00:02:50 er: Idea: hijack
syv's "helljacking" name, make a game where you invade hell to become the new devil. With stand magic and guns
00:09:59 er: There's no meat to this idea but fuck it I want a group of edgy antiheroes raiding a giant, multi-level dungeon for a prize that ultimately only one of them can hold using some kind of shooting system glued to some kind of magic system by the umbilical connecting one to their demonsoul
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04:15:36 Devastator: will do k-com eventually tonight.
04:15:41 Devastator: might take a while.. be the wee hours.
04:16:38 MidJag: Eh, been better, think I might have caught either COVID or some random crud. Luckilly not seeing any of the problematic symptoms.
04:17:57 Devastator: well, seems likely enough down there.
04:18:44 Devastator: I heard that most people get through it okay.
04:19:16 MidJag: Yeah, my twin brother caught it as well, he's doing fine.
04:21:30 MidJag: Well how're things with you?
04:28:03 MidJag: Well if you want to stream something I'm down. I would stream something but no one wants to hear me blow my nose every 30 seconds.
04:29:43 Devastator: ok, I'll get something started.
04:29:51 Devastator: also, you've been quite the parade of illness lately.
04:30:34 MidJag: I know right? It's been moving along the body, I'm sure the second I'm done with covid I'll break my foot or something.
04:30:57 MidJag: The arm wasn't even done. I was just out of the brace and doing PT now.
04:33:26 Devastator: maybe after this game.
04:34:40 MidJag: So have there been any updates to notia reentlly?
04:34:54 Devastator: yes, but this isn't a legal copy.
04:37:22 MidJag: I love the way the water moves in this game
04:39:40 MidJag: You ever gone far left
dev?
04:47:58 Devastator: fuck, one of those wands.
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04:50:01 Devastator: something about eating a dragon.
04:52:13 MidJag: Oh right this one, the one about eating your way through a dungeon
04:52:15 Piecewise: Its about a group of destitute adventurers trying to save one of their party members and having to eat monsters in order to survive
04:52:43 Piecewise: of course the accomplish that about halfway through...kind of
04:52:53 Piecewise: and then things continue
04:53:10 MidJag: publisher reasons or narritive reasons?
04:53:13 Piecewise: has a very interesting rationale for why dungeons exist
04:53:45 Piecewise: it doesn't seem artificially padded or extended.
04:54:26 Devastator: I'd disagree with
PW, it seems pretty padded. Much less than average, but there's definately some.
04:55:53 MidJag: Eh, might give it a read if I end up with nothing to do due to quarentine
04:57:45 Devastator: can you link
MidJag to that anime we were going to watch?
04:59:37 Piecewise: Nah madoka is padded
04:59:44 Piecewise: padded with movies that don't need to exist
05:00:44 MidJag: anime you guys were going to watch?
05:01:22 Devastator: don't have it ready.
05:01:26 Devastator: and phew, that guy took some killing.
05:02:01 Devastator: don't remember it offhand.
05:02:25 Piecewise: Re:zero isn't short?
05:02:46 Piecewise: is that what you were talking about?
05:03:03 Devastator: I think that was it.
05:03:04 Piecewise: RE:zero is 20 something episodes
05:03:06 Devastator: and yeah, short name.
05:03:08 Devastator: I meant short name.
05:03:29 Piecewise: Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu
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05:14:49 MidJag: Eh, sick, but more just annoying sick then worrying sick.
05:14:53 syv: Woke up to alarm, decided to get out of bed and sit somewhere else so I wouldn't fall back asleep.
05:15:11 syv: Akina found me and laid down atop me.
05:15:14 Devastator: going with a ninja star wand in noita.
05:15:15 Devastator: if you want to see dead.
05:15:21 Devastator: ahh, good old cats.
05:15:46 MidJag: Oh hey, it's my birthday now
05:16:21 MidJag: I guess I'm 22. And thus offically enter the stage of life where advancing age ceases to bring cool perks.
05:18:56 syv: Why don't I have that in my calendar? ;-;
05:19:44 er: 22 may have been about the point where life started actually improving, for me
05:20:13 MidJag: Like I said, my birthdays in college always end up preventing me from celebrating them properlly
05:20:55 syv: Yeah, catching covid just in time for your birthday... is some *really* awful luck.
