02:49:52 Devastator: Rev update looks cool.
02:51:39 Devastator: Shame Tiim vanished before bird could eat her. ;-pi
02:51:43 Devastator: or suck up that black stuff.
02:52:11 ER: bird can't do that. only the NPC villian can~
02:53:08 Devastator: I don't know, taking +1 Manip and two points in 'suck undead powers' might work. ;-p
02:53:29 Devastator: got some ideas, but might wait for
syv to show up.
02:53:44 Devastator: to see if snakebone wants to talk to priestess for some time or is ready to head off.
02:54:21 Devastator: and two skills. Hmm, probably save one for whatever is encountered first, be it book or fight or whatever and take Semblance +2.
02:54:46 Devastator: I wonder if with some manip and better mind over matter can make another skeleundead into a fake revenant like bird.
02:55:34 Devastator: might try that, actually. It'd be neat.
02:58:17 Devastator: assuming semblance 2 means less smol, so can actually pick up a book and less useless at fighting.
02:58:22 Devastator: if not, I'll pick something else.
03:00:21 Devastator: (mostly because I don't think a crow can manage to actually read a book physically, even if it could.)
03:00:42 Devastator: have to tlak to
syv, though.
03:00:45 Devastator: see what he wants to do.
03:01:28 ER: as written, I think semblance will only make you better at emulating life, not able yo change your form at will or anything
03:01:47 ER: though if you max it out you'll... basically be impossible to detect as an undead
03:07:53 Devastator: well, can stay smol then.
03:08:04 Devastator: +2 might help in infiltrating, anyway.
03:08:10 Devastator: although, sadly, people don't let crows in libraries.
03:08:28 Devastator: or could take that as a new skill.
03:09:00 Devastator: shapeshifting or corpse eater or something.
03:09:36 Devastator: and I suppose bird could probably pull a book out of a bookshelf and flip pages on the floor.
03:10:39 Devastator: that's some orders from Wyrdbird.
03:11:11 Devastator: and looking like a living crow is still useful, anyway.
03:11:24 Devastator: can go find trash and nobody will panic upon seeing bird.
03:12:21 ER: I mean, you could communicate and try to buy book ;P
03:12:53 Devastator: maybe bird should take something like "Presdigitation" to be able to carry stuff.
03:13:02 Devastator: or "Pocket Inventory" or something. ;-p
03:13:17 Devastator: or could maybe find money.
03:13:29 Devastator: I heard of a guy who trained a pet crow to carry back money.
03:13:40 Devastator: every now and again it'd bring cash home and get treats.
03:17:09 Devastator: but yeah, that's some post from Wyrd.
03:24:11 Devastator: or take bird weapons 2 for bird, but that's not gunbird.
03:24:14 Devastator: so many things to do.
03:32:14 Devastator: take influence one and then +2 to Penetrating Gaze letting bird just make people give him stuff.
03:32:28 Devastator: that might be fun, actually.
03:32:33 Devastator: gotta talk with
syv.
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03:35:29 Devastator:
ER updated revenant, and woul like to talk about what to do next.
03:36:01 syv: I like how you mentioned this in the logs no less than three times. :3
03:36:16 syv: Also sent my choices in your testgame.
03:36:20 syv: 03:13:29
Devastator: I heard of a guy who trained a pet crow to carry back money.
03:36:20 syv: 03:13:40
Devastator: every now and again it'd bring cash home and get treats.
03:36:25 syv: That is amazing, I love it.
03:38:11 Devastator: maybe crow should learn how to make someone else a fleshsack zombie instead of a skeleton.
03:38:36 Devastator: prooobably possible, I think that's just Manip and a new skill.
03:39:06 syv: The snake whose goal is to find love might appreciate that.
03:39:42 ER: presence means influence, yes?
03:39:55 syv:
ER, since Shalva's regret, the thing tying her to this world, is the desire for love...
03:40:05 syv: Does that mean she'll die for real if she finds it?
03:40:37 syv: It also means she's a wyrm and will dive into your pyre one second after round start.
