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04:59:20 syv: How does this night find you?
05:00:12 Devastator: For how is it that this night finds thou?
05:01:21 syv: Pretty good, considering. Feeling alright. A bit tired.
05:01:55 Devastator: found my Revenant character.
05:03:05 syv: Aaaand logs are down. Ah well, simple enough link to type.
05:04:21 syv: A single crow managed to bring down a trained merc?
05:04:36 syv: A very crappily trained merc, or a very impressive crow? O.o
05:05:13 Devastator: just amused at how well resident evil infected zombie crows track to my revenant character. ;-p
05:05:21 Devastator: could make that headcanon or whatever.
05:06:18 Devastator: oh, also, could use some advice.
05:06:20 Devastator: what gun would be best for shooting supers?
05:07:09 Devastator: 'semblance of life' could easily be translated to zombie virus infection or something.
05:07:51 Devastator: in Ariane, I bet the mage's clothing spell can make shoes.
05:07:55 Devastator: should do that before fleshhallway.
05:08:50 syv: (
Devastator) what gun would be best for shooting supers?
05:08:59 Devastator: but low-grade ones.
05:09:07 Devastator: like if you had to fight low end supers.
05:09:14 syv: That depends a ton on the superhero and what their powers are, and what kinda situation you're in.
05:09:49 Devastator: Well, where would you start?
05:10:16 syv: I could see the answer being "handgun" (concealable), "sniper rifle" (powerful and good for a surprise hit), or "compact battle rifle" (automatic spray of high caliber rounds from close range).
05:10:42 Devastator: concealability isn't a problem.
05:10:51 Devastator: but compact battle rifle sounds about right.
05:10:57 Devastator: surprise hits aren't also that useful.
05:11:04 syv: Safest bet, I'd say, is a high caliber sniper. Hits if they stand still for a couple seconds, in the required position, and has the best odds of getting through whatever invulnerability they have.
05:11:05 Devastator: would that be much better than say a semi-auto shotgun?
05:11:19 Devastator: huge enough the latter won't help?
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05:12:10 MidJag: Merry Christmas too you
Devastator
05:12:22 syv: Heya Jaggers, merry christmas!
05:12:28 MidJag: and hiya
syv, Merry christmas!
05:13:10 Devastator: Nah though, the battle rifle and a sniper choice would both probably have use. Could you decide on one of each?
05:14:29 MidJag: Not bad, had a very pleasant chritmas despite my expectations.
05:14:36 syv: 4.4 J for a strong shotgun slug, 3.5 J for a .308
05:14:48 syv: Both assuming a long barrel, mind.
05:15:36 syv: I'd strongly prefer an automatic rifle (assuming the user has some training and experience with it).
05:16:07 syv: If I had to choose one thing myself, though, I'd definitely go with a 50 cal sniper.
05:16:22 Devastator: I'll change weapons at the first opportunity, then.
05:16:43 syv: Barrett is classic and iconic.
05:17:08 Devastator: I meant for the battle rifle.
05:17:38 syv: FAL is classic and iconic. My favorite would likely be shortened SCAR-H.
05:17:53 Devastator: created a char in a supers game. Most amusing part of the lot is that the GM took notes on everyone's character.. except mine. ;-p
05:18:19 syv: If you want something neat and strange, the Russian ASh-12.7
05:19:29 syv: Half the power, and subsonic so it's really even less lethality than that'd imply, but it's an integrally suppressed fifty battle rifle meant for CQB.
05:19:56 MidJag: The russians always make weird but cool guns
05:20:14 Devastator: the SCAR-H is probably fine.
05:20:36 Devastator: the goal is to do crazy things, not make it hard for the GM to parse.
05:21:03 syv: The russians don't make AK clones! They make bleh AKs.
05:21:46 Devastator: yeah, clones are for people not the russians.
05:22:10 syv: The Serbians make really good AK clones.
05:22:15 syv: Better than the originals!
05:23:27 syv: Higher manufacturing quality and design. Not nearly as cheap, basically.
05:23:51 syv: Which, you could argue, means they're worse; the strength of an AK is being dirt cheap.
05:24:02 Devastator: that's a strength if you aren't the one firing it.
05:24:04 syv: But in terms of actual quality, they're better.
