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00:44:35 Devastator: well, back to freespace 2.
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00:46:56 IronyOwl: ey
Dev I know you can't hear me, but I can't see anything
00:47:23 IronyOwl: who can hear
Dev's stream but not see it
00:52:00 IronyOwl: well that's bizarre, I rejoined and I can see
Dev's cursor but still nothing else
00:52:29 IronyOwl: who knew streaming 20 year old games was so complicated? :p
00:53:18 Devastator: ok, checking something.
00:54:14 ER: wow,
dev's playing a game that's younger than me
00:54:16 IronyOwl: I could see some kind of "broadcaster" window over the game before
00:54:31 Devastator: did the view vanish when I clicked on the main screen?
00:54:49 IronyOwl: and like I said, I can still see your cursor for some bizarre reason
00:55:51 ER: hmm, he's not on my twitch list
00:56:07 IronyOwl: you have a twitch list?
00:56:45 ER: I follow like, fifty channels on twitch and just open the page listing which ones are live when I wanna relax and watch televison :v
00:58:18 ER: laggy. can see the top of IRC
00:58:52 ER: game's pretty loud compared to the
dev
00:59:27 Devastator: yeah, just fixing something so the mouse works.
01:00:37 IronyOwl: back to not being able to see anything
01:04:42 ER: yup yer screen's black,
dev
01:09:06 ER: since tric didn't post you should just let me murder them for materials
01:09:55 Devastator: I'll try once more.
01:09:57 Devastator: starting again now.
01:10:30 ER: did you ever play any metal gear solid games,
dev?
01:11:25 Devastator: did it work that time, or is it a black screen again?
01:14:44 IronyOwl: I really liked the first metal gear solid, but the second one got real weird
01:14:49 IronyOwl: from what I hear this was a continuing trend
01:15:41 ER: actually I played all the ones directed by kojima except for 1
01:23:35 IronyOwl: it hasn't vanished, but I can't see the whole screen
01:25:55 Devastator: okay, that should be it, then.
01:27:27 Devastator: caught up to the mission I was on yesterday.
01:28:44 IronyOwl: oh no, are you back to the immortal freighter mission?
01:31:38 IronyOwl: can't call for repairs to get your comms repaired
01:39:07 Devastator: anyway, DONE that freighter mission.
01:54:41 Devastator: failure is apparently an option.
02:08:46 Devastator: string of missions that involve failure now.
02:10:50 IronyOwl: playing as a bomber sounds different, at least
02:15:46 IronyOwl: yeah, that's why I said different
02:15:58 IronyOwl: I wanted to say interesting, but I assume it'd be less interesting than a fighter
02:23:40 IronyOwl: yeah, another "sounds interesting but kinda works the other way"
02:24:15 IronyOwl: "they don't believe in inventing new technology! we're going to out-tech them, haha!"
02:24:39 Devastator: yeah, they have new stuff.
02:24:43 Devastator: hell, we've seen new fighters.
02:24:51 Devastator: and their new fighters are better than their old ones.
02:25:14 Devastator: Ahh, new unit, the 242nd Suicide Kings.
02:25:52 IronyOwl: bit of an ominous name
02:37:50 IronyOwl: where did the rebels come from/what do they want?
02:38:07 IronyOwl: do we know or are they just a thin excuse to fight alliance tech and break up the shivan thing?
02:39:50 IronyOwl: what an obnoxious sounding escort/defense quest
02:44:02 IronyOwl: ngl that makes more sense than I'd expect
02:44:12 IronyOwl: usually you get some absolute jank somewhere
02:50:59 IronyOwl: I was actually gonna say, 45 cannons doesn't sound all that great for 6km long
02:51:47 IronyOwl: good lord, what is this
02:55:28 ER: well, kaz said he'd update once a month lest the hatmster lose one of his hats, and so somebody made a timer
02:55:45 ER: it's been very nearly a month since last update
02:57:55 Devastator: Is everything okay with the sound levels and all that?
