00:04:35 Devastator: It was odd. I could take the shitty sicko VN but not the one simulating a job I once had.
01:16:13 Devastator: few more days before I'm gone.
01:21:27 Devastator: (jetting out for a quick trip before I get back to working.)
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01:54:05 Devastator: haven't started yet.
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02:24:54 Egan: I added some fresh garlic to a tomato sauce which would have me believe it had garlic in it
02:25:30 MJ: I made an old timey cocktail that was quite good, but uhh strong enough I'm like actually buzzed.
02:26:33 MJ: Yes, the past knew how to drink clearly
02:27:11 Egan: well they hadn't invented the internet yet
02:27:36 Egan: in such conditions I would probably drink myself into the grave
02:32:01 Egan: (as is though I don't drink at all, hehe)
02:32:28 Egan: well, not as a rule, but I also don't seek it out at all
02:32:42 Egan: cocktails are tasty but so are normal drinks
02:32:49 MJ: I drink far far less then I used to.
02:33:07 Egan: and those not only hydrate you but are usually cheaper
02:35:01 MJ: I mean yeah, I just don't drink that often these days. I have some beer on weekends, but that's largely it these days, though tommorow I'm going to a metal show so we will see what happens then.
02:37:55 Egan: I am now watching a youtuber whose voice sounds like yours to my ear,
MJ
02:40:06 MJ: Huh, weird he does sound like a recorded version of my voice, not what it sounds like to me, but it sounds like when I hear my recorded voice.
02:40:47 Egan: I don't really remember what my voice sounds like out of my head
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02:46:45 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
02:46:45 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
02:48:56 MJ: as I recall it's somewhat higher pitched
02:51:48 Devastator: Yeah, same with my friends who used to drink a lot.
02:51:56 Devastator: they dont' drink as much these days.
02:52:29 MJ: It's generally unhealthy, to continue drinking as much in your mid twenties as you did in your early twenties.
02:52:56 Devastator: one of them found out he was born with one kidney.
02:53:23 Devastator: yeah. Never knew it as a kid, found it out by accident.
02:53:31 Devastator: I know two people like that, him and Dubs.
02:54:13 Egan: I have only three wisdom teeth, which is a little more positive~
02:54:27 MJ: Hmm, I don't think it's particuarly commmon. Which makes it weird you know two people with one. On the other hand it's not exactly something you notice unless it's symptomatic
02:56:16 MJ: Hmm, a quick google say 1 in 1,000 for uniltateral, of course bilateral agensis would not be compatiable with life
02:56:49 Egan: huh, that's not extremely rare
02:57:10 MJ: Yeah, that's a lot more common then I figured
02:57:18 MJ: But well that is part of why you have two
02:57:18 Devastator: "Agenesis". Ahh, one of those words that makes perfect sense.
02:57:56 Egan: I wonder what factors contribute to which organs come in pairs
02:58:43 Egan: does anything have two hearts? seems like that would be hard
02:59:00 Devastator: yeah, that doesn't sound workable.
02:59:09 Devastator: There are simpler creatures that have multiple 'hearts'
02:59:18 MJ: Well actually earthworms can have multiple hearts, but they don't have hearts like ours
02:59:21 Devastator: but they don't have the kind of circulatory systems vertebrates do.
02:59:32 Egan: separate brains would have a similar problem... but octopi kinda do that :p
02:59:38 MJ: For vertebrates nah, I can't think of anything like that
02:59:40 Devastator: Yeah, they have a whole row of them, don't they,
MJ?
03:00:09 MJ: But it's more just like a really strong artery IIRC
03:00:12 Devastator: they only have one tube, though.
03:00:16 Egan: most things that size don't need a heart at all I though
03:00:26 Devastator: earthworms can get pretty big.
03:00:52 MJ: It's not like a true heart, it's just like seomthing sort of like a heart
03:03:01 MJ: I don't really know what the limits are for there being two of organs, I figure it's mostly tied to the organs regenerative ability, like kidneys kind of suck at fixing themselves, while livers can actually do it pretty well, so maybe it's related to that. And the pancreas is just a terrible, so maybe it's just too much of a pansy to make copies of itself.
03:04:45 Devastator: it also seems to help if it isn't a bulb.
03:05:36 MJ: Yeah, Heart you essentially can't do multiple at least without having one just hanging out not doing anything and even then it would be really hard and really really engery expensive
03:08:03 Devastator: so what does the pancreas actually do?
03:09:34 MJ: okay so it does two things, and they are tottally unrelated to each other, it makes digesitve enzymes, which is the exocrine pancreas, and it regulates blood sugar by making insulin and glucagon.
03:10:02 MJ: It's also a tottal bitch and the exocrine parts of it will try to kill the endocrine parts of it if it sustains even the slightest damage
03:10:55 Egan: so they're just unrelated happening in the same spot? not like using the byproducts of one process on the other
03:11:10 Egan: starting to suspect that evolution isn't a good engineer
03:11:14 MJ: Tottaly unrelateed proccesses just happen to be in the same organ
03:11:30 Devastator: Dunken man with a spanner.
03:11:36 MJ: Which is actually quite rare in organs, typicall the functions are at least kind of related
03:11:56 Devastator: well you get lots of that shit on the cell level.
03:12:11 Devastator: "These things tell you how hot it is."
03:12:27 Devastator: "And are key at allowing in Material X."
03:12:48 Devastator: "So yes, if it's cold your cells can't take this up as well."
03:13:18 Devastator: "Why? Because it was Good Enough!"
