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01:18:29 Devastator: well, stabs we get.
01:29:56 Devastator: I do hope fleshwarper doesn't work on the titan.
01:30:10 ER: well, it's genetically human
01:30:12 Devastator: "The problem clearly is that the titan isn't also a dragon."
01:35:50 ER: I'm not really sure why I brought that thing, it seems more like liability than anything, but it might be useful at some point???
01:39:38 Devastator: I'm sure there's stuff it can be used for.
01:39:51 Devastator: ..you're not Tricmagic and utterly intent on destroying the game. ;-p
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05:24:02 Devastator: mmm, you around tonight,
syv?
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09:50:36 syv: Super late, but I'm around now. Looking at Extinction.
09:54:03 Devastator: lots of nothing there.
09:54:19 Devastator: 'a utility item' is a bit vague.
09:55:50 syv: I want to see the current inventory of healing items.
09:56:12 syv: Potions and smelling salts and such. That's a much better place to spend money than weapons.
10:00:18 syv: What's a restore potion do, again?
10:01:29 Devastator: Arngrim used one to reset having sixteen-ish debuffs in one go.
10:02:35 syv: Arngrim used a mute debuff, right?
10:03:23 Devastator: I don't think he had one of those, actually.
10:03:47 syv: Ohh, it was mana drain, right.
10:08:57 syv: I should check myself on that sword
10:10:00 Devastator: it's rare on monsters.
10:10:11 Devastator: people have it more often.
10:10:34 Devastator: that witch with the drown spell would have had a mute one too.
10:10:41 syv: Not unreasonable to get targeted by it.
10:10:47 Devastator: probably a couple of other people you've seen have had it.
10:10:50 syv: Can we switch equipment in-combat?
10:11:01 Devastator: Yes. Takes one turn by whoever is swtiching.
10:11:20 syv: What I _really_ want is better survivability for Willis.
10:11:26 Devastator: ..do note the cload doesn't cure being muted.
10:12:39 syv: But we have two people it's valuable to mute after the first round or two.
10:12:52 syv: So we'd almost certainly have time, unless it's a full-party mute.
10:13:35 syv: Can someone wear both element resist rings?
10:14:19 Devastator: I don't think so, actually.
10:14:46 Devastator: (everyone would do it if they could stack.)
10:15:10 Devastator: (IIRC, they actually count as 'rings of elemental armour', which is a specific spell effect.)
10:15:10 syv: Hm? More specialized accessories seem better.
10:15:23 Devastator: double-resist to all common elements is very nice.
10:15:50 syv: We have two pairs of those and they're out of combat only.
10:16:08 syv: Is there any benefit to having Sessha use an accessory slot on them?
10:16:20 syv: And is there any benefit to having more than one pair?
10:17:34 Devastator: if she ends up in combat while wearing them, they take up an accessory slot.
10:18:09 Devastator: You can change that for something else, but I'll try to have her be smart about things.
10:18:16 Devastator: and no, no benefit to having two pairs.
10:18:42 Devastator: mind you, unless you put the cloak on her, the second best accessory is another +10 HP amulet, and Sessha doesn't need that.
10:20:06 syv: Does the +10 HP accessory give +10 *max* HP during battle, IE it can be healed up to?
10:20:22 syv: Or just 10 ablative HP to weaken the first hit?
10:22:12 syv: Ugh, accessories vary SO MUCH in value
10:22:27 syv: Haste boots and the web shooters are _amazing_
10:22:37 Devastator: it's +10 current and max HP.
10:22:50 Devastator: you can heal up to that.
10:22:52 syv: Ooo, that's better than I thought.
10:23:04 Devastator: Haste boots cost FIVE UPGRADES.
10:23:06 syv: Makes me suspect it's better to put on Willis than the elemental armor.
10:23:12 Devastator: that's more than elixers.
10:23:34 Devastator: yeah, that's a one-turn backstab.
10:23:53 syv: That's like giving ourselves a second copy of our strongest unit
10:24:18 syv: Or, agh, Trence with Haste. Would that double the per-turn cost of dragon form?
10:24:20 Devastator: mmm, I think some of that was already sold.
10:24:28 Devastator: it wouldn't, actually.. ;-p
10:25:19 Devastator: but yeah, the spare weapons weren't
10:25:52 syv: Trence does use a lot of mana as a dragon. His best move is the AoE breath, and hasting that... is very strong, but would drain his mana right quick.
10:25:54 Devastator: I think metal and mana potions are 3/upgrade, but I'll have to do a roll to see if soemthing in particular is expensive here.
10:26:07 Devastator: also note that with Haste you only get one tiring move every other turn.
10:26:33 syv: Not a big deal for me, I've never been that addicted to backstab. ;P
10:26:42 Devastator: Trence's breath weapons are tiring.
10:26:57 Devastator: they're really, really nice all the same.
10:27:13 syv: Wait, by "every other turn" do you mean once a... round?
10:27:42 Devastator: T1, use tiring ability // is tired, uses normal ability.
10:27:43 syv: Like, could Trence power slash, slash, every turn where Willis takes one action? If Trence were hasted?
