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02:37:08 Devastator: got a misread there.
02:37:14 Devastator: AP is useful against extra armour.
02:37:36 Devastator: the kaiju rolls d(strength+2), not d(Strength) +2 with extra armour.
02:38:32 Devastator: natural damage was hit-or miss, but it could hit for big damage. AP did a lot of it, but power did the occasional heavy hit, which really simplified some fights.
02:39:08 Devastator: power is hit-or miss, but sometimes hit pretty big. AP did most of the overall damage, but it didn't add much at a time.
02:39:57 syv: Yeah, that's what it looks like. Which makes AP look like a much better investment... though that depends a lot on how R&D costs work.
02:40:31 ER: and this is why the mechanics weren't explained during the game~
02:40:33 syv: It also makes it seem like unit spam _was_ a pretty good idea... just not with artillery.
02:40:35 Devastator: high AP was more expensive than power.
02:40:57 Devastator: nah, big power can matter. 1/3 odds of doing like six damage at a go? That works.
02:41:18 Devastator: anyway, I'll answer in-thread.
02:41:25 Devastator: including what exotics do.
02:41:33 Devastator: and yeah, that's pretty much it,
ER ;-p
02:42:09 ER: but what if we tried MORE POWER
02:42:51 Devastator: sometimes it worked out big. I think one of those gunbug swarms threw up a 5 damage hit once.
02:43:43 syv: I'd have to run the numbers, but it strikes me that getting a reliable 2 damage per turn is easier than 6 every three. And the former is significantly better.
02:44:33 Devastator: and it did cost more in research.
02:45:11 syv: Moreover, damage shifts things farther into luck, which... well, that's beneficial if you're trying to punch up, but I hate luck.
02:45:21 syv: This does make those T-55s amazing.
02:46:08 syv: ...Or, no, misremembered. F AP, not E. Aw.
02:49:38 syv: Those infantry that killed a kaiju with -/F AP small arms really did get stupid lucky.
02:50:19 Devastator: Yes, although that was down to one strength.
02:50:33 Devastator: so it was stage up, and then a 1 on 1d1.
02:50:39 Devastator: ie, not THAT lucky.
02:53:25 ER: anyways, now I want to create an RTD about being extradimensional librarians with book magics
02:53:53 ER: appologies for my continuing creativity
02:54:21 Devastator: what happened to the birb?
02:54:50 Devastator: (that's enough answers for today,
syv. Feel free to ask, but I want to update Extinction, too.)
02:59:25 Devastator: I do hope it explains why I couldn't give you a simple answer about exotics.
03:01:39 Devastator: they're not the same as normal research.
03:01:49 syv: Next extinction update needs status sheets for all the characters, too.
03:04:54 syv: That... still seems like a really bad deal for exotics. But I'd need to see the actual pricing, I guess.
03:05:30 syv: One thing it would do is allow S grade stats at B research time, which would be achievable AND excessively powerful.
03:05:44 Devastator: well, you can use them for things like 75 cost batches of crazy good consumables.
03:05:50 Devastator: and the other route is stuff like that.
03:05:53 Devastator: S grades for B time.
03:07:34 Devastator: also, it made outranging kaiju much more reasonable.
03:09:03 syv: Looking at D->B AP, that _is_ a nice deal.
03:09:07 ER: not as good as simply spending two years making fragile catgirls though
03:09:25 ER: with really high speed which doesn't contribute to defense at all
03:09:44 syv: Considering three units with D AP, that's 6 rolls for <2, and 3 for <3.
03:10:15 syv: Or... 2 rolls for <3, 3 < 3, and 2<2
03:11:35 syv: Would an entirely exotic unit have +2 in every single category?
03:14:14 Devastator: No, it's two in whatever catgories seem most powerful.
03:14:22 Devastator: or 1 and 1, but that's rarely useful.
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03:15:31 Devastator: you can do multiples if you like have a gun and a chassis. And ammunition, say.
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03:28:56 er: Also feeling tired, and also considering book based magic system
03:38:02 er: Was this your plan, you sneaky bastard OS?
03:42:16 er: Alright, I feel bad, going to bed
03:43:07 Devastator: still writing extinction, btw.
04:00:12 Devastator: going to be a second TBC.