05:21:07 syv: Worst birthday gift ever, you should return it.
05:21:36 er: Oh, can I complain about work
05:22:21 er: This week they changed the drinks, salad bar and hot bar all to be self-serve
05:23:07 MidJag: You can self serve at a bar? where is this place, I might be paying a visit at some point.
05:23:10 er: When I asked why now, my boss basically just said "because other stores are doing it now"
05:25:03 MidJag: What's wrong with making them self serve?
05:25:46 er: The people who this increases risk for are firstly the customers, anecdotally a lot of whom are in at risk age ranges, and secondly me as the dishwasher
05:26:35 er: We had made all those things not self serve when we reopened, back in spring, because of covid
05:27:15 er: Now they're back to how they were, because I guess we beat the virus now, hooray!
05:27:24 MidJag: Oh I see, it's not like a socially distanced line it's like a bunch of people showing up at the same timme. Yeeaaahhhh, that's dumb
05:27:58 syv: Yeah, it reached the president, that's gotta be the final part of the saga.
05:28:58 er: We have signs saying to use hand sanitizer and gloves, but nobody seems confident that customers will actually bother, because customers
05:29:13 Devastator: nah, he's still screaming away that it's a success because it iddn't kill 2 million.
05:29:19 Devastator: you know, the literal maximum if everyone got it.
05:29:48 MidJag: I think techincally Covids killed more people then vietnam...and traffic in the 70's.
05:30:05 MidJag: Which also killed more people then vietnam.
05:30:40 er: "I didn't pull the lever which floods the fortress with magma, I such good leader"
05:31:03 Devastator: "I pulled the lever, but someone else pulled it back after."
05:31:38 MidJag:
Dev you have like zero health, why don't you go for the portal?
05:33:27 syv: He wants to catch fire at least once, first.
05:34:20 er: Anyway, I feel like blathering about the social dynamics of male and female mages in the P&P setting, for some reason
05:34:58 MidJag: What do those green texts do anyway?
05:35:06 er: So like, it's bronze age times or whatever, you've got city states appearing
05:36:27 er: And mages are appearing who are powerful enough to fight alien futuristic war machines, so they could probably beat an army of they're skilled and lucky, become the new monarch
05:38:06 er: If a shemage has children, they'll probably be mages also, while if a hemage does they probably won't, but otherwise they have the same power
05:39:26 er: Which probably means that hemages have less social pressure to reproduce, and are more expendable and likely to go do some solo conquering and become a king
05:40:53 er: But a generation later their heir won't be a mage, so it's not stable, those kingdoms only last as long as it takes for other conqueror to come along
05:42:07 MidJag: What happens if a male and female mage reproduce?
05:42:14 er: Well, a shemage might spend more time raising children, but those children will be multiple mages, likely trained by her.
05:42:53 er: (Same odds as a shemage with a normal,
mj.)
05:43:04 Devastator: eh, adoptive heirs then.
05:43:48 syv: Lots of children plus dynasties.
05:44:15 syv: Not only can your own direct descendant be a mage, your nieces can continue the line.
05:44:31 MidJag: Just constant babies, if at any point you aren't having sex you are considered a failure as a male mage.
05:44:39 er: So over time you have kingdoms ruled by hemages with no powerful heir competing with kingdoms ruled by shemages, with the direct female line all being army-killers
05:45:05 Devastator: sounds like expendable witches then.
05:46:13 er: Adopting random mages would be a stable setup, but people do happen to prefer their own children, most of the time.
05:46:17 Devastator: the guys can't take over a dynasty, so any extra heirs should be kileld off, to reduce competition.
05:47:06 syv: Ans are therefore used as the aggressive nukes.
05:47:15 syv: A man is a warrior who dies with honor.
05:47:27 syv: So go out and get yourself killed, already!
05:47:35 Devastator:
syv, firing a nuke.
05:47:56 er: Hmm, I think
dev means kill off the non-heir shemages
05:48:17 er: Those are the ones you train as nukes
05:48:28 MidJag: I still vote play the odds and just constantlly have sex if male. One of em should end up being a mage.
