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03:33:58 Devastator: mostly done k-com, just got.. bored. I'll have it finished tomorrow.
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03:52:15 syv: Yes. It's pretty good, in fact.
03:52:22 MidJag: I just took 4 tests in 3 days. I'm mostly just tired.
03:52:38 syv: Can't say I've ever done that.
03:52:43 Devastator: test test test test.
03:53:06 syv: Sounds like test sleep test test sleep test
03:53:07 Devastator: oh, finished that puzzle game you helped me with a while ao,
MJ.
03:53:21 MidJag: First for me too. I've never had every single class give a test ar the sanme time before.
03:54:00 MidJag: And I didn't exactlly help. More just chat while you worked on it :P
03:55:14 MidJag: But all of them went went either well to decentlly except for possiblly the last one.
03:55:16 Devastator: nah, you gave me an idea to beat that mud level.
03:55:47 Devastator: any guesses as to what is lower than lowest point?
03:56:06 MidJag: lower than lowest point?
03:56:27 MidJag: As in that being the name of the place :P
03:56:58 MidJag: Either that or a dive bar named paradox ~
03:57:31 Devastator: It's both the name of the place and an accurate description.
03:59:16 Devastator: I'll stream ya the ending if you want.
03:59:29 Devastator: internet is still utter garbage, but a TBS puzzle game should be ok.
04:00:31 Devastator: Also, I think it was 43 hours to beat it.
04:00:40 Devastator: so it's five times better than Dark Souls. ;-p
04:02:34 syv: How is that five times better?
04:02:54 syv: You didn't take 200 hours nor <10 to beat DaS...
04:03:08 MidJag: Still seeing black on my end
04:03:11 Devastator: ..yeah it was <10, didn't we find that out?
04:03:23 Devastator: looks fine on mine.
04:03:35 Devastator: maybe I forgot again, I'll check after.
04:03:49 syv: Which is a fast clear, but not unreasonably so.
04:04:16 syv: Speedruns which skip almost half the game and use substantial sequence breaks still take about an hour...
04:06:47 syv: Huh, they're actually down to 30m 4s for Any%.
04:07:58 syv: Jesus, 38m45s for Any% with no wrongwarp? I have no clue how *that's* possible. I think it might refer to only a specific wrongwarp.
04:08:37 syv: All bosses is down to 1h4m6s.
04:11:45 MidJag: Oh no. it got all choppy off. So I missed the reveal. Why are there mountains now?
04:11:59 Devastator: It's what is below Lowest Point.
04:12:16 Devastator: The underside of the world.. is an upperside with reversed gravity.
04:13:08 MidJag: Huh, so you fall into the sky or the floor is still the floor?
04:13:16 Devastator: you fall into the sky.
04:14:04 MidJag: Ah. That would be a problem.
04:16:04 MidJag: Huh, so is second sky the last game?
04:16:08 Devastator: Plus there's a few bonus levels that I haven't cracked yet.
04:16:18 Devastator: Yes. From what I've heard the series is over with the Second Sky.
04:16:50 Devastator: Beethro intended to retire after completing King Dugan's Dungeon, which was the first game, and the second and the third came out of his efforts to find all the answers related to that dungeon.
04:18:29 Devastator: In universe he's been at it for about forty years, and most of his old friends are dead or retired now.
04:19:13 Devastator: Also reknown enough to be one of three people who get to charge special rates for dungeon jobs, not guild-agreed rates.
04:19:38 Devastator: and the only one who does it without special equipment.
04:20:04 MidJag: Just a really big sword?
04:20:11 Devastator: (The other two is a guy who invented speed potions, who does it at double-speed), and a guy who has an illegal gun.
04:20:53 MidJag: Heh. Are guns illegal? Or just that guys gun.
04:21:50 Devastator: They're not unknown, but they're illegal in the country Beethro's from, and a close-held secret of the Architect's Guild.
04:22:22 MidJag: and what are architects in this game?
04:24:37 Devastator: guys who build dungeons who aren't part of the evil underground empire.
04:24:46 Devastator: they're important because of the Onesuary Floods.
