00:01:28 Devastator: Man, russian muscle car buyers have absolutely zero respect for safety ratings.
00:05:58 Devastator: Okay, the premium model came out pretty damn good, so certainly going to build that.
00:06:19 Devastator: I'll have to create a less obnoxious form of this engine in order to make it worth building.
00:06:48 Devastator: and maybe see how good I can get a low-cost trim varient, maybe the pony market can be done after all.
00:08:02 Devastator: well, a 5.6 litre twin carb V8.
00:08:10 Devastator: and it's 1964, so..
00:08:30 Devastator: 341 cubic inches, so, huh.
00:08:34 Devastator: seems about right, really.
00:09:22 Devastator: that kinda is about right for a premium muscle car of the era.
00:10:23 Devastator: I'll make it a little bigger, the premiums can afford it and they seem to like that more.
00:13:05 Devastator: found fifty bucks by wrecking the quality of the carbs.
00:13:10 Devastator: my god these muscle car buyers are stupid.
00:14:48 Devastator: got the engineering well balanced, so now it's just time to polish up the trim.
00:18:14 Devastator: now what colour should it be..
01:01:19 Devastator: okay, now trying to tune a pony car is even funnier.
01:01:29 Devastator: the pony car owner needs rear seats, and wants the worst engine ever.
01:01:39 Devastator: ie, the worst at turning size into power ever.
01:01:47 Devastator: but can't actually afford all that gasoline.
01:06:10 Devastator: 251 pound-feet of torque, though..
01:06:14 Devastator: in a 121 HP engine.
01:09:10 Devastator: yeah, primary concern among those buyers, that is the single bigest factor..
03:06:11 Piecewise: My car has to have at least 300 HP
03:08:05 Devastator: muscle cars make engines go sad now. ;-p
03:08:31 Devastator: 5.7 litres, 121 HP. Incredible ratio, that.
03:08:53 Devastator: Pretty much, that's what the market is for.
03:09:13 Devastator: I'm going to make a tuned version of it for a GT car, actually.
03:09:33 Piecewise: I forget but there's some neo-muscle car that literally plays engine sounds through the speakers to make people think its more noisy than it is
03:09:57 Devastator: Aye, there are a lot of real world addons that exist for the sole purpose of making them noisier.
03:10:03 Devastator: that said, this game does simulate engine sounds.
03:10:06 Devastator: you want to hear it?
03:10:57 Piecewise: what is it, mechanic simulator or something?
03:11:11 Piecewise: car making game thing
03:11:37 Devastator: does it really quite credibly.
03:16:08 ER: wait, are orcs a kind of people we can try talking to?
03:17:57 Piecewise: Also, make one that sounds like the Beast of Turin
03:19:11 Piecewise: 28,353 cc displacement engine
03:21:33 Devastator: If you want me to make loud noises, can try that.
03:21:42 Devastator: I'll go do that next, just wanted to do a sane one in comparison.
03:23:03 Devastator: need something with a lot of engine space.
03:26:38 Piecewise: Make one that sounds like the devil screaming at you
03:34:29 Devastator: That's as loud as I can make it.
03:37:33 Devastator: anyway, I should get back to what I was doing, not making one-off loud machines. ;-p
03:39:03 Devastator: and by that I mean deleting the ponycar project I was working on for like an hour.
03:39:47 Piecewise: A car pulled by a pony?
03:39:56 Devastator: just a small muscle car.
03:41:07 Devastator: that said, there were some innovations learned from the other car that I'm going to add to the expensive one.
03:43:21 Devastator: not much, just squeezed out a big 0.6 points out of the engine.
03:43:24 Devastator: nothing that matters.
03:44:11 Devastator: well, up to 1.6, but again..
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06:06:46 MidJag: Also 5.7 liters for 121HP? That's a terrible ratio
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06:16:59 Devastator: Yes, awesome muscle cars.
06:17:05 Devastator: mind you, it is 1964
06:17:12 Devastator: it seems to be what the game wants.
06:17:24 Devastator: If I don't choke it to hell, it's more like 280.
