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01:25:36 Devastator: leading 1-0 in Extinction votes.
01:30:47 Devastator: Chicken was a good idea.
01:31:04 Devastator: Weird, knowing what this altar is for, but it works.
01:36:49 Devastator: that looks like some orders from Irony.
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01:50:23 er: This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!
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01:59:30 Devastator: aight, that's a vote.
02:05:04 Devastator: yeah, the drama dice have normally been excellent.
02:18:56 ER: Willis is going to learn every big attack spell and then merge them all together into one ultimate attack, isn't he?
02:21:10 Devastator: No, he's mostly just going to learn every big attack spell, in order. ;-p
02:21:18 Devastator: if he merged them, he'd never ever be able to cast them.
02:21:30 Devastator: but he'll be able to cast some of these at least once or so.
02:21:52 ER: I mean, eventually invent the ultimate attack with every kind of giant attack as the prerequisite
02:25:45 Devastator: Yeah, but that's be something like Meguka, 140 MP.
02:27:14 ER: is EVERYBODY FUCKING ROLLING NINES
02:27:33 ER: I DON'T WANT TO ROLL A WHOLE TURN AND BE LEFT WITH STATUS QUO
02:40:58 ER: dangit now I want to do a catgirl suggestion game
02:56:37 Devastator: maybe after october.
02:57:18 ER: maybe a PM SG because I'd rather people did some actual discussion and planning rather than the first action posted getting +1ed to oblivions
03:02:56 Devastator: Yeah, I could see that.
03:04:06 ER: this would be about a competant person who's put in an unideal situation
03:04:55 ER: where DnD would be about competant people who are properly prepared and getting into things volentarilly, and RTD is about people with more power than sense running from the consequences of their own actions
03:06:03 Devastator: Any particular setting backstory?
03:06:30 ER: Basically fantasy, I was thinking more about the character and situation than general setting
03:21:03 Devastator: Well, should be interesting.
03:26:20 ER: how about harrowing? is harrowing good?
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04:14:37 ER twitches and squirms, somewhere in the deep
04:15:20 MidJag: I'm finnally out of my brace. Now it's just doing a bunch of PT so I can actually use my arm again.
04:15:34 Devastator: still running my forum games.
04:15:41 Devastator: I'll try and update k-com monday morning.
04:15:55 Devastator: monday is canadian thanksgiving.
04:16:11 Devastator: we have it a month earlier because winter.
04:16:29 Devastator: Had some snow this morning.
04:16:38 Devastator: just sleet, really.
04:17:26 Devastator: Huh, apparently it has a different meaning in the states.
04:17:49 Devastator: In the states it means 'ice pellets', which I'm not sure what they are. Isn't that hail?
04:18:07 Devastator: here it's when it's raining but there's some snow in it, or it's almost-melted snow.
04:18:50 MidJag: To me Sleet means your getting rain, snow and a bit of hail as well. Just horrible to be out in.
04:19:14 MidJag: Or like snow that turns into rain instantlly, or rain that turns into snow.
04:19:43 Devastator: yeah, that's pretty much what I mean.
04:19:50 Devastator: Probably the closest you ever get to snow down there.
04:20:27 Devastator: got my tires on, so basically ready.
04:21:42 Devastator: I'll have to get some of my heavier clothing out too.
04:21:52 Devastator: and some extra t-shirts.
04:22:06 MidJag: So is cold weather in Canada all about layering?
04:22:16 Devastator: more or less, yeah.
04:22:21 Devastator: just dress properly and it isn't too bad.
04:22:29 Devastator: but don't skimp out on it.
04:24:32 MidJag: Yeah, Central Alabama, where I'm from gets like an inch or two of snow every couple of years.
04:24:52 MidJag: I had snow twice in college though, which was pretty awesome.
04:28:17 Devastator: There's a couple world-class ski hills right next to where I live.
04:29:03 Devastator: Didn't even really understand that until probably the 2010 olympics in Vancouver.
04:29:21 Devastator: where it was like 'Man, look at how awesome it is at whistler' and I was like 'eh.'
04:31:17 Devastator: It's amusing when you relize that the place they hauled kids to for school trips was actually somewhere world-class.
04:31:36 Devastator: We don't get a huge number of tourists for them, but it's a good way from zero.
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04:35:46 syv: IIRC, ice pellets are smaller than hail.
04:36:02 syv: I had to memorize the details when I got a job in weather.
04:36:14 syv: But mostly forgot because there's been hail here, like, once.
04:36:22 Devastator: What's the term for what I'm calling sleet?
04:36:32 ER:
sy is a major in the bullshit that the sky hurls at us
04:37:21 Devastator: FZRA sounds like freezing rain.
04:37:26 Devastator: that's definately something different.
