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04:21:05 Devastator: I'll do a little more k-com tonight, but not too much.
04:21:10 Devastator: just busy. So much stuff to do.
04:22:52 sy: Don't stress too much over KCom. Again, it's fun, but your well-being's more important.
04:23:44 Devastator: I think the next turn to process is a mad scientist.
04:24:06 syv: They're simple, aren't they?
04:24:40 Devastator: I do need to look up the current project, roll dice, and check how escape-happy it is now.
04:27:10 Devastator: got infected in Cataclysm, but apparently the dice were with me and the antibiotics beat it.
04:28:09 syv: I recall infections just being terribly stubborn and dangerous.
04:28:46 Devastator: unless you have one of the two insta-healing items.
04:29:09 Devastator: also, they apparently made the top-grade antibiotics actually reverse it, so it counts down rather than up.
04:29:23 Devastator: which means it won't linger long when you make the roll.
04:29:56 Devastator: Was amusing, though, there was a beehive on the map, and I drove over there to see if it was possible to get some royal jelly.
04:30:03 Devastator: and it cured while I was driving into bees.
04:33:11 syv: Did you ram a truck into their nest?
04:45:16 Devastator: and was just circling.
04:45:22 Devastator: trying to see if I could see a royal jelly.
04:49:27 Devastator: ..also, I need to install a lamp on top of the vehicle.
04:49:42 Devastator: the weather went bad close to base, and had to drive back in complete darkness.
04:51:05 Devastator: headlamps on the front break when you hit zombies with them.
04:51:19 Devastator: agg, but I can't just cut them off, I don't have a hacksaw.
04:54:54 Devastator: looking it up, you can actually install or remove them with just a screwdriver. Huh.
04:55:12 Devastator: ..I could just remove them before going zombie ramming.
04:58:30 syv: Didn't you find that your multitool could do that?
05:01:05 Devastator: no, it has 'metal sawing 1'
05:01:10 Devastator: you really want a hacksaw.
05:02:27 Devastator: they added another tool required.
05:03:58 Devastator: oh, no, that's okay.
05:04:08 Devastator: they added a tool required basically to install engines.
05:04:16 Devastator: you have to be able to pick up the big object.
05:05:38 syv: Or is there a tool that makes you strong?
05:05:39 Devastator: no, power armour is fine, heh.
05:05:55 Devastator: lots of strength would do, but it takes like 20 to install a 4 cylinder engine.
05:06:01 Devastator: unlikely to get up there.
05:06:20 syv: The answer to all Cataclysm's questions.
05:06:23 Devastator: drugs and like strength 14 wouldn't normally be enough.
05:06:50 Devastator: nah, making a boom crane isn't that hard. Takes a bunch of pipes specifically, but those are pretty easy to get, just bust a ton of lockers or mkae them from scrap.
05:07:26 Devastator: ugh, that's 40 power per pipe, so 32x40+20
05:08:14 Devastator: I need a forge. Looks like fabrication 3 and a bunch of steel to make that.
05:08:18 Devastator: you cna then make an anvil from that.
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05:09:16 Devastator: appparently you can make an anvil with just an awful lot of metal and a hammer.
05:09:32 Devastator: and you can make a sufficiently good hammer from a rock.
05:09:43 Devastator: and you can find rocks.
05:10:07 Devastator: I mean, we all like the Dwarf Fortress version, where an anvil is required to make an anvil. ;-p
05:12:09 syv: Hah. It would be amusing if that applied in Cata, too.
05:12:31 syv: "Just gotta drive around until you find a 'forge' building."
05:13:11 Devastator: I can't find a freaking hacksaw. ;-p
05:13:30 Devastator: that said, I did get a warning that my car is too heavy. I should dump some of my crap.
05:17:21 Devastator: Just carrying too much crap. I'll dump a bunch of nonperishable food.
05:17:28 Devastator: and the 30 units of wheat.