06:18:32 MidJag: IIRC, 200 for 1960's isn't awful I don't thihnk
06:18:40 Devastator: the actual mainline muscle car gets a hair over 300
06:20:03 Devastator: I made a version for a car that has mufflers, and it's sort of the opposite of bored and stroked, (the extra engine block size helps make it smoother and quieter), and that version gets 215.
06:20:37 Devastator: extremely quiet, that one, really.
06:21:25 Devastator: yeah, listed in 31 of whatever units it measures things in.
06:21:32 Devastator: also, game simulates engine noises.
06:23:47 Devastator: there's the noise machine.
06:24:27 Devastator: yeah, rated a 90.8 in artificial units.
06:24:40 Devastator: I think the muscle car demographic actually wants it louder.
06:25:06 MidJag: You always want that throaty rorar
06:25:32 Devastator: here's the version for the cheap muscle car.
06:25:51 Devastator: that powerline makes me sad.
06:26:04 MidJag: It' decelt loud at least.
06:26:07 Devastator: to be fair, all that torque is good off the line.
06:26:33 ER: it spends its energy on making noise
06:26:46 Devastator: here's the one for the driver's car.
06:26:51 ER: it's not waste, it's just serving a different function~
06:26:53 MidJag: heh, it's a noise machine clearlly
06:27:13 Devastator: much quieter, really.
06:27:13 MidJag: oooh, that drivers car is cool sounding
06:27:32 Devastator: This game really puts an impressive amount of effort into simulating engine noises.
06:27:34 MidJag: Not snarlly but clearlly has some force to it.
06:28:19 Devastator: here's the one on my current luxury car.
06:28:40 Devastator: right, can't check that this way since the car is under manufacture, ugh.
06:30:06 Devastator: here's how you can do it.
06:30:14 Devastator: although this isn't exact.. this is the same engine + 10 years.
06:30:32 MidJag: what do you mean by plus 10 years?
06:30:43 Devastator: The calender causes some improvements as time goes on.
06:30:50 Devastator: This engine was designed in 1953
06:31:05 Devastator: A facelift recalculates that engine + the modern time.
06:31:18 Devastator: That's the idea, yeah. The luxury market really wants quiet.
06:32:30 Devastator: Here's the one on my initial batch of jalopies.
06:32:59 MidJag: heh, sounds like a jalopie
06:33:03 Devastator: do note it's twice as loud as the luxury one despite making only 17 HP.
06:34:25 Devastator: of course, if price was no restriction, could make it something like that.
06:34:56 Devastator: you kid, but I'm still selling that engine.
06:35:06 MidJag: Fair enough, is this russia?
06:35:07 Devastator: see the models marked People Carrier and Van there?
06:35:18 Devastator: those use those 17 HP engines.
06:35:29 Devastator: and bring in 17 million a month.
06:35:50 Devastator: yes, but I did sell some premiums to russia.
06:36:03 Devastator: not many, but a few. The new one is under engineering there with that orange bar.
06:36:09 Devastator: Let me sort out the new cars there first.
06:36:44 Devastator: actually, no, they don't use the 17 HP motor anymore.
06:36:55 Devastator: they use the new inline 4 that replaced it.
06:37:03 Devastator: That factory's now free.
06:37:24 Devastator: if it's big enough, it'll make those V8s.
06:37:51 Devastator: I'll do the pony car first, since that one will design much quicker than the other two.
06:38:04 Devastator: but they might all be choked by the engine, in which case I"ll just synch them all up.
06:38:10 MidJag: I like how your pony car looks like a mustang mixed with a charger
06:38:20 Devastator: I should paint them.
06:38:58 Devastator: ..to be honest, this is a little too pricy.
06:39:13 Devastator: Yeah, see that 52.4% affordability estimate?
06:39:21 Devastator: the ponycar market isn't rich people.
06:39:25 Devastator: you want better than that.
06:39:36 Devastator: I should see if I can squeeze out a few more bucks.
06:40:47 MidJag: this soundtrack isn't bad either
06:40:47 Devastator: also, the suspension got mis-tuned a bit at some point.
06:42:05 Devastator: there we go, scored another point, and added +0.1 mpg
06:43:25 Devastator: there's ten dollars and .4 man hours off, and back at 156.
06:45:15 Devastator: taking the radio out is 2.6 points, but that's 71 bucks and 1.9 man hours.