05:24:07 Devastator: if you have one, that doesn't help.
05:24:42 MidJag: Ah so like the fins and mosins, were they took a dirt cheap russian gun and made it better quality stuff.
05:24:52 syv: Though I'm unsure about how their stuff (which are better-made versions of old designs) compare to the modern modern AKs like the AK107 and AK12.
05:27:03 Devastator: wasn't the PPsH the reverse-version of that process?
05:27:35 syv: WWII was an awesome time for SMGs.
05:28:10 Devastator: eveyone wanted them and there were no set models?
05:28:45 syv: And there was a ton of experimentation and variation!
05:29:39 Devastator: and there were good ones and cheap ones.
05:29:47 syv: MP40, Thompson, PPSh, Beretta M38.
05:30:11 syv: And then yeah, tons of cheaper stamped weapons just made to put things in people's hands, because it turned out SMGs were AWESOME.
05:32:04 syv: I find it really weird how significant development kinda stopped on them, though. The great majority of SMGs are straight blowback. For... not much reason?
05:32:28 MidJag: I think it's because of the rise in body armor and AR's.
05:32:48 syv: The MP5 is a pretty old design at this point, and is really quite simple really, it just applies AR tech to SMGs. But... that's not really done much, outside the MP5.
05:33:10 syv: Which is despite the MP5 having huge dominance and being crazy popular, precisely because of doing this.
05:33:14 Devastator: isn't it still like really good?
05:33:45 syv: But it's really just a miniaturized G3.
05:34:00 syv: And the MP7 is a lot like a mini G36.
05:34:40 Devastator: and you would suggest them for the magical girls..
05:34:59 syv: But everyone else making SMGs based on ARs are really just making subcompact ARs that are really small.
05:36:38 Devastator: not making SMGs that are based on AR tech?
05:36:41 Devastator: what's the difference?
05:37:03 syv: I've generally recommended the Vikhr for magical girls, which is basically in the "subcompact AR" category. Though really it's just weird, since it's in a caliber that doesn't really fall into any normal categories.
05:37:34 syv: They're still guns chambered in full size intermediate cartridges, rather than pistol cartridges.
05:37:56 MidJag: I just google the Vikhr, what the hell is that caliber?
05:38:25 syv: Same as the VSS and AS Val
05:39:08 syv: The Vikhr is sorta-kinda the replacment for the latter, but in practice kinda fills in the role of PDW/SMG to the VSS's sniper rifle, and the Val's assault rifle.
05:39:22 Devastator: so it's the russian's take on the silenced SMG?
05:39:47 syv: Except better than the usual, because the caliber is intended and designed around the role it's used in.
05:39:57 syv: Which is mostly just not done by anyone.
05:40:07 MidJag: ve never fully figurred ouut the russians obssesions with silencing rifles. It's russia, no one cares if you shoot someone~
05:41:00 syv: They make the coolest silenced guns, and I love silenced guns, so I'm happy with it.
05:41:34 Devastator: speaking of that, did you hear how that opposition leader called up one of the members of the hit team on him and conducted an interview?
05:42:09 syv: (
syv) They're still guns chambered in full size intermediate cartridges, rather than pistol cartridges.
05:42:09 syv: But yeah, the Mk18 is basically an M4A1 with a 10" barrel, for instance, and is kiiinda basically "big SMG" size, but is still chambered in 5.56x45mm.
05:43:13 MidJag: I did, and it is maaizng
05:43:23 MidJag: God damint I can not type todya
05:44:14 syv: Don't worry, I can still understand you fine.
05:47:00 Devastator: that includes both full transcripts and recordings.
05:47:43 MidJag: It's kinda weird that they go to that much troubel to kill the guy and then have that shitty of insosex
05:48:02 Devastator: They don't care if everyone knows who did it.
05:48:10 Devastator: part of the point is so other targets fear to be killed.
05:48:12 MidJag: That type of typo is going to get me into trouble one of these days
05:48:17 Devastator: so it's not necessary to be 100% secret.
05:48:32 MidJag: But still this is kinda excessive.
05:48:38 Devastator: Just be sloppy, lie about it, and the other dissidents are scared.
05:48:42 Devastator: Yes, this was a fuckup.
05:49:10 Devastator: shows that Navalany knows his shit, though.
