00:03:16 Devastator: yeah, maybe. That's gonna put me off getting it.
00:06:02 Devastator: Also I see sword catgirls. ;-p
00:07:13 Devastator: that's fine, really.
00:09:31 Egan: I figure that vests and sabers helps them look *official*
00:09:49 Egan: and vests are expensive so I cheap out on weapons a little :v
00:10:12 Egan: they should be able to carry them along with anything else we give them, so it's a fine backup weapon
00:11:11 Devastator: It's fine, really. You can give the survivors guns.
00:11:16 Devastator: it isn't like you're on Pandora.
00:12:38 Egan: not sure on personal actions, if you have an idea that's fine
00:14:16 Egan: hmm, maybe I shouldn't have put a cop on the patrol team, they might spread a coplike culture to our cops and get them into fights
00:15:01 Devastator: At this point? I'm not worried.
00:15:10 Devastator: can do a personal action when we decide what Foxy is going to do.
00:15:41 Devastator: We don't have Handsome Jack, for example.
00:17:29 Egan: I didn't play those games
00:19:47 Devastator: eh, just loads of strange weapons and crazy powers.
00:20:05 Devastator: might be fun to pursue some ridiculous borderlands-inspired power goal or something. ;-p
00:20:34 Devastator: it's like 'what if apeture science science actually worked?'
00:20:48 Egan: well,
sy probably won't allow for cartoony guns. maybe cursed but possible guns though
00:21:03 Egan: and I wrote a magic system for this setting >.>
00:22:10 Devastator: well, clearly we need to do something imaginative to get power if we go that way.
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03:47:08 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
03:47:08 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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04:23:53 Devastator: and.. updated Extinction.
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04:28:28 syv: Checking logs, DD2 has embedded DLC costs?
04:28:41 syv: I bet the pirated version WON'T fix these
04:29:12 syv: If saves are online and you have to pay to delete them, it's a live service game, and live service games are much harder to crack.
04:30:03 syv: That's the point where it's not a scene group merely removing protections from a new game every other week, it's some dedicated fans specifically building a server architecture to communicate with the modified game.
04:30:32 Devastator: Apparently. That's really shitty, though.
04:30:48 Devastator: It's incredibly shitty.
04:31:16 syv: Considering I'm hearing about it, I expect them to get a lot of shit about it.
04:32:07 syv: "hmm, maybe I shouldn't have put a cop on the patrol team, they might spread a coplike culture to our cops and get them into fights"
04:32:29 syv: In this game cop training is actually good for being cops :v
04:33:16 Devastator: It's not so bad when you have like four locals in a place with no cops.
04:33:58 syv: It's my belief that American cops are both poorly trained and *mis*trained. In this game, it means they're trained to effectively deescalate and such. It doesn't even have any correlation to violence skills.
04:34:14 syv: But yes, the locals in general are way less likely to cause problems.
04:34:39 Devastator: It is possible to clean them up.
04:35:05 Devastator: And it has happened. There's cities where the cops have gotten way better. And other cities where they've slid.
04:35:25 syv: It's not like every police station in the country is awful
04:36:46 Devastator: did I end up telling you the thing I found out about the Albequerque PD recently?
04:37:56 Devastator: Before 2020, they would only track murders for half the year, cutting it off June 23rd, and calling the Jan 1st -> June 23rd total the 'total for the year'.
04:38:09 Devastator: in 2020, they want to make the numbers higher, so they counted the entire year.
04:38:31 Devastator: since then they've been trying to increase the catchment zone that counts as 'murders in Albequerque' to try and keep the numbers high.
04:39:44 Devastator: they did come right out and admit they were gaming their numbers in public a few times, but I didn't find that bit out until I investigated.
04:40:52 Devastator: but yeah, the old police chief there is really quite bad.
04:43:08 Devastator: looks like they changed their website.
04:45:28 syv: The filename does say it refers to the yearly totals, but the actual document says YTD and doesn't say anything about it being for the whole year. Just... stops in June
04:46:09 Devastator: yeah, these are different documents too.
04:46:19 Devastator: I think they maybe fixed their site.
04:46:48 Devastator: That's good. Maybe they got a new police chief, or maybe someone properly smacked them down.
04:47:48 syv: ...Actually the 2018 link goes to a pdf for 2022.
04:49:24 syv: Then their 2019 link goes to a pdf with a 2022 filename, which has 2019 in the header, and 2021 in the body.