04:37:40 Devastator: have to look that up.
04:38:01 syv: "Raining but there's snow in it" would be SNRA, I suppose. Sounds odd.
04:38:02 MidJag: Perhaps it means the sky is having a keg party?
04:38:44 syv: RA = rain, GR = GRain, IE Hail. GS/PL is GrainSmall / Ice PeLlets.
04:39:11 syv: "Sleet" to me implies heavy rain with tiny bits of ice.
04:39:23 Devastator: mmm, nah, that isn't it.
04:39:36 Devastator: it's big droplets that sometimes have a few mostly-melted crystals in it.
04:40:03 MidJag: To me it means it means like it's 33F and pouring.
04:40:18 syv: I don't know what designation water with ice inside would be. I don't recall that ever being described.
04:40:50 Devastator: it isn't really ice inside, more like remants of fluffy snowflakes that are basically melted.
04:40:55 Devastator: nothing hard about it.
04:42:12 syv: "One type is composed of hard grains of ice consisting of frozen raindrops, or largely melted and refrozen snowflakes (formerly sleet). This type falls as continuous or intermittent precipitation."
04:42:18 syv: Falls under the category of PL.
04:42:39 Devastator: 'hard grains of ice' isn't what I'm talking about.
04:43:01 Devastator: 'Refrozen' also sounds hard.
04:43:16 Devastator: it can be heavy, but it's soft.
04:43:53 Devastator: Could check what the airport had it at about 12 hours ago up here.
04:44:13 syv: Also--yeah, the difference between PL (ice pellets) and GR (hail) is the size of the ice grains.
04:44:40 syv: No mention made to what's between those...
04:45:28 MidJag: A nether realm of pain and suffering clearlly
04:45:30 Devastator: yeah, check around 0900 or 1000 yesterday.
04:45:48 syv: Designation or city for the airport?
04:46:32 MidJag: Wait your weather thing is international
syv?
04:47:13 syv: Depends on what you're referring to as a thing.
04:47:19 syv: The METAR system is global, yes.
04:47:27 syv: Has to be for international flights.
04:47:57 syv: But I work as a subcontracter for the US Federal gov.
04:48:05 MidJag: I'm just mildly impressed anyone had that kind of foresight.
04:48:29 MidJag: Considering no two EMR's can talk to each other, or even convert files between each other.
04:48:33 Devastator: I couldn't see how you could do it otherwise.
04:48:37 syv: America still uses Imperial measures for cloud heights, while other countries use metric.
04:48:50 Devastator: lemme know what it had for this morning, then.
04:48:53 syv: So FEW014 means different things in different countries...
04:48:56 Devastator: if it isn't too much trouble.
04:49:12 ER: are you nerds still talking about precipition
04:50:13 MidJag: But it does make sense to have everythig international, so it's not like the code for sunny day turns into the code for tornado in a different country.
04:51:08 Devastator: well, we could talk about catgirls, but I'm not running that game until I'm done with Trence.
04:51:11 Devastator: and I'm enjoying Trence.
04:51:39 MidJag: I could complain about medical school applications
04:51:40 syv: CYXS is an automated station, it just has RA.
04:52:10 syv: Oh, there's -UP here? I've never seen that designation.
04:52:23 MidJag: Perhaps things fall up in Canada?
04:52:36 syv: Oh, no, it's Unknown Precipitation.
04:52:47 syv: Which is the catch all for "I dunno what to call this"
04:52:53 MidJag: Ah, downsides of automated I guess.
04:53:37 ER: how's this for 3d6 in an SG: +1 for doing something which plays to your character's stengths, -1 for doing something which plays yo your weaknesses. +2 for doing something tactically sound or well thought out, -2 for doing something which is a bad idea. These can stack if multiple apply.
04:53:48 syv: That was at 2004Z, so ~nine hours ago.
04:54:03 Devastator: Yeah, it was going until late afternoon, so..
04:54:31 Devastator: Hah. Shit from the sky.
04:54:52 syv: Apparently the rain was basically constant. UP showed up a couple times, bouncing on for one METAR occasionally.
04:55:02 syv: Auto sensors kinda suck in general.
04:55:24 Devastator: if it's automated that one might just be broken in some way. And yeah, it was pretty constant. Sometimes sleetier, sometimes not, but yeah.
04:56:02 syv: Most of them only measure the very specific patch of ground they're sitting on, and are over sensitive, so will bounce on and off too readily.
04:56:26 syv: +3 at max in 3d6 seems weak to me.
04:56:29 Devastator: It also wouldn't be weird to have sleet here but rain at the airport or vice versa. We're like 25 km apart.
04:57:11 syv: Teeechnically stations are supposed to account for the ten-mile radius around them.