10:27:51 Devastator: T2, still tired, so normal ability // normal ability.
10:28:06 Devastator: Carina had a berzerk spell that let her do a tiring move every turn.
10:28:17 syv: Well, Sessha is still crazy good with it.
10:29:00 syv: Costs our entire budget... but that'd be something which is very good for the rest of the game.
10:29:53 Devastator: I'm glad I priced it so well.
10:29:56 syv: A taunt accessory might also be valuable...
10:30:14 Devastator: there are some skills that help that way.
10:30:20 syv: Well that makes that choice simple.
10:31:27 Devastator: also, going to try for any more spells? Skill upgrades?
10:31:31 Devastator: those cost money too.
10:31:49 Devastator: Yeah. In the past you had training subsidized.
10:32:17 Devastator: Trence and Willis's initial training was subsidized by that Klamati temple and Sessha's savings.
10:32:27 Devastator: but she isn't going to come up with any more free upgrades.
10:32:52 syv: That depends SO MUCH on what we can even get
10:33:14 syv: Like if Willis can go to two spells with a mana-up accessory, that'd win over utility spells.
10:33:39 syv: But if he can get some nice utility spells to use up the rest of his mana otherwise, then it'd be great.
10:34:16 syv: Trence... might benefit, he spends a lot of time on basic skills.
10:34:26 syv: Willis with Power Shot or something would also be nice?
10:35:07 Devastator: you could learn something like Power Shot, yeah.
10:35:15 syv: Swapping Sessha's armor-all for a chunky single-target buff would be great. Hell, maybe she could get haste.
10:35:29 syv: Which would instantly be far better than haste boots, due to Battle Aura.
10:35:31 Devastator: You can swap armour-all for armour-one if you want, that one's easy.
10:35:53 Devastator: you're at items this action.
10:36:21 Devastator: yeah. I'll sit on it for a day, see if anyone +1s it.
10:36:24 syv: Shouldn't be just me choosing, though the odds that people argue is low...
10:36:57 Devastator: Zultan and
NJW are both pushing for +4, and I would ask them if the already around +4 weapon is okay in the list of options.
10:37:21 Devastator: so I'll probably include those in the update in any case.
10:37:30 Devastator: and if there's any +5s around.
10:38:41 Devastator: Thanks for the post.
10:39:21 syv: Should I be more specific?
10:39:29 syv: Right now my post is just "ask for information"
10:39:38 syv: With the OOC stuff providing information for other players.
10:40:00 syv: Like I'm saying to sell a bunch more stuff, but it's not bolded; I'm asking for input and discussion.
10:40:36 Devastator: It's enough for the post, and I'm okay with taking a few posts to sort out what gear you buy, exactly.
10:41:25 syv: Selling cold weather gear and replacing Sessha's ACCs with element armor and haste would be a solid plan. Leaves Trence and Willis--the two vulnerable chars--with the life protection, which is better than I thought.
10:43:49 Devastator: yes, though, Trence only pays dragon form upkeep every turn, not twice a turn if hasted.
10:43:59 syv: The only downside of Web Shooters is that it makes our squishiest unit valuable enough to want more protection, which he'd get from... the accessory slot filled by web shooters. :P
10:44:20 syv: Buying a berserk skill for Trence is another idea.
10:44:35 Devastator: I'd have to roll for that one.
10:44:46 Devastator: Power Shot or something like that is easy enough that I'd be sure it's possible.
10:44:46 syv: But yeah, something tiring for Willis is prolly the safest choice.
10:44:58 Devastator: Berzerk as a skill seems rarer so I'd put a roll on it.
10:45:30 syv: Would berzerk work with battle aura?
10:46:21 Devastator: Berzerk as a spell would.
10:46:24 Devastator: as a skill would not.
10:46:57 Devastator: also, it might be available on consumables.
10:47:30 syv: Yeah, thinking about Alice too.
10:47:58 Devastator: Alice will have full gear.
10:48:16 Devastator: Alice will also have skills/spells.
10:48:22 syv: Self-buff for a battle aura user is something that would be better to do after we have her.
10:48:27 syv: Skills in general would be.
10:48:41 syv: There's lots of ways we could do something redundant with her.
10:49:01 syv: Haste boots... are basically only redundant with another source of haste.
10:49:15 Devastator: Alice could have a haste spell. ;-p
10:49:16 syv: Which seems very unlikely, barring a learnable haste spell.
10:49:26 syv: She's not a primary caster?
10:49:49 syv: I thought she was supposed to be a fighter, even less magical than Sessha.
10:50:34 Devastator: Alice is a soldier.
10:50:48 Devastator: and you have seen soldiers use a group haste spell before.
10:51:16 Devastator: The possibilities are different from each other.
10:51:28 Devastator: but you have seen haste-as-spell cast.
10:51:50 syv: Yeah, I've just been expecting Alice to be stabby, not casty.
10:53:05 Devastator: just one more thing.
10:53:47 Devastator: don't worry too much about Alice in general.
10:53:50 Devastator: Alice will work out.
10:54:39 Devastator: The options are all stuff that'll work with the party.
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