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03:15:30 Devastator: I'll stop giving Stirk problems soon.
03:17:12 ER: you should give him all the problems
03:17:51 Devastator: I'm too anxious to read his response.
03:37:49 ER: don't worry about it too much
03:50:06 ER: I'm just grudgeful to stirk since that time he annoyed me enough to ban him from kaijucom discord
03:50:18 ER: not enough to not play a game obv
03:53:12 Devastator: what happened there again?
03:53:32 Devastator: I remember having to find another message of passing stuff along, but it wasn't a huge deal to him.
04:09:19 ER: it's amusing how much of a story you can make when none of the characters are allowed to act fully like human beings ;p
04:22:54 Devastator: okay, gonna read the response.
04:38:33 Devastator: yeah, ti's too bloody complicated.
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04:49:38 ER: I guess I have to give Awuna a dungeon crawl, then
04:49:46 ER: what are those like anyways
04:51:21 syv: A series of fights against monsters with a few option selects where you take a minor penalty if you choose right, and a minor bonus if you choose wrong
04:58:04 syv: My brain wants to make a pbp nyafor battle royale game
04:58:14 syv: I don't know why this idea got stuck in there
05:02:47 syv: It won't actually be nyafor though
05:02:57 syv: No catgirl/wolfgirl racial traits
05:03:09 syv: Instead every faction would just get doubled skill with its own guns
05:09:01 ER: where's the fun in a cruel bloodsport if it's not catgirls being forced to play it
05:13:30 Devastator: oh, got a new headset.
05:15:37 syv: Harder to balance if there's racial traits
05:15:54 syv: I guess I could always say they're catgirls and spiders, but not have any mechanical impact
05:18:04 ER: yeah I mean it didn't matter in nyafor
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05:24:22 ER: ...I hadn't even considered running a normal RPG in the nyafor setting but I guess that's not the worst idea
05:24:59 ER: also exactly what mgm is already, but now I have unlocked the brain project of *
ER* does it :thinking:
05:26:45 Devastator: not Extinction? ;-p
05:27:37 ER: one comes after the other, clearly
05:27:45 syv: I'd rather
ER not GM extinction, no
05:27:54 syv: I think
Dev does a good job on it as is
05:29:58 ER: the real question is if we can get
MJ to gm a third game
05:31:18 Devastator: something so that the three of us are all running games.
05:31:52 syv: I was going to correct you and say four, then I remembered
05:32:21 ER: you can be included if you want to GM something :D
05:33:07 MidJag_: Yeah I don't really have the time or mental energy to GM a game right now
05:34:26 syv: Nyafor battle royale would be... mechanical
05:36:00 ER: yeah a very mechanical battle royale game would be good
05:36:36 ER: then all the contestants can be NPCs and the players job is just to heckle them and throw deadly mutant bears at them or something
05:36:51 syv: No, was gonna be multiplayer, no NPCs
05:37:00 Devastator: goddamn it, I'm just being a jackass on the forums. I should shut up and play properly in Stirks game.
05:37:30 syv: Isn't playing wrong your whole thing?
05:37:47 Devastator: Stirk's running Only War, but I really don't want to mess about with the insanely complicated character creation.
05:37:48 MidJag_: Yeah I was under the impression that was your normal way of playing :P
05:37:51 Devastator: but it doesn't matter, really.
05:37:58 Devastator: so I should just do the work and get through it.
05:40:57 ER: I don't really wanna do that either :p
05:41:29 syv: Aren't there online character generators?
05:43:10 Devastator: I'm sure, but it's really quite complicated.
05:44:21 Devastator: I'm gonna apologize to Stirk after it.
05:44:25 Devastator: and just do the work tomorrow.
05:45:03 MidJag_: 'm done for some Vaganta
05:45:15 syv: I'd offer to do it for you or something, I like stupidly complex systems. But... too tired.
05:46:00 ER: I'm tempted to play bomb rogue but let me try out bomb arrows in SP first
05:46:07 ER: so that I know how those work >.>
05:46:22 Devastator: so should be able to talk.
05:47:01 Devastator: as in "I went shopping on the weekend."
05:49:24 syv: Well if Egan will play SP, I'll... stare at a text file and fill it with BR rules
05:49:35 ER: remember how to switch ammo?
05:49:58 ER: I just want to try this and also not blow everyone up
05:51:41 Devastator: I think you might have to set up the hotswitch.