03:40:44 ER: well, love can be something to live for once you've found it
03:41:18 Devastator: well, now that crow knows what she wants, could take skills for that.
03:41:27 Devastator: The stat would be manipulation, right?
03:42:13 Devastator: Manip +1, Mind over Matter to +2, and maybe something like Will Projection +1, to allow the bird to affect things outside itself with determination skills.
03:42:26 ER: somehow I'm winning the vote so far!?
03:43:10 ER: manipulation for anything which... pulls at the strings, I suppose?
03:43:33 ER: determination won't have a huge impact outside your body
03:44:12 Devastator: and then maybe a skill for other-zombie-healing, then.
03:44:18 Devastator: since Mind over Matter isn't quite relevant.
03:44:20 ER: I guess in terms of soul, det is str, manip is dex, and influence is still cha
03:44:53 ER: yeah, because there's no con stat, because you're all dead
03:45:44 Devastator: then it's Will, then.
03:45:59 syv: Because you get a sweet-ass d12 HD, and can have shit con with the benefits of great con.
03:46:10 Devastator: yeah, that makes sense.
03:46:41 Devastator: maybe not take the manip, hmm.
03:48:14 Devastator: Yeah, having a hard time coming up with a good way to prase the ability to shape other undead as a skill.
03:49:58 ER: hmm, darkhealing catalyzation
03:50:08 Devastator: mmm, that might be an idea.
03:50:22 Devastator: it doesn't change the other creature, just sort of activates it?
03:50:33 Devastator: should be easier than reshaping.
03:50:37 syv: "DARK HEALING CATALYZATION!"
03:51:04 syv: That's a name that must be shouted at the top of your lungs whenever you use it.
03:51:07 Devastator: need more exclamation points?
03:51:15 syv: And crow can't pronounce it.
03:52:06 ER: the strength of it will probably depend on the strength of the target's soul, though. And might tire them out if you do a lot.
03:52:21 Devastator: nah, the bird just looks at you, you look at it, it says Caw, and the caw fills the entire world, and then all of a sudden you're fleshy again.
03:52:31 Devastator: means it might even be useful as an attack!
03:52:40 ER: the undead equivalent of greatly acceleration someone's natural healing
03:52:56 Devastator: I mean, no need to do it all in one go, too.
03:53:08 Devastator: can take some time to do it.
03:53:31 syv: She's like her jaw to not fall off
03:54:36 ER: for skeletons, everything is already not falling off of everything else through sheer willpower alone
03:55:13 Devastator: gotta write a description.
03:55:53 ER: hmm, darkspirit catalyzation would be broader, I guess
03:56:18 Devastator: mmm, someone might lose a whole body and live, right?
03:56:24 ER: not all of your magic skills have to be specific instinctual powers, you know. you're allowed to take schools ;P
03:56:41 Devastator: bird is already perfect.
03:57:15 Devastator: besides, I don't know what schools are in universe..
03:57:16 ER: It would be rare to actually lose an entire body. If every part of your body stop being body at once, you will stop existing.
03:57:38 ER: so don't walk into any mini suns or get hit by rending light
03:57:46 Devastator: it's why the only shapeshifting bird would do would be to make more bird. ;-p
03:58:36 syv: Hrm, is that really so birdlike?
03:58:45 Devastator: I don't know, really.
03:58:51 Devastator: thjey might be okay being lizards or such.
03:58:59 Devastator: but lizards are dumb and birds are smart.
03:59:22 syv: I am vaugely reminded of Dar'yajira only ever using his druid powers to shapeshift into better cat, because cats are obviously the best, but narcissism is definitely a cat thing.
03:59:49 Devastator: well, stupid dragons.
03:59:54 syv: Dragons are basically hybrid creatures.
04:00:03 syv: One of those creatures being cats.
04:00:05 Devastator: Also, what did Dar play in?
04:00:40 ER: man, you're gonna make me name my npc so that I'll be sad when she dies horribly~
04:00:59 syv: I can't romance her if I don't have her name!
