03:32:11 Devastator: couldn't get off early, but made it here as soon as I could.
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03:33:32 Devastator:
MJ wasn't sure he'd make it.
03:33:38 ER: I'm watching a silly OP run on Noita
03:40:40 syv: Did he actually go through the east/west areas for more perks and HP?
03:41:26 ER: he'd been live all day playing that save...
03:42:54 Devastator: Firse, we need to talk about parallell universes.
03:43:53 syv: He seems really calm about it.
03:44:14 ER: prolly used to that sort of thing by now
03:48:27 ER: so were we waiting for
MJ or not?
03:49:17 Devastator: he wasn't sure if he'd make it.
03:51:53 syv:
MJ responded, just said "busy"
03:52:20 syv: And yes; busty catgirl with a buster sword.
03:52:20 Devastator: start in 5 minutes?
03:59:35 Devastator: still want that image of alida petting herself. ;-p
04:00:05 syv: Might have to wait awhile, if ever. Not on good terms with her right now.
04:00:18 syv: Also, I doubt she'd be very willing to draw a dog.
04:00:37 syv: Basically it's just busty girls. Sometimes cute pink spider things.
04:02:16 syv: My version of the movie is 1:57:13
04:02:29 syv: I don't recall if I got the exact same torrent for y'all; is it the same for you?
04:03:38 Devastator: should be ok, really.
04:03:43 syv: I have a nine second opening splash.
04:03:47 Devastator: we can pause after the splash.
04:03:49 syv: Does your start on a starfield?
04:04:17 ER: it starts on some logo, then stars
04:04:17 syv: "Nippon Television Network Corporation"
04:04:30 ER: let's just start at the stars, yeah
04:06:07 Devastator: I went a hair further to the title card for the studio.
04:06:38 syv: That's like ten seconds later...
04:06:48 Devastator: yeah, but ten seconds of nothing, so..
04:07:09 Devastator: thought we were at stars.
04:07:31 syv: You just said you went further.
04:07:41 syv: Yes, stars is a better sync point.
04:07:42 Devastator: I did, and then I restarted to stop at the stars.
04:08:28 ER: now, we must see if this is any good
04:09:03 Devastator: yes, this is promising.
04:09:45 Devastator: ..yeah, this is looking solid already.
04:10:56 Devastator: semi-modern. seems 90s.
04:11:12 syv: Haven't seen any smartphobea.
04:11:43 syv: Yeah, I've wondered if there's any good reason to not do that.
04:11:54 syv: Just show up to a college class and sit in on it.
04:12:07 ER: I thing you'd probably get caught
04:12:09 Devastator: you won't get credentials, and there's official ways to do that..
04:12:11 syv: My college had precisely nothing to stop that.
04:12:14 Devastator: but people don't give a shit, really.
04:12:39 syv: Some of my classes were useful.
04:13:00 Devastator: yeah, this is looking mid 90s. Around 1995-1996 or so.
04:13:43 syv: Looked way more like a brick than any carrots I've had.
04:14:27 Devastator: sneaking into the library.
04:14:31 Devastator: and wolf likes to read.
04:14:45 Devastator: Kvothe the wolfman. ;-p
04:14:51 Devastator: and they had better security!
04:15:06 Devastator: For a very good reason..
04:15:08 syv: Yes. Security which handed him a candle.
04:15:17 Devastator: That was a jerkass.
04:15:21 Devastator: there's a very good reason for that security.
04:16:11 Devastator: Man, this guy reads almost as much as I do.
04:17:12 syv: That is the smallest dream oh my god
04:17:22 Devastator: It is no less real for that.
04:17:25 syv: "...I could build a bookshelf! And have books on it!"
04:17:33 ER: also, impossible to achieve
04:17:47 ER: owning a house? unthinkable
04:18:07 syv: Same scene, same animation, new clothes.
04:18:25 syv: I do wonder why being a dog means he can't have a home.
04:18:33 Devastator: Might not be able to afford it.
04:18:52 syv: He seems intelligent and driven.
04:19:27 Devastator: He was late because he was arguing with himself all day to force himself to do this.
04:20:24 syv: Vertical wolf, I guess. Was kinda expecting horizontal.
04:20:52 syv: Guess they boned right after.
04:21:15 ER: it's clear they liked each other
04:21:29 Devastator: were together at least six months.. was summer, and then winter.
04:21:33 syv: We're 13 minutes in and there's sex.
04:22:00 syv: I mean, we have to get through that before, babies, and the plot is apparently babies, but still.
04:22:16 Devastator: I like both of them, so..
04:22:18 Devastator: they had enough time.
04:22:19 ER: yeah, it's not bout the romance only :P
04:23:09 Devastator: Simple can be best.
