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01:36:31 Devastator: "Don't we need to have the Astral Influx in our possession?"
01:36:35 Devastator: Or the Moon Ring. ;-p
01:37:59 Devastator: Actually, I don't know the reference.
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02:20:55 syv: Do you aim at grunt heads when you use the minigun?
02:21:13 Devastator: I don't think it's that accurate.
02:21:48 syv: Grunt heads take double damage from all non-AoE sources.
02:22:08 syv: Weakpoint bonus, like the missile launcher's 50% bonus, multiplies that.
02:22:53 syv: So missiles do 20+20, which becomes 40+20 if they strike a grunt head, and if it has weakpoint boost that becomes 60 direct and 20 aoe.
02:23:39 syv: Praets have the abdomen weakpoint, but it has no inherent boost. So a missile striking that does 20+20, and weakpoint buffs that to 30+20
02:23:54 syv: The missile weakpoint upgrade *
02:24:57 syv: Do you use the minigun accuracy increase in tier 1?
02:26:48 Devastator: Can't really snipe with it but it's helpful.
02:27:35 Devastator: I'm willing to experiment.
02:27:37 Devastator: if you want to play some.
02:28:22 syv: Not really feeling like anything right now. Need to exercise, too.
02:28:28 syv: But numbers make me happy.
02:28:39 syv: Do you use the AP upgrade?
02:28:41 Devastator: been updating Extinction a bunch.
02:29:01 Devastator: Don't think so. I'd have to check but it's mostly damage aside from the accuracy one.
02:29:10 Devastator: I know I've experimented with the bullet passthrough.
02:29:58 syv: Thinking about damage numbers. Grunt body armor provides them 20% DR, so a non-AP body shot does 80% damage. Shooting the head does 200%. So without AP, a headshot actually has an effective multiplier of 250%. Which is absurd.
02:30:17 Devastator: How big is the actual sweetspot?
02:31:20 syv: Tan parts are armor, grey parts are 1x multiplier with no armor.
02:31:25 syv: Armor breaks... eventually.
02:32:15 Devastator: okay you basically ahve to hit them in the mouth.
02:32:31 syv: Man though, I hadn't quite internalized how absurd the relative multipliers are there.
02:33:10 syv: I have an AR overclock which gives +50% weakpoint boost, on top of the base upgrade which gives +20%, for +70% total.
02:33:50 syv: Which means it effectively deals 425% damage to the head.
02:34:34 Devastator: Yeah, didn't know about the mouth weakpoints.
02:34:51 syv: It also reduces direct damage and rof, so it does damn near nothing to the body, which I knew. But I hadn't quite realized the numbers here.
02:35:23 Devastator: that's a big bonus.
02:35:32 Devastator: I'll have to make sure the burst pistol has hollowpoints.
02:35:51 Devastator: It's not accurate but I use it mostly at really close range.
02:36:17 Devastator: with the face weakspot it should kill a grunt in two hits.
02:36:43 Devastator: easy to land 2 hits on 3 round bursts.
02:38:17 syv: Was just looking at the numbers, grunt HP caps at 108 in the hardest difficulties, and the BRT does 21*3 base. Or 63, more than enough to oneshot to the face.
02:38:56 Devastator: yeah, but landing all 3 shots is sometimes tricky. I have the bonus damage overclock.
02:39:04 syv: Hollowpoints add 40%, so 29.4*3, which is certainly enough to kill with only two hits.
02:39:49 syv: Lead spray? +50% damage, 400% inaccuracy?
02:40:58 Devastator: the hollowpoints are on the same tier as the bonus ammo.
02:41:04 Devastator: the BRT really wants that bonus ammo.
02:41:47 Devastator: well lead spray should have it in two-shot range anyway.
02:42:16 Devastator: just have to aim for the face.
02:42:19 Devastator: I idnd't know about that.
02:42:20 syv: It's also in the same tier as AP.
02:42:30 Devastator: Nah, that's not necessary for the BRT.
02:43:27 syv: It'd alloe you to oneshot with a burst to the body from any angle.
02:43:45 syv: If taken with both damage ups.
02:44:00 syv: Actually you only need one
02:44:18 syv: Just barely hits the breakpoint. Unless, of course, the game rounds down somewhere.
02:45:40 syv: ...Actually, that sounds pretty effective. T1 blowthrough, T3 damage, T4 AP. Can kill two grunts with each burst, if they're swarming.
02:46:20 Devastator: It really feels like I need the extra ammo, but maybe.
02:46:22 syv: You do lose that very chunky ammo up though, yeah.
02:46:59 syv: I have micro flechettes on my BRT, which is basically the opposite. Less damage, way more ammo. So it's not generally an issue for me, but it isn't nearly that effective either.
02:47:21 Devastator: Yeah, I like just how much damage it deals and fast.
02:47:48 Devastator: It's really satisfying.
02:48:05 syv: Inaccuracy might kill that idea, too. If you can reliably kill one grunt, but not a second behind it, the blowthrough is probably almost useless. A grunt with 1/3 HP still needs you to fire a full burst.
