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05:47:32 syv: I just found out that the US military has chosen to actually adopt a new service rifle.
05:48:02 syv: Why the fuck they decided that I don't know
05:48:12 syv: But at least it has a gas piston and lacks a failure button
05:51:41 syv: It's also using a new caliber, 6.8. Which didn't surprise me. Until I realized it's ".277 SIG FURY", and not 6.8 Remington.
05:52:18 syv: I have a lot of misgivings despite the fact I haven't read much of anything about this yet
05:53:45 syv: It's basically high velocity 308???
05:53:54 syv: But with a more complex case?
05:54:08 syv: We're going back to battle rifles as service rifles???????
05:58:05 Devastator: no offense, but I'm sure you'd hate it regardless. ;-p
05:59:14 syv: The FN SCAR was in the competition. I don't hate that.
05:59:30 syv: But if the SCAR-H was chosen to replace the M4A1, yeah, I'd still complain.
06:00:06 syv: "Our M4A1s that are damn near PDW size can't penetrate the heaviest body armor!"
06:00:25 syv: "I know! We'll replace ALL OF OUR SERVICE RIFLES WITH A FUCKING BATTLE RIFLE FIRING 308 BUT HEAVIER!"
06:01:11 Devastator: well, the cataclysm players will love it. ;-p
06:01:15 syv: "Damn, this shortsword isn't quite up to snuff. Maybe I should use a zweihander instead?"
06:01:41 syv: This is the MK23 all over again
06:01:53 syv: They'll make it, hemmorhage money, and it will be refused.
06:02:13 syv: They're including a brick of an optic with all the guns too
06:02:50 syv: I'm also suspicios of the caliber?
06:03:50 syv: SIG made an all new caliber for it, but ballistically it's just... 308 but a little heavier and better. And considering it uses a case that includes a steel *and* brass section, is probably expensive as fuck.
06:04:35 syv: And our main classic rival just showed that they REALLY don't need us to uparm to fight them.
06:05:04 syv: Is 5.56 really not good enough for China? Is anyone seriously worried about that?
06:05:28 Devastator: from the sound of it it'll punch right through the sides of BTRs and such.
06:08:00 syv: ...Probably not modern ones. But maybe. Close thing.
06:08:57 syv: It's got a bit higher muzzle energy and a bit smaller cross section.
06:09:43 syv: So I'd expect it to better at AP, but it's still less energy than 30-06. Maybe a bit better than that, for cross section.
06:10:48 syv: I don't see it going through an inch of RHA.
06:11:19 syv: That said, yes, it's prolly going to go right through any kind of infantry armor.
06:11:41 Devastator: yeah, but half the APCs are aluminum..
06:11:46 syv: Buuuut infantry armor that resists AP 308 is rare and extremely heavy and still limited in coverage.
06:12:16 syv: Yes, it will murder bradleys, like any good GPMG using AP ammo.
06:13:13 syv: If they wanted a doctrinal change to include more MGs in squads, maybe go right out and start issuing the LWMMG, sure, I'd support that. That would actually be a viable anti-light armor strategy
06:15:15 syv: This, though, is more..."We will ensure all of our infantry can damage the shittiest transports with their personal weapons at close range."
06:15:37 syv: Anti infantry armor, that's the reason, but it still seems ill-advised.
06:16:12 syv: There will not be significant amounts of chinese infantry using 308 AP resistant armor.
06:16:35 syv: Ugh, hell, if it were just to replace the rifles we use, I'd accept that. Actually, that sounds great
06:17:13 syv: Replacing 308 is overdue, and makes a LOT of sense. It's not such a good round for its roles. Marksmen have already broadly abandoned it for more appropriate calibers.
06:17:31 syv: Replacing 5.56 with it is what's stupid, and replacing M4A1s with a battle rifle. Just, flat out.
06:17:50 syv: Expensive and everyone will hate it.