05:17:37 Devastator: and the construction tools.
05:54:35 Devastator: enough for tonight. That night slept, making it two days from the minimum HP torso.
05:54:43 Devastator: debug menu says.. it's now at 6/24 HP.
05:55:58 Devastator: rest of the body is mostly intact, healed a total of 12 HP that sleep.
05:58:10 syv: Why is healing so damn slow?
05:59:22 Devastator: My character has a 75% max HP debuff, and not particularly good first aid.
05:59:31 Devastator: if I had disinfectant, it'd go up about 50% faster.
05:59:52 Devastator: if I had 3 first aid, I could put average bandaging on wounds, which would be about another 10%.
05:59:56 Devastator: both would be up about two-thirds.
06:00:25 Devastator: so I'd have gained 9-ish HP instead of 5.
06:03:15 Devastator: healing used to be much faster because bandages just added HP.
06:03:37 Devastator: they changed it so that you now gain some healing while awake, but bandages only speed up healing not do it instantly.
06:21:07 Devastator: killed four guys in a row, but #5 got me.
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08:33:36 Devastator: enough of cataclysm today. There were a coupld of demons trying to help me clear the city, heh.
08:33:47 Devastator: they're apparently zombie-hostile.
08:34:02 Devastator: killed like forty Zs, but don't butcher the corpses so I had to do clean up.
08:34:13 Devastator: the gun store still seems to be so far away..
08:34:49 Devastator: did find a hacksaw.
09:00:07 syv: Demons? Like, named "Demon"?
09:00:22 syv: Or like the Lovecraft monsters...?
09:14:30 Devastator: they're lovecraftian monsters.
09:14:37 Devastator: and they're demons because they're represented by &
09:16:09 Devastator: They also hit for 4d6+6 with a 50% chance of scratching for 32 more damage.
09:16:24 Devastator: do remember, my char has a max HP count of 24.
09:19:30 syv: Never thought of them as demons, because I sorta know about their nature in Lovecraft.
09:21:35 Devastator: It's an &, it's a demon.
09:21:48 Devastator: They're not -too- bad alone.
09:21:56 Devastator: big enough they'll damage my car if I hit them, but worth doing.
09:22:09 Devastator: and if they're alone it's about two good gunshots to kill them.
09:22:24 Devastator: and by 'good' I mean 'rifle crits'
09:22:40 Devastator: well, no, not crits, rifle solid hits.
09:22:47 Devastator: a big rifle crit could one shot them.
09:23:03 Devastator: They're probably the most dangerous creatures a single rifle crit can kill.
09:23:09 Devastator: well, other than gun turrets.
09:23:44 Devastator: I have three shots left.
09:24:23 syv: I like how in modern Cata, the solution to a really dangerous monster is "ram it with a car".
09:24:58 syv: I remember when some dude was developing cars for it, just at random because why not. Forgot who it was.
09:25:13 syv: But it's such an awesome and notable mechanic.
09:27:14 syv: How would you feel about a few rounds of surviv?
09:37:38 Devastator: poke me when you're ok,
syv.
09:38:03 syv: Yeah, don't get beeped for normal messages.
09:38:55 syv: ...and then I get messaged by someone else. Sigh.
09:39:25 Devastator: you didn't actually poke me,
syv.
09:45:25 Devastator: I thought one of those two was you.
09:47:27 syv: We got separated at the end by like four teams.
09:47:33 syv: Which all tore each other apart.
09:47:46 syv: That last pair sucked, though.
09:52:52 syv: I was kitted out at the very start.
09:52:57 syv: And never got to shoot anyone.
09:53:07 Devastator: I got a team on my own with the base shotgun.
09:53:13 syv: My only kill was by shooting someone else's mine as he panic spammed them
09:59:37 syv: And of course you go on to make a godly kill by punching an M134 to death/
10:01:02 Devastator: Did not think I'd pull that out.
