ERLOG 2020-10-06

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00:41:29 ER: I'm watching a streamer and he brought up the idea of Dark Souls, but you're on a skateboard
00:41:36 ER: which sounds good to me
00:43:01 Devastator: Streets of Rage IV.
01:11:38 ER: mice.
01:13:23 Devastator: Mice!
01:13:30 Devastator: I don't know if the players understand how dangerous mice are.
01:13:36 Devastator: also, updated.
01:13:59 ER: I bet syv does :P
01:14:26 ER: they sure do seem intent on using melee weapons against flying cavalry
01:14:49 Devastator: Looks like a bad move shooting the priests like that.
01:15:16 ER: mmh, yeah. Maybe I should have gone for two normal attacks against them rather than the AoE
01:15:45 Devastator: well, you'd have dropped one of them.
01:17:58 ER: trence uses potion, willis shoots a priest.
01:18:28 ER: hopefully we kill a mage and reduce the damage we take, and willis can heal next turn
01:23:13 Devastator: Gonna wait for some votes in this one, most likely.
01:23:19 Devastator: rough fight.
01:24:33 ER: yeahh
01:32:38 Devastator: Ahh, the mindless +1s start rolling in.
01:32:45 Devastator: ;-p
01:33:20 ER: I think that me an IO are the only ones who do any thinking at all in combat, and IO ususally agrees with me if I get in first
01:34:01 Devastator: Yeah.
01:34:13 Devastator: Plus one! ;-p
01:36:55 ER: pasta organ
01:44:33 Devastator: yes.
01:44:41 Devastator: been waiting for one of those to show up from the loot tables.
01:47:36 ER: what's it do
01:50:19 Devastator: Pasta stuff.
01:52:24 ER: is it tasty?
01:59:41 Devastator: It's blue.
01:59:54 ER: vote blue
02:43:40 Devastator: Burger time.
02:43:50 ER: borgar
02:44:03 Devastator: Trying out a new recipie.
02:44:11 Devastator: recipe, sorry.
02:44:17 Devastator: this one's too unhealthy to eat often.
02:44:34 ER: ha, health
02:44:49 ER: a hollow, and rediculous notion
02:45:37 Devastator: Mmm, not bad.
02:45:41 Devastator: not quite enough spice.
02:45:51 ER: yeah
02:45:56 ER: good rule for cooking
02:46:03 ER: MORE SPICE ;P
02:46:26 Devastator: mm, no, more spice in that bite.
02:46:29 Devastator: need to mix better.
02:46:51 Devastator: Yeah, this is good.
02:47:07 ER: mixing things is fun
03:32:47 Devastator: mmm.
03:32:49 Devastator: two down.
03:34:23 Devastator: Kyrgyzstan is having a popular revolt against its russian puppet leader. That's two in two months.
03:34:59 ER: welp
03:35:00 Devastator: sorry, three months since Belarus.
03:35:17 Devastator: looks like they're winning. Took their presidential palace and parliament buildings today.
03:37:57 Devastator: Belarus is an ongoing standoff, but the country is basically non-functional, which means they'll win when Bolisaro runs out of money or the security forces give up.
03:38:42 ER: war, huh, what is it good for
03:40:04 Devastator: Well, Kyrgyzstan might not be having much of one. Looks like the president escaped, but he made a public statement that he wants the faked election results voided, and they put the state TV offices out of order, and freed a bunch of political prisoners.
03:40:24 Devastator: so.. doesn't look like he has enough forces to keep himself on the throne.
03:41:19 ER: hmm
03:42:06 Devastator: Putin cares a lot more about Belarus, but.. I don't know. He might actually be starting to run short of money.
03:43:22 Devastator: or Kyrgyzstan caught him by surprise.
04:51:00 syv has joined #einsteinianroulette
04:52:00 Devastator: heya syv.
04:52:31 syv: heya dev.
04:53:02 ER stands in a dark corner, motionless
04:53:39 syv headpats ER
04:54:04 ER melts and reforms into an anime catgirl
04:54:35 MidJag has joined #einsteinianroulette
04:54:54 MidJag: lo
04:55:01 ER: who goes there!
04:55:25 MidJag: tis I. A Jaguar of the night
04:57:56 MidJag: hiya syv
04:58:04 syv: Hello.
04:58:10 MidJag: howre you?
04:58:26 syv: Meh. Tired.
04:59:09 ER: god, not working feels great
05:03:20 Devastator: Heh.
05:03:30 Devastator: I remember when you said that working felt great.
05:03:39 Devastator: I suppose it's whatever you aren't doing that feels great.