04:03:16 Devastator: DARK SPIRIT CATALYZATION can be used by the bird deliberately putting out an effort to make contact with another undead soul. The bird then questions why the other undead is in such poor condition, when Bird is so obviously perfect. Now shamed, the soul attempts to properly rebuild it's body
04:03:21 ER: I've never had to roll for a character's sexual orientation before. Or do I just let it happen?
04:03:41 Devastator: you can give a big penalty for 'snake skeleton',
ER.
04:03:57 Devastator: if it succeeds, she's obviously into them.
04:04:18 ER: do the tiny little people inside of my brain deserve this measure of agency at the expence of players getting to sandbox?
04:04:54 ER: I'm not a little bit bothered by the four armed snekbones, so clearly nobody ever can be~
04:05:16 Devastator: that an okay description?
04:05:52 ER: Well, I don't keep skill descriptions, so...
04:06:04 syv: You should totally just have orientations depend upon Shalva's seduction rolls.
04:06:15 ER: yes, because that makes sense
04:06:16 Devastator: that would have been how it eventually got for nan, fwiw.
04:06:21 Devastator: eventually she's just that cute.
04:06:25 syv: I'm not saying this just because she now has +2 seduction. >.>
04:06:57 ER: that was basically divine intervention married to a cognitohazard
04:07:00 Devastator: still need to decide what to spend the other points are.
04:07:06 syv: Man, I so frequently mistyped that as "Nam".
04:07:15 Devastator: I think I'll actually leave manip at zero.
04:07:35 ER: which isn't a combination it's impossible for shalva to obtain, but +2 to a mundane skill aint it
04:07:37 Devastator: I'll take Str, and leave the other skill free.
04:07:40 syv: I think if you're building a magic char, you should prolly upgrade the magic stat.
04:07:53 Devastator: I haven't decided yet.
04:08:01 Devastator: could do basically anything.
04:08:09 Devastator: learn to forge, and then play gunbird.
04:08:16 syv: And... strength seems like a really bad choice for a normal-sized bird.
04:08:19 Devastator: could go with books.
04:08:29 Devastator: but it's str on defense.
04:08:32 Devastator: and not dying is good.
04:08:35 Devastator: ..no, that's determination.
04:08:41 Devastator: this isn't
PW, det is the defense stat.
04:08:46 syv: "I am the strongest crow in the world! I can lift an ENTIRE milk jug!"
04:09:07 Devastator: might go in for fleshwarping, in which case it'll be another giant bird.
04:09:13 Devastator: but saeko's still alive, so no need there.
04:09:58 Devastator: Manip is cool, but I don't usually like magic characters.
04:10:44 Devastator: nah, I'll take +1 Influence, because it's the funniest option.
04:11:12 Devastator: Crow landing on a library desk, cawing at the librarian, and writing out 'GIVE BOOK'
04:11:38 Devastator: might just take +1 to all stats before going up to +2 in anything.
04:11:41 Devastator: that's more me, anyway.
04:12:51 ER: yeah, getting a +2 is quite expensive as compared to improving skills
04:13:29 ER: why? because
PW did stats and skills backwards in Dig so I specifically inverted it from that :v
04:14:56 Devastator: If classes are okay, would 'Necromancy' cover all of bird's magic skills so far?
04:15:08 Devastator: could take a +1 to Necromancy skill and boost all of them, maybe.
04:16:11 ER: well, necromancy is something nobody but one person has been able to practice for the past 800 years, undead are quite a broad category, and directly what the game is about
04:16:21 ER: so please specilize more than that ;P
04:16:32 ER: also, only one kill per roll
04:16:48 ER: one attribute plus one skill
04:17:03 Devastator: probably won't take any general fields, then.
04:17:25 Devastator: although if you feel any of those skills are too limited, I'm game to respec them.
04:17:35 Devastator: unless bird eats someone who knwos about one or finds a book or something.
04:17:50 Devastator: Mind Eater shouldn't be any broader, IMO.
04:17:59 ER: well, I think that skill for powers can be more powerful than skills for schools in some ways too
04:18:20 Devastator: the inellectual skills seem ok, IMO.
