04:07:02 Devastator: hmm, chuck's reviewing Full Metal Panic now.
04:10:01 Devastator: wonder if it's any good.
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05:45:19 Devastator: oh, was playing M:TW for a while.
05:45:27 Devastator: the AI knows how to corner-camp.
05:45:53 MidJag: Yeah I've got no idea what your tlaking about devb
05:47:15 Devastator: basically when the whole army is sitting in the corner so it's a pain to attack it.
05:47:34 Devastator: oh, the first Medieval Total War.
05:47:49 Devastator: also, the last one with provinces.
05:47:56 Devastator: it seems the reason they abandoned them was engine issues.
05:49:09 Devastator: wanted to have all 3d all the time.
05:49:14 Devastator: and 3d doesn't play well with provinces.
05:50:25 Devastator: to be fair, even when it was new the game was a fair bit unstable.
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08:09:24 Devastator: well damn, the four star assassin made five stars.
08:09:39 Devastator: 'hi, I have 70% odds to kill two-star heirs'
08:09:56 Devastator: 'and I basically have like a 10% chance to get caught by border forts.'
08:14:25 Devastator: only problem is if he wants six stars, he has to kill 32 level-0 ambassadors. ;-p
08:14:44 Devastator: or eight princesses.
08:33:13 Devastator: I've had five star assassins before, but they're usually from Syria, which gives assassins that start at two stars.
08:33:34 Devastator: and they're bonus stars, not free xp, so five stars = three stars.
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09:20:56 syv: I recall playing one of the Total War games maaaaany years ago, as one of the middle eastern nations. I had really liked the first assassin's creed game, so I spammed assassins CONSTANTLY. People hated me, and I constantly had invading armies, but they'd have eight assasins circling them spamming attempts on the leader.
09:21:14 Devastator: hah. Nah, in M:TW they aren't that good..
09:21:20 syv: It also gave my faction ruler max dread, so he was really powerful in combat simply bcause everyone was terrified of him.
09:21:35 syv: I don't think they were that good in this game, either. They usually failed.
09:21:41 Devastator: also building character stats is much harder in M:TW, too. ;-p
09:21:48 Devastator: you can't really do it.
09:22:05 syv: But they succeeded often enough, and I spent so much money spamming them, that basically nobody reached my main areas with a powerful leader still alive.
09:22:42 syv: Also blew up lots of buildings in cities, which I'd conquer, and then have to rebuild. Slowly.
09:22:56 syv: It wasn't a great strategy. But I was like eleven, so meh.
09:23:49 Devastator: ..also something you can't do in M:TW. ;-p
09:24:10 syv: Clearly an inferior game :v
09:24:28 Devastator: It's really got a lot going for it.
09:24:51 ER: clearly the only good strategy is playing as skaven in total warhammer and doomsphering every city
09:25:05 Devastator: I'll leave that for Shoggy.
09:25:55 syv: The game was "Medieval II: Total War (Gold Edition)"
09:26:15 Devastator: I dunno, though, it's.. the province system is just better than on-map movement ranges. The tech tree makes sense and is a lot harder to abuse, and the units actually work in combat.
09:26:42 Devastator: Most of the other games have units that don't really work.
09:27:22 Devastator: in MTW you have to give a shit about what you're fighting, unless it's very low-level trash units.
09:27:28 syv: (I also basically never played the RTS mode where you command units, because I was bad at it)
09:27:55 Devastator: half the game, that. ;-p
09:28:28 syv: Miiight play into why I heavily abused a feature that is totally divorced from RTS.
09:30:51 Devastator: but yeah, I got whacked in a fight I was going to show off to
MJ, because the AI really abused a good unit it had.
09:31:05 Devastator: and by 'abused' I mean 'used mostly right.'
09:31:43 Devastator: they had some bonus stats on the spanish special fast/light cavalry.
09:31:49 Devastator: which makes for a crazy unit.
09:32:06 Devastator: anyway, extinction clear enough?
09:32:53 syv: Yeah, I posted before joining.
09:33:11 syv: I looked up M2TW assassins, and got a steam guide. Second paragraph:
09:33:14 syv: "Caution: Spamming excessive amounts of high quality agents can make the game ultra easy and ruin your overall enjoyment of the game. e.g. If a player prepares well enough and trains a large number of assassins to Master Assassin level before the Mongol and Timurid invasions it is possible to wipe out both factions by character assassination alone without fighting a single battle against them."
09:33:33 syv: So I guess it hadn't actually been a bad idea.
09:34:24 Devastator: You can't really do that with assassins in MTW because it costs too much to get good ones. They cost about as much as a couple units of heavy knights, with all the agent spam you need to level them up
09:34:38 Devastator: also if you fail a target it gets much harder to kill.
09:35:45 Devastator: There is a cheap way to burn through people with a high-level Inquisitor, preferably from Castille which gives bonuses to them, but that takes big buildings and only works on catholics, and running into one guy with like 10 piety will stop you cold.
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