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02:17:22 Devastator: Ah yes, I have a habit of copying the character sheets from the last turn, writing the turn above it, and then posting it without a single intelligent thought. Which kind of defeats the purpose of posting them with each turn, I suppose.
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04:36:31 Devastator: got a buncha chores to do tomorrow.
04:36:43 Devastator: maybe we should watch Mouth of madness tonight.
04:36:45 Devastator: if you got the time.
04:36:50 Devastator: and if
ER si around.
04:38:04 syv: Were you going to try Hunt,
Dev?
04:38:21 syv: Egan brought it up, and I dunno if he was chatting with you in PMs or something.
04:39:35 syv: John Carpenter does Lovecraft.
04:39:43 MidJag: So something I didn't know, apperently Russias aircraft just sucks in so many different ways.
04:39:49 MidJag: And that does sound fun
04:40:18 syv: Hrm, what era are you referring to?
04:40:20 Devastator: Have to clear some disk space.
04:40:29 Devastator: and have to do some other stuff.
04:41:24 syv: I still want to find a better co-op game than Hunt. -.-
04:41:44 syv: It's good, but has too many random headshots to be quite what I want.
04:43:27 syv: That's what I figured. And yeah, I am unsurprised.
04:43:56 Devastator: Inferior copies of stuff, mostly.
04:44:03 Devastator: they keep trying to make new suff, but it's slow going.
04:44:10 MidJag: Yeah that's what I've figured as well.
04:44:27 Devastator: I have absolutely no idea how their F-22 attempted clone work.s
04:44:31 syv: They *love* copying firearms.
04:44:35 Devastator: I think they call it the F-102 dragon or something like that.
04:44:40 MidJag: China loves copying stuff in general
04:44:50 syv: At least Russia is totally independant on the design front, at least with guns.
04:45:33 MidJag: See India is weird, because their stuff is really weird mix of Western and Russian.
04:45:54 Devastator: They buy whoever sells to them.
04:46:07 Devastator: but they aren't anyone's deliberate favored ally, so they don't get the best deals or best stuff.
04:46:30 MidJag: Yeah, pretty much all of Indias stuff is Secondhand or the base model variant of things.
04:46:48 syv: Are they still on AK variants?
04:47:10 MidJag: AS I recall they tried makeing their own but it didn't work very well
04:48:37 syv: They have a really eclectic mix of weapons, but still use fucking AKMs in at least some places, so yeah.
04:48:51 MidJag: Apperently the joke was to the magazine at the enemy and while their laughing try to steal their gun.
04:53:39 Devastator: That's the difficult part of china, they could make stuff, but it takes so much effort at all levels of production to make sure it's done fully reliably.
04:53:49 Devastator: at some point someone gets sloppy.
04:53:52 Devastator: and the resulting product sucks.
04:54:59 Devastator: India has many of the same problems, combined with half the people hating the government.
04:56:29 Devastator: There's a good start point if you're looking for problems.
04:58:36 Devastator: Also, I was under the impression that conventional bullets were good at wounding people too, even if they were intended to be lethal.
04:58:45 Devastator: lots of times you don't kill with one bullet reliably.
04:58:59 MidJag: Yeah, I'm not sure what they're talking about with that.
04:59:30 MidJag: I mean it would be way harder to make a gun consistnetly wound you in a non lethal but still disabiling way, then to wound you in a lethal way.
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05:04:09 syv: There's some argument for wounding shots being better than kill shots.
05:04:40 syv: Wound a soldier, he's still out of the fight, and his allies will be slower and less effective due to trying to rescue and carry him.
05:04:59 syv: e's a body that people mostly won't take risks for.
05:05:08 MidJag: On the other hand killing hurts morale more.
05:05:21 syv: I have to wonder about that.
05:05:58 ER: in toady's game WWI medic, you can heal enemy soldiers who are wounded, and iirc it actually helps your side in addition to giving you points because it makes them take longer to die, and soldiers who die get replaced in their trench
05:06:18 Devastator: I think it affects their overall reinforcement rate, actually.
05:06:26 Devastator: they don't generate replacements as quickly.
05:06:32 Devastator: their positions can be filled.
05:06:34 syv: Screaming friends are pretty demoralizing, I'd think. Bodies are *relatively* easy to ignore. At least in the thick of battle.
05:06:39 Devastator: even if wounded on the field.
05:06:43 Devastator: but not 100% on that.
05:06:49 syv: IIRC it really was that wounded just take longer to die.
05:06:59 Devastator: more caring for them, too.
05:07:02 syv: But either could just be a rumor.
05:07:53 MidJag: I was talking like long term.
05:10:35 ER: I don't know, wounded people might go back home and actively lower public approval for your war
05:11:28 syv: I think there's probably several different "long term" considerations.
05:11:38 Devastator: They really improved Automation a lot with the recent patches, but it's annoying that I can't see who is buying my cars.
05:11:51 Devastator: I'm selling 1240 GT cars a month, and have no idea who is buying them.
05:11:54 MidJag: On the other hand a lot of wounds inflicted by bullets are actually pretty reparable these days.
05:12:06 Devastator: because I'm selling 60 cars to the GT market a month.
05:12:11 Devastator: so where are the other 1180 cars going?