05:04:01 MidJag: Thats pretty much the human condition
05:06:54 ER: nope, I feel great right now
05:06:58 ER: not working
05:07:41 MidJag: Fair
05:09:42 Devastator: Thanks for the k-com orders.
05:10:06 Devastator: "Trade with literally every organizatoin" should be a hoot. ;-p
05:10:48 Devastator: mmm, B max..
05:10:55 Devastator: fuck, sorry.
05:11:28 syv: ????
05:12:41 Devastator: shouldn't have said what you were doing.
05:13:00 syv: ???????
05:13:10 ER: ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
05:13:15 ER: anime!?!?!?
05:13:24 syv: Yes, I'd like anime.
05:15:38 MidJag: Ah damnit I actually need to be up for mt 8AM. Night gents.
05:15:41 MidJag has left #einsteinianroulette
05:16:18 syv: Well that was wholly expected.
05:16:31 Devastator: Yes, the drive-by feline.
05:18:23 ER: may he get his rest
05:18:47 Devastator: Also, Trence is up shit creek at the moment, syv.
05:18:52 Devastator: too many porkers.
05:19:11 ER: so Devastator, is it a PP with syv and dev night or a GG with syv night?
05:19:26 Devastator: Yeah, I can watch a couple.
05:19:32 Devastator: don't want to stay up too late, but sure.
05:19:47 syv: ^-^
05:19:50 ER: https://youtu.be/ud1FtCqOPsE
05:19:52 syv: What ep are we on?
05:20:07 ER: 17 iirc
05:20:23 ER: I remember noting that we had 6 left
05:20:35 Devastator: with no idea of what was going to happen.
05:20:45 syv: Yes, 17.
05:20:56 syv: This one is ready
05:21:17 Devastator: Ready.
05:21:26 Devastator: I bet makasari or whoever will escape.
05:21:38 Devastator: ugh, need a name for him.
05:21:50 Devastator is bad at names.
05:21:56 ER: I was just calling him his name
05:22:02 ER: which I don't currently remember
05:22:09 syv: Psychoboy?
05:22:16 ER: feel free to use BAD GUY
05:22:20 Devastator: Heh.
05:22:24 ER: ready
05:22:27 syv: Magic man?
05:22:32 syv: Okay
05:22:34 syv: 5
05:22:36 syv: 4
05:22:37 syv: 3
05:22:39 syv: 2
05:22:40 syv: 1
05:22:42 syv: 0
05:22:51 syv: Ciiity
05:22:52 ER: MECH
05:22:54 syv: Mech!
05:23:06 ER: future japan has mechs!
05:23:12 syv: Ofc
05:23:15 Devastator: Trenchcoat Glasses.
05:23:27 Devastator: also, old cop has robo-arm.
05:23:49 Devastator: Ugh, theme music too loud.
05:23:50 ER: so edgy boi was abducted by the chief?
05:23:57 ER: NOT LOUD ENUFF
05:24:20 syv: Nah, Kagaree is ded
05:24:34 ER: ded?
05:24:36 Devastator: Yeah, he got shot by the chief.
05:24:39 Devastator: the lone guy.
05:24:50 ER: no, that was the stunner
05:24:52 Devastator: yeah, though, I bet Makahira will escape.
05:24:56 ER: the hackerman was killed
05:24:58 Devastator: chief used a murderbeam.
05:25:01 Devastator: on the cop.
05:25:05 Devastator: well, the enforcer.
05:25:18 ER: the gun said stunner, I though
05:25:27 syv: (ER) no, that was the stunner
05:25:27 syv: No, she overrode it and made it into the murder version.
05:25:31 Devastator: Yeah, but then it went glitchy and expanded into the vaporize thing.
05:25:42 Devastator: obv chief has an override.
05:25:47 syv: It was a good sequence, rewatch it after this ep.
05:26:44 ER: makishima!
05:26:56 Devastator: Myamoto.
05:28:04 Devastator: Man, they'd be pretty degraded if they can't manage one trial.
05:28:09 syv: Nyamoto
05:29:17 ER: EVIL
05:31:23 ER: she's touma?
05:31:26 ER: ??????????????
05:32:00 Devastator: Apparently.
05:32:03 Devastator: and a robot.
05:32:09 Devastator: also one that had some fast repairs.
05:32:10 syv: I don't remember who Touma is...
05:32:19 Devastator: Makashima's Friend.
05:32:52 ER: welp
05:32:53 Devastator: mmm.
05:32:55 Devastator: so hivemind.
05:32:59 ER: so syv's right
05:33:05 syv: ~~~
05:33:34 ER: so society is run by a network of asymptomatic criminals
05:33:44 Devastator: Do people have nothing to do in this city?
