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02:46:41 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
02:46:41 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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03:02:59 Devastator: oh, just for coming here.
03:03:57 MJ: I'm just damn tired, I did like nothing this weekend and I'm still tired. Which is kind of bullshit.
03:08:23 MJ: Pretty grim, but it is about the holocaust so that's rather appropriate.
03:11:08 Devastator: So it's good? I haven't actually read it.
03:12:09 Devastator: hmm, have to get it then.
03:12:18 Devastator: that might explain why certain people want to ban it.
03:12:43 MJ: The art style works really well and the guys father is just a really interesting guy.
03:17:58 Devastator: Also, "A collection of unmitigated pedantry' remains an awesome blog.
03:19:19 MJ: Ah then I've definetly read it before. I think I read his Spartan series
03:21:10 Devastator: Where he describes them, quite convincingly, as the most useless people ever to reside upon this earth?
03:22:27 MJ: It turns out making your whole society built around slavery makes shitty soliders. See also, The Civil War
03:23:36 Devastator: shitty people, really.
04:07:27 MJ: Oh shit. I need to go to bed
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04:29:59 syv: But I stayed up for no reason at all
04:30:07 syv: Reading about depressing things
04:30:59 Egan: I'm staying up for no reason at all reading about my joy, AC6
04:34:41 syv: I don't pity you the comedown
04:50:46 Devastator: nope, can't join
syv.
04:52:14 syv: Everyone else just got a popup basically asking "join server? Warning, it's modded"
04:52:22 syv: It's better for you to host anyways
04:55:38 syv:
ER, are you sure you don't wanna join?
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07:41:00 syv: I think I'm going to redo the gun game's weapon stats.
07:41:53 syv: I knew the system had exponential gains the lower they got, but I didn't quite realize the degree. Going from 35 to 30 is similarly impactful as going from 100 to 80
07:42:24 Devastator: but yeah, that's a serious challenge.
07:42:39 syv: And there's nearly 200 numbers to rebalance
07:42:40 Devastator: as opposed to JRPGs that involve dragons?
07:42:51 syv: Extinction is a better insanity
07:42:58 syv: People outside yourself enjoy it. ;P
07:51:45 Devastator: this scene is another worrying one.
07:55:29 syv: I think I'll change the visible system mechanics to a letter grading system.
07:56:02 syv: SABCDF. Maybe no E. Add a +/- to each for granularity.
07:56:47 syv: Slightly more annoying to run by hand, but maybe easier with a script. Which it's intended to work with anyways.
07:57:00 syv: And it should make it a lot more intuitive to players
07:57:23 syv: K-Com was a fun game. Letters worked great there.
08:00:13 Devastator: You were the only player to see the letters.
08:00:19 Devastator: but yes, there were letters.
08:06:32 syv: I'm too sleepy to trust my thoughts.
08:07:30 syv: Do you think it's intuitive for each "rank" to be 10% better than the last? So F+ is 10% better than F. C is 33% better than D.
08:08:00 Devastator: Any percentage is fine, so long as the difference is noticeable.
08:08:56 syv: "Noticable" is so subjective. :(
08:10:29 syv: This is also a weird game. The worst weapon for a task is going to be degraded to having 6.6% of success per die rolled. IE, sniping with a pistol. Which... seems fair, since that's a little *easier* than rolling a natural 20, and you might get eight dice if you're quite good.
08:11:38 syv: In this case, "10% more chance of success" in theory is a 'noticable' boost... to something really, really hard.
08:18:20 syv: I... think this works out.
08:18:53 syv: It's daunting to commit to though, because it's quite a bit of work to implement.
08:34:57 syv: Actually need to have seven letter grades. One extra on top for heavily modified high end stuff, as a value sink.
08:36:31 syv:
Devastator, which of those do you think is better/more intuitive?
08:38:41 syv: I think the likeliest place for this to be bad is 10% changes between steps being too insignificant. Which... is fairly simple to fix. Round them all to the pure letters, so the next best step is always ~33% better. I'd be pained to do that, but it would mean the difference is always noticable.
08:46:23 syv: Huh. Really? I was worried people might expect a jump between F and D.
08:48:17 syv: I also worry that "S" makes it more clear how good the second highest letter is. It's ~480% as good as F.
08:48:52 syv: Though F *is* expected to be terrible
08:49:04 syv: So F being a fifth the quality of A might not be too strange
09:01:15 syv: DRG wiki says there is an unused overclock for the Subata pistol
09:01:30 syv: "+1 damare per shot on consecutive shots"
09:02:50 syv: So +15% damage if you empty a mag into one enemy.
09:03:12 syv: No, it's better, mag upgrades.
09:03:34 syv: But it's neat that they actually did almost have an overclock like what you were asking for.
09:03:39 syv: For that exact weapon no less
09:15:56 Devastator: Makes sense for that weapon.
09:16:07 Devastator: it's accurate enough to do that and low damage enough that a bonus wouldn't make it broken.
09:16:29 Devastator: It's partly because "X" is a bad letter grade to use.
09:42:52 Devastator: It could mean either 'the most' or 'the least', and stuff with that letter grade will function like stuff with other letter grades.
09:43:56 Devastator: It's fine if they're fundamentally different.
09:44:05 Devastator: but if they're the same but better, you can just use more normal letters.
10:53:15 syv: "You have upgraded your gun to S-"
10:53:30 syv: "Cool, what's the probability I actually hit someone with it?"
10:54:09 syv: "About 0.6297 raised to the power of X, X being your skill with it."
11:05:14 syv: Going from an S weapon to an S+ weapon changes the result against an unarmored and alone enemy... 4/2/0.3% of the time, at skill level 2/5/10.
11:05:55 syv: That's... more relevant than I expected.
11:07:04 syv: Ah, it's exponential. Duh. F- to F changes the result 1.3% of the time at 2 skill.
11:09:27 syv: That's going from 12.9% chance of killing to 14.2%.
11:10:05 syv: ...Literally just 10% more kills. Working as intended, I guess.
11:12:41 syv: "raised to the power of X, then reduced by 1 and multiplied by -1"
11:49:31 Devastator: Going with S+ would work.
11:49:43 Devastator: and now you know why I gave vague answers to K-com queastions,
syv!
11:50:14 Devastator: and also I didn't want you to know how it all worked.
11:50:18 Devastator: since I know you're a numbers guy.
11:59:17 Devastator: you like systems and mechanics.
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21:33:20 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
21:33:20 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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