06:45:37 MidJag: But is a pony car without a radio worth driving?~
06:47:10 MidJag: So does time always advance in decades?
06:47:13 Devastator: removing safety features have it down to 152, but up to 54.1
06:51:29 Devastator: it really is just about the noise..
06:51:48 MidJag: To make it cheaper or more desirabel?
06:52:20 Devastator: I mean the market is liking it more as I made that a bit cheaper.
06:52:28 Devastator: but only shaved off like 20 bucks off the engine.
06:53:03 Devastator: all indirect, too, that was by making it quicker to build.
06:53:15 Devastator: but 2.0 man hours is about 26 bucks.
06:55:34 Devastator: sometimes the gains surprise you. destroying the gearbox like that cut 21.7 bucks and 1.2 man hours, and 3.4 months of engineering time.. for 0.1 points of value.
06:56:34 Devastator: oop, and sometimes you find a problem.
06:56:40 MidJag: the oddities of the market I suppose~
06:56:49 Devastator: look at that score go up.
07:00:31 Devastator: won't give up the power steering, eh?
07:00:54 Devastator: and yeah, 20 bucks and 1.6 man hours is probably worth two points.
07:00:59 Devastator: what was that affordability rating when I started?
07:01:13 Devastator: I think I said it in chat.
07:01:29 MidJag: Yeah, see that 52.4% affordability estimate?
07:03:20 Devastator: yeah, that's not that much, but 2.6% is like another 100 car sales.
07:03:29 Devastator: and I think I gained quality points.
07:09:41 Devastator: sorry about that, just trying to squeeze the last bit out of the trim work.
07:09:57 Devastator: tbh, 158 isn't really that high. Was hoping for more.
07:10:08 Devastator: anyway.. paint time.
07:11:51 MidJag: I like the red and blue
07:14:55 Devastator: mmm, no, need to build one, this is on a small lot.
07:15:49 Devastator: this car will not pay for itself.
07:16:29 Devastator: see? 781 million to make that factory.
07:16:42 Devastator: it'll jack up the car price to try and make that back, but that won't work.
07:17:05 Devastator: do note that the car bodies themselves are only 1.3k to make.
07:17:54 Devastator: Ugh, though, so it goes.
07:17:58 Devastator: at least I can afford that.
07:18:46 Devastator: the 30 point drop there was because it's treating desireability in all regions, not just Russia.
07:20:33 Devastator: since this car will take half as long to design as the engine, I'm taking advantage of that to cheapen them a bit more and to learn more about the chassis design.
07:21:24 Devastator: now I need to sign off on the engines.
07:22:01 Devastator: ..but since it's being used in three cars, I need to finish the other two cars first.
07:22:51 Devastator: do note that wasn't 147, but 193.
07:23:49 Devastator: There are some elements of this that are really, really good.
07:24:07 Devastator: sorry, just this is a hell of a thing.
07:24:29 Devastator: plus this is the GT car.
07:27:11 Devastator: yeah, it's good, isn't it? I really am astonished by the effort that went into this thing.
07:27:55 MidJag: It's really impressive I gotta say
07:28:35 Devastator: yeah, I'll do that, it's -2 points, but 191 is hella impressive, and it'll shave two full months of engineering off this.
07:28:43 Devastator: and 6 hours of guys handmaking leather, basically.
07:29:40 Devastator: hell, it scores in the GT Premium market, which are guys with 250k to blow on a car.
07:32:03 Devastator: they put this in here as well, for the hell of it. ;-p
07:32:26 MidJag: And I like how it's the Top Gear track
07:32:36 Devastator: I should get the thing that lets you drive these things.
07:33:41 MidJag: I feel like you would enjoy that in genersal
07:33:50 Devastator: I'm not much of a driving game afictionado.
07:34:02 Devastator: my skills lie elsewhere.
07:34:25 MidJag: It always struck me as more a sandbox then a driving game
07:34:36 Devastator: that factory shouldn't be on that project.
07:34:39 Devastator: have to go check that.
07:34:45 MidJag: Mostly to watch softbody physcis cars break into pieces
07:35:58 Devastator: well, here's the actual muscle car.
07:37:17 Devastator: sorry for them using the same framework, but I basically made three muscle cars.