05:49:33 Devastator: not a win for putin, that one.
05:49:49 MidJag: Like I agree with the sloppy but there's a difference between sloppy and detailing your entire operation and it's practices in an confession to the guy you just tried to kill whil thinking it's your superior officer.
05:50:07 Devastator: sadly, a functional CIA would have the duped guy extracted already.
05:50:40 Devastator: extracted and flipped as a trainer.
05:50:49 Devastator: the duped guy. He's dead.
05:50:59 Devastator: I mean, not yet, but.. yeah.
05:51:30 MidJag: Sorry brains overhwlemed by just how much food I've consumed today.
05:52:02 Devastator: anyway, it's a blow, and them having to reinvent half their infosec apparatus will probably slow down some other operations.
05:52:15 syv: "I'm an encryption nerd, infosex is my life"
05:52:27 Devastator: not huge, but that's spy wars. Just take a lot of little wins and they add up.
05:52:54 Devastator: that's hugely embarassing.
05:54:21 Devastator: 'The premise of the call was that Navalny — playing the role of “Maxim Ustinov” — would ask the officers for an oral report on the reasons for the failure of the Navalny poisoning operation.'
05:54:32 Devastator: titanium balls, man.
05:54:39 MidJag: It's like a bad movie plot I have to admit
05:54:58 MidJag: If you showed me this as a script I'd say it's completly unrealistic because no one is that stupid.
05:55:04 Devastator: Nah, it's totally believable. The right lie to the right person with the right thing backing him up.. the spoofed id, enough knowledge.
05:55:16 Devastator: Nah, people are more than dumb enough to fall for that. Probably could have gotten even more people.
05:55:50 MidJag: True true, but still, god damn. The opposition leader could have a very succsefull carreer as a con artist if the whole leader of russian opposition falls through.
05:56:34 Devastator: it'll take a lot of effort to resurrect effective Russian opposition.
05:56:42 Devastator: but a big step, a huge step..
05:56:49 Devastator: well, it's hard to underestimate this.
05:56:59 Devastator: but about 10-15% of all russians would back someone else 'if there was another leader'
05:57:05 MidJag: 2020's been a weird years thats for sure.
05:57:28 Devastator: Any single mainline prominent leader could do that, if sufficiently famous and competent enough.
05:57:54 Devastator: in addition to the actual effective opposition numbers of about that same amount.
05:58:15 Devastator: so another couple moves and he'll be swinging 25-30% support.
05:59:03 Devastator: which wouldn't oust Putin, but it would be incredibly distracting and force a ton of money to be spent domestically.
06:00:05 Devastator: ousting putin would take somewhere in the 60% range, which isn't achievable currently. Need to remake the russian media environment to do that.
06:00:45 MidJag: Also it would just be pretty funny to see.
06:00:56 Devastator: it'd be amusing, yeah.
06:04:36 syv: Reading through that article.
06:09:30 MidJag: Really it would have only been better if he got him to give him like his username password and credit card infromatoin just to further the cold caller scammer stereotype~
06:10:06 Devastator: pay for the DHL shipment of a defunct washing machine.
06:16:50 Devastator: That guy had to stop because it was getting too professional.
06:17:02 Devastator: some of the people working with him got into recovery of large quantities of credit cards.
06:17:09 MidJag: Convinced him the warrrenty on his car neeeded reneweel in the form of gift cards~
06:17:38 Devastator: but don't scam people for money.
06:18:53 syv: I love this Navalny guy. He really does know his shit.
06:19:16 syv: Really perfectly keeping some pressure on, while also working with the guy and being on his side.
06:19:50 MidJag: It's like hey this is urgent, but I understand it's not your fault and we're all just doing our job, pretty genius.
06:20:24 Devastator: to be fair, he's probably worked with burecrats before.
06:20:31 Devastator: and quite possibly FSB agents.
06:20:54 Devastator: but yes, it was well done.
06:21:13 MidJag: The weird part to me is that guy who got duped is supposed to be an expert on like toxins and just doesnt seem to give many specific details and such.
06:21:32 Devastator: he's a cleanup guy it seemed.
06:21:42 Devastator: gave details on his portion of the job.
06:22:24 MidJag: Right, but he didn't go into details about the cleanup, just menitoned solutiosn and such.