05:48:30 Devastator: basically, don't want competition.
05:49:18 syv: Hey, if you had a black hole which homes in to you, would that protect you from the ceiling falling onto your head?
05:49:57 Devastator: it might, actually.
05:50:15 Devastator: mmm, do I want a laser..
05:50:42 Devastator: I put some nukes in storage, so..
05:51:19 er: Hmm, not sure if the queen really wants her extra mage daughters killed off. Would really suck if you ran out them them.
05:51:42 MidJag: I mean plenty of dysnastys exissted with multiple people in line for the the trone
05:51:58 Devastator: yeah, and they kept fighting each other.
05:52:24 Devastator: but a boy, well, he can't inherit.
05:52:30 MidJag: So they get better at magic because of constant wars. What's the downside here? :P
05:52:31 er: Having lots of cousins risks some succession violence but greatly reduces the chance that you just like, run out of mages
05:53:02 Piecewise: keep them all in a cage
05:53:19 Piecewise: like...what was it...the Turks?
05:53:33 syv: (
MidJag)
Dev you have like zero health, why don't you go for the portal?
05:53:33 syv: (
syv) He wants to catch fire at least once, first.
05:53:42 Devastator: this was on the next floor.
05:53:47 Devastator: but yeah, pretty much.
05:54:04 Devastator: I don't know if that was the only time I'd caught fire.. but it wasn't many times.
05:54:16 Devastator: next up, maybe some surviv stream..
05:56:09 Devastator: yeah. I'll do that next.
05:57:43 er: I guess the other option here is that the king is a hemage and uses his kingly authority to mate with as many shemages as possible
05:58:22 syv: That seems unlikely to work out.
05:58:53 syv: Because the target women are by definition too powerful to be easily or safely controlled.
05:58:59 er: I guess I assume that there's a decent chance that if someone grows up with dbz-level personal power they just decide they don't need to do what society says, because they don't
05:59:31 syv: Are the mechpeople democratic?
06:00:13 MidJag: They're hemocratic, the one with the most blood rules.
06:00:44 er: I think they're basically nomadic clans with technology. Maybe technically democratic, with the "elders" being in charge?
06:02:25 er: Weird nomadic imperialists, who avoid the consequences of their resource depletion by just leaving before it's a problem, over and over and over
06:02:52 syv: ...Hemocratic actually makes a kind of sense for them.
06:03:17 syv: Blood in that society is basically the core of their economy, and therefore the most blood means the most wealth, and the most power.
06:03:39 er: Whoever hunts the best is in charge
06:04:11 syv: Yeah, which is really strongly related. And it makes sense, since their society seems to strongly respecr power.
06:06:34 er: Of course, if I turn the "loyalty to the state" dial way up in my Assessment of Human Nature for Fictional Purposes, then we probably end up with large nations ruled by normals with subordinate mages kept in line by the other mages.
06:07:35 er: And shemages probably relegated to reproducing. Bah, authoritarian dystopia!
06:07:38 syv: If the queen isn't at the center of the battlefield, sending ten soldiers flying with every swing, what kind of queen is she?
06:09:00 syv: Oh my god Kevin is so fluffy how is this legal
06:09:55 er: Being a normal in mage society or a non-combat person in mech society would be demoralizing
06:10:44 MidJag: Just make it so that males have a shit ton of kids, only some of which they care about, and then females have a shit ton of kids and create long lasting dynastys and just use a shit ton of magic to ignore penalities from fighting while heavilly pregenent. Maximum babies for all.
06:10:49 er: I guess if you're a member of the blood-burners there's still a chance you could succeed
06:11:39 er: Jag, you been listening? That's basically what I ended up with
06:12:23 MidJag: And cool, my suggestions are reduenent
06:12:30 Devastator: another winnable oen.
06:12:52 Devastator: plus you can see my mouse not working.
06:16:38 er: Your army rolls across the countryside, pillaging villages and growing stronger. You arrive at the kingdom's castle. A pregnant woman appears on the battlements, deathglares at everyone, and summons an LMG out of thin air
06:18:03 syv: Also, she's wearing a crown.