04:06:47 Devastator: lists current status along with the new accessories, which should be helpful if you want to change equipment.
04:14:27 Devastator: anyway, I hope you're getting enough k-com stuff so far.
04:47:47 Devastator: well, it's my overcomplicated silly game.
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05:24:13 er: Next complicated game should be about conquering an information age civilization
05:24:53 er: Without calling for too much help ap got get to keep as much of the planet and glory to yourself as possible
05:29:36 syv: What power level for the player civ?
05:33:08 Devastator: x-com: The Invaders, eh?
05:33:49 syv: XCOM 2 is basically ex-com.
05:35:53 Devastator: maybe that would be a game for fearwolf,
syv. ;-p
05:37:11 Devastator: you know me and excessive goals.
05:37:42 syv: A magical conquering the planet isn'r unreasonable in the slightest. Though yes, excessive.
05:37:54 syv: ...Might be a little unreasonable with low Love.
05:38:26 syv: Though that also seems like you.
05:38:54 syv: "I will dump the stat that is most typically and obviously useful to my goal."
05:39:11 Devastator: Nah, it wouldn't be your system.
05:39:21 Devastator: It'd be some other char.
05:40:00 Devastator: could be a MG who made that wish, or something else, really.
05:40:04 er: Are any of our party good at Love, actually
05:40:34 Devastator:
syv said it's pretty good, actually.
05:40:44 Devastator: not super combat useful, but a crit success is basically permanent mind control
05:40:46 er: Think ada'a cursed, sophia's mediocre...
05:41:31 syv: I don't think I said _permanent_, but it's certainly short term mind control, and long term good relations.
05:42:16 syv: And yeah, I buffed charisma because NPCs are terribly weak compared to the PCs.
05:42:40 syv: And it doesn't work on other magical girls, not even NPC ones.
05:43:00 er: Would be more like a dnd "charm" than like my literal mind control, right?
05:43:49 syv: Your mind control is like picking a dog up and physically shoving it into the kennel.
05:44:05 syv: Love is just being impossibly good at training dogs.
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05:47:15 Devastator: mmm, so no more RE:Zero then?
05:47:46 Devastator: well, we're all here.
05:47:54 MidJag: Ah, unfortunelly it's gonna be a drive by
MJ tonight
05:48:56 MidJag: Yeah. Also apperentlly when I play poker I laugh like a mad scientist.
05:49:31 er: That's the opposite of how you're supposed to play poker,
mj
05:49:38 Devastator: if you do it all the time it'll work.
05:50:20 syv: "It was impossible to read him, because he was just always happy to be playing with the group. Just always smiling and laughing, regardless of his hand."
05:50:26 MidJag: My poker strategy is never stop smiling and lauhging.
05:50:40 MidJag: And that pretty much is it.
05:51:04 Devastator: but yeah, that's predictable.
05:53:01 Devastator: "but the soviet union would not be the soviet union if the decision made after losing the first two prototype aircraft due to accidents was not to approve said design for serial production."
05:53:53 Devastator: someone's video on the Tupolev TU-22.
05:54:11 Devastator: but of course, it didn't matter in the end if it actually worked or not, it was just there to "show the flag".
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05:54:41 MidJag: I really don't know much about it.
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05:55:26 Devastator: No, it's a rubbish plane.
05:56:12 Devastator: It's got the reliability of an ultralight italian car with the performance of a russian one.. in the category of supersonic bombers.
05:57:03 MidJag: I can only see good things in that planes future
05:59:46 MidJag: It's a song by the aviators in the style of lovecraft
06:00:02 Devastator: ..is that the right word?
06:00:09 Devastator: I don't think lovecraft was a musician or composer.
06:00:21 ER: when our bodies wash ashore, sorrow's children nevermore?
06:00:37 MidJag: Eh, it's about a lovecraft thing? But in song form. not sure how to describe it.
06:02:34 Devastator: "inspired by", maybe?
06:02:46 MidJag: Inspired by is probably the right word.
06:05:42 syv: Aviators has done a number of those.
06:33:08 MidJag: Welp, I'm going to bed.
06:52:42 ER: well, it's a little sad that
mj's going to bed, since the next update will be for him
08:06:37 ER: would be much better if nobody knew what was happening anywhere, cly
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