04:25:26 Devastator: Every Onesuary, the seasons go from the coldest time of the year to the hottest time of the year, and all the snow and ice melts at once. And falls down through the world to fall again from above.
04:25:35 Devastator: although nobody actually knows that part of it.
04:26:06 Devastator: so there's huge floods which mean everyone is basically stuck on big mountains or underground.
04:26:56 MidJag: Wait why does it not flood thr underground? Like does the water flow off the side or somethnig?
04:28:24 Devastator: It does, but the underground empire has channels for it.
04:29:18 MidJag: This world sounds strange but intresting.
04:30:29 Devastator: It's the pie-slice world I've described, where crossing west wraps you around to the east.
04:30:59 MidJag: Like a mobius strip almost.
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04:35:38 MJ: Ugh. This chair is in the worst wifi spot.
04:40:08 MidJag: There is exactlly one chair in this hhouse thats comfy to sit in for long peroids of time with my shoulder. And it is this gigantic recliner I recovered from chest surgery in.
04:40:24 Devastator: The woundede Jaguar.
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04:44:32 MidJag: Indeed. Man that chest surgery was a long fucking recovery. Its literally the only reason I 100% the Witcher 3.
04:46:21 MidJag: Which is still the best game I've ever played.
04:46:48 Devastator: well, should give D.R.O.D. a try, then. ;-p
04:47:08 MidJag: I honestlly suck at puzzles.
04:47:34 Devastator: It's not like any puzzle I've ever played, to be honest.
04:48:41 Devastator: something about it.
04:54:58 MidJag: oh fuck. Adult swim cancelled venture bros :(
04:59:21 MidJag: That was a dammened good show
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05:07:44 Devastator: "and a supply of eating gold."
05:08:34 MidJag: Essentially it started out as a parody of old hannah barbarar adventure shows like Johhny Quest. And its premise is, what kind of person would johhny quest grow up to be.
05:09:30 Devastator: The Man of Bronze. Or a supervillain. Or an accountant.
05:11:29 MidJag: Think accountant mixed with supervillian, but still wants to be a hero.
05:15:02 MidJag: God it was a great show very clever writing and this great organic plot.
05:16:36 MidJag: But the bodygaurd is this pyschotic badass who is just fantastic.
05:19:47 Devastator: what kind of badass?
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05:21:55 syv: Watched the all bosses DaS speedrun.
05:23:13 syv: And his route through the game is just... drunken. Standard speedrun thing where any major traveling is done through bugs and sequence breaks, but he ties sequence breaks in to the route *really* well, and it just ends up being ridiculously chaotic
05:24:44 Devastator: yeah, 71 hours. Must have remembered under 80 hours, not 8.
05:24:48 Devastator: checked my DS clear time.
05:25:09 Devastator: oh well, first clear, keyboard only, no shield. ;-p
05:25:48 er: I removed my beard and substantially shortened my hair
05:26:15 er: Because at some point I have to back up my chaotic alignment
05:26:38 syv: Beards are definitely Lawful.
05:27:01 er: I felt bad, and something needed to change, so I started with the scissors
05:28:29 MidJag: I haven't actually shaved since my surgery, but it's been a month since I shaved and I still look more like I forgot to shave in the morning then havong a beard.
05:29:26 syv: I feel sorry for you, Jaguar.
05:29:36 syv: A clean-shaven feline is just *wrong*
05:29:48 MidJag: I'm an elf. we don't grow beards.
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05:30:28 MidJag: Turns out my beard is blond.
05:30:44 Devastator_: I have a very red-coloured beard, although my hair is just ordinary dark brown.
05:32:17 MidJag: I'm blond with a blond beard.
05:32:26 Devastator_: you have gone too far.
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05:33:11 er: I always thought
mj would be the golden retriever type
05:36:13 Devastator: "Pray that “Slutty Meatsack” isn’t set as your permanent name."
05:36:29 Devastator: Still best picture was that credit card with <Screaming> and Slutty Meatsack.
05:38:41 er: "there was something bad here, then there was something worse, and then the worse thing left and the bad thing became very tasty."