05:12:23 syv: There's short term (this battle), long term (the next week/month), longer term (the next few months, possibly with some wounded soldiers returning to the fight), and very long term (year+, lots of returning soldiers, politics mattering a great deal).
05:12:37 Devastator: I'm also in the hole for ten months on orders of them, so I'd like to know what the hell is going on.
05:12:53 Devastator: (apparently people pre-bought a lot of them.)
05:13:12 Devastator: yeah, plus returning might change a lot depening on what kind of wound you have.
05:13:12 ER: and very very long term when we have to start worrying about our soldiers' children ;p
05:13:54 ER: shoot them with venomous darts which never kill but always cause their hands and dick to rot off
05:14:14 ER: cly this is the ultimate weapon
05:16:28 MidJag: I'm not sure I have this movie
05:17:13 syv: Someone with IRC on PC, send it to
MJ
05:36:32 syv: Reading WWI Medic's source.
05:36:39 syv: You can be beheaded by a spade.
05:37:40 ER: like, different from just being killed by shovel normally?
05:38:44 Devastator: yeah, been killed by shovel before.
05:39:09 syv: You can also be "hit in face" or simply "killed".
05:42:20 Devastator: hit in face is when your trench gets charged.
05:45:44 syv: I think it's actually just luck.
05:46:19 syv: And agh, what is if(!random(5))? When does that evaluate to true???
05:47:56 syv: Is that a 20% chance of being true? !0?
05:48:59 syv: If so, on shovel death you have a 20% chance to get beheaded, if not that then a 33% chance to be hit in face, and if not that you're just killed.
05:49:00 ER: most skilled spaghetti coder ever ;P
05:49:30 Devastator: ahh, so it's like bullet criticals.
05:49:42 Devastator: except with shovel.
05:50:48 Devastator: you played WW1 Medic,
ER?
05:51:03 syv: He brought it up first, so I assume he has.
05:51:36 syv: If that does mean "Generate a number from 0 to 4, if 0 do stuff", then it's clever in a distressingly opaque way.
05:51:38 ER: don't think I have it on this computer, haven't played in a long time
05:51:55 Devastator: I took two trenches once.
05:52:00 syv: I don't have any C++ stuff installed on this comp though, so can't just try it...
05:52:07 syv: Isn't that almost purely luck,
Dev?
05:52:08 MidJag: Wasn't Toady's formal training in mathematics and not programming?
05:52:17 ER: I don't think I've ever taken a trench, just lost and gotten shoveled
05:52:23 Devastator: There's a lot of luck involved, but it isn't purely luck.
05:52:35 syv: I'be definitely read a lot of worse code than this, though.
05:52:42 Devastator: I'm pretty sure bandaging enemies lowers their respawn rate, and saving your own boosts yours.
05:52:44 syv: This is mostly just not clear, but it looks good.
05:52:59 Devastator: so about 1/5 times your trench will be taken, but 4/5 times you'll eventually take the enemy trench.
05:53:08 Devastator: if you do well and manage to not die.
05:53:12 syv: Does seem pretty redundant.
05:53:50 syv: Clearly not intended to be read.
05:54:12 syv: "//LOOKS BETTER EVEN IF NOT ACCURATE"
05:55:00 ER: have I asked this question before? Should Sophia invest in ear protection?
05:55:28 syv: Except she should because I like people actually trying to obtain useful equipment.
05:56:45 syv: Hey
Dev, do allied medics spawn?
05:57:59 Devastator: there dummy code for them?
05:58:44 syv: There's code for UNIT_ALLY_MEDIC, next to UNIT_GERMAN_MEDIC, but Ally Medic might just be the player. I think that's the case.
05:58:45 ER: would it just not be useful?
05:58:58 syv: It'd just not be useful, yeah.
05:59:56 ER: I wonder if that's a game which started as just a little trench warfare simulation and later decided that giving player control to the medic was fun
06:00:24 Devastator: I think toad had the idea of a medic first, imo.
06:00:47 syv: Yeah, I think it was intended to be what it is from the start.
06:01:01 syv: Both sides start with a max of 40.
06:03:08 syv: Reinforce code is weird, different for both sides.
06:03:30 syv: For allies, seems to be if you have less than 22 troops, you get reinforcements.
06:03:36 Devastator: not surprised to hear that, but makes sense.
06:03:44 syv: Or, less than 22 *something*.
06:03:57 syv: The same variable for Germans is >=429
06:04:04 syv: So it's not directly troop count?
06:05:27 syv: Wait, yeah, this is something that *disables* respawns.
06:05:54 syv: They start valid, it checks these two numbers, and if one is valid it disables respawns.
06:06:07 syv: For allies, it's <= 21, for Germans it's >=429
06:06:20 ER: now I remember that the time I lost was when one of the allied MGs was taken out by a random artillery.
06:06:39 Devastator: yeah, that makes a big difference.
06:06:40 syv: The relevant variable is unit[u]->y...
06:06:41 ER: they don't respawn and at that point you're kinda screwed
06:06:54 Devastator: one can be survived, if it doesn't happen immediately.
06:09:06 ER: I should read NG's sheet but I don't really want to, entirely due to formatting
06:10:14 syv: I think if there is an effect, it is indeed from wounded germans counting against the total spawns.