06:22:51 MidJag: Though I guess he would expect a burecreat to not know or care about the specifics so I could see why he wouldn't go into the specifics.
06:25:15 syv: Yeah, I imagine that's the case. He also seemed scared to me; the less details he gives, the less likely someone later can catch him and say "A-ha! You failed protocol by doing X!"
06:25:42 syv: "We, uh, we did the thing. It was done well. No problems, no problems at all!"
06:26:52 Devastator: of course he's scared.
06:26:58 Devastator: he works for a murder agency.
06:27:05 Devastator: and his team screwed up.
06:28:04 MidJag: But god that man plays the role of semi bored burecrat trying to resolve an internal issue before becomes his issue to a T. It's amazing.
06:29:27 MidJag: And I know this because I talk to a fuckton of those guys. They never have all the right stuff, and they're always only mostly cognizant of things.
06:29:41 MidJag: And he does it perfectlly.
06:30:22 Devastator: they're also always so happy when someone has everything all lined up.
06:32:45 Devastator: You can also see the point when the guy realizes "It's not going to be me blamed for this!"
06:33:00 Devastator: relaxes quite a lot.
06:33:31 MidJag: “K: This is what my superiors have decided, therefore, it is probably correct. The method is a good one.
06:33:31 MidJag: M: Well, he remains alive, therefore, it is not that good. Do you understand what I am saying?”
06:33:48 MidJag: This is the most perfect excahnge I have to say.
06:34:03 Devastator: "The job WAS NOT A SUCCESS"
06:36:10 Devastator: and I thought my job was a pain.
06:36:24 Devastator: (Had a bad week. But that guy may be setting a new low bar.)
06:36:32 Devastator: as in the worst workweek ever.
06:37:38 MidJag: That is not a good time.
06:37:52 syv: Oh, I love telling the guy you attempted to murder "[You] are meticulous, always cautious." as a way to excuse why you failed to kill him.
06:38:48 MidJag: I've never figured out why the russians let him leave their own hospital.
06:38:54 MidJag: That's what I don't get.
06:39:06 MidJag: Surelly they could have just killed him in their own hospital.
06:39:33 Devastator: They didn't let him leave.
06:39:51 Devastator: he was taken out against their will.
06:40:04 MidJag: That's what I don't understand, I'm still not sure how that happened
06:40:21 MidJag: They're a dictatorship, Can't they just say no?
06:40:33 syv: People high up can say no.
06:40:46 syv: But that no has to go all the way down the line.
06:42:26 MidJag: Heh, I'm kinda curious if the russian paramedics would be particuarlly good at treating poisinng cases~
06:42:45 Devastator: They were, in this case.
06:42:49 Devastator: nah, it looks straightforward.
06:42:55 Devastator: First person there with clout was his wife.
06:43:03 Devastator: she brought a full on plane full of German doctors.
06:44:06 MidJag: Still seems odd. But eh.
06:44:18 Devastator: Nah, it makes sense.
06:44:22 Devastator: the landing was in Omsk of all places.
06:44:32 syv: I like how he blames the medics.
06:44:44 syv: "The people trying to save him were too competent!"
06:44:59 Devastator: Nobody with any degree of power ends up in Omsk.
06:45:07 syv: "Russian assassination of Russian politician fails because Russian medics are too good."
06:45:10 Devastator: It's basically a exile post.
06:45:19 MidJag: Ah, didn't know that
dev
06:45:29 syv: I don't know anything about Omsk.
06:45:44 Devastator: It's in the arse-end of nowhere.
06:46:00 MidJag: Man I hope those medics are good at dissapeeraring before they get dissapeared.
06:46:14 Devastator: The russian ones? Not sure.
06:46:24 Devastator: usually civvies get shoved out of windows or 'mugged'
06:46:42 Devastator: Nah, putin's had docs killed before.
06:47:02 Devastator: Could go either way.
06:47:15 MidJag: Yeah, like those 3 who "fell" out of a window
06:47:33 MidJag: Oh we should watch the death of stalin for a movie night.
06:47:49 MidJag: And the exact type of dark comedy this IRC likes
06:47:51 syv: They... did what was expected of doctors. And did it competently. They weren't involved in any way. I guess you could argue they should've known thst it was an intentional poisoning, and it's against their country to cure a poisoning by their country... but maaaan that'd be a hard argument to make.
