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01:30:09 MJ: Middle east doesn't seem like a ton better tbh
01:39:26 Devastator: I should read the DA Dirk Gently novels.
01:47:51 Devastator: and hello normal slime.
01:56:53 Egan: I have no idea how long it takes to stage up but it should be amusing to use staging down to try out different paths or something
01:57:55 Devastator: I did so a lot faster than usual.
01:58:04 Devastator: also GM doesn't like me, so you can get decently powerful stuff.
01:58:09 Devastator: not that long, really. Dozen turns?
01:58:41 Egan: powerful stuff? no I don't want that, they would eat me
01:58:54 Egan: I want lots of tasty stuff, not powerful stuff
02:09:39 Devastator: Could also go the way of Dustan's character.
02:09:46 Devastator: psionically eat stuff.
02:13:09 Devastator: you want to eat stuff, and simply wanting it makes it happen.
02:37:19 Devastator: oh, apparently I'm surrounded by oversized insects.
02:37:34 Devastator: and apparently Nak thinks you can 'surround' something that flies.
02:38:02 Devastator: that should, in all honesty, fly a lot better than them. No matter how much Nak doesn't want to give me benefits for putting levels in it.
02:43:33 Devastator: That said, it's amusing, though.
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10:12:04 Egan: alright, one of your casters is rolling with a 1d6+5 and the other with a 1d6+4
10:12:32 Egan: and the enemy's difficulty is 2+3+2 = 7
10:13:29 Egan: with you getting a -2 for not being the exact correct type (though heart type would really just be worse)
10:14:40 Devastator: I do have the exact correct type, though, they're casters, not the secondary one for -2.
10:15:08 Egan: carla can use Invoker though, which is countered by defender
10:15:42 Devastator: Invoker's countered by caster, isn't it?
10:15:45 Egan: you want to use caster mostly because she has the least hitpoints in Mind
10:15:56 Egan: and fallen maidens have a TON of hitpoints
10:16:54 Egan: invoker is countered by defender
10:20:03 Devastator: I don't see that anywhere in the rules.
10:21:22 Egan: check the post right above yours? :p
10:23:14 Devastator: No, it doesn't say that. It does suggest 'weak against caster'
10:23:17 Devastator: but it doesn't say that.
10:24:20 Egan: Like in Spectre Combat, some Combat Skills are more or less effective depending on the Combat Skills they are up against.
10:24:47 Devastator: that wasn't there when I saw the post.
10:26:15 Devastator: (Defenders, 3/5 for one, 2/5 for the other.)
10:26:25 Devastator: No, they're about as good as anyone else there.
10:26:32 Devastator: maybe someone else adds ARMS.
10:27:10 Egan: well her rolls are weak to defenders but you'd have to hit her 18 times
10:27:16 Egan: and just 6 times for the caster
10:27:25 Egan: so taking the -2 is worth it
10:27:32 Egan: but you will in fact be taking the -2
10:27:32 Devastator: who else is better?
10:28:39 Devastator: also, 4 hits to win for caster, not 6.
10:29:57 Devastator: diff is 4+ and 5+, vs 2+ and 3+.
10:31:37 Devastator: that's 5 pips for hits and 7 fails for the first one, and 9 hits and 3 fails for the second.
10:31:39 Egan: nope, you have to hit them from -2 up to 0, then all the way up to +4
10:32:53 Devastator: yeah, we aren't getting six hits with the former.
10:33:22 Devastator: The second might well actually get the 18.
10:33:31 Egan: also you still take damage even on a hit unless you roll 2 higher than the difficulty
10:33:37 Devastator: average is 18 hits and 6 fails with the second.
10:34:03 Devastator: and first is average of 8 fails.
10:34:35 Devastator: mmm, under that circumstances, all missions are gonna end up doomed.
10:34:45 Devastator: I'll go wipe my post, but they're all fails.
10:35:27 Devastator: It's almost impossible for any of them to roll two better than the difficulty, under any circumstances.
10:36:08 Devastator: and they generally need to survive at least one round to not get wounded out, due to having low hitpoints.
10:36:19 Devastator: Have to team up in a group of four or better.
10:43:51 Devastator: but yeah, I think maybe we have to do a four teamer to clear the second one. Maybe the third one is doable by a pair.
10:44:01 Devastator: all six might well lose to the first one.
10:44:07 Devastator: Just not enough hitpoitns.
10:45:46 Egan: more hitpoints doesn't even help with that one because there's no safe position
10:46:24 Egan: it has infinite AoE because everyone has to roll every time to not take damage, and unless they're really strong, they will take damage
10:54:42 Devastator: Yes it helps, it buys extra rounds.
10:55:29 Egan: throwing in more won't make the first one any tankier, just add extra chances to get hits in
10:57:52 Devastator: yes, which would make it take much less time.
10:57:59 Devastator: the odds are just too bad, though.
10:58:19 Devastator: if we had a third, it'd work.
11:29:33 syv: Nak does a lot of editing in ARMs
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