06:10:37 syv: When a new German spawns, it just checks for a nice location to spawn him,
06:10:55 syv: There's no defined positions, it just drops guys in holes.
06:11:25 ER: could the thing where it stops respawns possibly be a score based thing?
06:11:37 ER: like, you just have to score well enough and then it lets you win?
06:11:48 syv: Several of these iff statements have "&&won!=1" tacked onto the end.
06:12:04 syv: IE "and if you haven't won", but just stated weirdly.
06:12:50 Devastator: I've had some times where you don't get lucky and arty doesn't take out a german machine gun.
06:12:54 Devastator: doesn't seem to ever really end that way.
06:13:06 syv: It actually does look like there's dummy code for allied medics.
06:13:23 syv: There's spawn code for allied and german medics, which is identical.
06:14:33 syv: Okay, 21 and 429 appear to actually be flags that are set, not counts of anything.
06:15:25 Devastator: no spawns if you've won/lost?
06:15:38 Devastator: You don't get reinforcements if an enemy is in your/their trench.
06:15:53 syv: if(unit[u]->y<429&&un->y>=429)continue;
06:16:50 syv: It checks every unit's y value.
06:17:17 Devastator: hmm, that might map 1:1 with the number of points you score for dragging someone back.
06:17:53 syv: If an Allied unit's y value is less than 22, Germans can't respawn. If a German's y value is greater than 428, allies can't respawn.
06:19:26 ER: so they can't respawn into a melee
06:22:03 syv: Interestingly, the game checks if there's any german medic at all. If there isn't, and it's been long enough since the last german medic spawn/start of the game, it spawns one).
06:22:29 syv: But for the allied medic, if *also* checks if an allied medic is wounded, and might spawn an allied medic if that's the case.
06:23:02 syv: But it needs to have been 500 tics since an allied medic was alive, so that will never happen...
06:23:28 Devastator: you can keep the dead screen open a while.
06:23:38 Devastator: and yeah, the german medic can die.
06:23:57 syv: Ah, and same thing for the german medic, it's not since the last german medic spawn, it's since the last german medic was found at all.
06:25:26 syv: Also, it only ticks up if conditions are valid for a respawn. Basically, after it checks 500 times for a medic spawn, it'll spawn one next time. But if it hasn't already checked 500 times, it goes for a normal soldier. And it only ever checks if conditions are valid for respawns.
06:25:55 syv: Soldiers are spawns on !random(20), so 5% chance.
06:26:29 syv: And yeah, y=20 and y=429 are just the heights of the two trenches.
06:26:38 syv: Or depth, I guess, since the top trench is 20.
06:27:41 syv: Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's no code in here that can be affected by you having previously bandaged germans.
06:28:24 syv: Bandaging people--of either side--slows down respawns because they're not dead, and they can't be replaced until they die.
06:28:25 Devastator: so just my imagination then.
06:28:35 Devastator: that might help then.
06:28:40 syv: The human brain is very good at pattern recognition~
06:29:00 Devastator: maybe I should look at NG's new charsheet.
06:29:20 MidJag: Yes, my apologies, I'm in the middle of an arugment right now.
06:29:21 Devastator: oh god, it's a text wall.
06:29:53 ER: yeah, that's why I want line breaks :(
06:30:39 Devastator: Gah, it's not terribly good.
06:31:00 syv: Alright, I suicided my medic.
06:31:06 Devastator: basically, was noble, got given army, got murdered by death knights.
06:31:11 Devastator: invented a bunch of random people.
06:31:11 syv: Time to see if an ally medic eventually spawns.
06:31:29 syv: The Germans charged *immediately* after and got massacred.
06:32:28 ER: so there's allied medic AI?
06:32:53 Devastator: I'll go stream some attempts while waiting for
MJ.
06:32:53 syv: Yeah, it's identical to German medic AI, I think.
06:33:13 syv: Theoretically he might be able to bandage and save YOU.
06:34:02 syv: A third allied medic spawned and got shot immediately.
06:34:22 syv: Isn't trying to save the last guy.
06:34:34 syv: He doesn't get me points, either.
06:34:59 syv: Aaaaand he got hit by artillery/
06:35:16 Devastator: and that's absolutely neat.
06:35:29 syv: Makes me want to mod the game.
06:36:04 syv: Remove the checks on max soldier count, what happens?
06:36:29 syv: Make it so half of all respawns are medics, laugh.
06:36:46 ER: might break because it can't find places to spawn people?
06:37:16 syv: Make it so medics never bleed out, so your replacements don't run out of time to save you (until arty hits you)
06:37:49 syv: It's kinda interesting that medics, if anything, seem to be *actively detrimental* to success.
06:38:15 syv: As long as one exists, your side has one less soldier, and they only delay wounded being replaced by more soldiers.
06:39:01 syv: You would literally be more useful to your team if you crawled around with a pistol and capped your allies.
06:39:47 Devastator: don't they shorten the amount of time by bringing them back?
06:40:07 syv: Only if you drag them back BEFORE they die.
06:40:09 ER: yeah, which does about the same thing as killing them but takes longer
06:40:32 syv: Healing them in your trench is an improvement, though.
06:40:43 syv: Since that instantly removes them from play.