05:34:02 ER: touma is the one who murdered kou's friend
05:34:25 Devastator: you kept the video?
05:34:30 ER: brains!
05:34:37 ER: brains in cubes!
05:34:38 syv: Yup
05:34:43 Devastator: Slime.
05:34:51 Devastator: so yeah, steve with claw machines.
05:35:30 ER: "only nation on earth ruled by law"
05:35:39 Devastator: and, naturally, there's no law.
05:35:46 Devastator: Always seems to work that way, doesn't it?
05:37:05 syv: Yep, they're sociopaths.
05:37:11 Devastator: Mmm, so sociopaths only.
05:37:14 Devastator: wonderful.
05:38:29 ER: frikking authoriarians
05:38:32 Devastator: Mmm, still not as good as episode 10..
05:38:36 Devastator: and yeah, pretty much.
05:38:45 Devastator: Makashima's gonna be able to out-think them, isn't he?
05:38:51 syv: Yes.
05:39:02 ER: he's goint to rebel
05:39:12 Devastator: well that might be a plot twist.
05:41:02 ER: BOOKED
05:41:11 Devastator: Weaksauce cyborg, heh.
05:42:57 Devastator: Parachute: Optional.
05:43:03 syv: So.
05:43:12 ER: heck yes
05:43:13 syv: I think Urobutcher and I like a lot of the same things.
05:43:18 Devastator: Yeah, you pretty much had it there.
05:43:34 ER: dammit Steve
05:43:58 Devastator: Fuck Steve.
05:44:00 syv: More than that, this is probably pretty much exactly how I'd write this plot.
05:44:02 Devastator: still willing to see it out, though.
05:44:23 syv: Stinger?
05:44:26 syv: Yep
05:44:47 Devastator: Joyboy hallucination.
05:44:55 syv: Joyboy
05:44:59 syv: 's good.
05:45:02 ER: I feel like a status quo ending to this wouldn't be satisfying, but there's more seasons...
05:45:09 Devastator: well, he's got the non-bishi hair..
05:45:15 Devastator: that's how anime shows tough guys.
05:45:48 ER: on mo
05:45:49 syv: Now go back and watch the end of 16
05:46:03 syv: 20:20
05:50:31 ER: eh, I didn't memorize the gun shapes
05:50:36 ER: is that really lethal?
05:50:46 Devastator: That's the disintegrator.
05:51:16 ER: using the disintegrator in that room seems like a terrible idea
05:52:05 ER: more?
05:52:14 Devastator: sure.
05:52:40 ER: ready
05:53:13 Devastator: ready
05:54:09 syv: 5
05:54:10 syv: 4
05:54:12 syv: 3
05:54:13 syv: 2
05:54:14 syv: 1
05:54:16 syv: 0
05:54:23 ER: ...I wonder why the chief-cyborg was damaged, other than to show us she's a cyborg
05:54:41 Devastator: because she got shot?
05:55:00 ER: there she is
05:55:14 syv: They need more people puppets.
05:55:20 Devastator: I remember reading a story about a bodyswapper like that.
05:55:21 ER: so I guess she's not so much evil as not actually a someone
05:55:37 Devastator: Caused a real plot issue when she ran out of bodies.
05:56:00 Devastator: had to be very careful for a couple in-universe years.
05:56:35 ER: if your brain is ever in danger you're doing it wrong ;P
05:56:56 Devastator: It wasn't that way, it was "If I die this time, I can't come back for years."
05:58:18 ER: I think the overmind should probably consider just killing the guy
05:58:26 ER: he's cly dangerous
05:59:09 Devastator: ..do you even know what protective duty is?
06:00:27 ER: gross
06:00:36 Devastator: it's fine if the can is empty.
06:01:00 syv: Actually seems like a good idea.
06:01:08 syv: Nice container for it.
06:02:44 ER: I think if he kills Makishima, Sibil will kill him back
06:03:01 syv: If the sybil system is actually based on people interpreting others, why would they not mark anyone getting into their safe building as dangerous and needing to be stopped?
06:03:30 Devastator: Didn't they just do that?
06:03:50 Devastator: the chief overriding the gun was that happening.
06:04:32 syv: They let them in when Joyboy and Hackerman led the six rangers in.
06:05:09 Devastator: The door might not have been working after hackerman went through.
06:05:50 Devastator: ..are those guys from division 2?
06:06:13 Devastator: Hah, so that's the workaround.
06:06:58 syv: I can totally believe this loophole.
06:06:59 ER: so glasses dude is smart after all
06:07:26 Devastator: Chief isn't that dumb.
06:07:30 Devastator: this is too important.
06:08:40 Devastator: mmm.