04:18:44 Devastator: Mind over Matter is self-healing, and that's worth one skill to me.
04:19:10 Devastator: Semblance of Life only doing disguise as non-undead is maybe the only weakish one.
04:19:14 Devastator: otherwise they seem ok.
04:19:42 syv: And here I am, having minmaxed for seduction.
04:19:50 syv: With the combat tank char.
04:20:32 syv: 've played Trucelence in this game.
04:20:40 syv: Such a good character concept.
04:20:41 ER: semblance could also let you do things that only the living should be able to, like use your lungs or generate body heat
04:21:46 Devastator: yeah. I was actually thinking of explicitly writing in homeothermic if it got levelled up.
04:22:11 Devastator: I'll just live with it.
04:22:39 ER: level it up a bunch and then impregnate a living crow
04:22:39 syv: "Semblance could also let you do things that only the living should be able to, like catch diseases."
04:23:03 syv: Level it up a bunch and impregnante Shalva.
04:23:26 ER: now that would probably require fleshhorror skills
04:23:58 Devastator: technically living creatures do grow, so that might be on the table, fwiw.
04:24:03 syv: I'd love to see what genetic monstrosity that'd create, if you somehow mimicked life so good you fould do it.
04:24:06 Devastator: just have to actually eat stuff.
04:24:15 Devastator: probably take some magic.
04:24:24 Devastator: I'm sure there's some lonely wizard somewhere with that spell.
04:24:36 Devastator: I mean, lamias had to come into existance in some method.
04:25:11 Devastator: so someone somewhere clearly got jiggy with a snake. ;-p
04:25:33 syv: Going on classical mythology, it happened when a god decided to seduce someone by shapeshifting into a particularly fancy-looking snake.
04:25:56 Devastator: Gods must have been so bored.
04:25:57 ER: are lamia chimera, or just reptiles who evolved to look human in order to attract prospective meals?
04:27:36 ER: clearly they evolved to seduce humans and then eat them, but eventually became civilized enough to not need to do that but still like to fuck humans
04:29:57 ER: see, my instincts are telling me to have sex with you and eat you, but the latter would be bad for trade relations while the former would be very good
04:30:06 syv: The typical lamia backstories make them an all-female race that needs men.
04:30:19 syv: Which has many, many problems.
04:30:44 syv: Gerudo just have one dude per generation, right?
04:30:53 syv: I think that's how Vipers work in XCOM 2.
04:31:11 Devastator: Snakemen are all-female in XCOM 1.
04:31:24 Devastator: but they're all genetically engineered and are born pregnant.
04:31:27 ER: I think it takes longer than a generation for gerudo, really
04:31:46 syv: Just biologically female, I guess?
04:32:00 Devastator: They're snakes. They didn't know they had eggs until they did a dissection.
04:33:35 ER: I don't remember if gerudo had one male per ~100 years or if it was longer
04:34:06 Devastator: it's basically the 'genetically engineered biological weapon' sort of reproduction, though.
04:34:20 Devastator: no sex involved, IIRC.
04:34:49 ER: but it is interesting to note that ganondorf, the evil dude, probably gets no shortage of fuck, and also the only gerudo playable in smash brothers is a male one who's like one in a million :p
04:35:22 ER: etherials like growing people in tubes and giving them guns
04:35:43 Devastator: you know, Bird would make a -great- burglar.
04:35:48 Devastator: nobody suspects the bird.
04:35:56 Devastator: just have to have a way to break in.
04:36:05 ER: here, newborn, dickless, mouthless sectiod, take this plasma pistol and go plink at the humies
04:37:00 Devastator: I think they can eat things.
04:37:12 Devastator: Also, there are hybrids in APOC.
04:37:26 Devastator: I think with Sectoids it's more 'conquered slave race'
04:37:43 ER: in EU sectiods have no mouths and need like, injections for nutrients
04:40:42 Devastator: probably the worst off, then.
04:41:04 Devastator: mutons are really stupid.
