00:22:12 ER: someone's making a videogame with the description of "make your beloved beautiful again by hunting squirrels and stapling them to her rotting corpse"
00:22:21 ER: that sounds like a fun gameplay loop
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02:18:26 Devastator: how does that work, lore-wise?
02:20:15 Devastator: I'm trying to grasp a situation made better by stapling dead squirrels to something.
02:20:37 ER: I dunno, all I have on this is one tweet's worth
02:21:12 ER: and that it's by the guy who made the game DUSK
03:45:50 ER: maybe I should try LISA again
03:46:07 ER: played it a long time ago and didn't really like it, but it does seem like a good game
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04:37:32 syv: I wasn't told that I was assigned to work today
04:38:01 syv: Found out 37 minutes ago when the person I relieve texted me asking if I knew
04:38:25 syv: Right at the start of my shift, rather than a halfhour before which is when I always come in
04:39:04 syv: And I stayed up late yesterday because I thought I would be switching to evenings this week. Which has now been changed.
04:39:22 syv: Which is overall positive but I HATE being late
04:40:09 ER: hopefully that annihilates a little bit of pain
04:40:40 syv: I'll fucking read a chapter tonight. Ugh. Not like I'm going to srite anything
04:40:56 syv: Or maybe I should try to wriye. I'm most productive when exhausted and deeply unhappy.
04:41:40 ER: well, life is pain for PS characters, so maybe you just have to project a little
04:41:45 Devastator: better than being texted a half-hour after you were expected to show up!
04:42:00 ER: or you could read chapter 12. that's good too
04:42:15 syv: Honestly I'm lucky insomnia had me up at midnight.
04:42:31 syv: I totally could have slept for a few more hours. Then I'd *really* feel like shit.
04:43:03 syv: I think life is pain for PS characters *because* I project, Eggo.
04:45:32 syv: Yeah. Heh, thanks for sympathy.
04:45:49 Devastator: you gonna be able to stay wake?
04:45:51 syv: Anything you want to do with me? Another night with internet, I guess.
04:45:58 syv: Yrah, I'll be fine. Caffeine.
04:46:29 ER: they just *give* me coffee at my work, it's great
04:46:32 syv: Caffeinated syrup, more. Mountain dew.
04:46:35 Devastator: well, there's more psycho-path.
04:46:53 Devastator: You don't get free coffee at work?
04:46:57 ER: none-a that shit at our store
04:47:33 syv: That actually makes sense but still... yeah, damn.
04:47:45 Devastator: Unless you want to write about little girls who are suffering. And another who is big and fluffy.
04:47:56 Devastator: with delayed suffering.
04:48:32 ER: floof is armor against suffering
04:48:54 syv: Was half expecting myself to have forgotten the mouse or power cord or something.
04:49:25 Devastator: it probably literally is, yes.
04:49:33 Devastator: have fluffy, suffer less.
04:49:51 syv: Can always hug a big fluffy animal at any time for comfort.
04:50:06 Devastator: Won't last forever, but yes.
04:50:12 ER: maybe I could slaughter one fo your spare bodies and make a massive fur coat
04:50:12 Devastator: god, I gotta get a kitten at some point.
04:50:34 Devastator: but that'd be weird.
04:50:41 Devastator: and she might end up paying for that.
04:50:47 syv: I don't think that would work,
ER. Alida's effigies dissipate when no longer maintained.
04:51:05 syv: You could skin her main body and then have her regen the pelt, I guess?
04:51:39 Devastator: I mean painless would probably cover that.
04:51:44 Devastator: but no, I don't think she'd agree to that.
04:52:02 ER: does the body dissipate if you die, are physically removed from the corpse, and then regem?
04:52:34 syv: Unless it's an effigy spare body, since only one is actually real at any given time.
04:52:43 syv: Even though precisely which one is real is fluid.
04:52:49 ER: MC, shoot the brain, pocket the gem, skin the body.
04:53:37 syv: Sophia x Alida yandere OTP
04:54:00 ER: She probably wouldn't do that :P
04:54:02 Devastator: MC will stage up costs quickly.
04:54:56 syv: Alida only has Amatuer purity, so wouldn't do very well against MC III.
04:55:14 syv: It would be affordable enough to get a corpse.