03:13:33 Egan: earlier today I was thinking about how evolutionary design is necessary for solving problems which can't be chunked
03:14:12 MJ: But yeah when the endocrine pancreas goes bad you end up with diabetes mellitus either type1 or type2, Type 1 is typicaly juvenila and autoimmune related while Type2 is obesity related and, though actually more genetic then type1 weirdly, and results in insulin resistance versus complete destruction of the insulin production parts, The exocrine pancreas if it's dmaage will try to kill the endocrine pancreas, but if
03:14:13 MJ: it somehoe doesn't do that it will just cause massive constipatoin and malnutrition because it's not helping you break down protien and fat.
03:14:22 MJ: The pancreas is fucking weird
03:14:33 Egan: cell design is probably one of those things which it would be nearly impossible to do it in a way which appeals to our design sensibilities :p
03:16:56 MJ: Yeah, evolution is a mess that we really just don't understand as well as we think we do
03:17:41 MJ: Literally there's entire pages in my textbooks that just like well we gave them this drug on this theory of how things worked, and it seemed to work, but then we found out that theory is wrong, but it still works, so we're just going to keep doing it.
03:17:57 Egan: it also seems that a mind is something which needs to be made that way
03:18:18 Egan: ironically one of the things a mind can't chunk into smaller problems is itself :v
03:18:30 Egan: maybe we'll figure it out
03:19:06 Egan: if it ain't broke don't fix it
03:19:17 MJ: That is very much evolutions plan
03:20:43 Devastator: if it ain't broke let it degrade until it breaks, then stop.
03:21:12 Egan: I was talking about the drugs :p
03:21:37 Egan: thankfully we can still use technology even if we suddenly realize we have no idea why it works
03:27:42 MJ: I can't really judge the tech priests making shit when I don't know how it works when I don't really know how tylenol works.
03:27:57 MJ: We've got like theories, but like nothing concrete about it
03:28:13 Devastator: There's stuff in medicine that's well undersood.
03:28:23 Devastator: then there's stuff that's less well understood but can be generally worked with.
03:28:33 Devastator: then there's stuff where we don't know what the fuck is going on.
03:28:47 Devastator: Some of the third category includes stuff that works!
03:29:22 MJ: Tylenol is solidly in the third category, which is why there's only one drug in it's class and that's itself
03:31:25 Devastator: Pain is in general not well understood.
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05:23:32 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 3 <Total: 3>
05:27:49 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 9 <Total: 9>
05:41:40 Devastator: fish continues to be amazing at saves.
05:41:55 Devastator: even when it actually has a big save bonus.
05:42:01 Devastator: so it doesn't need to roll this well.
05:53:30 Devastator: okay, Sessha guarantees a trickshot crit. +5, +crit..
05:54:08 Devastator: And the pile 'o saves.
05:54:18 Devastator: The poison save, does it stick the status down over time effect?
05:54:28 Devastator: normally it's guaranteed, but fish has good saves.
05:54:32 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 2 <Total: 2>
05:54:38 Devastator: No, that still lands.
05:54:54 Devastator: Attack/defense/mattack/mdefense
05:54:57 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 4d10: 2 3 3 5 <Total: 13>
05:55:06 Devastator: attack down, othre three made.
05:55:29 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 1 <Total: 1>
05:55:53 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 8 <Total: 8>
05:56:04 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 2 <Total: 2>
05:56:14 Devastator: some very nice rolls there.
05:57:05 Devastator: okay, backlash damage from Trence's claw.
05:57:12 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 8 <Total: 8(+7) = 15>
05:57:14 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d10: 10 <Total: 10(+7) = 17>
05:58:05 Devastator: no, sorry, should be +5, not +7.
05:58:14 Devastator: 13 fire and 15 cold.
05:58:25 Devastator: T has 1F and 2C right now, so..
06:01:06 Devastator: okay, now fishy's turn.
06:01:08 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 2d3: 2 3 <Total: 5>
06:01:53 Devastator: As a fixed enemy, the fish rolls different dice for attack down, instead of applying a multiplier like normal enemies.
06:02:05 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 4d10: 7 5 1 3 <Total: 16(+10) = 26>
06:02:17 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d2: 1 <Total: 1>
06:02:23 Devastator: yes, blindness makes it miss.
06:02:29 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d2: 1 <Total: 1>
06:06:06 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d12: 12 <Total: 12>
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10:28:09 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
10:28:09 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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14:26:27 Devastator: "Chess clock Jenga"
14:26:36 Devastator: HOW DID I NOT KNOW THAT EXISTED?"
14:27:08 Egan: also, so we got a bunch of good luck applying debuffs and then the fish just removed them all? :p
14:27:23 Devastator:
Syv won't be happy.
14:27:25 Egan: though I guess without the debuffs it might not have chosen to use it so soon
14:27:32 Devastator: I will confirm that the fish has a finite number of times it can do that.
14:27:46 Devastator: but yeah, this is a sidequest boss, so..
14:27:54 Devastator: normally I wouldn't pit you against this level of buillshit.
14:28:16 Devastator: I suppose it isn't too much of a spoiler to say it's been here a long time, and part of that is not dying.
14:31:28 Egan: well, let's see if we can do it
14:32:10 Egan: it was supposed to be about as strong as that kraken we instakilled, though it's probably stronger in reality
14:34:48 Devastator: It's got better equipment than would be normal for something with that archetype.
14:36:03 Devastator: spell could detect archetype but not what it had on.
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