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07:23:21 syv: How is the local Canadian?
07:27:11 Devastator: Snow wasn't good for skiing.
07:28:12 Devastator: too soft to hold me up well while not being nice powder for low resistance. Worst of both worlds.
07:28:36 Devastator: Plus the gear is all inherited and mismatched, so that didn't help any.
07:37:59 syv: Will you have more opportunities?
07:46:22 Devastator: Next year. Or I could rent a set and hit the actual slopes.
07:46:35 Devastator: Truth is I need my own set and I think I'll buy it next year.
07:46:47 Devastator: neet boots that fit properly and some modern skis.
07:46:57 Devastator: Also, updated extinction,
syv.
07:51:20 Devastator: It's fine, skiing is incredibly exhausting.
07:51:42 Devastator: It exists because 'trudging through snow' is absurdly hard.
07:51:58 syv: And also because it's fun :v
07:54:07 Devastator: doubt you'll want it anyway.
07:54:23 Devastator: you found a hidden ruin from an old map after the seige.
08:01:12 syv: Could we learn to dual wield shortswords? :3
08:01:42 Devastator: That sounds like an advanced skill.
08:01:54 Devastator: Not saying a hard no, but Sessha doesn't do that.
08:02:29 Devastator: Thinking something like a skill that gives you an additional + if you have two identical shortswords.
08:02:35 syv: It sounds like a decent synergy for Trence's general multihit build
08:02:40 Devastator: (which of course, would combine with blade dragon)
08:02:51 syv: Though finding a second black blade shortsword would be... unlikely.
08:03:07 syv: Maybe we could get a spell to summon a copy?
08:04:00 syv: ...Also, does Sessha dual wield daggers?
08:04:05 Devastator: Considering it isn't super amazing you might be able to get the raw material.
08:04:23 Devastator: Not as such. She's ambidextrous, but doesn't have a skill that actually gives it in-game effects.
08:04:43 syv: ...Would we be able to do that?
08:04:51 syv: Just give her dual wielding, free +
08:05:04 syv: Well, not free, but relatively easily.
08:05:35 Devastator: I'll say yes, but you'll need to do without her for a bit.
08:05:42 Devastator: she doesn't learn so quickly anymore.
08:06:22 syv: Reasonable. Giving our assassin a passive + would be a good investment, I think.
08:07:00 syv: Willis and Trence get stuff for visiting elemental shrines, but did Sessha? I forget.
08:07:38 syv: Also, the black blade is still pretty good IMO. It's not a strict upgrade over the spear, but the spear isn't a strict upgrade either. Unless the mana drain sucks.
08:07:55 syv: Do we know how much it drains, now that we've tested it?
08:08:23 Devastator: Do note, 'drain' doesn't mean 'gives Trence mana'
08:08:30 Devastator: it takes mana from the opponent.
08:10:25 Devastator: but it powers the effect.
08:10:31 Devastator: it doesn't go to Trence.
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08:13:51 Devastator: but it powers the effect.
08:13:52 syv: Yep, didn't specify that the drain isn't a mana restore.
08:13:53 Devastator: it doesn't go to Trence.
08:14:04 Devastator: yeah, gonna describe it as 'mana burning' instead.
08:14:18 Devastator: so it's more clear.
08:14:37 syv: I'm going to blame Oblivion. In Oblivion, "Magicka Damage" just reduces the enemy's magic. "Magicka Drain" steals it for you.
08:14:48 syv: And ever since then I've just seen drain as that mechanism.
08:15:31 syv: I would not have bought it even if it were 100% an honest deal, if I knew that.
08:15:42 syv: The entire reason I was interested was the mana restore...
08:16:09 syv: Does Arngrim's shield drain not give him a mana restore?
08:16:42 syv: Well, that's good news I guess.
08:17:08 Devastator: The only person who might have a spell like that is Dorren.
08:17:41 Devastator: but I don't think so.
08:18:48 syv: Yeah, god, this is comparable to turning into a dragon.