04:50:17 syv: This is a case where I'll support defunding the police because these people ABSOLUTELY need to be replaced by anyone who can make and publish propee records
04:53:29 Devastator: That does sound like some of the stuff I found, then.
04:55:49 syv: I'm not seeing any cutoff at June 23rd
04:56:11 syv: The "2018" file is an in-progress 2022 report that cuts off at June 10th
04:56:17 syv: And the actual 2022 file is complete
04:56:54 syv: It looks more like simple incompetence uploading the wrong file to the 2018 spot... although yes, that's a great excuse for a deliberate coverup.
04:57:34 syv: A part of me is tempted to call them to point out the error, but I don't really feel obliged to be helpful to them.
04:58:14 Devastator: I did used the fucked up nature of it to win an argument on the internet.
04:59:05 Devastator: 'no, the city-linked crime reduction operation done by Biden doesn't mean anything.'
04:59:15 Devastator: 'well, can we look at some of the cities then?'
04:59:31 Devastator: 'sure, albequerque is on the list, and here's their stats from the last year.'
04:59:42 Devastator: 'the PD gives a different number than that. Who'se stats are those?'
05:00:06 Devastator: 'it's this right-wing 'reporter' collating three police departments into one, here's her info.'
05:00:34 Devastator: 'well, they have to collate three PDs into one to cover all the area around the city.'
05:00:49 Devastator: 'and she's comparing it to just the APD's numbers from the previous year?'
05:00:58 Devastator: '...yes. But you can see it going up from the year before that.'
05:01:07 Devastator: (I find the fucked up nature of their info, and publish it.)
05:02:48 Devastator: I think I also showed how they reported half-year data as full year data to the FBI, fwiw.
05:17:06 syv: So many pictures in the second thread of cats that look like they're dead
05:17:27 syv: Saki sent me a picture of Orang a couple days ago, which IMMDIATELY hit my brain as "he
05:17:54 syv: But no. He just is terrible at cleaning himself, likes laying on his back, and has terrible sleeping posture.
05:23:12 Devastator: add sticking tongue out for maximum deadness.
06:12:05 Egan: if by went to sleep you mean started playing batman, then yes
06:14:16 Devastator: na na na na na na Batman!
06:15:36 syv: You should have played with us ;-;
06:19:20 Egan: huh? what were you playing?
06:24:59 Devastator: we played a bunch of Valheim yesterday.
06:28:00 syv: We weren't playing anything now, but we COULD have played together
06:28:09 syv: But nah if you were having fun you had fun
06:28:36 Egan: I prefer to spend MOST of my gaming time alone, really
06:30:50 Egan: which seems like a steal at 6 bucks
06:38:03 Devastator: so you play as Travis Touchdown?
06:38:18 Egan: you play as a furry waifu
06:39:22 syv: I like how the protagonist appears to wield a longsword like a tonfa.
06:39:47 Egan: it seems possible to go fast but it's not enforced
06:40:02 Devastator: Yeah, it looks like NMH with a waifu protag.
06:40:05 Egan: outside of a few optional touch all the gems trials
06:40:44 Egan:
dev, do you just reference the most unrelated thing you can think of to mess with me? :p
06:40:53 Egan: is it because the sword is glowing...?
06:40:56 syv: Half the reviews seem quite thirsty
06:41:17 Devastator: It looks like a semi-open world fighting game.
06:41:25 Devastator: ..which is giving me NMH flashbacks.
06:41:30 Egan: fighting is really not the emphasis
06:41:40 Egan: don't look to it for fighting, it's more a platformer
06:41:55 Egan: and as I recall NMH was nearly all fighting
06:42:05 Devastator: fighting and platforming, but yeah.
06:42:10 Devastator: it's about a movement system.
06:42:39 syv: Yeah, No More Heroes looks about as unrelated as possible
06:43:07 Egan: I don't remember seeing ANY platforming in NMH
06:43:19 Devastator: but yeah, the glowing sword is also a reminder.
06:43:23 Egan: just running between hallways beating up mooks and then wacky boss
06:43:59 syv: NMH also doesn't seem to have the protagonist using his sword as a tonfa
06:45:11 Egan: and travis is a weirdo weeb murderer-for hire and sybil is... well there's not much story actually
06:45:29 Devastator: 'catgirl waifu' isn't out of place in the NMH verse.