06:18:07 syv: It'll become an SF tool that they use sometimes.
06:18:41 Devastator: like every other new weapon in 20 years?
06:30:38 Devastator: new podcast in Hunter: The Family or whatever that is.
06:31:37 Devastator: some good lines, as always.
06:31:46 Devastator: I swear, being the Emps voice actor must be fun.
06:33:15 syv: Amusingly, I'm supposed to do practice obs today. Which is just manually doing all the information and writing a manual ob.
06:33:23 syv: ...Which I now have to do anyway because it broke.
06:51:27 Devastator: mmm, war news is mostly good.
06:51:36 Devastator: looks like most of the russian attacks petered out.
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06:59:36 Devastator: Irony has plan, it seems.
06:59:42 syv: Latest offensive, too little too late?
07:00:59 Devastator: mostly just didn't make too much progress, including swapping some units out.
07:01:06 Devastator: probably going to move forward for the next week, but not far.
07:01:12 Devastator: then it'll be back to pushing/pushing.
07:04:21 Devastator: they are fighting less dumbly, but at this point Ukraine no longer needs 3:1 kill ratios.
07:08:26 syv: Dorren has status resistance, that sucks.
07:08:32 syv: Can't just spam sonic stun on him.
07:09:16 syv: Part of my brain just told me to look up the ring of deja vu on the Extinction wiki.
07:12:11 Devastator: It's not that poular, sadly.
07:12:16 Devastator: but that's a good feeling.
07:12:31 Devastator: Can I quote you to Irony?
07:15:51 Devastator: I also really don't have the chops for the kind of alternate reality gamt that would be.
07:19:25 Devastator: I'm ruling that the save-or-die petrify spell was a consumable.
07:19:42 Devastator: don't want the game to end on a 50-50 chance.
07:20:38 syv: "Does Dorren only need one more round?" How would he end it in one round if we have well over 100 HP? He's not a blaster mage, and he shouldn't have the ability to summon anything disastrous.
07:21:00 syv: Okay, I could edit my post and quote you on that.
07:21:16 Devastator: I mean, he does have save-or-suck spells.
07:21:20 syv: But it being a consumable doesn't mean he can't have it.
07:23:40 Devastator: Stoning is more of a plot thing.
07:23:44 Devastator: or a bonus boss thing.
07:26:09 Devastator: really, that stoning spell was for plot complications and was going to get one of you.
07:28:08 syv: 30-06 AP doesn't go through 3/4 inch AR500
07:28:37 syv: So I highly doubt 277 SIG will go through an inch
07:30:38 Devastator: well, russian mettalurgy.
07:30:50 Devastator: we saw that T-72s can't survive 30mm autocannons. ;-p
07:30:58 Devastator: even though they mostly can on paper.
07:59:33 syv: We *really* don't need to replace our service rifle to deal with the Russian military.
08:00:05 syv: Going on how effective they've been, we could win a war without any rifles at all. Pistols and SMGs being the only allowed infantry arms.
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12:59:14 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Fleshorrors dream of feline BASS
12:59:14 Topic set by syv [Saturday 22 May 2021, 04:44:55]
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14:48:09 ER: bigger bullet is better bullet
14:55:21 ER: also, while this war does show that the russian military are weaker than most people expected due to poor maintainence and corruption and such
14:55:45 ER: do we really know that the US doesn't ALSO have hidden problems like that?
14:56:36 ER: guess you could argue that our corruption is more visible, in the form of making battle rifles that everybody is going to hate and such
15:03:11 ER: I dunno, I guess my point is that it feels wrong to look at the war and think "ha, russia is suck the US is obviously better than that" as opposed to the real lession which is "oh yeah, powerful countries can still trip over their own dicks militarily"
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18:23:01 Devastator: The US has some problems, but they do engage in war and have more than just nominal training.
18:23:19 Devastator: A big hot war will show problems, but it won't be on that scale. Not by half.
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