02:45:09 ER: pigey testing the airplane treadmill
05:07:37 Devastator: if
syv here lets make sure we get more Steins.
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05:24:59 Devastator: huh, speak of the devil.
05:25:48 ER: in helljackers lore, I think that lucifer killed satan
05:25:54 Devastator: Hail Prince of Darkness.
05:26:01 ER: and both held the title of "the devil"
05:42:25 Devastator: yeah, around 10. One min.
05:52:04 ER: was working on helljackers, (yay)
05:52:29 ER: ...I hope that this is a non-stupid system
05:52:50 syv: Eh, stupid doesn't mean unfun
05:53:00 syv: And unfun is a learning experience~
05:53:05 ER: I hope that this is a non unfun system :p
05:53:20 syv: Just do better than
Aigre and you're fine
05:53:55 ER: actually, unready for a bit
05:53:59 syv: You sure? I could see
Aigre preaching some kinda weird religion of universal oneness
06:04:00 syv: Ohhh, I finally realize what her waifu category is
06:04:24 Devastator: she's not half wolf, though. ;-p
06:04:51 syv: Well she's missing the head triangles
06:04:58 syv: Head triangles are important
06:05:17 ER: she could be some kind of horrific future fleshhorror wolf warrior
06:06:35 Devastator: oh god, that's a horrible pun.
06:06:38 syv: A 42 inch CRT creating black holes
06:07:36 Devastator: Enter the Technobabble.
06:07:55 ER: and killing yourself in the process :p
06:08:43 syv: They made akihabara non-weeb, yes?
06:08:57 syv: Maybe it's a sciency neighborhood now?
06:09:13 Devastator: I don't think any Tokyo neighborhood counts as non-sciency in 2010.
06:10:45 Devastator: Everything changed but there's still a CRT shop.
06:11:17 Devastator: It's about the same age as PM3.
06:11:42 syv: I hate how sometimes the writing subs translate and sometimes don't
06:13:38 ER: just in the future, surely :p
06:14:45 Devastator: AMA goes back to usenet.
06:15:39 ER: what will happen to THIS worldline? will he just keel over braindead?
06:15:50 Devastator: maybe we'll find out, maybe not.
06:16:19 syv: Presumably they'd send a copy, so he'd continue on unaltered
06:16:46 Devastator: well, no, we see the guy notices when he goes back to time, so..
06:16:51 Devastator: does everything reset?
06:16:59 Devastator: he changes the past.
06:17:12 syv: He shifts to a new worldline, though.
06:17:33 Devastator: Yeah, but presumably that also happens when you send memories back in time.
06:18:03 syv: This is a question of philosophy and arbitrary metaphysics.
06:18:22 syv: There's many extant worldlines, presumably all existing simultaneously
06:18:27 Devastator: I mean.. it's a show where there's a time machine based off a telepone, a microwave, and a 42" CRT television.
06:18:38 syv: ...But that seems more or less impossible to prove or disprove.
06:19:18 syv: So maybe there's only one existence and what they *call* a worldline is just a significant shift in reality.
06:19:25 Devastator: The mad science zone is a strange and wonderous place.
06:20:46 Devastator: Does she have parents?
06:22:11 Devastator: 'you know too much'
06:22:59 Devastator: maybe they ran out of money..
06:23:37 Devastator: Yeah, this is two episodes with fake outs.
06:23:42 Devastator: Something bad is going to happen.
06:23:52 syv: The BW animation wasn't running out of money
06:24:45 Devastator: mmm, time travel. They probably need some of this to happen.
06:25:03 ER: maybe you should talk to some of the peoples
06:25:20 ER: at least so that you're not bringing them into danger unkowingly?
06:25:23 Devastator: Yeah. So many anime problems caused by not talking.
06:27:44 ER: this'd be the climax of this half of the season, I suppose
06:27:56 Devastator: is someone gonna get jellified?
06:31:15 ER: well gotta have a desaturate anime scene of melencholy
06:31:32 Devastator: Yeah, but it's not raining.
06:33:35 ER: ah yes, use the black hole to compress the data
06:33:55 syv: Just compress all your memories into a few megs with a black hole
06:34:03 syv: There will be no consequences for that
06:34:20 Devastator: If you had something that could compress data like that, you'd be able to make so much money..