06:09:25 Devastator: That's like a huge mistake.
06:09:43 syv: Aww
06:09:47 ER: Sibil are dumb
06:09:51 Devastator: don't show them you can do that.
06:09:55 Devastator: and yeah.
06:10:20 Devastator: Is that the second time she's shot him?
06:10:26 syv: Yes.
06:10:26 ER: yup
06:12:25 Devastator: hmm.
06:12:33 Devastator: I thought he'd just be put on leave and run away.
06:13:23 Devastator: "My partner got killed by the last gun."
06:13:25 ER: Sibil loves Makishima and hates Kougami, which is cly the wrong choice
06:13:41 Devastator: Kougami's comprehensable.
06:13:44 Devastator: so.. yeah.
06:14:11 Devastator: Mmm.
06:14:15 Devastator: need to move laundry.
06:14:17 Devastator: be back.
06:14:22 ER: aw yeah, we cyberpunk now!
06:15:53 ER: ;-;
06:16:43 syv: T^T
06:17:13 Devastator: Cyberpunk the RTD.
06:17:22 syv: Watch the ED, Dev.
06:17:32 syv: HOW ARE THERE FOUR MORE EPISODES?1
06:18:05 ER: rome wasn't sacked in a day
06:18:11 Devastator: so old guy gave him a gun?
06:18:18 Devastator: "Filler" ;-p
06:18:20 Devastator: anything else?
06:18:44 Devastator: yeah, understandable.
06:18:47 Devastator: although the
06:18:52 Devastator: ~baka was amusing.
06:19:14 Devastator: one more.
06:19:15 syv: Are we keeping on tonight?
06:19:18 Devastator: that'll leave it at 3 to go.
06:19:18 syv: Okay!
06:19:37 syv: Ready
06:19:41 Devastator: `rr
06:19:46 ER: ready, sir
06:19:48 Devastator: `cg
06:19:52 syv: Nice shoe
06:19:54 syv: 5
06:19:55 syv: 4
06:19:57 syv: 3
06:19:58 syv: 2
06:19:59 syv: 1
06:20:00 syv: 0
06:20:04 ER: also casings
06:20:16 syv: Reload drills.
06:20:23 Devastator: seems pretty fast.
06:20:32 syv: Oh yes.
06:20:33 ER: he has to do those, using a magic gun for so long
06:20:50 syv: Poor Japan, their police still get revolvers.
06:21:01 ER: really?
06:21:07 Devastator: Might be better if that was the case in more places..
06:21:12 syv: Last I read.
06:21:25 syv: Which admittedly was a couple years ago.
06:22:06 ER: note that in this ideal future utopia, people still smoke indoors
06:22:28 Devastator: Mmm.
06:23:01 syv: Only latent criminals.
06:23:33 Devastator: Not much to lose there.
06:23:41 syv: CGI!
06:24:20 Devastator: do we have a name for ponytail?
06:24:40 ER: she's quiet enough to not need one :P
06:24:55 syv: Rocker girl?
06:25:00 syv: Latent lesbian?
06:25:25 Devastator: Not really latant. She was screwing the operations officer in episode 1.
06:26:13 Devastator: "Is this going to turn into nookie? I'm not really into her.."
06:27:06 syv: Hahaha
06:27:11 ER: how a collective of sociopaths judges, you of course
06:28:19 Devastator: "No rulers"
06:30:04 Devastator: Not a bad interpretation.
06:36:45 Devastator: "But I have no idea where all these frog images came into it."
06:37:27 syv: Ehehehehe
06:37:29 ER: diversity is important
06:37:33 Devastator: These people are morons.
06:37:50 syv: Yeah, he was listing journalists and "social critics"
06:38:02 Devastator: gotta have journos.
06:38:17 syv: My first thought was "edgy teens and dissatisfied bums"
06:38:18 Devastator: And I'd be sad in a world where ther isn't an Angry Video Game Nerd. ;-p
06:38:28 Devastator: Yeah, some of that.
06:38:35 Devastator: I'm sure there's one or two for the actually smart people.
06:38:39 syv: You'll get some journalists, but also a lot of idiots.
06:38:54 Devastator: been to one or two of them myself in the past..
06:40:36 ER: that means it'll be cute cop to kill him
06:40:52 Devastator: Makashima will escape on a boat.
06:40:59 Devastator: Season 2, the rest of the world.
06:41:21 ER: !!!
06:41:32 Devastator: mmm.
06:41:39 syv: Hum. Did they realize she's a sociopath too?
06:41:48 ER: perhaps
06:42:12 ER: only pictures of her for the first part of the song
06:42:23 Devastator: She's no sociopath.