05:39:13 MidJag: I mean golden retriver is probably not the worst charectirization of me
ER
05:39:35 Devastator: Dammit, I want to talk about update, but not until everyone's finished with it.
05:39:44 Devastator: my proverbial cup runneth over.
05:39:56 Devastator: I should have powered through and finished up k-com.
05:42:42 MidJag: I mean I'm finished with it
05:50:19 Devastator: Ahh, Katia, still Katia.
05:50:25 er: Okay I'll be real, I feel like if I woke up at like 0100 yesterday, did a bunch of things all day, then go to bed at 2100, I should probably sleep for more than 3 hours
05:51:08 MidJag: I would reccomend that
ER
05:51:42 MidJag: Who is this katia? surelly you mean slutty meatbag
05:52:07 syv: "This is time to wake up! I shall now wake up, even though I am exhausted."
05:59:49 Devastator: I wonder if her account is going to get flagged.
05:59:55 Devastator: for making 2/2 skeletons sad.
06:00:03 Devastator: so she'll get the asshole skeletons from now on.
06:00:30 Devastator: If there is, it will happen to Katia.
06:01:18 MidJag: I feel like all the skelies seem pretty chill
06:02:32 MidJag: I mean if I was a skellie in an immortal corporate salesman role I'd be pretty chill.
06:02:43 syv: Thumbs-up snake is adorable.
06:04:39 Devastator: how real are her imaginary friends.
06:04:53 MidJag: I gotta sat the skelie pouring water through himself was great
06:05:15 syv: Gotta lubricate dem bones.
06:06:56 syv: Hmm. The skeleton never called her by that name.
06:07:20 syv: It sucks that it's stuck on the paperwork, but if they never actually *use* any name for her, it's at least ignorable.
06:09:40 MidJag: I dunno, there are worse names then slutty meatbag. I can't think of a lot more but they exsist.
06:09:45 Devastator: It'll come up whenever it'll be embarassing.
06:25:22 Devastator: I wonder what you get for your soul.
06:27:00 Devastator: anything we can make out from the poster?
06:30:19 MidJag: Yes, that I should go to bed.
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06:43:07 Devastator: looking at a guy playing the intro DROD game released between The City Beneath and The Second Sky. Better player than I am, but very sloppy with basic roach-smiting. Some differences in style, too, intriguing.
06:46:01 Devastator: some more challenging scenarios and he just breezes through them, however.
06:48:51 syv: Is roach smiting unimportant?
06:49:17 syv: Wonder if it's an effect where sloppy play doesn't really matter, so just doesn't care to do a good job on it.
07:28:40 Devastator: it's considered unimportant in the current level design theory.
07:29:55 Devastator: but it's also the most distinct game feature. Other than that there's basically a huge pile of puzzle elements.
07:31:06 Devastator: basically the current theory is that if you can kill five roaches you can kill 800.
07:31:27 Devastator: which is mostly true, but you can have stuff like roaches coming at you from behind while you manipulate stuff on the other side of the level with your positioning.
07:31:37 Devastator: so you have to figure out some fast footwork.
07:32:53 Devastator: if you mean roach-slaying in general, it's best learned in practice. Basically all roaches will beeline towards you in a simple, but dumb, way, and you can either move in any direction or swing your sword 45 degrees every move.
07:34:04 Devastator: oh my god, they're showing the guy the bastabbing tutorial, where you kill a roach to your right with your sword facing up by stepping down-right. And he doesn't know how to do it!
07:35:25 Devastator: well, this isn't quite that, but this is almost that. The solution is to put sword diagonal up and step to kill the roach on either side.
07:36:44 Devastator: This is roach slaying 102, basically, it's what they teach you on the second level of the first game.
07:37:41 syv: Well, he figured it out eventually.
07:37:49 syv: That does seem pretty obvious, though.
07:38:04 syv: And you say you're a worse player than him?
07:38:13 Devastator: I can roach slay better than him.
07:38:23 Devastator: but he's better than I am for actually difficult levels.