04:23:41 Devastator: morning sickness, went into a clinic.
04:23:51 syv: Oookay, thought that was what the vomiting was.
04:24:27 syv: Yeah this is damn fast. Not wasting any time.
04:24:38 Devastator: huh, wolfguy can cook.
04:24:57 syv: Hitting all the perfect boyfriend tropes.
04:25:15 Devastator: "Is a mythological creature."
04:25:15 ER: *and* he's an inhuman monster! :D
04:25:53 syv: "Vertical Wolf" is the socially acceptable term.
04:26:18 syv: Mother still has a huge mouth.
04:26:54 ER: I figured it would be a litter
04:27:49 syv: Okay, good. Not abandonment.
04:28:10 Devastator: This is stretching the definition of good.
04:28:57 syv: Much better for him to die horribly than be a soulless jerk.
04:29:08 syv: And he had to have one of the two happen.
04:29:34 ER: I do think it's both vertical and horizantal
04:30:51 syv: Okay that is fucking adorable
04:31:35 syv: This kid is giving me anxiety
04:32:07 Devastator: ..and yeah, can't talk to other people about this.
04:32:27 syv: Prolly can't take kids to any kind of doctor, either.
04:32:52 syv: Though I feel like if this were real, it wouldn't actually go poorly.
04:34:24 ER: good thing they have some consious control over it
04:34:40 Devastator: Yeah.. but no way they could run around with other kids.
04:35:16 syv: Gonna grow up with anxiety.
04:35:36 Devastator: they might get better at it.
04:36:58 ER: I dunno, what *would* happen if they were found out?
04:37:19 syv: The usual feae is "Oh no they'll be experimented on by scientists!"
04:37:39 syv: But plenty of really bad genetic things happen to children and that doesn't happen.
04:37:45 Devastator: There are people like that in this world today,
syv. People with literally unique health conditions.
04:37:49 Devastator: who are in that sort of situation.
04:37:51 syv: So I think it'd be fine. She'd prolly get support.
04:38:06 Devastator: One thing, though, never have a chance to live your own life.
04:38:06 syv: Yeah. And to my knowledge, hiding it is a bad bad idea.
04:38:36 Devastator: Caseworkers can help.. but your life is never your own.
04:39:44 ER: I agree, good for wolf childs
04:40:09 ER: if you're gonna avoid everybody else anyways, may as well do it with some space ;P
04:40:53 Devastator: This is a lovely place.
04:41:19 syv: Vaguely reminds me of a Japanese version of my own home.
04:41:27 syv: Just not flat. And crappier house.
04:42:07 Devastator: This is the japanese version of a log house.
04:42:10 syv: This girl is totally Alida.
04:42:44 Devastator: although in my mind she grew up in the city, not out in the woods.
04:43:02 Devastator: but this is lovely.
04:43:18 syv: I'd totally expect Alida to have been like this when she was five.
04:43:19 Devastator: they're definately socially anxious.
04:43:26 Devastator: makes sense really.
04:43:39 Devastator: shrine picture is his driver's license.
04:44:38 Devastator: that was exceptionally cute.
04:45:01 syv: She doesn't want them to hunt. Because that's how he died.
04:45:57 syv: "Nobody owns this land? Whaaaat?"
04:46:41 Devastator: "Be nice to the other animals."
04:47:28 Devastator: she is too cute for words.
04:47:54 syv: Combines the adorableness of lottle
04:48:10 Devastator: not all snakes are venomous.
04:49:03 syv: Need to find happy wolf stories
04:49:49 syv: Fuck, I need to show my parents this movie.
04:52:28 Devastator: ancient japanese farmer living in the boonies.
04:52:40 Devastator: maximum crustiness achieved.
04:53:01 Devastator: And you don't talk back.
04:53:39 syv: His style is very amusing.
04:53:50 Devastator: I have known people exactly like that.
04:54:07 Devastator: Some are good. Some aren't.
04:54:53 syv: And they just hide in the grass the whole time.
04:56:04 Devastator: raising chickens might not be a good idea.
04:56:21 syv: Might be good practice for self-control.
04:56:48 ER: if you don't eat them now, they'll make more chicken to eat later
04:56:51 syv: I know raising dogs with cats results in dogs that are really friendly with cats.
04:57:19 Devastator: No, it's new, similar, but new.
04:58:33 ER: you can probably tell these people
04:58:49 syv: I *really* would not trust them.
04:59:05 syv: They've accepted her, but rural people can be awfully xenophobic.
05:00:33 Devastator: These could well be nice people, but when you live in the sticks you only encounter people in very specific situations. You trust them, but you don't ask for more than they give.
05:00:33 syv: Actually laughed out loud there.