06:48:11 Devastator: he killed a few docs for telling the truth about Covid in Russia
06:48:15 syv: And in the sense of just, like... making anything better? Killing some rando doctors doesn't help much of anything.
06:48:35 MidJag: I could see the docs gettting killed. It's Russia.
06:48:44 Devastator: no, it doesn't. The goal might be 'don't learn how to treat nerve agent poisonings, because the only people poisoned by nerve agents are enemies of the state.'
06:49:08 MidJag: TI's not even about killing the right guy it's about making people worried about getting killed.
06:50:31 MidJag: Yeah, I think your right
dev, I think the wife just brought a critical mass of doctors to out doctor the russian docs.
06:50:45 MidJag: Reading up about how he left the hospital
06:50:56 Devastator: Yeah, I mean, the docs would have had no complaints.
06:51:04 Devastator: and there probably would have only been like two or three guards, maybe.
06:51:21 Devastator: and you know really good docs are really good at yelling at people.
06:52:00 Devastator: The impressive part is mobilizing the docs in time.
06:52:15 Devastator: that's very impressive.
06:52:30 MidJag: Yeah, and if you have enough of them it turns into more like a battering ram that they'll be obeyed because they're clearlly the ones who know what's going on.
06:52:41 MidJag: So yeah, I could tottally see it.
06:52:47 Devastator: yeah, and with two on each guard, and four on the patient, say..
06:52:56 Devastator: that's all they need.
06:53:02 syv: Oh man, I can just imagine having a whole squad of doctors yelling at me.
06:53:08 Devastator: so you only need like ten, twelve people.
06:53:15 syv: ONE can be awfully domineering.
06:53:17 Devastator: plus probably some vehicle.
06:53:38 syv: Twelve could make people believe absurdities.
06:53:52 MidJag: I've had a whole squad of docs yelling at me...granted that was because they were on a fishing trip and they were yelling encouragement to catch a fish, but still, jesus.
06:56:07 MidJag: You should have seen it when the guide cut his hand. It was like a bunch of pirhannas but with gauze and differing opinions~
06:58:02 syv: Just finished the interview.
06:58:03 Devastator: well, off to the bookmarks.
06:58:41 MidJag: Hey, I showed you that one~
07:01:09 MidJag: So for a christmas present my dad got a book from 1943 that is a book of WWII pictures, and was essentially like a summation of 1943.
07:02:20 MidJag: It's also like, pretty racist I gotta say.
07:03:17 Devastator: well, from 1943, while at war with Japan.
07:03:40 MidJag: Really it's not as racist as I expected honestlly
07:05:17 syv: Reading a bit about Navalny now.
07:05:46 syv: Apparently he's a bit racist, according to the little writeup on Wikipedia. Dunno how good it is in this case.
07:06:06 MidJag: Honestly by 40's standards would probably have been considered pretty proggesive towards black people.
07:06:07 Devastator: I'd be surprised if he isn't.
07:06:13 syv: Very very anti-Putin, of course. Apparently also favors same sex marriage.
07:06:18 Devastator: there's a lot of racist as fuck russians.
07:06:26 Devastator: also a lot of very anti-gay ones.
07:06:31 Devastator: favoring same sex marriage is quite unusual.
07:06:43 syv: Yep. Says he's the only political leader who does.
07:07:14 syv: I could very easily see nationalistic and racist stances being essentially required to have any shot at influence.
07:07:26 syv: Can't be *too* far from the status quo.
07:08:06 Devastator: might be not true and intended to undermine support. ;-p
07:08:12 Devastator: but probably not hard to find that out from his mouth.
07:08:23 Devastator: most anti-gay people I've known won't ever speak out against it.
07:08:51 Devastator: that is, in favor of it.
07:09:44 syv: I don't follow those last two linea.
07:10:19 Devastator: most anti-gay people can't bring themselves to act respectfully.
07:10:31 Devastator: even if they'd be lying.
07:10:49 Devastator: well, if they're hardliner politicians. They always use alternate phrasings and such.
07:10:52 MidJag: Most anti gay people I've met are pretty obvious about it in my experince
07:11:43 MidJag: I also live in the south so like it might be a bit different
07:12:08 syv: I live in a very Repulican area.