04:55:17 Devastator: no, but it's a permanent effect, IIRC.
04:55:28 Devastator: ie, do it once, next time it'll cost more forever.
04:55:59 syv: Nah, difficulty resets if you retry. Part of why it's a primary.
04:56:37 syv: I *might* make it last a round if it's abused, but it's not a permanent resistance.
04:56:38 Devastator: mmm, that makes it very nice then.
04:57:26 Devastator: would the dissonance of being a wolf make it any harder, or would that be compensated due to working through Alida's mind?
04:57:26 syv: Being able to control a single enemy moe cheaply by dedicating all your turns to controlling it doesn't seem too bad. And mostly witches are too resistant for it to be too abusable on them.
04:57:51 syv: MCing Alida would be based 100% on her Purity stat.
04:57:52 Devastator: and one-turn witch MC isn't that broken, even if you do manage it.
04:58:03 Devastator: there are good powers you can dump on her, but one-round kills still seem to be hard.
04:58:21 Devastator: plus, who knows, familiars might jump on bombs or something.
04:59:10 syv: I recall making a post in
ER OOC about how rarely nukes were actually usable tools on missions.
04:59:28 ER: how many witches could be instagibbed by an AT4?
04:59:42 syv: Like, the rocket launcher? Very few.
04:59:58 Devastator: that was mostly because you could beat nukes in almost all situations with a two-token amp..
05:00:18 ER: if it's very few, probably the same ones as could be taken out by a 9mm
05:00:20 syv: You might have gotten a oneshot kill on Maria. And some weaker types of witches, like... I forget her name, but the testgame horror witch, she had no durability really.
05:00:48 ER: some of them seem to be Bed of Chaos
05:00:53 Devastator: Soul nova seems useful in a good number of situations. Even if you don't kill the witch, destroying a pile of familiars and causing some damage seems to be worth it fairly often.
05:01:54 syv: Oh yes,
Dev. Honestly I considered amps-as-bombs just less reliable nukes. Still, it featured into my post--usually they weren't appropriate tools, and the times we did use them effectively they were generally more making the best of an accident.
05:02:00 ER: also, I realized that none of sophia's powers target anything that's not a creature, except for totem manip
05:02:10 ER: maybing having something like TK would be useful
05:02:33 ER: unless... could I Triage a laceration onto a steel wall to cut it?
05:03:04 syv: I kinda don't want you healing by shifting wounds onto the floor.
05:03:16 Devastator: yeah, I don't think the wall is a creature.
05:03:20 Devastator: but yes, it'd be neat.
05:03:39 syv: Hmm, yeah, no. It metaphysically works off screwing with the soul, so it can't do anything to soulless materials.
05:03:54 Devastator: just need a wall that has a soul.
05:04:03 syv: There's more stuff in labyrinth than you'd expect which qualify, but most of the architecture doesn't.
05:04:53 ER: honestly, there might have been times in
ER where it would have been more optimal to use a nuke than an amp, but we used the amp because people like to be psychers
05:05:40 syv: Also, amps had setting below "fuck everything".
05:05:57 ER: I can tell you that my character wasn't built for Exo because I thought that was optimal, but because wizards are coooool
05:07:00 Devastator: Yes, wizards be cool.
05:07:06 ER: is there a way to give inanimate objects a soul?
05:07:15 ER: maybe if I combo TK with Incite...
05:07:58 ER: make door into angry soul door, cut it open by yeeting a wound into it
05:08:45 syv: I'm sure there is. But that might be more the domain of creativity.
05:09:14 ER: for that matter, trying to combo together Incite and Inner Monster could be...! Extistintially terrifying!
05:09:16 Devastator: mental creativity or Creativity creativity?
05:09:53 syv: Actually... thinking about it, Love is probably the most likely class for it. They actually create a separate realized soul that isn't a part of themselves.
05:10:00 ER: which could be interpreted as "turn target into a witch"
05:10:23 syv: The class,
Dev, though you'd absolutely need to be mentally creative as well.
05:11:25 ER: hey
syv, are NPC MGs every likely to be a thing, outside memories?
05:11:44 syv: But yeah, Creatives create offsprings, but those are more like beacons that they can transpose their souls onto. Mimicry might create partially independant minds, but that's more like giving yourself multiple personality disorder. Pures have Inner Monster, but that's still an extension of the self.