05:01:13 syv: I wonder where her actual parents are.
05:02:21 syv: Isn't snow unpleasant to touch?
05:02:32 Devastator: It's vastly, vastly dependant on timing and condition.
05:02:44 Devastator: It can be wonderfully pleasant.
05:03:25 Devastator: This has been exceptional so far.
05:03:55 syv: This is artistic liscense, yes
Dev?
05:04:08 syv: The snow physics seem too stylized to me.
05:04:27 Devastator: Yeah you can slide down snow hills like that sometimes.
05:04:31 Devastator: usually you need a tool.
05:07:47 syv: I presume that was lost in translation.
05:08:03 Devastator: can you imagine translating pattycake?
05:08:48 syv: She's *six* and riding the bus?
05:08:57 Devastator: I did that when I was six.
05:09:27 Devastator: well this could be akward.
05:10:46 Devastator: ..can you talk with other animals?
05:10:48 syv: That is a depressing enclosure.
05:11:08 Devastator: this sequence is really something.
05:14:08 syv: This is a really awesome mother.
05:14:24 ER: she doesn't really have any flaws
05:14:35 Devastator: high score, and extremely high degree of difficulty.
05:15:56 syv: He dresses just like his father.
05:16:03 Devastator: Looks like him, too.
05:16:18 syv: Has his mom's mouth, though.
05:18:37 ER: so like, does lust trigger the transformation
05:19:10 syv: I don't think that was romantic.
05:20:48 syv: Nope. It becomes romantic.
05:21:41 syv: He learned her secret and kept it!
05:21:45 Devastator: ..no, you should be fine, unless he starts blabbing.
05:22:02 syv: And he's clearly very interested in her, which is now confirmed to be positive.
05:22:28 syv: So... effective leadup for romantic interest.
05:22:29 Devastator: I was thinking that the kid might be smarter than he looked, and be doing this carefully.
05:22:39 Devastator: lets see what he's doing.
05:22:57 Devastator: probably not negative then.
05:23:50 Devastator: Yeah, this kid isn't stupid.
05:24:03 Devastator: whatever he is, and yeah, it's looking like romance, but he's not dumb.
05:24:29 Devastator: He's being extremely cautious with what he says.
05:25:29 Devastator: ..yes, this kid knows exactly what happened.
05:25:30 syv: Yeah, okay, smarter than he looks.
05:25:49 Devastator: nah, it was written all over his face, being deliberately bad at games to make friends..
05:26:02 Devastator: Sohei is smart as hell.
05:26:21 syv: The being really aggressive and chasing her was dumb.
05:26:37 Devastator: That was, but he took five seconds to pick out the special person in the peer group.
05:29:21 Devastator: There are no wolves in Japan.
05:31:05 Devastator: dad liked to read..
05:31:14 Devastator: looks just like his dad.
05:31:19 Devastator: oop, they gonna fight.
05:31:38 Devastator: most believable thing, really.
05:31:46 Devastator: of course they'd fight.
05:32:18 ER: and the one clinging to her humanity loses
05:34:49 syv: She works as a conservationist.
05:34:57 syv: Go rescue the injured fox.
05:37:51 Devastator: ..they're doing a really good job of depicting an oncoming storm.
05:38:41 Devastator: I thought they were talking about rainfall.
05:38:43 Devastator: that would be insande.
05:42:10 syv: And there's not much useful to do *during* a hurricane.
05:42:42 syv: I recognized thar dude's voice.
05:43:06 Devastator: ..come say goodbye to your mom, kid.
05:44:02 ER: this is devotion, I suppose
05:44:22 syv: Well yeah. She's an actually caring mother.
05:44:58 ER: how scary are japanese bears?
05:44:59 syv: Bear's unlikely to be aggressive.
05:45:01 Devastator: can probably smell ame on her.
05:45:13 syv: I don't know about Japanese ones though.
05:45:28 syv: But they're not very aggressive in general.
05:47:31 Devastator: ame going to rescue mom?
05:47:57 syv: Then "Oh yes I can leave my ten year old to live in the woods"
05:50:06 Devastator: kid who is also a wolf and has spent half the day up there for the last few years..
05:50:45 Devastator: ..I like the shock on her face, at being confronted with 'some moms don't love their kids like that?'
05:51:47 ER: "well great, now I'm hallucinating."
05:51:58 Devastator: This is a kid who believes the evidence of his senses.
05:52:59 Devastator: 6th grade, so 11-12.
05:53:21 Devastator: please tell me she isn't dead.
05:53:38 syv: No, just on the border of it.
05:54:29 Devastator: he's ten and is a wolf.
05:54:33 ER: wolves are grown by then ;p
05:54:46 Devastator: and in Japan, you're supposed to go from kid to adult in middle school.