10:01:18 syv: After you took out the minigun I was confident.
10:01:20 Devastator: would have been so much easier had I not muffed my last 'nade.
10:01:29 Devastator: that last guy could have murdered me.
10:01:43 syv: Yeah, but that's most Surviv players.
10:02:34 Devastator: I will give some credit for being scared in that situation. ;-p
10:02:41 Devastator: understandable being intimidated there.
10:03:23 Devastator: can't stop after that round.
10:03:35 Devastator: and where were the mines?
10:10:40 Devastator: meleed a guy for it.
10:10:52 syv: You have 8 kills and 583 damage.
10:10:55 Devastator: bad, bad place to use it in a bar.
10:11:14 Devastator: just don't use it indoors, it sucks indoors.
10:11:40 Devastator: had a buddy with a UMP. Classic case of one good weapon for the whole team.
10:11:57 Devastator: good job at the start.
10:12:04 Devastator: how'd that go down? They ahd some nasty guns.
10:12:23 syv: Ah, first guy had nothing, I grabbed the DP from under him, he grapped the ammo.
10:12:41 syv: I tried to shoot, he punched me, I punched, won a little, he ran, I shot, he took cover.
10:12:43 Devastator: and won the punch fight?
10:12:55 syv: Buddy came up with some kinda AR, nearly killed me
10:13:35 syv: I skirmished a little and fled upwards, took cover and healed.
10:13:35 Devastator: yeah, I found a gold beach crate, was worried I wouldn't get there in time.
10:13:39 syv: I'm not good at punching really, I just got lucky.
10:13:56 syv: The DP is really quite nice though.
10:14:06 Devastator: I'm not a fan. You're good with it.
10:14:15 Devastator: They're pretty weak stat-wise.
10:14:19 syv: Does decent damage, accurate enough in bursts, amazing if they aren't good at ammo conservation.
10:14:38 syv: I've found that it's really good to keep pressure.
10:14:59 syv: Shoot a little, either they run or shoot back, if they shoot back they'll have to reload first.
10:15:07 syv: And I tend to be better at evading shots.
10:15:38 syv: I play a LOT of skirmishing with you, and it's good for that.
10:15:57 Devastator: most people aren't that good at evasion.
10:16:22 Devastator: did lose to a very, very good player earlier.
10:16:31 Devastator: evaded six pairs of dual shotty shells.
10:16:52 Devastator: got me with the seventh, once he had time to think up a plan.
10:17:25 Devastator: I am amused at getting two melee kills of a guy with a M134 in consecutive rounds.
10:17:37 Devastator: that last one wasn't anything special, guy was indoors and I had a sledgehammer.
10:17:39 syv: I think there's a rate up.
10:18:04 syv: And people don't know how to use it, beyond "murder everything".
10:18:06 Devastator: nah, you can get one from a bar underground crate, about one in twenty times.
10:18:09 syv: Which, to be fair, is effective.
10:18:18 syv: We've had soooo many of them lately, though.
10:18:20 Devastator: The other one was from a stone crate, which is about 10%.
10:18:48 Devastator: that first one was good, though. I could not believe I got it.
10:18:53 Devastator: Did not think that was winnable.
10:20:31 syv: Especially with you being so low on resources.
10:20:52 syv: I hit spectate and you were in the red zone, wounded, charging a guy with a minigun and several allies around him.
10:21:17 syv: ...And then you walk up to him and punch and you're done.
10:21:24 syv: Only other guy who's a danger runs away.
10:21:38 Devastator: You missed the skirmishing with a guy to the left.
10:21:43 syv: And you just wait until some idiot bleeds out in a basement.
10:21:49 Devastator: Yeah.. you think that guy saw it and wanted to surrender?
10:22:08 syv: I don't know. Maybe that was respect. Maybe that was because you had crap guns.
10:22:21 Devastator: There's nothing wrong with that combo!
