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00:35:52 MJ: Yeah, I just need a break from studying
00:37:03 Egan: ANOTHER game I've been following just came out o.o
00:37:55 Devastator: That the one I've been seeing ads for?
00:38:05 Devastator: I'm not uninterested, but I have an allergy to anything I see advertising for.
00:38:33 Egan: I barely see ads and only for AAA drek
00:38:42 MJ: This seems like a pretty straightforward game
00:39:51 Devastator: Reddit, IIRC, some time ago.
00:42:06 Egan: game doesn't have a publisher listed so ads would be surprising to me
00:42:42 Egan: self published by a
dev with this and one other VN
00:43:11 MJ: Huh, you can give yourself hypertension by eating too much licorice
00:43:45 Devastator: That's more worrying, then.
00:43:53 Devastator: mind you, some reddit ads aren't that expensive.
00:43:58 Devastator: also dammit, I love licorice.
00:44:05 Devastator: is it red licorice or black licorice?
00:44:36 MJ: The picture was black licorice. Whichever one contains glycyrrhentinic acid
00:44:40 Egan: not too easy to find so I shouldn't be in danger unless I buy a REALLY big bag :p
00:44:57 MJ: But you need to eat like a lot of it
00:46:08 Devastator: yeah, as expected. Most of those sorts of things are like 'if your diet is composed entirely of the substance, you might possibly have a problem.'
00:47:32 MJ: Yeah, also I think it's mostly in black liquorice
00:48:30 MJ: Which is good for me, because I love red liqourice, but don't particuarly like black liqourice
00:48:35 Devastator: Not a fan of that, but every once in a while I want a piece. Then I taste it and remember why I don't buy it.
00:48:43 Devastator: I've heard you either like it or not.
00:49:15 Devastator: what update is that from,
Egan?
00:49:20 Devastator: I'd like to see the context.
00:50:58 Egan: don't really like red licorice, love black
00:51:18 Devastator: Ahh yes, I remember now. Thanks!
00:51:45 MJ:
Egan you are the only person I've met who's said that. I'm impressed by your taste
00:51:57 MJ: But yeah kidney stones suck
00:52:11 MJ: I'm actually doing renal stuff for this test
00:55:03 Egan: welp, should I spend more money on steam games?
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01:37:35 MJ: Honestly parliment just being literal cancer makes a weird amount of sense in awful hospital
02:08:37 MJ: Alright, I will see you gentlemen later. Gotta go back to studying, but after this test I have an actual break
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02:46:39 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
02:46:39 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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07:35:47 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
07:35:47 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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08:58:33 syv: If it's not too late for you I could do something. I agreed to play with Saki later, but she's doing homework right now.
08:58:40 syv: I don't have obligations until sunup
08:59:29 Devastator: but I could watch some drod if you had that in mind. I slept a bunch of hours earlier.
08:59:52 syv: I haven't bought it, but could. Sure, I'll try and knock out a couple levels.
09:04:32 syv: So, skip the main/first game, Epic Blunder, and play the first "DLC", Dugan's Hold?
09:05:38 Devastator: You're smart enough to not need a full-game tutorial.
09:07:16 syv: Invited you to watch on steam
09:07:24 syv: I dunno how well that'll work
09:08:09 Devastator: It gave me a popup.
09:09:30 Devastator: don't know if there's voice.
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09:09:33 Devastator: but that's Dugan's.
09:09:48 Devastator: There are some mouse controls too.
09:09:55 Devastator: if you click on an orb it shows what it does.
09:11:27 Devastator: roaches try to approach vertically over horizontally.
09:11:34 Devastator: you can reset a room if you hit R.
09:11:41 Devastator: want me to tell you? It's not that hard.
09:12:13 Devastator: you can go back in time here.
09:12:59 Devastator: It relies on a basic rule of DROD.
09:13:02 Devastator: beethro always moves first.
09:13:13 Devastator: so if you move your sword onto a monster, it dies before it can move.
09:13:46 Devastator: you can do it facing due east.
09:13:56 Devastator: face east before hitting the orb.
09:14:36 Devastator: what way can you move that stabs the roach?
09:14:50 Devastator: easier than that. Just walk west.
09:15:02 Devastator: you can move in 8 directions.
09:15:36 Devastator: there are controls for that.
09:15:48 Devastator: but yes, you need to be able to move in all 8 directions.
09:16:40 Devastator: Yeah. It's called 'backstabbing.' There's a room later on that makes it mandatory.
09:17:58 Devastator: basically any direction that doesn't move against the arrow is fine.
09:18:36 Devastator: Don't worry about those.
09:18:40 Devastator: they're for the later games.
09:19:43 Devastator: I think those are supposed to be rocks.
09:20:24 Devastator: It's aight. We all get et by roaches.
09:20:41 Devastator: I have no idea how many times I've died. Thousands, prolly.
09:21:18 Devastator: right-clicking tells you what an object is.
09:21:43 Devastator: 'restore' takes you back to the last checpoint you've stepped on.