08:19:40 Devastator: manadrain on Trence would be a real game changer, yeah.
08:19:43 syv: Blade alone is 10 mana with 2 upkeep, and gives us a +1 upgrade and a passive + to all attacks
08:20:07 syv: And the black blade only works if the enemy has mana *to* drain
08:21:03 Devastator: which is most enemies.
08:23:39 syv: It also stops working if it depletes their mana
08:23:52 syv: Dragon stops working if Trence depletes his own mana, yes.
08:24:48 syv: Does using that Farflame accessory work as a free action? It should.
08:25:07 syv: Otherwise it's just a really shitty mana potion that consumes an accessory slot
08:25:18 Devastator: and it doesn't consume an accessory slot.
08:25:22 Devastator: You can equip it as one.
08:25:26 Devastator: but that bit doesn't seem to do anything.
08:27:45 Devastator: "Consumable item that you'll never use"
08:37:00 syv: Though Extinction conveniently has a very definite final boss fight.
08:37:19 syv: We use the accessory during the 4S fight, easy.
08:37:42 syv: Can Willis use it, instead of Trence?
08:40:14 syv: ...I'd like a god for Alice that works with a big summon.
08:40:37 syv: I think a big mana dump for a summon would work very well on her.
08:41:26 syv: Summon has a lot going for it. More hits for tanking Spar's doomsword, more action economy in general.
08:42:46 syv: Though maybe we should research Spar's sword before planning too much.
08:42:47 Devastator: suggest it and I might come up with one
08:44:23 syv: Dorren vs Alice seems like a good matchup from what we have so far. Harrying him to keep him from using his utility. But that's a straightforward "Trade our paladin's actions for their mage's actions", which isn't even guaranteed if he busts out some good damage+debuff spells. Which he totally would have.
08:45:20 Devastator: What'd you call him?
08:45:43 syv: Just assuming it works isn't ideal, and it still leaves us dealing with the other three using our other three team members. Ideally we'd want to be able to shut down or significantly impair at least one of them *without* totally consuming one of our own unit's action economies.
08:46:01 syv: Spar is OP and would certainly be an entire boss encounter alone.
08:47:08 syv: Trence is OP too, and might be able to 1v1 her with whatever future buffs we get from researching the sword and the final dragonform... but even then I wouldn't feel safe checking Willis and Sessha against Arngrim and Carina.
08:47:57 Devastator: do note, you're 12th level now.
08:48:03 syv: Willis in particular doesn't really slot into a slower bossfight. He really, really wants to just burst them down, which I wouldn't feel safe relying on.
08:48:04 Devastator: they'll have fewer HP.
08:49:17 syv: Carina is scary herself, too. She seems the most likely one for us to be able to burst down. And the highest value, beyond Spar.
08:50:03 syv: That line of logic leads toward giving Alice her own torrents of ardent pathos to use along with Willis' and Trence's.
08:50:22 syv: And bursting might be the only feasible choice against Spar in the end.
08:50:34 Devastator: gotta find out how it works!
08:50:53 Devastator: It's not truly a guaranteed instant kill.
08:51:00 Devastator: There are limits to it.
08:51:43 syv: There's death protection, yeah?
08:52:22 syv: But what you said before was something like "it'd just be downgraded to dealing huge amounts of normal damage" against death protection.
08:52:23 Devastator: Irony got a writeup of the encounter if Spar had to burn you out of the northern city.
08:52:34 Devastator: No, death protection alone it still kills you.
08:52:44 Devastator: There is a trick to it, though.
08:53:16 syv: Only has four uses and then she has to recharge
08:53:30 Devastator: I could tell you. It's not really that gamebreaking.
08:53:34 syv: it deals damage to her too and we have an easier time bursting her
08:56:01 Devastator: I'll tell you if you ask, but no hints.
08:56:18 syv: We'll find out in Valterre
08:57:09 Devastator: The four swords of Valterre.
08:57:16 syv: Want to do some quick dwarves?
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