10:22:26 syv: He was very low on health, so might've just thought "well, fuck it."
10:22:34 Devastator: the green semiauto gun is fine, just not great, and the dual-shotty is fine.
10:22:46 syv: I love the green semiauto,
10:22:56 syv: And suck with the dual shottie.
10:23:00 Devastator: yeah, I had one. Had to drop a guy -before- the minigun fight.
10:23:21 syv: Though that combo is awful for me.
10:23:37 syv: Green is meh at mid range, and DS is basically min range.
10:23:53 syv: ...And I'm at my best at mid-long range.
10:24:00 Devastator: you're miles better with the MGs than I am.
10:24:02 Devastator: I'm awful with them.
10:24:10 syv: Yeah, different playstyles.
10:24:19 syv: I'm very good support. Like I say, I skirmish.
10:24:37 syv: But you're much better at charging and adapting and planning rapidly.
10:25:33 Devastator: half of that is dodging.
10:25:36 syv: I should use the UMP more. I typically take the MP5 over it, but when I've actually used the UMP it's worked quite nicely.
10:25:52 Devastator: I don't like how it feels, but it's a pretty good gun.
10:27:51 syv: I never like the MP5. I drop it for most anything else that's not a shotty, pistol, or UMP.
10:27:57 syv: But the UMP sometimes gets me kills...
10:30:56 Devastator: I've gotten my share with the MP5. It's tricky, though, because most other weapons have better DPS, and it's a DPS weapon.
10:31:17 Devastator: use the nigh-perfect accuracy and be mid-range.
10:33:14 syv: DP's more accurate than the MP5... when standing still.
10:34:41 Devastator: with one bullet, maybe.
10:34:45 Devastator: the MP5 is stupidly accurate.
10:42:13 syv: I don't understand how recoil works.
10:42:25 syv: Though that might be why I don't notice so big a difference.
10:42:35 syv: I mostly burst fire the DP.
10:42:46 syv: Stretches the mag out so much.
10:46:42 Devastator: recoil sounds like the added dispersion stat.
10:46:53 Devastator: does the OTS-38 have any inaccuracy at all?
10:56:17 syv: Identical to the UMP9, which is about twice as good as the MP5
10:59:42 syv: DP has the same DPS as the MP5, notably.
11:01:05 Devastator: mmm, so not much then.
11:01:21 syv: MP5 has a higher fire rate on top of half the mag... but is otherwise kinda just better?
11:01:47 syv: DP does better against obstacles I guess, because LMG, but I don't use that a ton.
11:02:17 Devastator: except you can't hit with it.
11:02:45 syv: It's more accurate than the DP.
11:03:12 Devastator: yeah. The 416 is really inaccurate, but does better damage.
11:03:22 Devastator: the AK is neither accurate nor has good DPS.
11:04:13 syv: AK actually has 50% better standing accuracy than the MP5
11:04:31 syv: MAC10 has 205.6 DPS, damn.
11:04:44 syv: I guess that's obvious, and I love it, but still.
11:06:14 syv: Dual G18s has 300 DPS flat.
11:06:32 syv: But about 5 times the inaccuracy of the MP5.
11:10:01 Devastator: yeah.. the recoil is the important bit.
11:10:09 Devastator: because no way is an AK more accurate than a MP5.
11:13:31 syv: Hrm. Solo, killed by teamers flanking.
11:17:49 syv: Wiki doesn't say anything about recoil really
11:28:36 syv: Won, five kills. Mosin is surprisingly good now.
11:31:18 syv: Wow, a mine finally killed me.
11:31:24 syv: Someone mined a gift bush.
11:31:42 syv: I picked up an AK and MP5 in that round, mag dumped both of them.
11:31:55 syv: They're about the same standing accuracy, but MP5 is definitely better moving.
11:32:03 syv: Recoil doesn't seem to really matter.
11:47:11 syv: Oh yeah, I wanted to link this.
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