeah, love does need some love.
03:59:33 syv: Love has always needed Love
03:59:35 Devastator: Eh, we talked about them, but it isn't 'real' until it's written down and on the forums.
03:59:43 syv: It's always been the worst class
04:00:10 syv: I've also wanted to give it enchants for years, really.
04:00:31 Devastator: Could also be vague about it.
04:00:42 syv: There's the one scene where Mami enchants Sayaka's bat, and Sayaka uses it to summon a shield.
04:00:44 Devastator: put soul in item, item is 'improved', but it's not controllable, not so much.
04:01:26 syv: Yeah I've wondered how to handle enchants, and that was one of the earlier ideas for how. It's problematic, which id why I never went with it.
04:01:36 syv: Crystallize is power cloning.
04:02:13 syv: You don't enchant your sword to be a better sword, you enchant your sword to cast Close Combat III or something
04:02:27 Devastator: I don't know. I think I'd be fine with it -also- doing basic item optimization. Like it fixes things or it just improves it moderately in a simple, easily understood way. All mundane stuff at that point.
04:02:37 Devastator: like you put a bit of soul in a knife and bam, you could have a sword.
04:02:45 Egan: it should clone the power with "you" being the item, so a berserker bat does more damage the more broken it is ;D
04:02:55 Devastator: That's another fun idea.
04:03:11 syv: Sure, I'd let you mess with items somewhat, but it wouldn't really be the use of the power.
04:03:23 syv: I could see something like that yeah,
Egan.
04:03:46 syv: Enchant an item with TM, TM can be used on the item rather than the original totem.
04:03:53 Egan: give a frag grenade teleport and regen >:D
04:04:38 syv: That's basically the same as giving an item Outburst. Except more expensive, I think.
04:04:44 Egan: no, clearly the enchanted item gets a totem of its own which it can manipulate
04:04:45 Devastator: Yeah, that sounds like fun, although the price for each regen would be too much.
04:04:49 Devastator: effigy would be cheaper.
04:05:09 syv: I wouldn't want to make it consistently target the item rather than the user, because then you can't really crystallize Semblance and such powers
04:05:42 syv: Though perhaps that would work as a way to keep people from abusing Semblance's power. :P
04:07:09 Devastator: can't semblance explosives?
04:08:28 syv: IIRC Semblance 3 can make explosives, sure.
04:08:40 syv: That's really something you'd want mimicry for
04:08:42 Egan: I give this 8-ball telepathy so that it can scream obnoxiously at anyone awakened within range
04:08:52 syv: You can't give items passives
04:09:13 syv: Or if you can I'd need to standardize an activation cost
04:10:37 Egan: why not? surely we want to be able to give the baseball bat gluttony which it's physically unable to fulfil
04:11:25 syv: I don't have the final version of Crystallize decided, but it'll probably give the Love -1 soul stage cap for each power cloned.
04:11:48 Egan: mm, don't give the frag grenade regeneration, give it painless 3
04:12:10 Egan: so that being completely destroyed won't impede its function and it can thus simply explode every gametic
04:12:26 syv: Giving passives to others (outside determination) at the cost of less soul cap doesn't seem too problematic.
04:12:55 Devastator: "I want to eat baseballs"
04:13:04 syv: You can dispel items to return the soul stage though, so this CAN be cheesed somewhat... but it has a casting cost on top of the soul stage investment.
04:14:46 Egan: simply zerosum yourself by wearing a brooch of determination
04:15:23 syv: I think I'd just let Det have the special case of costing extra soul stages to compensate.
04:16:14 syv: Give your partner +3 stages and yourself -3 stages. Actually a kinda meta idea, memento + empathy lets you share soul, and grief seeds are full restores.
04:16:55 syv: It's not any more OP than just giving memento to an innocent anyways
04:17:42 syv: (This kinda thing is also why I've always considered empathy VERY strong, btw; it can pretty easily be used to cheese grief seeds)
04:17:58 Egan: give determination to the ward
04:18:46 Egan: it's strong if you have reason, motivation, and the knowledge to cheese grief seeds
04:18:59 syv: wow you figured out the worst possible use of this power
04:19:14 syv: triple its normal penalty AND negate all benefits
04:19:43 Egan: but shell be really determined
04:20:41 syv: Honestly wards already are
04:21:08 syv: "Go into this magical maze full of hyper-lethal monsters without any powers or weapons!"
04:21:38 Egan: eh, she just needs an american 180
04:21:47 syv: Crystallize items cast from the Love's soul pool, not the user.
04:22:12 Egan: cool, then just kill the love
04:22:21 syv: So you can crystallize the creative's Semblance power, hand it to the team's brave, and then instantly soul-out when she tries to use it to turn into a mech.
04:22:31 syv: That feels super on-brand for Love
04:22:54 syv: And I like how it gives a very natural balancing mechanic to a really strong power.
04:23:46 syv: "Okay, yes, giving you this item would be a big buff for you, but I'm *ALSO* putting a noose around my neck and trusting you not to yank it"
04:26:14 Devastator: It's also inefficient.
04:26:29 Devastator: stacking CC and 'turn into mech' is somewhat redundant!
04:26:39 Devastator: the buffs aren't multipliers, they're additive.