04:57:22 syv: Or ten-KM if you're in a metric country.
04:57:22 ER: 11 is the lowest result which is a success
04:57:32 syv: Nobody sees a problem with that, somehow.
04:57:41 ER: so, 83% chance of success on 3d6+3
04:58:00 syv: But yeah, with auto, those readings are "for this specific segment of the runway, which hopefully correlates to the rest of the runway"
04:58:08 ER: a lot more if 9-10 count as success, which they can sometimes in my rulings
04:58:12 syv: Or really prolly the ground around the tower.
04:58:30 Devastator: I don't know where it is with any kind of precision.
04:59:01 ER: I really think that +3 in my 3d6 is about as strong as +3 in
ER
04:59:51 ER: and greatly reduced chance of a bad failure
04:59:52 Devastator: No wait, it'll be on the north side of the terminal building, because that's where the original half of it was.
04:59:56 syv: Which... eh, I guess that's 1 on 1d6. I still consider that too high for the ideal circumstance.
05:00:26 ER: *something* can always go wrong
05:00:42 Devastator: google maps has it marked.
05:00:46 Devastator: it's right in the middle of the runway triangle.
05:00:53 Devastator: so basically dead centre of the airport.
05:00:57 syv: That seems like a good place, really.
05:01:20 syv:
ER--Yeah but if you can't get better than 10% failure chance, chaos is too powerful.
05:01:26 Devastator: seperated. South of the runways, north of the tower. Right next to the original one was in 1940.
05:01:31 syv: I 110% support PM catgirl game.
05:01:33 Devastator: noreth of the terminal, sorry.
05:02:34 Devastator: yeah, but intended for how it was when it was built.
05:02:37 syv: Ours is on the opposite side of the runways, from the terminal.
05:02:59 syv: Have to enter from the opposite side of the AP.
05:03:51 ER: do you want to suggest another source of +1 to stack with that ideal case +3?
05:04:05 Devastator: there were two runways, a big one running about 350-170, a smaller one running about 80-260, and a tiny third one running about 30-210.
05:04:19 Devastator: two original ones were the ones running 30-210 and 80-260.
05:04:37 Devastator: but the other one was best for making really long for heavy aircraft, so they did that about 10 years ago.
05:04:37 syv: And one more +1 from "specific training"
05:04:55 ER: ...but that's just the same as the normal +1
05:05:10 syv: Normal +1 is suitability to your char, I thought?
05:05:38 syv: This would be training. Anyone can be taught how to draw shapes. Only a talented person can make great art.
05:06:31 syv: Gives you ~5% failure chance if you're talented, trained, well-equipped, have thought it out well, isn't a bad idea, and doesn't involve your weaknesses.
05:06:38 ER: training is a type of suitability
05:06:52 syv: So 1 on 1d20 in the most ideal possible circumstance.
05:07:38 ER: with a +5 the worst you're able to roll is an 8, and it's a tiny chance
05:08:03 ER: almost certainly you'll roll at least 9, which is "eventual success"
05:09:13 syv: Ahh, thought it was 10 and below is fail. Pass/fail system without tiering.
05:09:26 syv: Then sure, +4 or +3 is fine.
05:09:57 ER: without tiers, ya may as well use 1d20 or 1d100 and have more intuitive control
05:11:22 syv: The benefit of rolling multiple dice is diminishing returns.
05:11:49 syv: Every subsequent +1 in 3d6 is worth less.
05:12:07 syv: If it's d20 with four-wide tiers, each +1 is equally valuable.
05:12:40 syv: So 3d6 you want to spread stats around more, and the system encourages it, while d20 you want to stack the god stat.
05:14:14 ER: Might go for, rather than seperate talent and skill, just have "very suitable" give a +2
05:14:52 ER: quality of equipment is probably a good idea, especially because good equipment will probably be hard to come by...
05:20:51 ER: Hmm, do I even need to send PM catgirl SG to anyone but
syv and
dev?
05:21:33 Devastator: dunno, anyone else want in?
05:21:40 MidJag: I mean I don't have time to play it unfortunetlly
05:21:51 MidJag: I should have time once I get my secondaries in though
05:22:04 ER: let's be honest, it'll be slow
05:22:40 MidJag: True, but secondaries involve writing. And I suck at writing.
05:23:00 Devastator: I'm more in the mood for a slow one anyway.
05:23:24 ER: I just mean little pressure to participate
05:54:58 syv:
Dev is going on about his Cabal suit.
05:55:09 syv: You got any plans for the catgirl?
05:57:07 Devastator: as always, let me know if I"m annoying you, okay?
06:10:00 syv: Stuff... is happening, right now.
06:29:21 Devastator: maybe tonight isn't the best night for it.
06:29:43 Devastator: tomorrow I got work.
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