06:41:05 ER: so, just never leave trench ;p
06:41:58 syv: Aaaand the Germans won. :(
06:48:46 syv: I can *almost* see downloading the libraries needed to compile the game, exclusively so that I can write the first mods for it... sixteen years after it was first published.
06:49:14 ER: that would be an achevement
06:50:17 ER: left MG has had some close calls, I see
06:51:09 syv: Ha,
Dev is *streaming* the game?
06:51:19 ER: oh yeah, i forgot that they can use grenades
06:51:32 syv: Didn't notice him saying that.
06:57:55 Devastator: yeah, everyone can use grenades.
07:01:32 syv: Not paying close attention, say my name if
MJ shows up.
07:07:36 Devastator: solve the problems.
07:07:43 Devastator: or punch them until they're close enough.
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07:12:20 Devastator: okay, looks like no
midjag tonight.
07:12:26 Devastator: we should just watch anyway.
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07:19:23 MidJag: Was arguing with my brother
07:21:50 ER: think it's time we blow this thing?
07:22:43 Devastator: just opening with the other program.
07:23:41 Devastator: starts with the new line cinema logo.
07:23:42 syv: Geometric shapes fall into a symbol!
07:23:45 MidJag: Nice. First time for everyting I guess~
07:24:01 MidJag: I like this movie already
07:24:06 ER: I did accidentially hit space three times rather than once ;p
07:24:20 Devastator: watch out for the hero of the imperium. ;-p
07:24:27 MidJag: Some kinda factory I'm assuming
07:24:41 Devastator: ahh, welcome to the 90s.
07:24:43 MidJag: Man this is actually a really good riff.
07:24:58 MidJag: Bit less energetic then a lot of my taste, but good.
07:25:14 MidJag: Wait, John Carpenter did the music as well?
07:25:58 MidJag: So I'm assuming this is gonna be a mix of lovecraft and fleshhorror
07:26:22 MidJag: Because isn't it John Carpenter crossed with Lovecraft?
07:26:42 MidJag: And it already looks New Englandy
07:26:49 Devastator: John Carpenter doesn't need to be crossed with anything to be lovecraft.
07:27:31 MidJag: Wait, is that the guy from Jurrasic Park?
07:28:04 MidJag: Lack of insight is weird.
07:29:23 MidJag: I've always wondered what John Carpenter was like as a person.
07:30:12 syv: Straightjackets are terrible things, really.
07:30:46 MidJag: I mean as I recall now adays theres a lot of restrictions on when they can be used.
07:30:55 Devastator: ever had to wear one?
07:31:16 Devastator: fortunately, same here.
07:31:51 syv: Closest I've come is being tied up in a normal shirt.
07:32:00 MidJag: I kinda want to ask why.
07:37:20 Devastator: it's the scene everyone knows.
07:37:33 MidJag: Oh you know what we shuold watch. Soylent Green.
07:37:45 MidJag: That guys voice reminded me of it.
07:38:12 MidJag: Apperentlly when Trump writes it.
07:42:36 MidJag: When was this movie made?
07:43:45 MidJag: Huh, lot of smoking for a 90's movie
07:44:03 MidJag: Also what the hell is this guys accent?
07:44:21 MidJag: It's like wandered around the Anglosphere in 3 scenes
07:45:11 MidJag: God I once talked to a guy like that
07:47:25 syv:
MJ, what do you mean? A guy who just whispered to you that he sees you?
07:47:58 MidJag: So I was a at a bar and this guy just walks up to me and just starts takling about some crazy shit.
07:48:31 MidJag: Actually that was at that weird dive bar where I was wearing a tux.
07:48:40 MidJag: That was a weird fucking night.
07:49:15 syv: Yeah, this is a weird fucking night too.
07:49:27 syv: Was hungry girl the lady from the corporation?
07:49:30 MidJag: Weirder then mine I'll give him that.
07:49:36 Devastator: Better or worse than his night on Jurassic Park?
07:49:43 ER: thats kind just how I feel when people start talking about their religion or whatever ;p
07:49:48 Devastator: I'm just imagining this is the same guy again.
07:50:01 MidJag: Oh, I once got approached by straight up cultists.
07:50:14 syv: Did they mistake you for their leader?
07:50:37 ER: "how many of these have I read again?"
07:50:57 MidJag: It was like my first week of college and for some reason all these fucking cultists and religions kept trying to get me to join.
07:51:14 Devastator: cutting them out to reveal the hidden message.
07:51:24 MidJag: Doing some art's and crafts.
07:51:48 Devastator: hello New Hampshire.
07:51:55 Devastator: so where's the next book?
07:52:13 Devastator: Also, authors don't do their own covers.
07:52:49 syv: But... how did he know to cut them into the shape of New Hampshire?
07:53:04 Devastator: the outlines were marked on the cover in coloured lines.
07:53:09 MidJag: But yeah these two girls were weird as shit. They were both dressed in like long dresses and were trying to get me to go to some healing center or something
07:53:12 ER: I think there were red lines which jigsaw together
07:53:43 Devastator: Do you just carry one of those around?
07:53:59 Devastator: i'ts just a screen.
07:54:01 Devastator: nothing to worry about.
07:54:12 MidJag: This guy is kinda funny, a dick, but funny.
07:54:47 MidJag: But nah
dev they weren't baptsists I'm really not sure what they were.