05:53:22 ER: lol I tried tutorial to see if it says
05:53:36 ER: but you can't complete the tutorial as illiterate
05:53:47 ER: because it wants you to read a book
05:56:00 ER: uhh I guess you just have to drop all of your arrows?
05:57:00 ER: no, you can just go into your inventory and change which type of arrows is first in the inventory slots
05:57:27 ER: pressing square on them does nothing
05:58:38 ER: okay, one bomb gets you three explosive arrows
05:58:57 ER: they stick in walls and enemies and then explode, doing 20 damage
05:59:08 syv: So it *is* overall a debuff
05:59:22 syv: Should save them for later bosses
05:59:48 ER: no dragon instakill, but I did kill it in a few seconds
06:01:08 ER: yeah should help against tougher bosses
06:06:05 ER: couldn't you do full on bomb arrows in spelunky?
06:06:18 ER: with the bow of questionable usefulness?
07:55:05 Devastator: we'll beat it one of these days.
07:55:10 Devastator: and yeah, I'll try the low-health healing thing.
07:55:14 Devastator: wonder where it kicks in.
07:55:52 syv: That run was close.
ER might've pushed it over into a win.
07:56:10 Devastator: next time, no hitting thief with quest.
07:56:14 Devastator: I mean, sheesh, 50 damage. ;-p
07:56:24 syv: Not sure if I should switch to a different class.
07:56:35 syv: Houndmaster is fun, but dog seems to drop off.
07:56:48 Devastator: I'll see if I can find some way to deal with that weird boss.
07:56:49 syv: I like rogue.
MJ is our mage.
07:57:25 syv: ...I would've clutched that last level if I were a rogue. Stealth.
07:57:40 Devastator: I dunno, they were kinda camping the top.
07:57:44 syv: Yeah, I'll do rogue next time.
07:57:49 Devastator: and I think that portal door sends you back to the start.
07:58:14 Devastator: found a new level,
ER.
07:58:20 syv: Rogue can also prolly crit the shopkeep
07:58:25 Devastator: jerks who drop bricks on you.
07:58:31 syv: Will you sleep,
ER, or sticking around? :3
07:59:23 syv: Almost choked on my sandwich laughing
08:00:00 Devastator: ..well, yeah, what would you use to describe that guy? ;-p
08:01:12 Devastator: gonna do a quick solo to see low health healing.
08:02:30 syv: You get a team of four, any mixture of cat/wolf/fox/spider.
08:03:11 syv: Everyone has 2 in all stats by default. Looting can get you attachments which upgrade one specific stat by +1 while held, can have three attachments max.
08:03:52 syv: Using a faction weapon doubles your skill. So maximum in a single skill is 10, with faction boost + three attachments.
08:05:01 syv: Every tile has five rolls for random loot. You get one just by entering it. The others have to have an action spent on it, afterward. You get random guns/ammo/armor/consumables.
08:05:22 syv: Units can carry one gun, and have additional weight for carrying consumables.
08:05:46 syv: If they die, they're "downed", unable to take actions but still able to follow. Another unit can use an action and a medkit to heal them.
08:06:51 syv: Movement speed is 1, orthagonally. Vision range is 1, orthagonally, I think. So you can stumble blindly into another team.
08:07:38 syv: Weapon range is 0 for CQC, 2 for FF/Prec, 3 for sniping. You can target tiles you don't see anyone in. Unsilenced shooting can be heard within 3 tiles, orthagonally.
08:08:25 syv: There's better loot in defensible areas, and maybe some other loot hotspots?
08:09:21 syv: The playable area will gradually shrink, and there will be random lootdrops within the playable area, with faction special weapons.
08:13:20 ER: maybe longer detection range into more exposed areas
08:13:36 ER: like 1 in woods but you can see 2 over plains
08:13:41 syv: Complexity. Decided against.
08:13:57 syv: I was going to have binocs as loot.
08:14:28 syv: Let you choose any specific tile to see, every turn for free, but costs 1 weight per binoc.
08:14:38 syv: Up to four of them holdable.
08:15:07 syv:
Dev, do you want to do a test?
08:15:35 syv: Nik messaged me yesterday saying he was around. Might be able to rope him in.
08:15:51 syv: Could also press a couple Discord kids into it.
08:23:56 ER: yay for defeating discord kids in a simple game of dakka and catgirls
08:24:24 Devastator: seems to kick in at about 20%.
08:24:32 Devastator: gives you double regen.