07:39:47 Devastator: for this game that doesn't matter much, because this is supposed to be really easy compared to the latest one.
07:40:55 Devastator: ugh, and then he embarasses himself with the next room, because he can't figure out to do what he just did in reverse.
07:42:22 syv: Yeah, I was just about to comment on that.
07:42:28 syv: That was unpleasant to watch.
07:43:12 Devastator: that said, you do do stuff like that when playing sometimes.
07:44:17 Devastator: the raft-and-arrows puzzle is a novelty. That's a new feature.
07:47:14 syv: Can you link a bit where he's actually being impressive?
07:54:24 Devastator: same video, the areas starting at three minutes or so.
07:54:32 Devastator: those guys are more difficult than he makes them look.
08:01:50 syv: That... still doesn't look too difficult. Especially if he's fought them before.
08:03:04 Devastator: Fine, fine, I'll go find somewhen.
08:13:07 Devastator: yeah, these levels are so bullshit it's difficult to express how fucking hard this stuff is.
08:19:27 syv: Yeah, that fiest one was definitely something.
08:23:38 Devastator: and I'm going to buy that game, and am going to have to face stuff like this.
08:30:16 syv: I should record the roller coast HARD race map, snip it into a clean run 'cause I am *not* onelifing that, and show you what it looks like.
08:31:20 Devastator: yeah, that game is also hella impressive.
08:31:28 syv: There are a lot of spiderman races where they're basically puzzles where you have to figure out how in the world you can *move* in the correct pattern, and *then* you need to have perfect reflexes and timing on top of that.
08:31:38 Devastator: my net basically doesn't work.
08:31:49 Devastator: can you find that guy's TCB playthrough and give me his final time?
08:42:40 syv: Is 1:00:35 one hour and thirty-five seconds, here?
08:52:07 Devastator: Oh, you don't get to see the hold clear time?
08:52:21 Devastator: no way he cleared all 400+ levels in a total of an hour.
08:53:22 syv: I'm guessing that was just session time.
08:53:58 Devastator: can you link me to the final video?
08:54:08 syv: He has six vids called secret hunt before the finale vid, which doesn't actually seem to have the end. 48 vids total. So I'm watching 41 to find the final game time. Looking through credits of it.
08:57:04 Devastator: Beat me by 6.5 hours.
08:57:23 Devastator: although I did find and clear all the secrets, and he only got 17/29.
08:58:23 Devastator: that isn't 6.5 hours of puzzling there, though. 12 rooms is about one level, or 3.5 hours, given the secrets are generally harder than normal levels.
08:58:35 Devastator: so he beat me by about 7-8% in terms of time used.
08:59:03 syv: Looks like the seven extra videos took about five hours between them.
08:59:59 syv: Also, he ends with 100% explored, not 100% solved.
09:00:01 Devastator: Undercity doesn't count.
09:00:21 syv: Six of the seven are called "secret hunt".
09:00:38 Devastator: Nah, that's a thing about the bonus level, it counts for exploration, not solved. If he got to the bonus level it means he got all the secrets on his secret hunt.
09:02:32 Devastator: There's a barrier there that only drops upon Hold Mastery, which means you got all the secret rooms.
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11:46:50 syv: Good morning to you too, Eggo.
11:46:56 syv: How does this morning find you?
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11:53:24 syv: It finds you bouncy, I suppose.
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12:52:48 syv: Hope you're having an okay time of it.
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14:19:24 Elasticly_Rigid: Want to talk about anything,
syv?
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14:19:51 syv: I wouldn't mind, I don't think.
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15:01:07 Elasticly_Rigid: Stoopid phone wifi
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16:16:15 Elasticly_Rigid: There's really no difference between a serrated knife and a tiny saw
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16:46:56 syv: (
Elasticly_Rigid) I have sushi
16:47:28 syv: Oh, damn it, I had sushi with
MJ when I visited *him*. He disliked it, somehow. I shoulda had sushi with you, too.
16:48:22 syv: And yes, you are basically correct, saws are basically just big knives.
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17:03:52 Elasticly_Rigid: Raw fish raw fish
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