07:55:22 MidJag: Though there are some culty baptists around my college.
07:55:37 MidJag: Hell I found a chick track in a bathroom once.
07:55:56 MidJag: And I go to a fucking huge public school.
07:55:56 Devastator: maybe the southern catholics that are baptists these days.
07:56:02 ER: this is what happens when you get too much insight
07:56:11 Devastator: someone falied the will roll.
07:56:33 MidJag: Nah, there's this church called like highlands or something, I think they were part of that.
07:56:47 MidJag: They are incrediblly cult like.
07:56:48 ER: maybe take a break from driving
07:57:28 Devastator: last time I encountered a random cultist I knew his theology better than he did. :-(
07:58:26 MidJag: See fraternities are like all the fun parts of cults. So I guess I kinda joined a cult anyway.
07:58:50 ER: probably all of the unfun parts of a cult too
07:59:07 syv: No, you aren't generally forced to have sex with the leader.
07:59:31 Devastator: driving, still safer than bike riding.
08:00:09 Devastator: I do give points for them using such an utterly generic vehicle.
08:01:02 ER: that might be a little hard to describe
08:01:11 syv: Why would you try and think or do anything productive, instead of just walking straight into doom?
08:01:16 MidJag: See cults have koolaid mixed with cyanide, we just have kool aid mixed with liqour, which is much more fun~
08:01:16 ER: but also they're both book cultists already~
08:01:32 Devastator: you forgot the jello.
08:02:40 syv: Kids will show up eating the dog?
08:02:45 MidJag: I feel like john carpenter was like I want to find children who invoke a sense on unsesse in everyone around them.
08:02:48 syv: That seems a little too linear.
08:04:43 MidJag: I'm begining to think this author took the Ian flemming approach to writing a scene
08:05:30 MidJag: I mean Cain, Ian Fleming just explicitlly described everythihng in every scene in exact detail.
08:06:05 MidJag: Like he would describe the fucking grain of a chair a charecter was sitting in.
08:06:59 ER: inb4 there never was a sutter cane
08:07:24 syv: This is still believable, as Sutter Cane just describing this town which already existed, accurately.
08:07:40 MidJag: I mean I think Lovecraft just did that literally.
08:08:20 MidJag: How the hell does she know they have guns?
08:08:44 MidJag: I mean before they came out of the cars.
08:09:17 MidJag: I like the oddds of a bunch of long guns versus dogs.
08:09:32 ER: look at those good boys designated scary dog breed
08:09:49 syv: Trained to be nonlethal, too.
08:10:21 MidJag: Again, what the hell is this guys fucking accent.
08:10:23 syv: Dogs really aren't that dangerous one per man, especially if they're trained to just go for your limbs.
08:11:25 MidJag: Also like all the guys have guns.
08:11:44 MidJag: Time to old man Jenkins this.
08:13:11 Devastator: or old man henderson.
08:13:36 Devastator: not enough lawn gnomes.
08:13:49 Devastator: you can't ask these namblies where they been keeping yer wee men.
08:13:51 MidJag: Do you read Sutter Cane?~
08:14:51 MidJag: God this is reminding of that lovecraft comic one of you guys reccomened at like fucking 4AM. Was great.
08:15:30 MidJag: That dog is like an evil lassie
08:16:02 syv: Okay, that kid's makeup is the most disturbig thing so fsr.
08:16:34 MidJag: I guess they really like Saint peter~
08:16:34 Devastator: the symbol of the Pope.
08:17:55 MidJag: All work and now play makes Jack a dull boy
08:18:17 Devastator: I don't see any bees.
08:18:48 MidJag: Was anyone using a fucking typewritier back then?
08:19:08 ER: dude start writing happy slice of life shit
08:19:10 Devastator: I had one back in 1994.
08:19:24 syv: There's always authors who use outdated tools from when they were young, or even older.
08:19:54 MidJag: This guy is not the charecter design I was expecting.
08:20:02 syv: Oh hey, the thing's tentacles were in there.
08:20:34 MidJag: I was expecitng him to look more Lovecrafty.
08:20:45 MidJag: And less like Sting with poofy hair.
08:21:30 MidJag: Ah she's just having a bad trip, just tell her evertyhings going to be okay and she'll be fine in a couple of hours.
08:22:04 syv: Okay I am uncomfy but I love what they're doing with that painting.
08:22:12 MidJag: Yeah that is pretty neat.
08:22:26 MidJag: Man Carpenter just love the Thing
08:23:00 ER: okay, that's not really something you could fake to him
08:23:01 Devastator: too many cat noises.
08:23:19 Devastator: I don't know. After Jurassic Park, gonna take a lot.
08:23:43 MidJag: I like the idea of the reaserch get's back from Jurrasic park and becomes an insurance investigator.
08:23:50 MidJag: It would explain a lot.~
08:24:08 Devastator: What is the point here, anyway?
08:24:16 Devastator: if they just wanted him to not leave, they coulda broke his car.
08:24:21 Devastator: just wondering what the cult goal is.
08:24:27 syv: Just being as fucking creepy as possible.
08:24:38 MidJag: Nah, I think tehy want Styles and hes just collateral
08:24:43 Devastator: Yeah, this is a guy who isn't responding to anything.
08:24:49 Devastator: It's like he's shell-shocked.