02:48:08 Devastator: a lot of times it's a big grunt.
02:48:22 Devastator: not a normal grunt.
02:49:59 syv: Slashers top out at 177.6, 164% of a grunt.
02:50:30 syv: So a BRT optimized for grunt body shots would need two headshots in a single burst, or just a second burst.
02:51:16 Devastator: Can manage two headshots, usually.
02:51:26 Devastator: unless at medium range, and then it's two bursts.
02:52:07 syv: I thiiiink their leg armor would always break with the AP upgrade? So they take full damage even when shielding. But I'm not sure, I haven't really used AP. Definitely need to try it. :P
02:52:30 syv: Literally just triple the HP of a grunt
02:52:39 syv: So if a grunt takes 1 burst, guards take 3.
02:52:59 syv: Also, apparently slashers have a 30% weakness to explosives?
02:53:40 syv: Do note, you need both AP and one of the damage buffs. The second sounds like it's useless, except against big things like praets.
02:54:17 syv: I'm assuming the damage OC also multiplies the upgrade bonus, which... seems to vary.
02:54:27 syv: Some OCs are flat, some are multiplicative.
02:54:53 Devastator: I think they're flat on the BRT.
02:55:04 syv: Then you'd need both, which would suck.
02:55:23 Devastator: both to oneshot grunts from anywhere in the body in four person diff 4 grunts?
02:55:43 syv: HP numbers are the same in Haz 4+, apparently.
02:55:49 syv: And don't vary with player count?
02:55:52 Devastator: I'll think about it then.
02:56:03 syv: At least, according to the wiki's enemy pages.
02:56:21 syv: Watch all this theorycrafting change when season 4 is released in three days. :P
02:57:51 Devastator: I'm okay with experimenting with the BRT.
02:58:20 Devastator: although it is amusing to have a secondary do more DPS than a minigun.
05:57:58 syv: I really want to see
MJ's subata build, now.
06:02:50 Devastator: 'more ammo' 'more ammo'
06:07:53 syv: That wouldn't be unreasonable.
06:08:09 syv: What's the worst subata build I could make...
06:08:42 Devastator: more ammo every time it comes up.
06:08:48 Devastator: beyond that, go for it.
06:11:02 syv: 1 is pinpoint acc, 2 is +1 damage, 3 is less recoil, 4 is +3 damage, 5 is corrosive DoT.
06:11:19 Devastator: Corrosive DoT is better than the fire.
06:11:47 Devastator: and pinpoint accuracy is useful for the driller.
06:11:50 syv: Not if you focus exclusively on damage.
06:12:23 syv: 16 damage with only +20% on weakpoints is pretty weak, and corrosion is relatively weaker the more damage you do
06:13:05 Devastator: 'bonus fire damage to burning targets' just sucks.
06:13:57 syv: And should stack with weakpoint.
06:14:49 Devastator: and it does zero damage because fire DoT is mostly pointless.
06:14:52 syv: That'd be 32 damage per weakpoint shot on a praet, which is quite solid for driller.
06:15:04 Devastator: yeah, if you can set the praet on fire.
06:15:18 syv: Fire dot does good damage, what?
06:16:02 syv: Literally no, I use fire arrows on scout and two can kill an entire swarm of grunts with the dot alone
06:17:00 syv: Beyond that, it is being used as a debuff here; +50% damage is nothing to sneeze at.
06:18:34 syv: Oh, huh. Praets have increased HP witg player count.
06:18:54 syv: Caps at 1200 in the final stage of an EDD
06:26:04 syv: CACAA maximizes single target damage. 388 single target damage to a prea per mag, with 1.5s to unload that damage and 1.3s to reload. That's about half the health of a haz 3 Prae, and it gives 20 mags. It's not great, but it's without OC and gives driller a single target option.
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09:46:43 Devastator: mmm, gate of dreams later. I'll ask
ER if Ignorance's witch is going to join us.
09:50:18 Devastator: I'll stay a turn, but Skylord wants to go find a fight. ;-p
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13:21:28 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Fleshorrors dream of feline BASS
13:21:28 Topic set by syv [Saturday 22 May 2021, 04:44:55]
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20:23:32 Devastator: gonna buy that jerky today.
20:23:37 Devastator: I'll mail it tomorrow.
20:35:32 Devastator: Gate of Dreams. Are you going to be joining the group?
20:41:52 Devastator: I won't worry about waiting around then.
22:54:27 Devastator: hey, if it does work,
syv, it may justify spending the point in Might. ;-p
22:58:02 Devastator: (might get a temp buff for +1 in the stat.) ;-p
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23:14:04 Devastator: ...no, I don't understand.
23:17:25 Devastator: stocked up on fresh veggies too. And the corn harvest is here.
23:17:55 Devastator: Dunno if you found out when you're up here but we have really high quality corn during harvest season, and it's dirt cheap.
23:18:34 Devastator: Yeah, it's trucked up from the lower mainland, but it's like 80 cents an ear.
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23:20:04 Devastator: and it's super tasty. I'll have to make some.
23:25:01 Devastator: so yes, humans fucking love corn.
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