04:26:55 syv: Expertise gained from turning into a wolf
04:27:15 syv: Really the innocent is the one that wants to be a mech
04:27:42 Devastator: to be fair, Alida doesn't know that in-character.
04:28:00 Devastator: it does combo properly with other powers, like the one that mirrors wounds.
04:29:21 Egan: gods, is SMAK actually gonna happen?
04:29:26 Devastator: it might, actually.
04:29:37 Egan: I barely remember what my character was
04:29:50 Devastator: there hasn't been as much woof as expected? ;-p
04:30:03 syv: I might not be able to resume this mission, given the very long hiatus.
04:33:04 Devastator: A love could do work turning into a combining mecha.
04:34:01 Devastator: 'you're touching everyone'
04:36:30 syv: Halo MCC is on sale for 75% off right now.
04:36:39 syv: Costs 9.99 for the first six mainline Halo games
04:36:47 syv: With multiplayer included.
04:37:27 syv: Would either of you be interested in that? I got it for myself because Halo was my childhood, and I wanted to play co-op with Saki.
04:38:59 syv: Also "all the good Halo games, for the price of Lethal Company" is kinda an insanely good deal.
04:39:12 syv: All the good Halo games + Halo 4, I mean
04:39:14 Egan: oh yeah, I'd like to play the first four at some point
04:39:55 Egan: I'd like to play all of them :p
04:40:26 Egan: but apparently 4 and 5 are mediochre/terrible
04:41:38 syv: Reach is the best, with 1/2/3 all being decent and sorta tradeoffs IMO?
04:42:04 syv: They get increasingly more polished but with increasingly less personality, I guess.
04:42:20 Devastator: I'm too old for Halo to be my childhood but I did play a bunch of Halo 1 multiplayer.
04:42:22 syv: And ODST is a bit more of its own feel that just sorta stands apart.
04:42:31 Devastator: and I wouldn't mind introducing you to the glory that was the pistol.
04:42:49 syv: I played so much H1 with my dad as a kid
04:43:09 Egan: I played a bit of halo 1 multiplayer on school PCs
04:43:11 syv: I vaugely remember watching him play when I was about seven or so, peeking over his shoulder as he did the flood levels.
04:43:17 Egan: because we had that for some reason
04:44:17 Egan: ...possibly because the computer science teacher was nostalgic for it, too
04:45:45 syv: Well I bought it for everyone now
04:46:05 syv:
MJ too because I know he adored Reach
04:46:26 syv: And if we end up playing together I don't want to say he has to pay 40 to join us
04:47:06 Egan: which ones have co-op? all of them?
04:47:22 syv: But I think H1 and H2 only have 2 player campaign co-op
04:48:32 Egan: also, there's cursed halo
04:49:13 syv: I think it's even on the workshop
04:49:19 syv: So it should be trivial to install
04:52:22 syv: I wonder why they included Halo 4
04:52:46 syv: The obvious reason they're offering the bundle is so people go "Oh, I want to play the rest of the series now! These games are great!"
04:53:02 Egan: I guess if they left it out they'd be admitting that it's dog shit and bungee were what made halo good?
04:53:04 syv: But H4 is the exact place where you realize "ah, so Halo's not good anymore"
04:53:46 syv: Nah they leave it out so that people expect H4/5/6 to also be good and buy then all after finishing the bundle.
04:54:43 Egan: nah, I feel like it's kinda a company ego thing
04:55:04 Egan: they put it in to affirm to themselves that it's a worthy part of the series
04:57:55 Devastator: I'm also exaggerating the pistol.. but I really did like halo 1 multi more than the follow-up games.
04:58:43 Egan: even if it doesn't actually do anything past two feet
04:59:18 Devastator: ..for me it was halo 2 that made me realize 'halo's not good anymore'. Like the complete opposite of everyone else who is alive.
05:00:35 Egan: because I've heard it has a good soundtrack
05:00:47 syv: I was too young to judge H2 well
05:01:06 syv: H3 was a little bit of a disappointment, but H1 is a bit jank.
05:01:33 syv: ODST I'm unsure, I didn't like it as much when young because it was very confusing
05:01:49 Devastator: I suspect 'jank' means 'It had much less auto-aim.' ;-p
05:02:02 Devastator: and there are jokes about the pistol, but weapons as a whole were more brutal.
05:03:16 syv: Quite possibly, I played it exclusively on console.
05:03:52 syv: It's also just got the xbox-era colliders and models and everything.
05:04:13 syv: I'm usually not a graphics snob but it *definitely* was a change going from Reach and such
05:04:41 Egan: I like how halo 1 looks ^-^
05:05:10 syv: I think this bundle has the remaster, but IIRC there's a toggle to go between remaster and OG appearance
05:07:57 Devastator: Didn't they mess with the gameplay a bit in the remaster, too?
05:23:18 syv: I'd expect they kept it minimal, though I could see it HAVING to be changed some because they'd have to update the engine to run on modern computers well.
05:26:21 syv:
Egan,
Devastator. Do you want to play anything with Saki and I, right now?
05:28:00 Egan: no thanks, I'm pretending that chatting online is a substitute for sleep
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05:32:10 Devastator: lemme finish this battle first, though.
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22:51:58 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
22:51:58 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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