02:58:19 IronyOwl: yeah, though I think it's delayed by a second or two
02:58:42 IronyOwl: I can see things here before I hear you clackclacking them
03:11:02 IronyOwl: guess ramming enemy vessels isn't the optimal interception strategy
03:22:02 Devastator: Gimme five and I'll restart it, just need a moment of a break.
03:22:05 Devastator: and to look at that link.
03:25:42 Devastator: does hamster currently have any hats?
03:52:36 Devastator:
IronyOwl, going to restart it.
03:52:45 Devastator: will dick about a bit before flying some more.
03:52:51 ER: hatmster is currently in hat debt :P
04:19:55 Devastator: shoot, did I not start it?
04:19:58 Devastator: well, whoops, missed one mission.
04:19:58 IronyOwl: is there some kind of hat bank or something?
04:20:08 IronyOwl: and yeah, still offline on my end
04:20:15 Devastator: that last one was dicy.
04:20:21 Devastator: next one is the covert ops string.
04:30:15 IronyOwl: are you regularly blowing up cruisers or something now?
04:30:19 IronyOwl: I notice these aren't fighters
04:30:31 IronyOwl: I mean, some of them are fighters
04:30:44 IronyOwl: but a lot of them are big ships with multiple turrets
04:47:43 IronyOwl: what's going on here?
04:47:48 IronyOwl: I appear to have lost track of the story
04:50:10 Devastator: Basically they transferred me over to the anti-rebel front.
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04:55:28 ER: hey owl, have I yelled at you to read the webcomic Unsounded yet?
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04:56:58 Devastator: had to restart my browser after about a week of uptime.
04:57:40 Devastator: The story is basically got moved from one front to another.
04:57:54 Devastator: the rebels had a few successes and exploring the shivan portal got put off.
04:58:05 Devastator: so got brought back, and the mission missed was basically stopping them.
04:58:11 Devastator: then there was the counterattack mission.
04:58:26 Devastator: now, doing the special ops infiltration mission, before we begin the final attack on them.'
04:58:39 Devastator: they want to find out what's up with the weird project that admiral was doing.
04:58:48 Devastator: anyway, I'll get restarted.
04:58:52 IronyOwl: which admiral? the one who had the asteroid ship?
04:59:07 Devastator: that was his ship we were escorting that mission.
04:59:11 IronyOwl: and the allied aliens were doing something shady, attacked your science vessel or something?
04:59:27 IronyOwl:
er... did he defect or are you working together with the rebels, or?
04:59:31 Devastator: The allied aliens were attacking that ship, because they're not on the same page as the Terrans.
05:00:01 Devastator: and no, I'm a rebel infiltrator to find out about that project before we begin the final attacks.
05:00:24 Devastator: It was also suspicious as hell, because they shouldn't have had any way of knowing what was going on.
05:00:36 IronyOwl: you're a double agent posing as a rebel, and thus defending the admiral's ship from the allied aliens
05:00:49 IronyOwl: who aren't on the same page and shouldn't know anything about this, let alone be doing anything about it
05:01:04 IronyOwl: everything's dumb in space
05:01:41 Devastator: yeah. They want to take the shot to kill the admiral.
05:02:40 Devastator: anyway, back to the action.
05:05:00 IronyOwl: are rebel missions scored just like normal ones, as far as medals and such go?
05:05:12 IronyOwl: do you get promoted in the real army for meritous service in the traitor one? XD
05:08:06 IronyOwl: half the rebellion is traitors!
05:08:21 IronyOwl: all really vital positions too!
05:13:56 IronyOwl: does it not save your loadout between tries?
05:17:24 ER: aww, will
syv not show up tonight?
05:24:08 IronyOwl: wow the rebs are terrible at this
05:24:14 IronyOwl: no wonder they're losing
05:24:25 Devastator: It does, but I changed it.
05:24:30 Devastator: to the not shitty fighter.