08:25:03 MidJag: He's expercined Jurrsasic park, he's used to weird shit.
08:25:39 syv: Never ever fucking shoot yourself that way
08:25:51 syv: That is lethal, but not anytime soon
08:25:53 MidJag: I wasn't planning on ever shooting myself.
08:27:10 MidJag: Wait, a horror movie guy actually just...leaving a creepy town
08:27:36 MidJag: Okay, I like the idea of the author being a reality warper.
08:28:35 MidJag: Man that guy is really good at hotwireing cars.
08:28:49 MidJag: What the hell did he do before he became an insurance investigator.
08:29:06 syv: What was his profession in Jurassic Park?
08:29:13 ER: what do you mean, that's insurance investiagor stuff
08:29:43 syv: The movie opened with him at a dig.
08:30:02 ER: book company's really doing a good job of hazing this guy
08:30:05 syv: Ahhh yes this is just going through my nightmares, now.
08:30:16 Devastator: well, you wanted to watch it.
08:30:23 Devastator: he's going through!
08:31:05 MidJag: Huh, why is he in a confesional
08:31:21 ER: because catholisism is good horror
08:31:27 MidJag: Forgive me Cthulu for I have sinned.
08:33:56 syv: I think Lovecraft would kill himself immediately if his stories were affecting reality.
08:34:09 syv: Dude was more terrified of his work than anyone else.
08:34:11 ER: I'm surprised that he didn't anyways
08:34:39 MidJag: I think lovecraft was just terrified of things in general
08:36:55 MidJag: I still just don't get this guys charecter design.
08:37:10 MidJag: He just doesn't fit into my image of horror writer.
08:37:27 Devastator: seems pretty average to me.
08:37:47 MidJag: I guess I was just expecting him to look like lovecraft.
08:37:49 syv: "Murderous race of creatures"
08:37:56 syv: Lovecraft looks like a meme.
08:38:10 MidJag: Right, that's why I was expecting it~
08:39:05 syv: It sounds like a fucking pokemon
08:39:06 MidJag: Man this movie is great. For once I'm really glad i'm not high while watching this.
08:40:28 MidJag: Burn it all in cleansing fire!
08:40:41 ER: nah, just start writing catgirl smut into it
08:40:57 syv: Well, if it controls reality...
08:41:02 MidJag: I mean you have a book that controls reality.
08:41:07 MidJag: Might as well exploit it.
08:41:26 syv: But is that worth risking insanity from reading it?
08:41:40 MidJag: I mean I suppose it depends on the quality of the smut.
08:41:44 ER: cross out the end and replace it with "and then everyone had an amazing orgy forever"
08:41:51 Devastator: The Sphere, for that one.
08:42:08 Devastator: what to do if you were a reality bender.
08:45:25 MidJag: Because it's cold in bama
08:45:32 syv: A vauge part of me wants to make Egan's suggestion fanfiction, now.
08:46:12 MidJag: lovecraft that suddenlly turns into catgirl smut?
08:46:29 syv: "And then John started writing smut into the book while it was upsidedown. The horrifying monsters charged at him, but were struck down by sexy naked ladies that suddenly sprang out of nowhere."
08:46:44 syv: Though really that's the boring way.
08:46:54 syv: The proper answer would be to make lovecraftian smut.
08:47:16 MidJag: I feel like that's just tentacle porn written in a very roundabout style.
08:47:57 MidJag: With a lot of sesquipedilian words thrown in for good measure
08:48:05 syv: Honestly the problem with horror smut is that no matter how bad it gets, it's someone's unironic fetish.
08:48:35 syv: "Oh yeah, he gets eaten from the inside out by insects? That's totally hot."
08:49:30 ER: the most fleshhorror of fruit
08:49:49 syv: The purifying power of flame!
08:50:05 MidJag: BURN IT ALL IN CLEANSING FIRE!
08:50:44 syv: Well, you're in the South.
08:51:44 Devastator: Yes, florida is sort of in reverse.
08:51:54 Devastator: it's more south the more north you are.
08:51:55 MidJag: Yes, but not in tempature.
08:54:27 MidJag: Okay that's kinda a great tie in.
08:54:56 MidJag: This is like metalocalpyse but like in literary form.
08:55:29 Devastator: one down, a couple million more to go.
08:58:28 MidJag: Huh, it's intresting, he never read the manuscript, so he doesn't actually know what's going to happen.
09:00:45 Devastator: Well, you're the next protagonist.
09:00:56 Devastator: Wonder where they shot this.
09:01:01 syv: He's been the protagonist the whole time.
09:01:03 Devastator: I think I recognize that hill.
09:01:10 MidJag: I guess he should have stuck in some smut.
09:02:23 MidJag: Man that was an awesome movie
09:02:34 MidJag: Good choice whoever rec'd it.
09:02:51 syv: And I just feel uncomfortable now. :(
09:03:09 syv: The Thing wasn't actually a scary movie for me, I just thought it was cool.
09:03:46 MidJag: Yeah, I didn't find it that scary.
09:03:49 ER: I have faith in my ability to reject someone else's canon! :D
09:03:52 syv: I am vulnerable to jump scares, alright?
09:04:10 MidJag: But the thing is made of jump scares.
09:04:46 syv: This was insanity, made no sense, and wasn't logical.
