02:59:53 Devastator: time to do "Up" for real.
03:00:53 ER: I don't think there's even a mini kitchen in boring girl's apartment, the only reason for that question was that I wanted to stop writing
03:01:53 Devastator: not having a mini kitchen would be less boring than there being one.
03:27:05 GameServ:
ER rolled 1d100: 69 <Total: 69>
03:27:22 Devastator: Nope, that's a miss.
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04:07:46 syv: Roguelike mod put her in the Abyss.
04:08:07 syv: Where her invisibility is horrible because there is no snow, and no frame of reference whatsoever.
04:08:12 syv: I think it was teleporting her too.
04:08:21 syv: I wouldn't have if I knew it would happen!
04:32:54 Devastator: and heya
syv. Cards will be late tomorrow.
04:33:16 syv: Yeah, I saw your response but still didn't intuitively understand the rules.
04:33:17 Devastator: got a plan to keep them from taking forever.
04:33:24 Devastator: so you'll end up playing a couple-three hands.
04:33:28 syv: Kinda just went "eh" and gor distracted by souls.
04:33:54 syv: I'm actually interested in it. I like the game, and it's unfamiliar so makes it interesting to decide what to do.
04:34:23 Devastator: well, you're trying to make runs of suits, which are weird and abnormal in ordinary cards.
04:34:36 Devastator: but with six suits, it's more interesting.
04:34:57 syv: On my first read I had thought the face values played into the suit mechanics.
04:34:59 Devastator: plus in-universe everyone knows fire beats earth.
04:35:11 syv: But it seems they're totally indepedant?
04:35:49 Devastator: ugh, don't know simple way to explain it, but I'll try.
04:36:25 Devastator: basically you check for how many chains you can make with each card.
04:36:46 Devastator: each chain of two, ie, the card and the suit it beats, is two points. Longer chains give more points.
04:36:57 syv: Ehhhh, don't try and explain it now.
04:37:12 syv: I'll look again and try to understand it, then ask more precise questions.
04:37:20 syv: I think I basically have it, just a little bit wrong.
04:37:33 Devastator: I did rewrite the rules.
04:37:37 Devastator: so they should make more sense now.
04:38:33 Devastator: huh, interesting, early votes for don't tell parents in ascent.
04:42:41 Devastator: and the 'finally' was related to someone making the 'recognize Talent' check.
04:44:48 Devastator: there's been like 12 of those, all needing 6 on a d6.
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04:52:58 Devastator: also, there's two vids on Brutha's empra channel.
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04:55:35 ER: K6BD now has a big text over the new page saying that it's super spoilery and if you're new to the comic you shouldn't look
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04:56:35 ER: SUPREME DIVINE ART: BLOOD-SATED SWORD SOUL
04:56:53 MidJag_: So what've people been up to?
04:57:02 Devastator: also, No More Emps unless the zero tolerance policy ends.
04:57:24 syv: Today, I played the Dark Souls roguelike mod.
04:57:59 Devastator: doesn't seem too spoilery a page.
04:58:18 MidJag_: I'm back home watching my familys dogs while they help my twin brother move.
04:58:26 syv: Protagonist gets naked and cut up by infinite sword works
04:59:15 Devastator: also, WE MISSED A PLANNED THIRD KITTEN PLAYS A CHILDREN'S CARD GAME.
04:59:57 MidJag_: I mean who wouldn't want to get naked before casting infini swords
05:00:21 Devastator: Yeah, I'm not sure either.
05:00:24 syv: Before being hit by infinite swords, you mean.
05:00:26 Devastator: might be an author thing, yeah.
05:00:33 Devastator: ahh, nah, I got it.
05:00:43 Devastator: the whole body-merge thing involved clothing destruction.
05:00:43 MidJag_: All the better, gotta keep the wound from being contaminated~
05:00:46 Devastator: remember, she was big.
05:01:10 ER: hmm, but the afterimage of alison behind AC still had the dress
05:02:06 Devastator: I don't write the magic rules.
05:02:33 Devastator: also, I really hope the battle in 30 part 2 didn't have Brutha running the Custodes, because he's kinda crap at warhams.
05:02:59 MidJag_: I've never actually read K6bd
05:04:05 Devastator: It's not bad, but it's more art than writing.
05:04:12 Devastator: although the drinking game is something I"ll not soon forget.
05:04:24 ER: it's like half big dumb fight scene
05:04:24 MidJag_: Oh? I'm now intrigued~
05:04:51 MidJag_: The drinking game part at least.
05:05:32 Devastator: but not enough big dumb fight scene.
05:05:40 Devastator: and a little more 'I'm just making this up'
05:05:52 MidJag_: How does the drinking game work?
05:06:09 Devastator: You'd understand it.
05:06:36 Devastator: She's a sorority sister, and has to outdrink some big demon to make it escort her and her buddy to safety.
05:06:47 Devastator: big demon underestimates how much she can drink.
05:08:02 Devastator: Unfortunately, everything is just a bit less good than it should be.
05:08:09 Devastator: anyway, I need to book it soon, can't stay up late tonight.
05:08:13 Devastator: want to watch something.