05:12:06 syv: Loves create another person with their own thoughts and decision making, even if they're loyal.
05:12:16 Devastator: Trying to think of a way to use someone else's IM.
05:12:28 syv: And she went off to meet another.
05:12:47 Devastator: and no extorting more wishes out of them, right? ;-p
05:12:59 ER: ...I forgot to every ask pumsy about Hannah. oh well.
05:13:04 syv: They're having their own adventures which will collide with yours eventually, earlier if you hunt them down.
05:13:41 syv: Eh, can ask after this Lab. Not like you can do anything before that, anyway.
05:14:21 ER: but if I die now my knowledge is lost forever! ;p
05:14:59 ER: actually, can I just pass the experince of those memories directly to Ada using telepathy?
05:15:00 Devastator: Not if you witch out.
05:15:04 Devastator: then someone might find it eventually.
05:15:37 syv: I'm sure you can do *something*, considering you have incite and MC.
05:16:22 Devastator: incite, MC, memento..
05:16:29 Devastator: can you summon someone else's inner witch? ;-p
05:16:33 ER: just use Incite to literally physically force her to empathize with me...
05:16:47 syv: ...I really like the symbolism of Isabella destroying Hannah's book with Sharon's claw.
05:17:08 syv: You don't want your knowledge to be lost forever?
05:17:20 syv: Don't give it to someone who's going to jam their head in the sand.
05:20:06 syv: Lemme check, maybe I'm remembering deleted scenes.
05:20:45 ER: I think the book was destroyed, but my memory's not great and I don't think I picked up enough infromation to understand the meaning
05:21:43 ER: I guess I might have to ask about Hiemdal (is that the spelling?) Unless Pumsy doesn't magically remember every single MG in the history of ever, in which case welp
05:22:20 ER: I guess I know that he doesn't forget them instantly
05:23:11 syv: Heimdall is a random norse god.
05:23:21 syv: Which... isn't relevant to PS?
05:23:43 ER: coulda sworn... it started with an H
05:24:03 syv: Hildegaard, I think? Something like that. The one that they were debating the memories of.
05:24:04 ER: Heimdal must give me at least 50% odds with that, righ?
05:24:36 ER: now, why'd ya not just name her Hilda, would be much easier ;p
05:24:59 syv: Because that's an accurate spelling to the timeframe she was from, IIRC.
05:27:15 Devastator: "Who was the first magical girl, Pumsy?"
05:29:14 syv: Apparently I named the witch, which I forgot. Also, I forgot Isabella was stated to *steal* the book, I had remembered it as Hannah giving it away.
05:29:38 syv: Apparently it takes two years for me to stop hating my writing and gain the ability to actually like it.
05:30:16 Devastator: hope, there is hope.
05:30:23 Devastator: interesting thought, that.
05:31:03 Devastator: how long does it take to like your own writing.
05:33:10 ER: ah, the book's a totem, too
05:33:40 syv: Yeah. One of the other memories has Hannah starting out, and expressing dismay at her totem being useless.
05:33:53 syv: Sharon suggests using it to record knowledge.
05:34:12 Devastator: Hannah had a book, right?
05:34:34 Devastator: that does seem not terribly useful.
05:34:44 Devastator: worse stuff than a book, though.
05:35:01 Devastator: I mean, it sounds like you can have ANY book.
05:35:37 syv: She gets her book(s). And that's *it*.
05:36:58 ER: well, there's still really nothing in that chunk which would clue me into that interpretation of her destroying the book
05:36:59 syv: Nope. Unless she summons more, I forget if I gave her TM III. Probably not.
05:37:12 syv: It symbolizes destroying knowledge.
05:37:35 syv: Sharon was a violent person who lived for aggression and thrills, and was constantly in the moment.
05:37:39 Devastator: Mmm, so could make people forget things?
05:37:47 Devastator: write them down and they're consigned to oblivion?
05:37:47 syv: Hannah was a thoughtful closed introvert.
05:38:19 syv: Totems symbolize their users, and Isabella held both, comparing them. Then she used one to destroy the other, implicitly choosing that one over the other.
05:38:59 syv: Symbolism. Also known as author wanking.
05:39:27 ER: well obs, she didn't have any innocence powers :P
05:39:39 Devastator: Alida's club is symbolism of feeding people through violence.