06:18:37 syv: You said they're a bronze-age society, but I feel like they'd advance rapidly past that just because of soulbound tech?
06:19:17 syv: If nothing else, they'll readily have lots of high quality steel available, because some rando with soulbound steel greatswords can just pump out endless amounts of it.
06:19:38 MidJag: Course they'd have to figure out how to work i.
06:20:40 Devastator: okay, enough of that.
06:20:50 syv: There's people who can summon plasma beams about as easily, so they'll probably realize heat+force and you can bend the swords into whatever you want.
06:21:03 Devastator: yeah, not doing that well.
06:21:09 er: I'm not sure if you can actually get material out of soul bound things. I think they're basically invincible and poof if the mages stops maintaining it or dies
06:21:22 er: You would get better tech for it tho
06:21:24 syv: I could absolutely see a random mage ending up focusing on furniture throughout his life, because that's just what he found his powerset could do.
06:22:01 er: Furniture mage, furniture mage
06:22:05 syv: Gives his mother a set of dining chairs for her birthday, all made out of swords.
06:22:15 er: Does whatever a furnituremage does
06:22:18 syv: Which he carefully worked into shape to make nice chairs.
06:22:58 er: No reason your soul weapon can't just be a folding metal chair ;D
06:23:03 syv: "You are such a disappointment to your father and I! Why haven
06:23:17 MidJag: Channeling that proffesional wrestler power.
06:23:19 syv: 't you gone out and killed people yet?!"
06:23:47 MidJag: Ma, I want to be a carpenter. I'll get to killing people once I finish this house.
06:25:55 er: I think there's room for non combat mages to be appreciated
06:28:23 er: Hmm, I think that mageweapons need to be non-permanent, otherwise all your armies will have mage created m4s rather than m4s lovingly crafted by weaponsmiths based on the design of mage m4s
06:31:25 Devastator: No, not finding it funny.
06:31:50 MidJag: How could you dislike that
dev
06:32:33 Devastator: It's all I am Acting Serious and Vaguely Mocking Overwrought Fantasy.
06:33:35 MidJag: Mixed with really weird faces that are hilarious.
06:34:09 Devastator: this is a long, long step below that.
06:34:22 MidJag: Man, I really though
syv was gonna be the hard one to convince here.
06:35:14 Devastator: I like fantasy too much to enjoy subpar mocking. ;-p
06:35:57 er: Boring! Back to talking about my precious fantasy settings...
06:37:14 er: It seems to me like Refine would end up having lots of different possible starting points for the player group, because I find them all differently interesting...
06:39:30 er: Like, if you start on a oasis and get immediately exiled, versus starting in one of the major cities where the hunter's guild is strong, versus starting in some rando settlement, where you're respected but not given any more authority than a child, and told to get into the metaphorical robot
06:41:03 er: And I think even starting at a Church outpost, where you could have come from lots of different places, and joined the church which is a hunter-only group
06:44:13 er: ALSO I SHOULD GO TO SLEEP AT SOME POINT, DUMMY
06:45:03 syv: I should eat breakfast at some point...
06:46:15 Devastator: I should get more k-com work done at some point.
06:46:25 Devastator: gotta keep putting it off!
06:46:30 Devastator: ahh, fuck it, tomorrow.
06:46:34 MidJag: I don't really have anything to do that I'm capable of doing right now.
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11:01:12 er: Good morning
syv,
Devastator
11:02:23 syv: How does this day find you?
11:11:49 er: Endurance is my dump stat, which is weird because my constitution is pretty great!
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22:53:46 ER: if you eat donut every day, every day you live will be happier
22:53:54 ER: also, you will live less days
22:57:48 Devastator: what if you're only 50-50 on donut?
22:57:55 Devastator: like some days you get a jelly one.
22:58:45 ER: why would you do such a thing
23:04:09 Devastator: What, not like jelly donuts?
23:04:28 ER: not as good as other stuff you could stuff in there
23:08:53 Devastator: Icing inside the donut?
23:09:06 Devastator: That's an interesting idea.
23:09:12 ER: or whatever the cream stuff is
23:10:23 Devastator: I do like Boston Cream donuts.
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