05:24:45 Devastator: I don't know exactly about the scoring.
05:26:38 IronyOwl: "destroy targets of opportunity" is a very rebel-y objective, though
05:29:57 IronyOwl: do you have a choice in destroying the transport, or is it required to turn on the rebels at that point?
05:30:24 IronyOwl: you do seem to have a fondness for ramming enemy vessels
05:43:01 IronyOwl: admittedly, fun > everything
05:43:07 IronyOwl: you didn't join the navy for the money, after all
05:43:24 IronyOwl: and you certainly didn't go undercover for 14 minutes before murdering an entire enemy fleet because it was tactically sound
05:44:10 IronyOwl: I like the concept but these nebula missions aren't great
05:56:48 IronyOwl: ah yes, prototype weapons to be terrible at everything
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06:10:42 ER: does... Sophia feel like trying to use telepathy to dump all of Isabella's memories on Ada at once would be instant, or take the whole time to experience all that?
06:10:53 ER: is telepathy instant in general? :v
06:14:46 syv: But no, dumping all of that on Ada would be basically impossible and be rather... shocking, if it did happen.
06:15:00 syv: You can try something like that, but between labs please.
06:19:32 syv: Sophia x Ada OTP confirmed
06:20:10 ER: I mean, that is my agenda, yes
06:20:49 ER: I'm obliged to let the cards fall where they may to some extent, but I find that outcome suitable
06:43:51 Devastator: fuck me, I didn't know that!
06:43:56 IronyOwl: that's... kind of bizarre except for the nebula bit
07:18:53 IronyOwl: kinda makes sense that bombers aren't supposed to be good vs fighters
07:19:14 IronyOwl: "bombers can carry more anti-fighter missiles, therefore they're the best interceptors" is the kind of accidental jank I'd expect :p
07:19:22 ER: is
dev done streaming his scp yet, I kinda want to watch dumb anime
07:19:41 IronyOwl: no, he's gearing up for murdering rebels now
07:19:54 IronyOwl: you could try getting him to watch dumb anime anyway, though
07:28:58 syv: I question the purpose of the hatmster.
07:29:25 syv: It seems to be making people extra sad for it when they're already sad over lack of updates.
07:29:34 ER: it doesn't seem to have been effective
07:30:01 ER: but I somewhat applaud people for keeping track of it rather than just letting it be forgotten :P
07:30:44 syv: It's kinda impressive that it only owes two hats.
07:58:52 ER: might I suggest we observe some stoopid futureguns?
07:58:53 Devastator: It's just annoying that there is one true missile and so few things can mount it. ;-p
07:59:05 Devastator: hope it isn't too awful to watch.
07:59:08 Devastator: it's about halfway.
08:01:56 Devastator: I meant my stream not futureguns.
08:02:06 Devastator: don't think I'm up for a watch atm, played way too many videogames today.
08:02:50 Devastator: There's one missile that's long range, is a good seeker, and does pretty high damage.
08:03:00 Devastator: so it's the one true seeker missile.
08:03:10 IronyOwl: stream isn't too bad but probably too long to pay much attention to all the way through
08:03:12 Devastator: there's other fun ones, but they're all less efficient.
08:03:45 ER: there's literally always more entertaining content to watch than
dev <3
08:24:09 ER: hey
syv, time to watch that other dystopic anime?
08:24:35 syv: An episode wouldn't hurt, I suppose.
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08:37:12 syv: "In truth, there is no better place to be"
08:37:55 ER: ~without a premonition, could you tell me where we stand?~
08:38:09 ER: ~I'd hate to lose this light before we land~
08:38:44 ER: that sudden cut away from the song kinda makes me mad
08:41:01 ER: well, I'm glad that death is allowed
08:41:25 syv: Was this the unreliable one with the jackass handler?
08:42:17 ER: "WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THIS NOW FUCK OFF"
08:43:05 syv: "Eh, they're probably the assassins."
