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04:21:48 Devastator: I meant screwed in any future attempts to communicate, contact, encounter, etcetera,
Piecewise_also.
04:21:54 Devastator: ie, 'there are no more angels, now.'
04:22:25 Piecewise_also: Well, she's dead so talking to her is never really gonna happen. You're basically just shaking worms from the corpse when you did that
04:23:10 Piecewise_also: Don't think of her as a god
04:23:21 Devastator: I'm just not sure what the difference between 'living' and 'dead' is, since there seem to be a lot more things than that.
04:24:15 Devastator: 'extra dead' 'double dead' 'sort of dead' and if their things can be traded around..
04:25:12 Devastator: still, I suppose that's relatively good news.
04:25:22 Piecewise_also: If Radio posted his interactions with that goddess it would probably be clearer but eh
04:25:55 Devastator: yeah, I mean, that looked like communication.
04:26:10 Devastator: but there was a tool involved too.
04:26:50 Piecewise_also: She wasn't dead though
04:27:17 Devastator: The one in the lead thing looked dead.
04:27:21 Devastator: was that one alive?
04:28:00 Piecewise_also: Just barely, long preserved at the last moments of life, but yes
04:28:14 Piecewise_also: her death is what released that forest
04:28:49 Devastator: gj then,
RC, two reasons to go after them, if Saeko knew that.
04:29:23 Piecewise_also: *shrug* she was ok with it
04:29:53 Devastator: I could see that, but.. eh.
04:30:06 Devastator: oh well, poking around with stuff you don't understand is more offensive that way, anyway.
04:30:13 Devastator: and going to be doing plenty of that.
04:30:36 Devastator: still, kinda :-( to know that I can't talk to a memory of Sky or something like that.
04:30:56 Piecewise_also: You could find memories of her
04:31:07 Devastator: when a dead god can release thousands of tons of angels or create massive jungles.
04:31:15 Devastator: but can't have a conversation with a memory..
04:31:28 Piecewise_also: Dead gods have all their power, none of their...them
04:31:34 Piecewise_also: they are forces, not people anymore
04:31:57 Piecewise_also: You could speak to Poseidon, but not a tidal wave.
04:32:22 Piecewise_also: There are ways to interact with what she was. Just not straight forward as invoking her
04:32:27 Devastator: Can't get a good blessing if all that's possible is stealing domains, either.
04:33:21 Devastator: eh, I'll do a few things, look at the stars in the sky, but yeah, that doesn't seem likely to happen like that.
04:33:39 Devastator: not your fault, just not my kind of thing.
04:33:48 Piecewise_also: There is of course that one...other god up there
04:34:05 Piecewise_also: Well a few actually but if we're talking big boys
04:34:44 Devastator: well, there's the Sun. Don't see any other gods around.
04:35:14 Devastator: mechanist hive seems to be something different.
04:36:39 Devastator: mmm, if all that's available are domains, maybe I should skip the blessing. Don't want to accidently do that.
04:36:46 Devastator: ..but then again, IC, nothing is known about that.
04:36:55 Devastator: ..so I'll just try my idea and what happens happens.
04:37:36 Piecewise_also: Yeah was talking about the sun
04:38:02 Devastator: well, encountering the sun will hopefully be deliberate.
04:38:09 Devastator: no idea where to begin with that.
04:38:26 Devastator: which is the most annoying thing about having no communication, it'd be nice to not be completely blind.
04:38:39 Devastator: but only living god known about is Telcal, and Telcal's not an option.
04:39:30 Piecewise_also: You could try one of the stars. They're kind of capricious but might be willing.
04:39:35 Devastator: again, though, saeko has no IC knowledge that there are any other living gods, so no reasont to pursue that.
04:39:43 Devastator: can she tell they're not just bright lights?
04:39:48 Devastator: with her supervision?
04:40:05 Piecewise_also: If you fly out towards them they'll get bigger pretty fast.
04:40:49 Devastator: mmm, well, they'll probably be after trying to fight the hive, and then after trying the contact Sky idea in a different manner, then.
04:40:50 Piecewise_also: they're physical things hanging around up there, so you'd probably notice if you fly around much
04:41:08 Devastator: you want a run down on what to try next?
04:41:16 Devastator: ie, what the second go for sky will be?
04:41:30 Piecewise_also: You want me to poo poo it if it won't work?
04:42:06 Devastator: yeah. I'll still try it, but it might be nice.
04:42:24 Devastator: won't worry about dotting all the is.
04:42:27 Devastator: crossing all the ts.
04:42:31 Piecewise_also: I can at least give you a nudge if nothing else so sure
04:48:20 Devastator: ooh, new Prequel update.
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17:18:40 Devastator: so any answers?
Piecewise_also?
17:42:57 Piecewise_also: yeah he was involved in the micheal brown case and the floyd case too
17:43:07 Piecewise_also: if its the guy I'm thikning of
17:43:47 Piecewise_also: Brown by the look of it
17:44:08 Piecewise_also: They used him when all the forensic evidence was against their claims of his innocence
17:44:57 Devastator: or does the guy just like cutting up bodies?
17:45:05 Devastator: or does he not actually bother with that part of it?
17:46:13 Piecewise_also: I assume its just a money thing. People come to you asking for proof their gangbanger son was murdered unlawfully by the cops, you read the official report, spin some vagaries and lies and collect a tidy sum.
17:46:37 Piecewise_also: because thats basically all he seemed to do
17:46:54 Piecewise_also: just sort of take the official statement and undermine it in a pretty meaningless way
17:47:21 Piecewise_also: or in a subjective way thats basically impossible to argue
17:48:17 Devastator: indictment says 375 clients.
17:48:55 Devastator: and usually just took money for nothing.