05:55:18 syv: Movie wants me to be okay with the ten year old deciding his life parh at ten, I refusw.
05:55:58 ER: I think he'll survive to reexamine them
05:56:15 Devastator: ..Yeah, I don't think he's going to be dead. And I bet he'll visit.
05:56:48 syv: "Oh jeez it actually really sucks to always be alone, sleeping without a roof, and not being able to get food without hunting it"
05:57:26 syv: That anime wolf face does not work.
05:59:49 ER: he really has no excuse not to visit though
06:00:03 syv: I am dissatisfied by this.
06:00:19 Devastator: ..I'm not. That was something.
06:00:51 syv: Very pretty, excellent quality, excellent pacing, mostly a great story.
06:01:04 syv: But that final storyline makes me deeply disatisfied,
06:01:29 syv: It's poetic, but I'm not one for poetry replacing reason.
06:01:30 Devastator: eh, if it was middle to high school, and ame was 14 you'd be fine.
06:01:50 syv: 14 year olds make very stupid decisions like that as well.
06:01:51 Devastator: when would have been fine?
06:02:24 syv: Prolly somewhere around twenty. Minimal sixteen or so, past most of puberty.
06:03:42 syv: "I'm going to live alone in the woods" is not a decision I think a child should be allowed to make.
06:04:05 syv: And whatever the cultural context, 10 or 14 or even 15 is still a child.
06:04:25 syv: Frankly most 18 y/os I've known have been children.
06:04:28 ER: yeah, but maybe he's a child human and adult wolf at the same time
06:04:42 syv: And an adult wolf is basically a toddler.
06:04:58 syv: A good bit dumber, really.
06:05:07 Devastator: I don't think there's any number that would have been right.
06:05:29 syv: Yeah, some people don't ever grow up.
06:05:38 syv: 10 is too damn early no matter what.
06:05:55 Devastator: yeah, I pretty much agree there.
06:06:02 Devastator: but the story can come first, imo.
06:06:29 syv: The magic fox was already pushing it, for me.
06:06:30 Devastator: You're too practical?
06:06:36 Devastator: (and yeah, that did push it a bit for me.)
06:07:01 ER: and I never got to find out if they ended up passing on the wolfman genes and how many of them are out there at this point. :(
06:07:07 Devastator: This was a movie where the father of the children in it was pushed unceremoniously into the crusher compartment of a garbage truck.
06:07:09 syv: I don't really accept strong deviations from my understabding of reality in the middle of a story.
06:07:36 syv: But she reacted appropriately to that.
06:07:50 Devastator: I do agree with you in general, that was the weaker parts of the story.
06:08:00 Devastator: but weaker than an extremely high baseline.
06:08:17 Devastator: That was something. I'm gonna be sad for a while about that one.
06:08:17 syv: I suspect it also might be some cultural difference.
06:08:34 ER: I'm perfectly willing to accept fairies out in the woods in the middle of a mostly realistic story. who knows what shit's out there. :P
06:08:35 syv: Japanese... religion-y stuff allows for the fox as not all that magical.
06:08:49 syv: And as you said, they view a ten year old as mostly adult, I guess?
06:09:05 Devastator: Not quite. You're supposed to go from kid to adult from grade 7 through 9.
06:09:22 Devastator: at 10 you're supposed to be acting like one, and before grade 7, you're supposed to be a kid with a kid's wonderment.
06:09:31 Devastator: yeah, Yuki was in 6th at the end of the shop.
06:10:29 syv: The range I have in PS is 12-15, right?
06:10:47 Devastator: what do you think,
ER?
06:11:53 syv: Because that's my conceptual age for "transitioning from child to adult" with 15 being "almost mature".
06:11:57 Devastator: the movie in general.
06:12:10 syv: IIRC I actually got 12 as a milestone from my human development class.
06:13:06 syv: Two points for making me mad at the end.
06:13:29 ER: shoulda shown me them kids growing up all the way
06:13:39 syv: I would've liked that as well.
06:14:04 syv: It would've been *really* nice to have a little two minute stinger at the end with them in their twenties.
06:16:17 Devastator: I really like Sohei, and have to play someone like that in a future game.
06:19:50 syv: Next movie: Cat Children. Ends with the little boy running off to be a rich old man's spoiled pet.
06:21:01 syv: "I'm a cat, mom! My purpose in life is to laze in sunbeams and be fed treats in return for being cute!"
06:21:22 syv: I say, petting a cat that is very happy to have such a life.
06:23:00 Devastator: Cats really did hit on the winning formula there.
06:28:42 Devastator: be cute, be independant, and enjoy pets.
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20:10:10 ER: happy american thanksgiving,
dev! :P
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