08:43:56 ER: I guess she died because of getting shot through the eye? no armor there
08:44:06 syv: "Or another agency. *shrug*"
08:44:08 ER: or are they all just vulnerable to headshots
08:44:19 syv: I think they're just vulnerable to headshots.
08:44:57 syv: This is a rare sane person.
08:46:15 ER: I really can appriciate the "you know those characters? they're dead now"
08:46:25 syv: "Isn't that a boy's name?" "STFU I can name her whatever I like."
08:49:12 syv: "Two people were shot once each... and one of their guns was missing two bullets... She must have shot her attackers!"
08:50:01 syv: "Or all the people you kill."
08:50:19 syv: Didn't check the chamber...
08:54:24 ER: in order to protect our technology, which is not at all flawed
08:54:37 ER: or unethical for that matter
08:55:23 syv: You shoot the dangerous and valuable one first.
08:55:34 syv: No, guy didn't shoot himself in the back of the head.
08:59:04 ER: well, I guess there has to be a chance of this malfunction in verloren, right?
08:59:20 syv: That's gonna be intergrated in, of course.
08:59:35 ER: certain chance of a major break, and a certain chance of instant death from that
08:59:45 syv: Half the game is already looking like it'll be managing the mental state of your murderchild.
09:00:18 syv: Though I think there'll be more variations than just *this* for the results of a bad end.
09:02:58 ER: make sure to include ones which are worse!
09:06:24 syv writes "even as the ki", then backspaces twice and writes "verloren"
09:06:50 syv: Definitely not actual people.
09:11:32 ER: at this rate, actual combat isn't going to be any major factor
09:11:51 ER: I mean, the cyborgs do tend to curbstomp any opposition
09:13:01 syv: That's the anoying thing, yes.
09:13:15 syv: I wanted to make a game that is about CQB combat.
09:13:43 syv: But it is rapidly degenerating back into extreme systematized child abuse.
09:14:05 syv: Oh, one thing though, the Verloren aren't as OP as Fratello cyborgs.
09:14:20 syv: They have a set of possible cyborg upgrades which the handler picks and chooses from.
09:14:29 syv: And adding more adds heavier conditioning.
09:15:14 ER: I can't wait to build an invincible monster and then have it lock me in a dungeon because it loves me too much
09:15:49 syv: Currently the most likely way this game will be run is as a suggestion game.
09:16:01 syv: I also don't think I'll heavily work on it for a few more months.
09:16:16 syv: ...Probably a suggestion game in PMs, as well.
09:30:54 syv: You,
Dev, maybe a smattering of other people.
Paris? I don't know what
Paris' stance on child abuse is.
09:31:15 syv: Maybe invite
Piecewise as the peanut gallery.
09:31:38 syv: Just constantly screaming "STICK YOUR DICK IN IT" while everyone tries to ignore him.
09:31:46 ER: if it's unethical crimes against humanity, I'd bring irony
09:31:59 Devastator: Dunno if you'd want me.
09:32:04 Devastator: I'd probably do it wrong.
09:32:18 ER: but yeah, we'd probably have more fun if we didn't invite any non-sociopaths~
09:32:24 syv: That's precisely why I'd want you,
Dev.
09:32:40 syv: Actually, if you just play a sociopath I'd be irritated.
09:33:15 ER: is there a way to not play a sociopath in this
09:33:53 ER: if the character has any morals she'll be like "nope, not gonna be part of this!"
09:33:54 syv: Most of the NPCs aren't sociopaths.
09:34:07 syv: ...You have a very rosy image of humanity.
09:56:53 ER: I just figure that most people are decent, and intelligence agencies just select for the sociopaths
09:57:40 ER: which isn't to say that your average person isn't horribly broken, but
09:58:24 ER: verloren are hard to justify unless you're already in deep in some way
10:02:03 syv: They're pretty much justified as being rescued from a very bad situation. All of them are supposed to be generated with some kind of reason that they were accepted--generally involving traumatic injury--which gets repaired when they are cyborg'd.