06:34:26 Devastator: even without a time machine.
06:34:32 ER: you just need enough data to hook your soul along for the ride ;p
06:34:41 Devastator: It would rewrite computer science.
06:35:12 syv: Though honestly, when they say that, my thought isn't *recoverably* compressing
06:35:31 Devastator: Yeah, it's theoretically impossible to compress like that.
06:36:50 Devastator: ground beef and grapefruit salad.
06:37:29 Devastator: philosophy in sepia.
06:40:07 Devastator: It's not like I like you or anything, ~Baka.
06:41:08 Devastator: It's an anime. You have nothing to worry about until someone throws a fireball. ;-p
06:41:16 ER: do you need your crazy for this situation?
06:45:19 ER: they just bought a lightsaber prop and called it a future gadget, didn't they
06:45:34 Devastator: I think he took a lightsaber prop and made it glow somehow.
06:49:18 Devastator: and there's that hostage thing again.
06:50:24 Devastator: Did the clock strike midnight?
06:51:27 Devastator: time travel assassins?
06:52:12 Devastator: she coulda been a baddy all along..
06:53:18 ER: oh well got infinite more of her in other universes
06:53:20 syv: She's one of the least reasonable to be a secret agent
06:53:32 syv: She's too socially incapable
06:53:53 Devastator: well, part time warrior is already taken, red-hair becomes the dictator, the Mad Scientist is the mad scientist..
06:53:57 Devastator: it could have been the hacker.
06:54:08 ER: oh well you'd be able to use the time leap now if you weren't at gunpoint!
06:54:18 syv: And that,
Dev, is what you call shit writing
06:54:43 syv: "We've got our waifu archetypes. But I want one of them to be a secret agent! Which one has that as an option?"
06:55:05 Devastator: we already had one secret agent.
06:55:12 ER: 'I figured moeka as being a future cern person from the start for some reason
06:55:49 syv: "How about the socially inept one who can't talk face to face with people and doesn't have any tact or real capability to negotiate?"
06:56:09 syv: And then she murders someone with a firearm, while seemingly being in charge of people
06:56:15 ER: you don't need tact when you have gun
06:56:20 syv: I'm sorry but that's so stupid it makes me mad
06:56:23 Devastator: might be something else going on then.
06:56:45 Devastator: maybe the socially incapable thing was an act all along.
06:56:50 syv: No, she was still in fucking character. Stuttering and awkward and everything.
06:56:58 syv: Oh, and the leather catsuit.
06:57:31 syv: VN doesn't mean bad writing any more than anime does
06:57:32 Devastator: Can't do a dramatic heel-face turn without a new outfit.
06:58:15 syv: Could've chosen something that's not overly sexy
06:58:22 Devastator: I dunno, maybe it's a time travel mind control thing or something.
06:58:40 ER: imagine being a time traveling assassin but not being sexy
06:58:42 Devastator: also in english, she's having no trouble speaking atm.
07:01:03 syv: Had to animate that boob bounce
07:02:04 Devastator: I don't see any elf princesses around.
07:02:08 syv: Break down, be useless, wait for someone to murder him, cry over it?
07:02:23 ER: well no, he can't get killed
07:02:26 Devastator: I can't see Mad Science man breaking down.
07:02:30 ER: if that happens it's game over for real
07:02:35 Devastator: and yeah, that's true.
07:02:41 syv: He'd get over it, but he can break down
07:02:46 Devastator: well, not immediately.
07:02:52 syv: Ohh, so athlete ran off to turn on the TV
07:02:59 Devastator: "Metaphysics Necrosis"
07:02:59 ER: he might be cool under pressure
07:03:24 ER: not under this much pressure though
07:04:33 syv: Okay that's actually pretty cute
07:04:36 Devastator: Huh, so that's how the mad science thing started.
07:05:01 Devastator: wait, he's got more than 48 hours.
07:05:09 Devastator: He can go back to 48 hours before they first made it.