17:49:14 Piecewise_also: See for instance the Floyd case where the official autopsy reported on all the mitigating factors like his heart disease and drug intoxication and ruled that the restraint likely contributed but was not solely responsible. The "independent" autopsy decided to not look into any pathology and just make the assertion that, despite being unable to pathologically determine if the restraint caused death, insist
17:49:47 Piecewise_also: So not technically lying, but also incomplete and subjective
17:49:59 Devastator: Kinda did. Hard to recieve medical treatment for your heart disorder when someone's kneeling on your neck.
17:50:08 Devastator: insisting that had nothing to do with it is just as absurd.
17:50:46 Piecewise_also: 1. Its a technique taught to them and is protocol so them following it should be the department's issue, not theirs
17:51:14 Piecewise_also: 2. He asked to be laid down and repeatedly said "I cannot breathe" for minutes before he was restrained
17:51:41 Piecewise_also: 3. This hold has been used without harm before, indicating that it was something extra in the situation that lead to fatal results
17:51:55 Piecewise_also: Hence the report of "Contributed"
17:52:14 Piecewise_also: the question of how much, and the culpability of the people is the question
17:53:45 Piecewise_also: He had major heart blockage, was on an overdose of fentanyl, and sick with covid of all things so he wasn't exactly in good shape
17:54:00 Devastator: I'm imagining what you'd be charged with if you strapped someone to a chair to interrogate them, and then the person died accidently.
17:54:11 Devastator: "But we've done this before, and people haven't died of it."
17:54:20 Piecewise_also: Depends why they died
17:54:40 Devastator: I suspect it'll be felony murder at the very least.
17:54:58 Piecewise_also: I suspect they'll be acquitted
17:55:08 Piecewise_also: because the prosecutors are overreaching morons
17:55:29 Devastator: cops going to jail for killing people unneccessarily almost never happens in any case.
17:55:42 Piecewise_also: Thats actually not true but go off
17:56:23 Piecewise_also: In any case, they should have charged him with manslaughter or third degree if they wanted to have a chance
17:56:49 Piecewise_also: they charged him with second, which now means they have a massively higher burden of proof
17:57:36 Piecewise_also: Because second implies he intentionally chose to kill floyd as opposed to just doing it accidently or behaving in a reckless why he was aware could cause death
17:58:24 Piecewise_also: Third or manslaughter they can basically just play the tape
17:58:45 Piecewise_also: But second...they have to somehow convince the jury of what he was thinking
17:59:23 Piecewise_also: Cause he ain't gonna confess to it and he wasn't shouting "Imma kill this guy!"
17:59:27 Devastator: Dunno man, wasn't the next big case that came up support my position?
17:59:35 Devastator: and yeah, you're right about the second and third degree thing.
17:59:54 Piecewise_also: which position and which "Big case"?
18:00:17 Devastator: that woman who got shot in that raid in Kentucky.
18:00:30 Devastator: that usually prosecutors have limitations on bringing cases against police officers.
18:00:45 Piecewise_also: The one they lied about being asleep?
18:01:28 Devastator: also the one where the grand jury was prohibited from bringing any major charges..
18:01:46 Piecewise_also: Ok do you actually know the full story for that?
18:02:55 Piecewise_also: She and her boyfriend were standing in a hall, and her boyfriend shot at cops first, potentially fatally wounding one of them. They returned fire and she was hit. The guy being charged in that case was charged because they considered he fired too erratically and potentially endangered others
18:03:26 Piecewise_also: Also her boyfriend claimed she was the one shooting at them while they were taking him into custody
18:03:32 Piecewise_also: Which is on camera
18:04:04 Piecewise_also: It was also the right house, not a no knock warrant, and they announced themselves
18:04:20 Piecewise_also: Which are some pervasive myths floating around about it
18:04:47 Piecewise_also: So yes, she was killed in the cross fire
18:05:15 Piecewise_also: but was also standing directly next to an active shooter in a dark hall
18:06:19 Piecewise_also: It sucks, but its also not what they often depict it as
18:06:34 Piecewise_also: ie a police death squad rolling in and shooting her in her sleep
18:06:44 Piecewise_also: in the wrong house, without knocking
18:07:21 Piecewise_also: But serious though there's a databank of police shootings the washington post keeps
18:07:43 Piecewise_also: when this first started being a thing I went and looked up the "Unarmed fatal shootings of african americans"
18:07:52 Piecewise_also: because I wanted to follow up on those cases
18:09:00 Piecewise_also: Not every cop involved was jailed, but there was a fair amount of legal repercussions for them.
18:09:16 Piecewise_also: And of course not every instance was cut and dry, like the one above
18:09:42 Piecewise_also: the actual "Cop mows down black man for no reason" instance is pretty damn rare
18:09:54 Piecewise_also: Happens, don't get me wrong
18:10:50 Piecewise_also: But even if we assume all unarmed killings are unlawful, thats still about a 1 in 3 million chance of happening to any african american in america, statistically
18:11:24 Piecewise_also: Which is lower than the rate at which they die of constipation, falling out of bed, and having tvs crush them
18:11:28 Devastator: I'd be more sympathetic if it didn't read a rant from an ex-police officer whining about how near the end of his career how he was expected to provide actual evidence to a court instead of just his word, and then stating that everyone lies, so he should be allowed to too.
18:11:52 Piecewise_also: Oh I'm not a shill for cops, believe me
18:12:00 Piecewise_also: justice system has some MAJOR fucking problems
18:13:13 Piecewise_also: A lot of forensic evidence is barely researched, the cops are overused to handle every social incident, mental illness is basically just a crime, body cams need to be universal, for profit prisons ruin the system, prison labor is new slavery
18:14:13 Piecewise_also: Really I'm just focusing in very specifically on particular incidences and on incorrect understandings of the current situation
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