09:22:49 Devastator: green door moves forward.
09:23:03 Devastator: It comes with time.
09:25:09 Devastator: they're the basic enemy.
09:26:13 Devastator: That's a classic challenge.
09:26:42 Devastator: yeah, the alcove is a two-wide gap. You can defend any two-wide gap against any number of rooms.
09:27:02 Devastator: Don't bother about this one. It's not that hard but it's very unnecessary.
09:27:35 Devastator: some rooms are dead ends.
09:27:40 Devastator: your job is to clear all the rooms.
09:28:01 Devastator: minimap is to the lower left. There are some splits and dead ends.
09:28:18 Devastator: that dead-end orb is how you go back.
09:28:51 Devastator: That click function was added in JtRH, and the main reason to not play architect's edition.
09:29:24 Devastator: Yup. There's a few rooms that are only clearable from certain directions, or aren't clearable upon first entry. It's not common.
09:29:38 Devastator: Yeah, there's a message that pops up when you enter the first room after clearing the rest. Go back to that blue door.
09:29:45 Devastator: blue door is now down.
09:30:37 Devastator: but yes, they're pits.
09:30:48 Devastator: Beethro's "Smitemaster Reflexes" don't let him fall in pits.
09:31:06 Devastator: most levels just have the stairs after the blue door. There are rare exceptions, though, with an end-of-level room.
09:31:37 Devastator: Just 'stuff' basically.
09:32:33 Devastator: Yup. Roachsmiting 101 this level.
09:33:16 Devastator: The real secret is we're all unable to handle the sword.
09:33:26 Devastator: there are some true smitemasters out there who are far better than myself.
09:33:44 Devastator: restart when you enter defaults to how you enter the room.
09:34:05 Devastator: they move in the opposite directions to roaches.
09:34:12 Devastator: they try to run away.
09:36:21 Devastator: stand one step further from the wall. Then you can kill one every turn by sword swinging.
09:37:21 Devastator: actually, the roaches can't move onto the arrows from the wrong direction, so you're perfectly safe on that wall. ;-p
09:37:41 Devastator: it's fine, there's other levels that show you that.
09:37:56 Devastator: but a lot of the early ones have lucky accidents like that where things can happen.
09:39:56 Devastator: yeah, it takes a while to get that into your head.
09:40:09 Devastator: eventually you do though and it just becomes totally automatic.
09:41:18 Devastator: no, if a door closes on anything it can step off, onto a free space.
09:41:38 Devastator: All of level 9 is based around puzzles like that.
09:42:10 Devastator: This one's tricky enough you dont' want to try that.
09:42:26 Devastator: although it isn't nearly as bad as it looks.
09:44:40 Devastator: hit the checkpoint!
09:46:13 Devastator: oh, it would have been easier to stab those last two roaches from the topside than the bottomside.
09:46:59 Devastator: You can do that from any of the eight directions, actually.
09:47:05 Devastator: and facing left might be one of the hardest.
09:47:42 Devastator: you stab it, it goes away.
09:47:49 Devastator: it's also how they hide secret rooms.
09:49:47 Devastator: This is actuaually why I wanted you to start with Dugan's.
09:50:12 Devastator: Gunthro doesn't assign very many levels to learnign how to kill basic roaches.
09:50:18 Devastator: it takes time to learn how beethro moves.
09:50:45 Devastator: and puzzles in the style of 'kill all the roaches' become very rare in modern holds.
09:51:23 Devastator: they're also cowardly.
09:51:29 Devastator: and they move in really, really strange ways.
09:51:36 Devastator: Nobody knows how wraithwings work.
09:52:14 Devastator: Yeah, you've definately got a knack for this.
09:52:30 Devastator: but basically they run away when they're alone, trying to stay 4 moves away from you.
09:53:08 Devastator: If there are more than one of them around, they can try to attack.
09:55:16 Devastator: Oh, you can press the key in the middle of your commands to pass turns. She'll move up once you're south of where she is. Or try.
09:56:45 Devastator: It's possible. You need her to be blocked by her own roaches.
09:57:14 Devastator: stay on the same level as her and wait two sets of spawns. They'll try to run left and down and she'll try to run up and right, and get blocked. But it's not important.
09:58:39 Devastator: They're stuck on force arrows.
09:58:46 Devastator: it's a pretty common technique.
10:00:07 Devastator: Yeah, you do have a talent for this. You're learning pretty quickly.
10:04:49 Devastator: That wasn't the best timing, yes.
10:05:50 Devastator: A bit, yeah. There's only just enough time.
10:06:24 Devastator: You only wasted one move. ;-p
10:07:41 Devastator: You are doing quite well.
10:11:20 Devastator: solved the puzzle but forgot the roach-slaying! ;-p
10:12:54 Devastator: no, it's to the right along the big corridor.
10:13:38 Devastator: Nah, I'm not tired.
10:13:57 Devastator: Just lighting effects.