07:13:14 MidJag: It's funny, I know a very conserivative guy from miami, I don't know why I find that so funny, I just do.
07:13:18 syv: And yeah, can't really think of anyone I've met in IRL, whose stance I learned, and who wasn't either "homosexuality is disgusting" or "it's totes fine, whatever."
07:14:56 MidJag: Yeah, I'd say most people I've met with one notable exception are pretty blunt about it.
07:15:14 syv: Online, online I'd say it's much more subtle.
07:15:48 syv: Sometimes people go on big anti-gay rants, or big pro-rights rants, but there's waaaay more of a mushy gray zone.
07:16:19 Devastator: partly a good thing, really. Don't want to read a rant every time a topic comes up.
07:16:33 syv: And I've definitely talked to people on the fence. A number of kids now who had clearly anti-gay upbringings, but were also kinda uncertain. Interesting to talk to.
07:16:51 MidJag: In my experince most people are more likelly to to do anti abortion rants then anything else.
07:16:54 syv: In all cases, the "kinda against but not really sure" were from VERY conservative countries.
07:25:01 Devastator: if you think up any good strange magic ideas for my next SG, I'd like to hear them.
07:25:07 Devastator: this would be one-off powers and such.
07:26:05 syv: Sent this to
MJ, but
Dev, you might like it too.
07:28:40 Devastator: I wonder if someone's done a good video on the SL-1 Incident.
07:41:59 Devastator: experimental small-scale reactor.
07:42:14 Devastator: pretty serious accident.
07:43:01 MidJag: Oh I think I know this one
07:51:08 MidJag: well I think I'm going to bed, night
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07:59:17 Devastator: that's gonna take me a while.
08:00:53 syv: This is yet another "explains speedruns" Youtube that I don't believe I've ever seen before, and uses about this same style.
08:01:08 syv: Also, sounds vaugely like Pannen.
08:01:38 Devastator: Bismuth predated all the others.
08:01:59 Devastator: don't know if he always made videos, but he's like a really old salt in the community.
08:03:50 Devastator: yeah, looks like not on the videos.
08:21:35 Devastator: hmm, looks like some SL-1 videos.
08:29:19 Devastator: oh man, that brings me back.
08:33:34 Devastator: 'health physics' is still an amusing term.
08:34:20 Devastator: the video quality is reminding me of my childhood.
08:34:24 Devastator: so many movies like that.
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18:58:18 Devastator: well, with crow-boy it's probably more brains.
18:58:23 Devastator: I did have guts in there, but eh.
18:58:39 Devastator: but that should be sufficiently detailed orders.
19:02:05 Devastator: bird might not get to murder anything else all game, should take advantage of this chance.
19:02:58 ER: I hope tric actually shows up this time
19:04:33 Devastator: well, you could probably replace Tric if you wanted to.
19:04:42 Devastator: one of the other zombies might have gained enough power to be a PC.
19:05:18 ER: nah, that requires something which happens before reanimation
19:05:44 ER: the souls of zombies have already moved on, and they're driven by something else
19:06:04 Devastator: can that clothes spell in Ariane's make shoes?
19:06:13 Devastator: I'd be willing to go on if it does.
19:06:17 ER: you have to consiously or subconciously decide to stay
19:06:32 Devastator: mmm, yeah, should do that then.
19:06:39 Devastator: having shoes would be a big help in fleshhalls.
19:07:27 ER: they'd be kind of more like galoshes than shoes
19:07:41 ER: that substance is basically plastic
19:07:58 ER: also you couldn't wander away from Mel without them dissipating
19:08:01 Devastator: I'm fine with galoshes.
19:08:07 Devastator: and good to remember that.
19:11:50 Devastator: she's a catgirl, but not Katia, so shoes shouldn't be optional.
19:12:15 ER: I think you have socks in your bag
19:12:44 ER: you said to put them on, once. but that order was "after we wake up", so...
19:14:50 Devastator: can we just have them on?
19:15:21 ER: I mean, you can put them on...
21:37:46 Devastator: ok, I'll put wear socks into the orders.
22:55:52 Devastator: updated for Trence.
22:55:59 Devastator: he continues his amazing abilities at sneaking.
22:56:05 Devastator: and the drama dice have returned.
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