08:24:40 Devastator: that is, double lifesteal. One HP per attack.
08:25:55 syv: Hm. That's five attacks per level at low health to beat the bonfire healing.
08:26:08 syv: Also suits a defense build.
08:26:46 Devastator: it's not super good.
08:26:59 Devastator: nah, not really into a test.
ER maybe.
08:27:04 Devastator: happy to watch, but not up for another game.
08:27:46 syv: I could also post it on the forum, rope some randos into trying my broken game.
08:38:46 Devastator: nah, the lifesteal isn't that good.
08:41:42 ER: lifesteal gets you like 1 HP per whack, doesn't it?
08:42:05 ER: maybe it's not worth getting that level as wildling
08:44:21 syv: Wilding + bloodlust + defense build
08:45:21 syv: Terribly OP until it's useless ;P
08:47:31 Devastator: it's like lifesteal but only when you're on fire.
09:34:10 syv: *tries to write mechanics*
09:34:15 syv: *Accidentally writes lore*
10:13:59 ER lurks out of a broom closet to poke syv
10:14:48 syv: I'll send rules in a few minutes
10:35:36 syv: Any questions or revisions?
10:37:22 syv: Yeah, cats name everything after themselves
10:37:55 ER: also the long-gun wasn't a sovereign weapon per se, she was working alone on that
10:38:37 syv: It's easier than explaining nyafor history
10:38:57 syv: And it makes it obvious Sov is really evil and Grimalia is more stupid evil
10:41:02 syv: You're right, it's less accurate, and might as well
10:42:19 syv: It's kinda funny that we now have a storied lore for this setting, hinging around the fact that I won all the bonus objectives in a random testgame.
10:44:10 ER: "Every weapon has its own rating for each of the ranges mentioned above"
10:44:24 ER: should change it to 'actions listed above'
10:46:18 syv: Changing ranges to actions was meant to make things more intuitive and simple. But it's not how I think about it.
10:51:41 syv: ...How did I make it so the upper left corner is 1A, and the bottom right id 8H?
10:51:46 ER: but do make an effort to not confuse noobs by casually mentioning cqc fightfight etc without explaining what they are :p
10:51:56 syv: I very specifically intended the opposite. Blah.
10:59:56 ER: welp, just edit for consistant terminology and you'll be fine. or better add a bit saying charge uses cqc skill and such which might help with ambiguity later.
11:00:34 syv: I'm just editing as you suggested.
11:05:35 ER: no guns with - rating for sniping in this?
11:08:06 syv: Same as always. SMGs can only assault bunkers in melee.
11:08:31 ER: "Every firearm has a rating for the four attack actions (Charge, Manuever, Fire Precisely, and Snipe) ranging from 30 to 100."
11:08:44 ER: *technically* incorrect, but it doesn't matter :p
11:09:06 syv: Well I'm not sending it again just to fix that.
11:09:13 syv: 100 is next to useless anyway
11:09:48 ER: but you could slap three sniper scopes on a machine pistol to make that 100 slightly better
11:10:21 syv: Every unit has 2 skill at every range.
11:10:44 syv: 5d100 in this... is still close to useless. Hm. Anydice.
11:10:50 ER: also is special ammo a gun mod, single use item, or something in a different category?
11:11:17 ER: rules mention that AP armor is a thing but ammo not listed as a type of loot
11:11:27 ER: unless it's just part of the gun
11:12:03 syv: It's a type of loot. Ammo can't be consumed, because it's complex enough already.
11:12:36 syv: Yeah I removed the line about ammo. It was in gun section.
11:13:56 ER: snipe action also mentions never consuming ammo, which should be removed if running out of ammo is a concern
11:18:40 ER: I was just assuming that was part of the unspoken rules not to worry about :p
11:18:52 syv: I won't resend until later, so you have more opportunity to see errors
11:19:08 syv: Also you have to choose your team makeup before you get to see spawn conditions.
11:21:40 ER: was going to go with a certain wolf and cat duo but it might not be lore appropriate. and wouldn't want them to die so that I can put them in nyafor :p
11:22:21 syv: It can always be noncanon, but that's less fun.
11:24:05 ER: I forgot the rest of her name, it was something really dumb
11:25:22 syv: Could be a similar pair instead.
11:25:46 syv: You also have a pretty good chance of winning, at least as much as you can in such a luck based game.
11:26:02 syv: You're familiar with the system stuff. And can pretty much cheat by looking at the gun table.
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