04:41:44 ER: in eu mutons seemed to retain the most autonomy or at least culture
04:42:00 Devastator: huh, the direct opposite then.
04:42:29 Devastator: Sectoids are brainy but weak. Floaters are just people. Snakeoids have some brains for all them being genengineered weapons.
04:43:51 ER: EU floaters are mutons who didn't take well to the drugs, so they just sawed off their lower half and stuck them on some plasma rockets
04:44:43 ER: I don't think mutons are supposed to be stupid, exactly, they're fairly tactical soldiers. Their weakness is no psionics
04:44:55 Devastator: terror weapons are the mini-UFOs, the basically giant dogs, the motherfucking cryssalids, the useless muton attendants, and GIANT ROBOTS.
04:46:27 Devastator: they're better than Silacoids, but not by much.
05:00:11 ER: hmm, haven't been mistaking second person for a while. that's nice
05:00:26 ER: I have had to replace some "you"s with "thou"s though ;p
05:01:07 ER: yeah, sectiods needed to inject human jeans into themselves to grow mouths
05:02:56 Devastator: Maybe Crow should take thieving skills.
05:03:41 Devastator: or influence skills.
05:03:49 Devastator: because clearly that cat just broke that person's brain.
05:03:56 Devastator: and not in the usual way kitties do that.
05:10:45 Devastator: that looks worrying,
syv.
05:10:59 Devastator: so anything to do, or is this a sneklady only situation?
05:11:13 syv: Yeah, gonna ask priestess for help.
05:11:31 syv: Does that work with snake skeletons?
05:15:42 syv: Florence Nightingale effect.
05:15:54 syv: Where a health worker falls in love with their patient.
05:23:22 Devastator: ..anyway, I think I'll leave you two to it. When done I'll do more orders.
05:23:27 ER: ah, this is what happens when I actually make my npc roll for magical perception
05:27:45 Devastator: well, if I see priestess killing friendly snakelady, I might have to intervene, hmm.
05:32:00 Devastator: crows eat basically anything.
05:32:12 Devastator: they're not very picky.
05:34:21 ER: are you going to intervene,
dev, or is this me?
05:35:18 Devastator: Does it look like priestess is attacking?
05:35:43 Devastator: 'end the pain' isn't a good phrase.
05:38:02 Devastator: just saw the inventory.
05:39:21 Devastator: not 100% sure what's going on.
05:40:07 ER: I feel like I stated it pretty clearly from the bird's perspective :c
05:41:48 ER: you're catalyzing something in the mending darkness. You didn't warn the patient and you rolled a partical success, so it's happening but with disorienting side effects, especially because she has low manip herself
05:42:31 ER: heh, taking out a piece would be more offensive
05:43:05 Devastator: but the description is 'soul in a net'
05:43:31 Devastator: if that would clearly hurt, don't do that.
05:44:00 Devastator: no, got a better way to put it.
05:47:37 Devastator: don't want to be offensive.
05:52:14 Devastator: but I do see Crow being loyal to a corpse for about all of five seconds. ;-p
06:02:58 syv: I'm vaugely wondering why it seems to have been more than zero seconds.
06:06:48 Devastator: 'is it really dead?'
06:10:11 ER: open up your heart it's gonna be alright!
06:34:46 ER: one potential downside to regenerating your soft bits
06:42:25 Devastator: so half-naked, half snake.
06:43:44 syv: Also, ew, why did I have *that* url?
06:45:25 Devastator: wolf children were cuter.
06:58:41 syv: Inferior lamia, only have two arms.
06:59:43 ER: yes, our lamia are technically lizards, not snakes ;p
06:59:54 ER: they just have really long tails
07:10:40 syv: Do lamia have loooong organsm like snakes?
07:20:04 Devastator: yes they are long organisms.
08:18:28 Devastator: looks like normal cat.
08:18:39 Devastator: although I'd expect kitty could tip that over.
08:23:49 syv: Looks like decently thick glass, probably *really* heavy/
08:25:36 Devastator: Welp, now you have a kitteh on display.
08:26:27 Devastator: I wonder how many times the cat will do that before learning.
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