06:42:43 Devastator: She can be measured too, remember.
06:42:56 Devastator: Maybe they need someone. Everyone else is not available.
06:43:07 ER: I'd bet she's "asymptomatic"
06:43:14 syv: She's never had a non-clear hue.
06:43:16 Devastator: Nah, she's been measured all the time.
06:43:21 Devastator: and she just had oen.
06:43:24 Devastator: "Pale lavender"
06:43:34 syv: She's been talking about how she never goes up, even when shes going through shit.
06:43:42 syv: Makashimi could be measured
06:43:43 Devastator: Yeah, but that's not quite true.
06:43:47 syv: It's just thw he never went up.
06:43:48 ER: makishima can be mesaured. he just never measures high. just like cutecop
06:43:59 Devastator: Makashimi's measurement from one moment to the next was widely variable.
06:44:11 syv: Nah, it just kept going down.
06:44:16 Devastator: Yeah, which isn't right.
06:44:34 Devastator: cutecop didn't have that, and when she was put through that brainscan procedure she went up too.
06:44:46 Devastator: Nah, it's just really low and really resiliant, but not immesurable.
06:44:48 ER: by only a little
06:45:16 syv: 16:54 48.5
06:45:59 syv: 17:24, Makashima cuts girl, 32
06:47:40 syv: 18:44 "haha you're useless~!" "Under 20"
06:47:51 syv: 18.3 specifically
06:49:29 syv: 19:55 "Regret helplessness, and feel despair" *slashes neck* "Crime coefficient: 0"
06:49:58 ER: more like
06:50:08 ER: regret not aiming with both hands
06:50:19 syv: TRY HOLDING WITH BOTH HANDS
06:50:24 Devastator: look for cutecop readings.
06:50:30 Devastator: we know about Makashima's results.
06:50:42 ER: shooting a bigass rifle one handed, while looking down the sights of a pistol you're holding with your other hand
06:50:52 syv: Oh, first Joyboy reading is at 14:01, 79.2
06:51:19 ER: cutecop got a reading when they were after the first helmet guy
06:51:23 ER: 20 something
06:51:49 Devastator: I know she was in the 30s at another time.
06:52:09 syv: One of the google suggestions when googling her crime coefficient is "Is Akane criminally asymptomatic?"
06:52:29 Devastator: Well they're morons.
06:52:31 Devastator: No, no she isn't.
06:52:50 syv: Hehe.
06:52:53 ER: is tho
06:53:15 Devastator: No.
06:53:20 ER: syv, spoil yourself to settle our petty disargeement!
06:53:36 syv: Basically, we don't have proof she isn't. And she *does* fit the bill. She talks about being confused that her pass is always clear, even when she's feeling horrible.
06:53:44 syv: What she doesn't have is obvious sociopathy.
06:54:01 Devastator: Yeah we have proof.
06:54:02 syv: That being said, sociopathy isn't really quite so simple.
06:54:06 Devastator: The chief would know.
06:54:19 Devastator: and the chief hasn't shoved her brain into a box yet.
06:54:33 syv: Nah. How do they read sociopaths? By people murdering when their coefficients are still low.
06:54:42 syv: And they *did* just offer her knowledge.
06:54:54 syv: Recall, JoyBoy has known he was different since being a *child*.
06:55:03 syv: But they're only offering him the job now.
06:55:14 syv: He's passed through many scans, actively abused it even/
06:55:24 ER: they explained the asymptomatic people as being folks with a non-normal outlook on life
06:55:25 syv: If they knew just from scans, they'd have nabbed him far sooner.
06:55:55 Devastator: It's still dumb.
06:56:22 syv: Hehehehe.
06:56:29 Devastator: You're arguing that the explanation is that the scans are worthless on her, using evidence from the same scans.
06:56:30 syv: It's what I'd write.
06:56:39 syv: Well yeah.
06:56:58 syv: That's the definition of "criminally asymptomatic" in this world.
06:58:10 Devastator: I'm saying you have nothing to base said assertion on, while I have the fact that she's working as a cop.
06:58:29 syv: True, this is a guess, and there's reasons not to believe it.
06:58:43 syv: Mostly, I want it to be true. But I'd guess it's wrong.
06:58:57 syv: So far all criminal symptotes have been traditional sociopaths.
06:59:07 syv: Serial killers.
06:59:40 ER: but also serial killers who weren't
07:00:33 syv: One of the fun fascinating things about sociopathy, though, is that it's estimated to be waaaay more common than serial killers. Which, really, makes sense; if sociopathy is simply having no empathy, why would they all kill people? Most would just be dicks that still don't murder people, 'cause murder is dumb.