09:04:57 syv: The Thing is really pretty concrete and logical, solid.
09:05:04 syv: I am allergic to absurdity.
09:05:27 ER: you'll probably be sad when you become a zonehopper then
09:05:27 MidJag: One of my favorite books is Catch-22.
09:05:38 Devastator: The jumpscare quotient wasn't too bad, only had it covering half the screen.
09:05:50 Devastator: but yes, didn't make too much sense.
09:05:54 syv: Yeah, which I recommended to you, and which has always just made me just feel deeply sick and uncomfortable.
09:06:05 syv: Moreso than this movie, actually.
09:06:12 Devastator: that was a very tough read.
09:06:26 MidJag: I thought it was pretty straightforward honestlly.
09:06:29 syv: If you want you can search for the..
09:06:42 ER: one of the games I want to GM eventually is entirely this crap :p
09:06:47 syv: Catch-22? Straightforward?
09:07:01 MidJag: Yeah, I mean it's non-chronological but everything still goes together.
09:07:56 Devastator: Straightforward for catch-22..
09:08:15 MidJag: I mean it occasionally it feels like your reading a dream, but if you just ride it, it carries you to the end without that much difficulty.
09:08:17 Devastator: but not straightforward.
09:08:39 syv: I mean by that logic a spiral is straightforward.
09:09:04 MidJag: I never felt lost reading it, lemme put it that way.
09:09:16 Devastator: mmm, that could work, yeah.
09:09:24 Devastator: straightforward like a celtic knot.
09:09:30 Devastator: there's only one line.
09:09:36 Devastator: it's just really effing messed up.
09:10:41 MidJag: Oh yeah, like there's some distrubing parts of the book and it definetlly captures the utter insanity of burecarcy, but if you just embrace the fact that everything is a paradox .
09:11:54 syv: "Yes, it's completely insane, but if you let your mind go and traipse along with the butterflies, you'll find insanity is really quite sane."
09:12:59 Devastator: The similarity of the point of view to the title of the novel is something.
09:13:10 ER: wait, why was the movie theater playing the movie if there was nobody there
09:13:14 Devastator: It's not incomprehensable if you are capable of understanding it first.
09:13:28 syv: It was playing the movie and it drove the viewers insane.
09:13:40 Devastator: automated theater that was set up earlier that day?
09:13:41 syv: Possibly was just playing on repeat.
09:13:55 Devastator: I was more questioning why a movie of a novel that came out that same day.
09:13:56 ER: don't you need a guy to go and reset the reel
09:14:06 Devastator: I don't know anymore these days.
09:14:11 syv: Nah, he was in the asylum for a month.
09:14:22 Devastator: wonder why it took a month, then.
09:14:40 syv: The movie took like four months, I think.
09:15:27 MidJag: But I dunno, I think my brain just naturally is fine with things kinda skipping around and having to patch together a plot based off random scenes.
09:15:29 syv: The guy said he gave him the manuscript months ago, and the movie would be released in a month, do four months between the manuscript being given away and the movie premiere.
09:15:50 syv: ...So Catch-22 is like experiencing the inside of your mind,
MJ?
09:16:20 Devastator: that's still damn fast, but heh.
09:16:25 syv: Your life is the stuff of my nightmares.
09:16:28 MidJag: Especially if I don't take any like focalin.
09:17:07 MidJag: I am a very annoying person without focalin
09:17:10 syv:
Dev, consider the fact that their protagonist was a real person who was just wandering around while they made the movie.
09:17:22 syv: I'm guessing the movie was straight up magic.
09:17:32 syv: Ahhh, I hope Uzumaki premieres soonish.
09:17:32 MidJag: Oh nice, I quite like ghost.
09:17:41 syv: That's another thing that makes me horribly uncomfortable.
09:17:59 Devastator: Yeah, I mean, the book was.
09:18:11 Devastator: we don't have to watch stuff that makes you uncomfortable,
syv.
09:18:12 syv:
MJ, are you sure this is the same ghost?
09:18:30 syv: Nono, that's something I want to share with this IRC. I read the manga. It was good.
09:18:55 MidJag: I like both ghost bands.
09:19:03 Devastator: well it made me uncomfortable.
09:19:26 MidJag: I like ghost the band and this ghost vocaloid thing is intresting to listen to sometimes.
09:20:11 syv: And
Dev, what made you uncomfortable?
09:20:15 MidJag: Though this one is a bit too industrial for my tastes. I like at least the vaguest hint of melody.
09:20:32 Devastator: Probably the 'you are your own instruments of your destruction' part of Uzu.
09:21:23 MidJag: But yeah, Catch-22 is kinda similar to the way I think at times.
09:21:24 Devastator: Also, tearing off fingernails/toenails is something that really icks me out.
09:21:33 syv: GHOST is going through some kinda mental breakdown.
09:22:39 syv: Stopped doing Vocaloids, posted a video about being overwhelmed with stress and anxiety, abandoned all her social media, started publishing weird creepy nonsense music with background video of smashing mannequins with hammers...
09:23:19 MidJag: Would also explain why there is essentially no melody for this particular vocaloid.
09:25:03 syv: I mean, this feels like it'd slot in fine with the movie we just watched, as far as theme.
09:25:54 MidJag: Hmm, yeah, I could see the mental breakdown angle.