07:05:18 ER: EXPLAIN LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT
07:05:57 syv: When someone who's working on a time machine with you suddenly collapses, seems super anxious, and begins shouting to hear the time, it really should not be hard to guess what happened
07:06:12 Devastator: For anyone else, I'd expect that to work.
07:06:43 Devastator: oh, not two days, just a few hours.
07:06:58 ER: but can the enemy react to him having done this?
07:07:08 ER: or rather, that he has will do this?
07:07:11 Devastator: might already be trapped if only a few hours back.
07:08:12 Devastator: "You only know six people and I've checked in with all of them!"
07:08:39 Devastator: YES THERE'S TIME TO EXPLAIN
07:08:42 Devastator: YOU HAVE A TIME MACHINE
07:09:05 Devastator: now that's anxeity brain freeze.
07:09:49 ER: what happens if he texts phone lady
07:09:52 Devastator: he wants to get Mayuri first and -then- talk to other people.
07:10:03 Devastator: She's his priority.
07:10:27 ER: there wer guys with masks and aks
07:11:21 ER: how well will "not being there" help
07:11:42 Devastator: It might. Depends on how they're tracking him.
07:11:48 Devastator: but he's probably been watched all day at least.
07:11:59 Devastator: need to go back further.
07:12:59 Devastator: okay, two days now, not a few hours.
07:13:23 Devastator: no, trying again with a few hours. Gah.
07:13:41 Devastator: He's bad at this time travel thing.
07:13:50 ER: no really why not tell them that you're under attack
07:14:47 Devastator: ..Red would know how to do this.
07:15:30 Devastator: yeah but she's also smarter than him.
07:15:38 syv: Yeah sending red back would be a far better idea
07:16:19 Devastator: Hah, I wonder if you could progressively move things back by talking to red earlier.
07:16:25 syv: Wanna bet she dies for the third time in one episode, and explodes?
07:16:26 Devastator: get the time machine finished sooner.
07:16:35 ER: not sure if the enemy actually set a bomb or just sent a text through time to get them shut down at the correct time
07:16:43 Devastator: Probably. He's not learning particularly quickly.
07:17:00 syv: Though, then there's a new issue--altering the past can change the previous future.
07:17:20 Devastator: That's true. Maybe see how much you can get done without moving that event first.
07:17:22 syv: He probably keeps memories though
07:19:38 Devastator: That's.. what's going on here?
07:19:57 syv: I'm starting to suspect fate is an actual force in this setting.
07:20:12 syv: Kid dies today. This episode is trying to drive that home.
07:20:26 ER: even if not by the enemy's hands
07:20:34 Devastator: You gotta not suck, mad scientist.
07:20:47 ER: fate's a motherfucker I guess
07:21:43 ER: now, will the rest of the show take place in this space of a few hours and he has to perform extinsive timeline modifications?
07:21:57 Devastator: well, he's got two days, not a few hours.
07:22:10 syv: He really should have more than two days
07:22:20 Devastator: I can work with two days. But yeah.
07:22:26 syv: This show does have one thing going for it
07:22:33 syv: I have no fucking idea where it'll go
07:22:45 Devastator: and not bad characters.
07:23:00 syv: Coulda asked me three episodes ago, and I would've confidently stated there would be no murder until the season end, if at all.
07:23:01 Devastator: I like them, really. Probably the best time travel protag I can remember in any work.
07:24:14 Devastator: That'll do some psyche damage.
07:24:46 Devastator: Gotta not suck, protag-man!
07:26:00 syv: See, hell, this is actually Homura's plotline, but stupider
07:26:41 Devastator: The shows are basically contemporus, too.
07:27:29 syv: I would be pleased if PM3 was basically the result of Urobuchi reading this VN, and being as annoyed as I am
07:27:32 ER: GM: you have unlimited time travel powers
07:27:40 ER: player: okay I use them to save the girl
07:28:01 Devastator: Yes. No physical incarnation of fate in this one.
07:28:30 ER: isn't that what the steins;gate is?
07:29:42 Devastator: oh hey, actually gathering info!
07:31:27 ER: good thing that having a time machine makes it easy to have a monopoly on time travel
07:32:39 ER: is it too late? or is it too EARLY? :D
07:33:00 ER: somehow he also has the fate of always being able to escape and get to the machine
07:33:04 Devastator: I swar, he won't stop failing until he talks to red.