05:09:17 syv: So when you have multiple of a suit, each card adds +1 to all "later" cards that are in that same suit?
05:09:38 Devastator: if you have two, the lower one gets +1.
05:09:45 syv: I.E. if I have 3 Earths, the first earth gives the next two +1, then the second gives the third +1, which is a total of +3
05:09:59 Devastator: I changed how it's written to make that obvious.
05:10:01 Devastator: but that's how it works.
05:10:06 syv: If two of the colds have the same value, does that change anything?
05:10:17 Devastator: You're playing with only one deck, so that doesn't happen.
05:10:43 Devastator: hence why I'm going to make a deck so I can deal this much easier.
05:15:08 syv: Amusingly, that was actually my first interpretation of that line.
05:15:15 syv: Then I reread it and decided that was wrong.
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05:19:37 syv: Hmm. So, a simple way to describe the suit system would be that each card gets +2 points for every card belonging to a suit lower in the chain?
05:20:14 syv: So, for the value of water, it doesn't matter if I have 3 fire 1 cold 1 water, or 1 fire 3 cold 1 water.
05:20:25 Devastator: No, that's not true.
05:20:47 Devastator: if you have 3 fire, one water, and one wind, the wind only gets 4 for one chain of 3.
05:20:58 Devastator: the water gets six for three chains.
05:21:23 Devastator: replace fire with cold there.
05:22:31 syv: If I had 2 cold, 2 water, 1 wind, would wind score 8?
05:23:18 syv: Okay, so each card beaten one suit "down" can only... 'carry' the value of one card beneath it?
05:23:49 syv: I guess with onlt five cards per hand, such edge cases aren't very relevant.
05:27:16 Devastator: it's very much easier with cards in front of you.
05:27:23 Devastator: do you have a bunch of.. things?
05:27:29 Devastator: like anything you have five of?
05:27:53 syv: I could write on a piece of paper and cut it apart.
05:28:02 Devastator: Nah, if you have paper can you put lines on it?
05:28:11 Devastator: like to make six segments?
05:28:25 Devastator: okay, make six segments.
05:29:00 syv: This printer gets very mad at me taking paper out of it.
05:29:43 Devastator: Okay. Label them at the bottom with the suits in order.
05:29:52 Devastator: Fire // Cold // Water // Wind // Lightning // Earth.
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05:30:25 Devastator: now put one dot in each one according to its suit, but put them in a line. Like the first card in all suits are right next to each other.
05:30:35 Devastator: the second one is above the first, but clearly making a second position.
05:31:10 MidJag_:
dev you made a card game?
05:31:33 syv: We should play it some time~
05:31:36 Devastator: it doesn't work if you have one for each suit with these rules. ;-p
05:31:44 Devastator: but you can lay out your five dots.
05:32:13 Devastator: anyway, you measure it by putting your fingers on each card in turn, and 'reading' the left side, for how many and how long the complete lines to the left of it are.
05:32:37 Devastator: so for Fire // Cold // Water, the water has one line of 2 next to it, and no others.
05:32:59 Devastator: for Fire // Fire // Cold // Water, there's still one line of two, because the second line has a blank space next to it.
05:33:26 Devastator: but for that second example, the cold has two lines of 1.
05:33:37 syv: And then the suit's value, determined by counting lines of dots, is multiplied by the number of cards in that suit?
05:33:56 Devastator: no, no multiplication. You're just adding up the number of lines.
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05:34:13 Devastator: like, for the F // C // W, there's two dots in the one line, so +4 points.
05:34:25 Devastator: then you do that for each of the five cards.
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05:35:07 Devastator: Values don't come into it.
05:35:17 syv: FCWWW would be +0+2+4*3= 14?
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05:35:35 Devastator: yeah. Three W cards, each getting 4 points.
05:35:39 Devastator: you can do it that way, yeah.
05:36:29 syv: Thaaaat's what wasn't following, for me. It was unintuitive that each row needs to be unbroken, since the final column isn't considered as part of the row.
05:37:30 Devastator: Yeah. If you had the cards, it's really obvious and easy to see.
05:37:35 Devastator: but it's hard to describe in words.
05:38:56 Devastator: since I'm describing cards that don't exist.
05:39:02 Devastator: it's like juggling while blind.
05:39:36 ER: that's when you gotta bust out the mspaint
05:39:49 syv: Or talk someone else through drawing in MS paint
05:40:01 Devastator: this really calls for making a set and doing it in video.
05:41:59 syv: What I'm struggling with is writing down rules for it in plain words, without just describing all possible cases.
05:42:27 syv: It's a little unnecessary now, since I get it, but I was rewriting the rules myself to make sure I understood.
05:42:47 Devastator: if you have a good summary I'll steal it mercilessly.
05:42:55 Devastator: and could be convinced to hand out extra chips for that.
05:47:21 syv: "If you have a chain of ordered suits, every card gains +2 for each card in the suit it beats, and +2 for each suit that is beneath the beaten suit in the chain. Special case: if the beaten suit has two cards within it, and itself beats a suit with two cards, the card at the top gains an extra +2 (for +8 total)."