10:15:11 Devastator: you can only enter the room from the other direction.
10:21:48 Devastator: you didn't kick me out.
10:22:07 Devastator: just forces you to backstab.
10:22:52 Devastator: with few enough roaches that there aren't too many moves.
10:23:24 Devastator: you might recognize that puzzle.
10:24:07 Devastator: oh, this one's a bit tricky.
10:24:52 Devastator: you can hit 'r' again to reset a room if you hit a bad checkpoint. Or in a room with multiple checkpoints, use the menu restore function to go back to them.
10:26:20 Devastator: no, but normal roaches normally attack.
10:28:17 Devastator: You did that, yeah.
10:28:25 Devastator: they move like roaches.. after they see you.
10:31:49 Devastator: it can include the one that kills you.
10:34:35 Devastator: in general, when dealing with groups, you want your sword diagonally.
10:39:31 Devastator: no reason to apologize, you aren't speedrunning here.
10:39:38 Devastator: some of those people are crazy.
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10:42:04 Devastator: Stay in a space that lets you kill a roach every move.
10:42:21 Devastator: it helps clear out masses a lot quicker.
10:43:31 Devastator: it's fine. There are a thousand ways to die to roaches.
10:43:36 Devastator: and you'll find all of them.
10:43:50 Devastator: top right is a bit easier.
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10:44:39 Devastator: stand in that black space in the very corner.
10:46:10 Devastator: 2N has a really hard challenge.
10:46:31 Devastator: yes, ubt you need that potion.
10:46:59 Devastator: only roaches within the zone can see you.
10:48:23 Devastator: I don't know how hard this one is, I've never done it.
10:48:46 Devastator: They added a lot in the steam version. Some were well known challenges in the community.
10:50:07 Devastator: mmm, you might be able to park that guy in the middle.
10:50:52 Devastator: nah, against the 3 vertical 2 horizontal block west of the entrance.
10:51:05 Devastator: if you're 2 moves ahead of him you can park him because he'll try to move up.
10:51:26 Devastator: then you can move down through the middle gap.
10:51:42 Devastator: but yeah, hmm, those are in the way. Hmm.
10:51:59 Devastator: can you move him up after that, so he hits that trap.
10:52:05 Devastator: nah, that won't do it.
10:52:11 Devastator: lemme fire up that room.
10:56:14 Devastator: the key is to make sure the center roach moves up every time it has a chance.
10:56:24 Devastator: park the upper roaches just like you have there.
10:56:47 Devastator: yeah, you missed it right there.
10:57:19 Devastator: sword doesn't matter. Just make sure the roach always moves up-right whenever it has a chance.
10:57:43 Devastator: if you go up, it'll go up too.
10:58:57 Devastator: park those the same way.
11:00:49 Devastator: should be good now.
11:00:57 Devastator: sword facing right, beat it to the wall and bump.
11:01:39 Devastator: yup. Secret room there. Kill the roaches.
11:01:59 Devastator: also, there are no save points in this room in AE, and the roach spawn order
11:02:03 Devastator: crumbly wall there.
11:02:10 Devastator: the roach order is more annoying.
11:04:23 Devastator: fun to see someone new play it.
11:05:41 sy: Interesting movement systwm
11:06:35 Devastator: Don't try the bonus in the next room.
11:06:38 Devastator: and yeah, it's interesting.
11:06:43 Devastator: the next room bonus is really hard.
11:08:10 Devastator: but yeah, you're a man with a sword.
11:08:13 Devastator: who always moves first.
11:08:16 Devastator: and somehow that's enough.
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11:11:26 syv: I want to meet other swordsmen
11:11:34 Devastator: Doesn't happen until game 3.
11:11:51 Devastator: game 3 features a boss who moves just like Beethro.
11:12:04 Devastator: who is supposed to have perfect swordfighting AI.
11:12:17 Devastator: you can kill him in any room with a wall. But it's very close, nontheless.
11:12:35 Devastator: (It's a lot harder than it sounds.
11:12:51 syv: I recall reading about him, I thought he was impossible to kill without some kind of trap
11:12:56 Devastator: (Although I did figure out how to do it with a force arrow.)
11:13:06 Devastator: He's close, but not as perfect as they wanted.
11:13:24 Devastator: and in general, yeah. It's less helpful than you might think.
11:16:49 Devastator: There are also Stalwarts.
11:17:06 Devastator: who are like beethro but have nothign resembling perfect AI.
11:17:22 Devastator: also, that was game 2.
11:17:29 Devastator: with the boss, sorry.
11:19:04 Devastator: I'm just glad you like it. There are a lot more enemies and puzzle ideas.
11:19:08 Devastator: and then there's the living tar.
11:19:15 Devastator: which everyone hates.
11:21:11 Devastator: (but it's very much a necessary puzzle element.)
11:27:45 syv: I look forward to seeing it. Game is fun.
11:27:58 syv: Seems like a good stream game, too. Good to pick up for thirty minutes.
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