06:45:34 Egan: she seems to have traveled into a dream in order to end it
06:46:16 Devastator: but okay, I'll stop mentioning NMH.
06:48:36 syv: Damn I'd be interested in the jumpy waifu game but no story does dim my interest
06:50:01 Egan: there are NPCs you can talk to but they don't tell you much
06:50:18 Egan: it was originally a game jam game if that's imformative about the amount of setup
06:50:47 Egan: it's a larger amount of vibes and un-handheld exploration
06:50:58 Devastator: ahh, so highly time-limited.
06:51:21 Egan: it has been worked on since, including apparently the addition of MORE story than before?
06:51:24 Devastator: yeah, that does indicate that ignoring the story can be important.
06:51:43 Egan: I haven't finished it but I have been through a lot of areas and picked up a lot of upgrades
06:51:54 Egan: it could start monologing at me at the final boss or something
06:54:43 syv: It's too much to hope for SotC storytelling?
07:00:13 syv: I did a whoops in peacekeepers
07:00:14 Egan: you can, however, do a bunch of jumps and get metroidvania upgrade to jump gooder and look at the PC's ass the whole tiem
07:00:28 syv: Said you have 200-63=157 free funds
07:00:47 syv: Initially upkeep was going to be lower but I decided the locals should get better pay :P
07:01:52 Egan: well maybe I can afford that
07:02:12 syv: Just need to shoot someone if you want to do a lot of training
07:02:19 Egan: at first I was buying a shrubmaster for training with but then I concluded that I could NOT afford that
07:02:34 syv: God I love that shotgun's name
07:02:45 Egan: at least not while buying four vests, which seemed expedient
07:03:08 syv: You seem to have unestimated vest peice too
07:04:10 syv: You just run into problems if you miss upkeep
07:07:27 Egan: I'm sure that the coneqeunces of failing to pay my armed mercenaries will be fine and managable
07:14:54 Devastator: one of the great lessons of history.
07:14:57 Devastator: always pay your mercenaries.
07:16:35 Egan: applies more to an employer than to a boss, but both should pay some attention to that
07:16:54 syv: Luckily your conscripts are paid for regardless
07:17:08 GameServ:
syv rolled 1d12: 9 <Total: 9>
07:17:15 syv:
Dev, how good/bad is that?
07:23:11 Egan: jeez, maybe we should see if we can mod the chitterchok into a carbine?
07:24:17 syv: You might really want a armorer for that thougg
07:24:43 Egan: yeah, that's what I would look into
07:24:50 syv: Also I only now decided how much training costs :P
07:25:03 Devastator: also, still gotta find something to do with personal actions.
07:25:24 syv: "find armorer" would count
07:25:31 Devastator: Maybe we should build a giant mecha.
07:26:42 syv: Mecha canonically exist in this setting
07:26:47 syv: In lieu of armored vehicles
07:26:55 syv: Do not question the logic of this.
07:27:03 Devastator: okay, then we need to build a magical tank instead.
07:27:30 Devastator: or take the leng k-com method and make giant mutant wasps.
07:30:21 Devastator: after all, if there are supervillains there's need for our police.
07:31:51 syv: Mechs are standard military equipment!
07:32:02 syv: If you get rep with the Grimalians you can buy them
07:32:08 Devastator: so we gotta do something wrong! Tanks!
07:32:39 syv: Cue nobody understanding wtf tracks are
07:33:28 syv: "but legs can step on you?"
07:33:37 syv: "Obviously that's superior"
07:33:45 Devastator: I'm sloped! Your legs just slide right off!
07:34:20 Devastator: but yeah, I kinda do want to introduce the tank now.
07:34:26 Devastator: magic tank if there is magic.
07:34:34 Egan: I'm pretty sure they know what tracks are
07:35:03 syv: It's just not well understood yet
07:35:07 Devastator: okay, magic tank then.
07:35:17 Egan: you can summon giant murder wasps, but not on purpose
07:35:25 syv: Lure the grimalians into nuking your city and you might spontaneously get wizards
07:56:47 Devastator: so we need to nuke the tank so it becomes a wizard?
08:01:46 Devastator: sounds like a plan.
08:01:53 Devastator: a stupid plan, but a plan nonetheless.
08:01:59 Devastator: (I'll send in my suggestions tomorrow.)
08:22:58 Egan: think it's about bed time for me
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