07:33:11 syv: He consistently gets to use the fucking machine
07:34:16 syv: I'll admit, him being increasingly stressed and horrified and unreasonable is pretty fair
07:34:48 syv: He's been repeatedly living the same few horribly traumatizing hours over and over again, constantly feeling horrifyingly rushed
07:34:51 Devastator: Have we watched three shows about time travel almost back-to-back?
07:35:19 syv: Re;Zero is ALSO much better written than this
07:35:55 Devastator: Season 2 was kind of a mess.
07:37:46 Devastator: no worries with making the first attempt just after the machine was completed. Solid reasoning.
07:38:06 syv: Hell, she has a passphrase
07:44:53 Devastator: yeah, actual soldier.
07:44:55 Devastator: and time traveller.
07:44:59 Devastator: but we knew that much.
07:45:20 syv: Probably an actual *athlete*, but she was chosen for that trait
07:45:42 Devastator: Her character makes sense for a chosen time traveller.
07:47:23 syv: Yeah, prolly actual soldier too. 2036 is far enough to justify whatever
07:47:27 ER: still have no idea what happens now though
07:47:44 syv: Your power pales in comparison to the jaguar
07:48:32 Devastator: There's 10 more episodes..
07:48:39 Devastator: ..Yeah, I have no idea where this is going.
07:49:23 ER: well, if there's an actual time machine, could start doing some doctor who shit :p
07:49:42 Devastator: Yeah, I mean, everything's on the table at this point.
07:50:29 ER: the 0.1% divergence barrier or some shit
07:51:56 syv: I remember looking at one of Dubs' old forum games, I think it might've been his first suggestion game?
07:52:39 ER: I forgot what exactly it wwas like
07:52:54 ER: perhaps I was still too dumb to understand it
07:53:00 syv: IIRC he claimed to have a system for how fucky things got after every time jump, and right before the very first one, like thirty copies of the protagonist jumped into the room screaming conflicting instructions and shooting each other
07:53:17 syv: Because he rolled super high on the table or whatever
07:53:45 syv: It was maximally weird from the word "go"
07:55:21 syv: It does make me curious of making a system where every important character has a few possible story variations--from utterly mundane, to endpoint time traveler, and any time you jump far enough it can remix that
07:56:09 ER: uh oh, he's gonna make a second rtd :p
07:57:10 syv: This would *have* to be an SG
07:58:24 ER: I'm sure that with fucky enough mechanics you could do it multiplayer!
08:02:34 syv: ...Thinking about this, it is such a depressingly lonely existence. For all the characters.
08:09:32 Devastator: the show or
PW's game?
08:10:21 syv: The game in my mind inspired by this show.
08:10:37 syv: They've touched on the themes of why
08:10:49 syv: Time travel means you have everyone forget about you.
08:12:01 syv: The concept I described was something similar, where all the characters are friends working on time travel, but going into new worldlines (inevitably over about the same span of time) switches which ones are time travelers, and therefore which ones have been alone.
08:13:02 syv: So basically, everyone who's fine and happy are uninvolved with the greater story, and have much limited experience relative to whoever's been doing the groundhog loop. At any given point, the major players are alone.
08:14:47 syv: Gives me a new idea, which hell, might be what this originally WAS
08:15:50 syv: VN, but all the heroines are time travelers who in the *future* were with the protagonist, but in the past are deathly alone and sad, knowing he's forgotten them. Protagonist's jumps just switch which ones.
08:16:00 syv: Harem fiction but depressing
08:16:53 ER: the good ending is just poly propaganda
08:17:56 syv: The good ending is the protagonist shooting themself and destroying the time machine so that nobody experiences that
08:18:36 syv: I can't make happy stories
08:20:09 ER: I think that I have rules laid out which merely require an injection of content in the form of character making stuff and enemy stuff?
08:20:53 ER: perhaps I'll do a test with a different setting so that how the game plays out can inform player capabilities
08:22:08 syv: Just FYI, forum PMs are better for sharing dense rulesets
08:22:19 syv: I can read on my comp without futzing with file transfer then
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