10:02:42 syv: Additionally, there's a rising wave of terrorism and crime going on, and the verloren are seen as an effective way to fight back against it. Needs of the many, essentially.
10:03:12 syv: None of this *excuses* it, but it's good enough for a nationalistic and hardened person to *justify* their actions.
10:04:03 syv: It also is probably possible for you to choose a kid who's in an actual terrible situation, and potentially gets a step up by becoming a verloren.
10:06:34 ER: should be entertaining, regardless
10:12:08 Devastator: the AGP's diplo-adepts is a hell of a character.
10:15:06 Devastator: "Don't worry, if we take them all hostage they'll surely re-open negotiations."
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23:07:31 Devastator: oh god, I fucked up my windows text.
23:12:54 ER: still wanting to write a death plane OP, but also it's intimidating
23:13:12 ER: it involves the flow of mana between planes and stuff
23:13:31 ER: I want to provide reasons to build in multiple different places
23:18:19 Devastator: could do different colours, maybe.
23:18:54 Devastator: or have stuff get hot and need to be balanced.
23:19:19 ER: (Essence) (Bright / Abyssal) Light, Dark, Ordered, Chaotic, Life, Death, Fire, Water, Air, Earth, Metal, Storm
23:20:41 ER: You can freely turn your Essence into whatever mana type you want (except Bright/Abyssal), the void sometimes imparts random mana types on the planes, and planes absorb Bright and Abyssal mana from the spheres.
23:21:43 ER: And mana can be translated into diiferent types via different processes, such as Angels created by deities, or funneled between planes by connections, again created by deieties
23:23:56 Devastator: would I still be able to make my radioactive asteroid?
23:24:37 ER: I think you'd have to worry about things other than material
23:25:41 ER: living things require SOME mana input to live, and not necessarilly meterial energy
23:26:20 ER: so you can probably build things that live off of radiation, but that won't be the primary concern anyways
23:26:59 ER: (you say still, but I'm not sure if I'd let you do that in the first place, it sounded pretty lame, though I don't really remember)
23:27:36 Devastator: it was probably the bees.
23:27:45 Devastator: the radiation was just to not require a bunch of complicated life.
23:28:00 Devastator: it was basically just bees other than that.
23:28:49 Devastator: invade people with a bunch of bees.
23:28:54 Devastator: sail around on the rock.
23:30:11 ER: last time, people created a "stable" ecosystem with like three species, and I didn't like that
23:30:26 ER: part of the point of ambient mana is to shake those things up
23:30:55 ER: get a burst of death mana, it spontainiously generates a plague
23:32:00 Devastator: well, it wouldn't have to be stable, hence the going all over the place.
23:32:11 Devastator: go somewhere to steal whatever is necessary for the beeees.
23:32:25 Devastator: keep chasing the next thing.
23:32:25 ER: same with waitlist actions. Furies are subject to the Laws of Failure, unlike deities, so even if they only try to be helpful for some reason, 1d6 ensures their actions result in fun things
23:33:38 Devastator: it'd just have to be stable enough so the orders aren't a continual stream of 'make new species' every turn.
23:37:43 ER: I'm sure that Furies and Sovereign will also build things, just in an entertainingly chaotic manner :P
23:40:15 ER: after all, it's more fun if your chosen people turn away from you than if they're all thanos deleted and back to square one, right?
23:40:38 Devastator: I don't think I'd be mad at that, provided they still give worship.
23:40:47 Devastator: I'm ok with the bees pirating off undirected.
23:41:39 ER: well no, you need worship to survive, and it's survival game
23:41:55 ER: I *have* to be able to mess with that, or else it's just a sandbox
23:42:21 Devastator: but I'm fine with anything not zero.
23:44:36 Devastator: gonna be enough fuckery from moving about trying to fight people for stuff.
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