09:26:24 MidJag: ...Is that russian vocaloid?
09:30:43 MidJag: Welp, at least the other Ghost is doing fine.
09:30:45 syv: She has a video where she talks and explains things just before that.
09:31:12 syv: Apparently has a therapist and is trying to deal with her troubles, so... not too bad?
09:31:25 MidJag: A positive sign at least.
09:35:01 MidJag: Have we ever watched Reanimator as a group?
09:43:12 MidJag: Huh, apperenlty the Russian Carrier has missles.
09:43:24 MidJag: Like vertical long range missles.
09:47:16 ER: nature isn't very good at writing. this makes me sad
09:48:03 MidJag: How old is nature anyway?
09:48:45 syv: Depending on your definition 13.8 to 3.7 billion years old.
09:50:02 MidJag: Would not have guessed that.
09:50:18 Devastator: Yes, she was born in 1999.
09:50:23 Devastator: or yesterday, depending on how you look at it.
09:50:37 MidJag: I would have guesssed she was like 15.
09:51:09 Devastator: think she was sheltered.
09:51:16 MidJag: Just based off her general demeanor...and general planning ability.
09:51:39 syv: Someone has to hold down the far end of the bell curve.
09:52:08 Devastator: That Xavi person in PS is pretty sharp.
09:53:01 ER: they certainly seem predisposed towards careful planning :P
09:53:45 MidJag: Man, sometimes I wonder how I came off when I first started posting.
09:59:02 ER: thankfully, my very earliest posting history was on another forum ;p
09:59:21 ER: though you could probably still find it under my current username, I think?
09:59:51 MidJag: Bay 12 was the first and also only forum I've ever really used.
10:00:09 MidJag: I'm not a big fan of this whole "writing" thing.
10:01:42 ER: which is why I'm sad that nature's not good at it :(
10:03:00 Devastator: I like good writing too.
10:03:08 Devastator: thanks for the extinction feedback too,
MJ.
10:03:18 MidJag: I like good writing. I'm just personally bad at it.
10:04:29 syv: Huh. That looks uncannily professional for DF.
10:04:48 ER: I'm actually looking forwards to the new DF UI, though I might end up playing it ascii anyways
10:05:11 syv: That actually looks good enough I might prefer it.
10:05:19 syv: Though I'll always have the ASCII version.
10:05:31 syv: If nothing else, so I can screw with spectators.
10:05:33 MidJag: Same. It does look good as hell.
10:06:34 Devastator: I have enough trouble playing Stone Soup already.
10:06:40 Devastator: dont' want DF: Stone Soup edition.
10:08:36 Devastator remembers working workshops around having useless stockpiles.
10:09:24 Devastator: mmm, ui reformulation.
10:09:35 Devastator: same functionality, different UI.
10:09:42 Devastator: that's the one I find a pita.
10:09:53 MidJag: Yeah military would be great.
10:10:31 MidJag: I think when I was first getting into the game I acccidently had all my soliders charge into battle naked armed with nothing but their hands and teeth.
10:11:45 Devastator: When I first started the game, I had to plan out a room that I wanted my dwarves to dress in, so I could make them pick up the right equipment. ;-p
10:12:08 Devastator: It was pretty straightforward, actually.
10:12:12 Devastator: just need an empty room.
10:12:17 Devastator: build the workshop there.
10:12:19 Devastator: make the gear there.
10:12:31 Devastator: and as you make each piece, decorate it as you want.
10:12:43 MidJag: I was not that smart when I first started playing
10:12:58 Devastator: then you'll have a pile with one dwarf's worth of decorated special gear right there and ready.
10:13:10 Devastator: so you move the dwarf there, equip the dwarf, and bam, snazzy equipment.
10:13:21 Devastator: it was actually easier than doing it the way it works these days.
10:13:58 Devastator: where you have to select the stuff, rather than just have it be selected by virtue of location.
10:14:01 MidJag: oh wow, he's adding mouse support.
10:15:00 ER: but yeah, part of the point of a stream release is to try to attract people who are used to normal UIs ;P
10:15:12 ER: or at least like, CK2 and Rimworld players
10:18:26 ER: I mean harcore strategy gamers who would be confused why their strategy game controls like nethack, except less intuitive
10:18:59 Devastator: that would be the outer fringe of 'hardcore' then.
10:19:49 Devastator: Here, take this text-only strategy game.
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10:28:22 Devastator: I couldn't make it through that slog.
10:29:25 ER: hears about monsters, figures out that the local county isn't sufficiently defended, does an insurrection, dies
10:30:26 Devastator: yes, because monsters at the gate are a good time for civil war.
10:30:51 Devastator: 'sparring accident'
10:31:03 Devastator: my money was on 'got killed like an idiot.'
10:31:07 Devastator: somehow that's dumber.
10:31:07 ER: to be fair, monsters have been at the gate for the past like, 600 years
11:23:38 Devastator: well, time to do extinction.
11:34:17 Devastator: next weekend, probably.
11:34:25 Devastator: maybe during the week if it ends up being slow like last one.
11:34:45 Devastator: Dorren fumbles his random element check and tries to burn down Frost Whelp with a cold spell.
11:35:17 Devastator: that said, he does have attack spells in every primary element, so..
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