07:01:16 syv: Most also have *some* kind of moral system and beliefs about how the world works, even if it's insane to other people and not based on empathy.
07:01:56 syv: It's not hard to conceive of a law-abiding sociopath who's basically lucked into a more traditional moral system and behaves as a saint because that's just how they've ended up thinking.
07:02:43 Devastator: We have watched Ghostbusters, right?
07:02:49 syv: If *I* were writing a psychological thriller about sociopaths, I would absolutely have a character like this who gets a lot of analysis, and is shown as a different path for the same disorder.
07:03:12 syv: I wouldn't write said char like Cutecop, but I'd put it in.
07:03:27 syv: She doesn't quite fit, she's acted very empathic and caring.
07:04:04 syv: But I *want* her to be this char, and am starting to think she might be meant that way, with more willingness to bend the definition of sociopathy so that she's... well, cute and friendly.
07:04:26 ER: ...but I don't think criminally asymptomatic are supposed to be sociopaths anyways
07:04:42 syv: The show is called psycho-pass
07:04:48 ER: they're described as people who have a non-standard view
07:04:56 syv: Psychopath = sociopath.
07:05:10 ER: who cannot be judged by sybil because sybil doesn't understand them, basically
07:05:14 syv: And all the asymptotes we've seen have been *textbook* sociopaths.
07:05:23 ER: we've met two
07:05:29 syv: But sibyl is made entirely from them.
07:05:32 ER: and one of them only breifly
07:05:36 syv: Three.
07:05:59 syv: Makashimi, Kouma, and whoever was in the body when it tried to make Incompicop murder Ko.
07:06:24 Devastator: She was in too deep a crisis about her friend to be a sociopath.
07:07:10 syv: By the traditional definition, yes.
07:07:31 syv: But if the point of her character is analyzing a different view of it, that would kinda be the *point*.
07:10:30 Devastator: That sounds a lot like saying she's a sociopath, except she doesn't express any of the traits of a sociopath.
07:10:41 syv: :3
07:10:58 Devastator: Yeah.
07:11:05 Devastator: "Hey, this is my dog."
07:11:08 ER: which is why she's asymptomatic which isn't the same thing dammit
07:11:09 Devastator: "That's an Iguana."
07:11:22 Devastator: "No, it's just an iguana-shaped dog."
07:11:32 syv: Awww
07:11:35 syv: I did my best.
07:11:50 syv: Makashima also said his hue had *always* been only the purest white.
07:12:03 syv: Cutecop's hue gets colored all kinds of things.
07:12:31 syv: Hue is psycho-pass, Crime-coefficient is different. CC goes up if you're holding a weapon, for instance.
07:12:32 ER: maybe she just hasn't learned to control it yet
07:13:16 ER: I think they said that hue is what can be measured by machines, but CC needs the human touch
07:13:44 syv: ...That sounds like the reverse of my understanding.
07:13:47 ER: IE, machines can figure out if you're upset, you need people to say if you're guilty
07:14:14 Devastator: Yeah, that was said explicitly, syv.
07:14:19 syv: In that case, Makashima would've had to have been lying.
07:14:21 Devastator: hue is machine-readable.
07:14:31 Devastator: Nah.
07:14:41 Devastator: if he's not human-readable he's probably not machine-readable either.
07:14:49 Devastator: that might just default to clear for some reason.
07:15:58 ER: criminally asymptomatic aer actually the brains of sectiod implanted into humans by the aliens, but they and everyone else don't know and it will never come up
07:16:13 syv: Pff
07:16:22 syv: Nah, Sectoid heads are too big.
07:16:37 syv: Also if that were true, Sibyl would have psychic powers.
07:16:46 ER: they're shorter than humans, so their heads might be around the same size
07:17:03 Devastator: there are hybrids in Apoc.
07:17:11 Devastator: and probably some of the newer games.
07:17:27 syv: XCOM 2 does have hybrids, yes.
07:17:34 syv: :3
07:17:46 ER: yeah, there's a playable hybrid in chiimera squad too
07:18:23 ER: ...I guess there's playable hybrids in x2, too
07:19:18 ER: unlike Apoc, the hybrids aren't really psychic types, though
07:19:42 Devastator: I remember psionics being awful in apoc.
07:20:07 syv: Wasn't the god strat in apoc just teleporters and explosives?
07:20:17 ER: and robots!
07:20:22 syv: Weren't explosives kind've always the god strat, really?
07:20:37 ER: robots with autocannons
07:20:45 Devastator: Not really. There were a few different options, IIRC.
07:22:21 Devastator: toxigun clip C was pretty much an answer to everything.