05:47:56 MidJag: I shall approach this like I approach all poker, get really drunk and only kinda rember the hands
05:51:13 syv: Not really reasonable,
MJ, because in this card game there's four separate sources of points which must be totaled.
05:51:26 syv: It was probably invented in-universe to fleece drunken people~
05:56:32 MidJag: I can be surprisingly dangerous at poker because my friends know I don't try very hard at poker.
05:56:36 syv: I don't drink. So I won't be fleeced.
05:56:49 syv: I'm getting our fucking greatsword back, damn it.
05:56:58 Devastator: I thought that'd cheese you.
05:57:15 Devastator: that's not bad, but doesn't seem quite right. Hmm.
05:57:22 Devastator: well, then, don't go gambling while you have no money!
05:57:34 Devastator: There was a whole other encoutner ready for 'continue exploring the city.'
05:58:00 syv: It's not correct, but it's functionally indistinguishable from correct in practice.
05:58:12 Devastator: and really, you did roll badly or Trence would have hocked something like the vial.
05:58:29 syv: It'd only be wrong if you had seven cards in a hand.
05:58:59 syv: Assuming, of course, I'm not misunderstanding myself.
05:59:03 Devastator: it also doesn't clearly state the +6 for having say Water // Water // Water // Wind // Earth.
05:59:36 syv: Earth beats lightning, yes?
05:59:37 Devastator: it's three chains of one.
06:00:11 Devastator: I used earth as the fifth card because it doesn't add anything.
06:00:41 syv: "every card gains +2 for each card in the suit it beats"
06:01:02 Devastator: gotta be a better way to explain it.
06:01:18 Devastator: I'm sure there's some proper way to write it in the felt somewhere.
06:01:46 syv: Maybe! I suspect I'm looking at it from a totally different perspective than you are.
06:02:05 Devastator: really, ugh, it's so easy when I'm moving bits around to see how it works, but ugh.
06:02:09 Devastator: so hard to put into words.
06:02:33 Devastator: anyway, I gotta check off, need to work early tomorrow.
06:02:38 Devastator: and thanks for the help.
06:02:46 Devastator: I'll update Extinction after I've made the deck of cards.
06:03:04 Devastator: I really don't want to use a list of numbers for the other hands.
06:03:06 syv: Can we discard after betting? This turn?
06:03:15 Devastator: it has to go the rest of the way around.
06:03:27 Devastator: there's five players.
06:03:40 Devastator: yeah, finish betting // discard + draw, more betting.
06:03:46 Devastator: then a second round.
06:03:55 Devastator: then I'll go rig it so that we do maybe two, three more hands.
06:04:16 Devastator: and drop it, because unless you're really into it, this isn't Forum Poker Simulator, the game.
06:04:24 Devastator: this is JRPG the game.
06:04:33 Devastator: and, dagnabbit, there are so many casinos in JRPGs.
06:08:47 MidJag: Actually a JRPG was my first introduction to like gambling card games
06:09:06 MidJag: And actually gambling games in general.
06:09:49 MidJag: Actually wait, that's not true, it was a rod dahl book that was the first introduction
06:12:29 MidJag: The JRPG was the second
06:26:50 MidJag: Anyway, I should go to bed.
07:06:42 syv: I decided, foolishly, to calculate out the chances of a return for discarding the second cold.
07:08:28 syv: 10:36 of gaining some amount of suit points (ignoring face value and face matches)
07:09:09 syv: 7:36 of losing 1 or 2 points.
07:10:18 syv: And the remainder we lose 3-5.
07:10:41 syv: ...But we have 6:36 of gaining over ten points immediately.
07:12:51 syv: 10:13:13, when the payouts are +++++/-/--
07:13:05 syv: With further possible correction next round.
07:13:55 syv: The issue is, all I can say is that this is a safe decent hand.
07:14:14 syv: I can't say it's *good* because I don't really know how common it is.
07:14:28 Devastator: New game for you guys, so there's no way I'm going to tell you that.
07:14:50 Devastator: You know my ability at estimation,
syv.
07:15:08 Devastator: and what makes you think I've only done one hand?
07:15:21 syv: I estimate your ability at estimation to be only decent in this case.
07:15:48 syv: I *think* we're probably well off no matter what because we have two nines.
07:16:43 syv: Then comes the thought that maybe we should raise... but I'm not really interested in money beyond what's needed to get our GS back.
07:17:16 ER: nah, we need to clear them out of chips
07:17:22 syv:
Devastator, *can* we raise?
07:17:24 ER: to unlock the secret greed GS
07:18:35 Devastator: blinds are after you, and they're 10/25
07:20:30 Devastator: You gotta die to save/load.
07:20:38 Devastator: (you don't, but eh.)
07:21:33 Devastator: you can't afford a bomb.
07:28:48 ER: surely we have like 20 in our pockets from random loot
07:31:29 Devastator: I don't measure things in GP anymore. ;-p
07:32:10 ER:
dev, I never use anything in RPGs
07:32:34 ER: so at any given moment I completely expect to have some bombs in my pockets
07:32:37 Devastator: no, I haven't been offering battle loot.
07:36:23 Devastator: oh, hey, more Stupid Dwarf Tricks with Pokémon.
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