07:37:22 Devastator: so roughly the same bodies.
07:38:26 MidJag: Heh, no worse then any other car manufacutrer
07:40:37 Devastator: time to do the bad thing.
07:41:19 MidJag: Betray socalist teachings for selling for a an actual profit? :P
07:42:16 Devastator: I have no idea why the roof isn't covered by any paint slot.
07:42:38 MidJag: Maybe it's under convertable?
07:42:47 Devastator: This isn't a covertible.
07:42:57 Devastator: there's a convertible version of this trim, but the car isn't in it.
07:43:01 MidJag: Right but like maybe they place it undert that tab?
07:44:04 Devastator: dunno why, this isn't the convertible.
07:44:26 Devastator: that's the one next to it.
07:46:12 Devastator: steel presses? I thought that had an aluminum body.
07:47:06 Devastator: yeah, hit the wrong chassis type.
07:47:11 Devastator: monocoque takes steel presses too.
07:47:17 Devastator: fuck, I'll have to do tweaks.
07:48:42 Devastator: 15 more build units, ugh.
07:50:25 Devastator: I mean, the market can afford it.
07:52:06 Devastator: right there, but it'll be more than 80 people when the car's done engineering.
07:55:05 Devastator: that said, a small 2 factory is still likely too big.
07:59:59 Devastator: 5.6k for that super luxury body.
08:00:05 Devastator: that'll make an absolute mint.
08:00:32 Devastator: but the market for those is 25k each..
08:03:36 Devastator: Yeah. In future versions it'll let me tell it right now to not make as many of the luxury ones, but it'll do that automatically.
08:05:31 Devastator: now the big screen, engineering those three V8 engines.
08:06:34 MidJag: They're just cool enginges.
08:06:54 Devastator: now, I slowed down the other models a bit because I knew this one was going to take a while, but I forget exactly how much.
08:06:59 Devastator: so I'll set this for 72 months.
08:07:31 Devastator: engine factory won't be able to keep up with design, but that was to be expected.
08:08:14 Devastator: now all these designs should lose money.
08:08:20 Devastator: well, not should, but it's expected.
08:08:41 Devastator: huh, the GT is expected to almost make it back.
08:09:29 Devastator: The America trim of the Project G. ;-p
08:10:14 Devastator: I think this is the ponycar.
08:10:37 Devastator: yeah, expected to lose 200M from that big huge factory.
08:11:21 Devastator: just setting the breakeven point a bit later because the price is overcompensating a bit for the huge factory.. I'll bring in more with a more modest price.
08:12:14 Devastator: now the premium muscle car.
08:13:00 Devastator: yeah, about expected these numbers, heh.
08:13:17 Devastator: looks like it's assigning a lot of losses to this model.
08:13:52 Devastator: it'll do much better than this, but not well.
08:19:10 Devastator: looks like those vans are still selling about 2500 a month, and the people movers sell about 800 to various different groups.
08:19:38 Devastator: the luxuries and family sport premiums/family sports/GT P and GT models are the remade premium, which is selling well.
08:20:30 Devastator: it's something that the ordinary premium is filling 75% of the available GT market. It's only something like 90% competitive there instead of 150.
08:20:53 Devastator: but it's good, it expands the number of people who know about my cars there.
08:24:35 Devastator: sheesh, they sold 1310 of the ponycars.
08:24:47 Devastator: losing money hand over fist, but that's paying back the loan, really.
08:25:17 Devastator: looks like I don't need it, either.
08:25:46 Devastator: okay, that's far enough, just wanted to know if I needed that loan and if they'd be competitive. Looks like no and yes, and I can start retooling my vans after they're done.
08:26:08 Devastator: the overworked engine factory will be fine after the sales slow down of the new cars, so nothing to worry about there.
08:27:03 Devastator: the next version of them would be fine, not having to pay for 720 million worth of factory.
08:27:22 Devastator: and yes, you can sell luxury to russia. ;-p
08:27:29 Devastator: just not at start. Need to sell vans.
08:27:37 Devastator: that's what brings in the bucks there. Vans.
08:31:20 MidJag: Well I guess the soviets need something to kidnap people off the streets in~
08:31:21 Devastator: that whole big delivery market down there was people buying vans.
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