07:24:37 ER: I kinda like the concept of the upgrade from plasma, which was top-tier in the original, is guns which shoot poison specialized to kill whatever it is you're killing
07:25:32 syv: I just discovered that when my phone's camera is in selfie mode, it still has a flash.
07:25:57 syv: Which it does by shifting brightness to maximum, and whiting out the entire screen.
07:26:23 syv: I discovered this by trying to take a picture of Kevin, who was in my lap, in this pitch dark room.
07:26:55 syv: And my reaction to this discovery scared him away, so I didn't even get a cat picture out of it. :(
07:26:58 ER: rip syv's photoreceptors
07:27:06 Devastator: aww
07:27:11 Devastator: Kevin is the fraidy-cat, right?
07:27:21 Devastator: (and yeah, I want a pic of the fluffikins.)
07:29:10 syv: Yes
07:29:30 ER: hmm
07:29:38 Devastator: just wanted to say fraidy-cat.
07:30:22 ER: mice have guns, but... probably something equivalent to a pistol round would be a bigass cannon to them.
07:31:01 ER: and a gun small enough for one to carry would probably not hurt uch
07:31:32 syv: I think our 22 LR would be basically a 30mm for them.
07:31:45 syv: So not mouse-portable, but could be crew-served.
07:32:09 syv: 22 is prolly pretty comparable to an intermediate or rifle caliber, for a cat.
07:32:37 syv: Not necessarily lethal on a body shot, but will be if it got close to anything important.
07:32:45 Devastator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYFY_Ecm2SY
07:32:49 syv: Yeah, 22 is probably a 5.56 to a cat.
07:33:31 syv: So what would essentially be an AMR for a mouse would be more or less a pistol round for a cat.
07:34:27 ER: I also thought about how effective a formation would really be against something the size of an ogre, relatively.
07:34:43 syv: Pikes.
07:34:51 syv: Pikes are amazing.
07:34:53 Devastator: miniature cannons are just :D
07:35:21 ER: Yeah, but stick-cat can probably outrange a mouse-pike
07:35:31 ER: and sweep them all at once
07:37:02 ER: mice would probably wreck shop with a .22 crew-operated machinegun, but I don't think their tech is there yet
07:37:21 Devastator: toy cannon!
07:38:59 ER: fortunately there's probably not much data on how likely cats are to survive various different bullet calibers
07:40:05 Devastator: None I'd care to look for.
07:40:15 Devastator: Racoon data, maybe.
07:40:24 ER: more likely
07:40:36 Devastator: or a muskrat.
07:41:13 ER: though I'm unsure how comparable a cat is to another mammal of the same size in terms of durability
07:41:32 Devastator: for firearms? Probably comparable.
07:41:44 syv: >(Devastator) None I'd care to look for.
07:41:44 syv: Weak!
07:42:48 syv: (ER) mice would probably wreck shop with a .22 crew-operated machinegun, but I don't think their tech is there yet
07:42:48 syv: I am now visualizing a bunch of mice swarming over a rabbit-pulled carriage, that just has an American-180 atop it, mounted on a swivel.
07:43:37 Devastator: ..I don't want to search for pictures of people shooting cats, syv.
07:43:44 Devastator: call me weak if you want.
07:44:04 ER: I once played the demo of an RPG where you play as a mouse, and he wields a swiss army knife in the same way as one would a giant anime sword
07:44:50 syv: Anyways. I've never shot a cat. My father's shot a few. 22 to the head is very lethal. No skull deflection. Just going on what I've seen with other animals, a jaw hit or something would probably be survivable (much like an intermediate shot to a human). Any shot to the main skull would be lethal due to overpressure.
07:45:01 syv: Shot to the torso failed to kill, once, according to him.
07:45:57 ER: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q44cbwnjHnU/maxresdefault.jpg
07:47:41 syv: A cat with a big stick probably *would* wreck mouse legionaries.
07:47:43 Devastator: dun dun dun dun duuun dun dun duun dun.
07:47:54 syv: Maybe mice infantry would want a lot of highly mobile archers.
07:48:16 syv: Shoot the eyes.
07:48:23 ER: Or... grappling hooks and giant blades to strike the weak point! :D
07:48:41 syv: Though maybe mice simply don't have real infantry?
07:48:56 syv: Or if they do, they're specialized anti-mouse infantry?
07:49:05 syv: Prolly with shortswords for tunnel fighting.
07:49:31 syv: Do mice even have metalworking? I think cats were still tribal, without metalwork.
07:49:56 syv: (ER) Or... grappling hooks and giant blades to strike the weak point! :D
07:49:56 syv: Fuck it, AoT mice sound amazing.
07:50:13 syv: Mice spec ops have magical ODM, yes please.
07:50:30 ER: I might go with pike lesionaires backed up by an AoT monster-slayer
07:50:59 ER: I figured mice had metalworking. Maybe magic-aided
07:51:19 syv: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546439502609121292/753893317896437811/Kevin_and_Hansel.jpg
07:51:28 syv: There's your picture, Dev. Old one.
07:51:36 ER: cats only think to make technology which *is* magic, mice use magic to build technology
07:52:22 ER: The way I saw it, mice had little reason to fight each other. They're united.
07:52:43 syv: I feel like they'd have dystopian police.
07:52:52 syv: Which would be basically militarized.
07:52:59 Devastator: yay
07:53:00 ER: yeah, but police use different methods from an army
07:53:16 syv: Also, their government seems to be essentially military atits core?
07:53:31 ER: shortswords are fine. Probably won't see any of them in SC, tho
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07:59:24 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Fleshorrors dream of feline BASS
07:59:24 Topic set by syv [Tuesday 29 September 2020, 08:56:47]
08:02:52 ER: though if there's good guys here, it's clearly the gigantic devourers, because fuck authoriatarians ;P
08:03:11 syv: They also purr
08:03:18 syv: Purring is fucking *amazing*
08:03:40 Devastator: heh
08:03:45 ER: yeah, that's how they manage to regenerate 1 strike per turn
08:03:50 ER: just purr!
08:04:07 Devastator: Hah.
08:08:45 syv: Hamburger patties are basically just fat meat cookies
08:09:18 ER: hmm, yeah
08:09:21 ER: I need more of those
08:11:14 ER: I feel like it's pretty in character for cat mages that radio is toting around a huge gun seemingly designed for the hands of a much larger creature
08:15:21 syv: "Someday, I will be BIG, and this will be PERFECT!"
08:15:36 Devastator: Hah.
08:15:49 Devastator: I'm sure any agressive small cat would like to be a big cat.
08:18:50 ER: big cat's where the action's at
08:45:26 Devastator: outside of the small cats who think they ARE big cats.
08:45:53 ER: Those are the ones you gotta watch out for
08:46:07 ER: they have the volume of a small cat, but the mass of a large one
08:56:09 ER: https://youtu.be/UiWjCDgg7GE
09:02:37 syv: Uh
09:02:39 syv: Damn
09:09:52 ER: hmm
09:11:09 ER: the society in psycho-pass has like 130 rulers, and 12 police officers, of which like 4 are actually trustworthy
09:14:21 syv: ...Aaahahahahahahaha
09:14:40 syv: Really that's just for *this* city... but yes.
09:15:06 syv: I still say there's probably beat cops that resolve much more minor things. Traffic tickets and such.
09:15:13 syv: These guys are just the SWAT.
09:15:27 ER: I think the "beat cops" of this world are those drones
09:15:58 syv: In which case the 130 rulers are also the true police force.
09:16:34 ER: hmm, yeah
09:17:56 ER: it does place the cid in a strange spot of "tiny force, has pretty much the monopoly on force, NOT trusted with any secrets or the ability to override the system"
09:18:59 ER: a specialized organ. Well, I don't really see why they couldn't manage to have a thing like that, but keep them loyal rather than ignorant
09:19:07 ER: wouldn't make as good a story :P
09:20:27 ER: I guess now their plan is to inform Cutecop without absorbing her, because she's pretty loyal to law and order
09:20:42 syv: They're too exposed to the realities and flaws of the system.
09:21:09 syv: I think she'll be used as a pawn to clean the current system up, and they'll replace the whole group soonish.
09:24:03 ER: maybe everybody will die, cutecop will be eaten by steve, and a copy of her body will be the new chief in future seasons starring a whole new cast ;p
09:36:01 syv: That would be phenomenal, but she's on the cover for later seasons.
09:36:07 syv: So protagboy will die.
09:36:55 ER: F
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22:33:18 ER: rolled "how well the battle is going"
22:33:23 ER: got an 18
22:33:29 ER: so I guess you win
22:36:37 ER: T
22:36:45 ER: the glory of catkind is forever
23:34:20 Devastator: meowkind.
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23:36:55 Devastator: Hello.
23:37:02 andrew: hello
23:37:06 ER: whoooooooo
23:37:16 ER: hi :3
23:37:49 andrew: whats happening hows you guys
23:37:49 Devastator: We got a mystery here! Bay12 user?
23:38:10 Devastator: Ok.
23:38:16 Devastator: got a new vid to watch, then updating my game.
23:38:19 Devastator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_QuIbJHz7o
23:38:43 ER: I'm doing okay
23:39:36 Devastator: that's good.
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