05:40:47 syv: Cursed innocence, no ability to see symbolism~
05:41:37 Devastator: tbh, that was mostly fanwank for a blunt weapon. ;-p
05:44:19 syv: Hum, skilled joy and skilled creativity.
05:44:39 syv: ...I'd debate skilled joy being appropriate for a former slave, but then it really is for Sophia.
05:44:50 ER: always have a skilled or higher in one of joy or bravery
05:45:06 Devastator: sophia enjoys hurting people?
05:46:15 syv: She's ridiculously emotionally resilient.
05:49:07 ER: guess why I picked up Painless 1 rather than Berserker 1...
05:51:11 syv: Because you're playing a control class that broadly relies on other people dealing damage for you, thus making Berserker fairly minor?
05:51:51 ER: but I also happen to love passive abilities
05:52:39 ER: but just being injured enough to make use of Serk would probably knock me out of the fight
05:53:03 ER: unless I also used Painless, and it was a choice BETWEEN painless and berserk
05:53:32 ER: and also Painless mostly covers the important use of one of my worst skills
05:54:07 Devastator: also maybe painless 1 has more utility than berzerk 1.
05:54:13 syv: Very competent munchkinnery there~
05:54:18 ER: so should we watch PSHYCHOPASS?
05:56:41 syv:
ER, wanna play Necrodancer while we wait?
05:57:16 Devastator: just like 10 minutes.
06:07:01 syv: We're doijg way better than bdfore
06:07:37 ER: good thing we got the easier boss ;p
06:07:50 syv: I hav3 a gold rapier and a charging ring
06:08:14 ER: I could end the stream and just leave the game open while we watch
06:10:32 ER: sparkles? time for magical girls!
06:10:56 syv: This is definitely a labyrinth
06:11:43 syv: Why would you do that to your avatar's hands?
06:11:55 Devastator: she became too anime.
06:12:04 Devastator: does her anime-avatar have SMALLER eyes?
06:12:37 Devastator: It's gotta be some kind of breeding program. ;-p
06:13:47 syv: The fanservice here bugs me a little.
06:13:58 syv: Not nearly as much as the stuff in Overlord, but still.
06:14:02 Devastator: there is always fanservice.
06:14:03 ER: rhyming an english word with a japanese word, huh
06:15:35 syv: "You can't understand us. If you did, you'd be a terrible person too."
06:16:37 syv: "This guy doesn't use his toilet. Better call the cops!"
06:16:39 ER: "this guy is too depressed to complain about his toilet. let's get em!"
06:20:13 ER: maybe it's just an avatar used by a bunch of people
06:20:31 Devastator: be hard to keep a consistant show going.
06:21:30 Devastator: a detective has a dime?
06:23:05 ER: presumably she hears everything that's said in her own room :P
06:24:59 Devastator: mmm, fishing for a source.
06:25:08 Devastator: get some hot intel.
06:26:40 ER: also, glad that the main character is finally being useful :P
06:26:44 syv: I feel like police would actively monitor places like this.
06:27:21 Devastator: aren't they doing exactly that?
06:27:24 Devastator: besides, low manpower.
06:27:33 Devastator: there's what, eight cops for ten million people?
06:27:34 syv: Yes, but only because they expect someone here.
06:28:13 ER: your fancy future guns can be detected
06:28:49 Devastator: That'd.. probably be hard to prevent.
06:28:59 Devastator: JUST SHOOT THEM ALL
06:29:11 syv: Move in! Don't guard the one exit!
06:29:20 syv: Also, called it, totally full of--
06:29:32 Devastator: have a fucking drone there at least.
06:29:45 Devastator: and an id scanner to get a list of people.
06:31:15 ER: why dress up like that when nobody's gonna see your real self
06:32:05 syv: Maybe it's actually getting into a cohesive plot now.
06:32:15 syv: They do seem to be dealing with a group now.
06:33:00 Devastator: wasn't he in the intro?
06:33:00 ER: "I wish that there was a punishment for evil"
06:34:47 Devastator: from someone not-me? That's a rarity.
06:34:49 syv: Hum, you know, tonight would've been a better night for a movie.
06:34:58 Devastator: well, could do a movie.
06:35:01 Devastator: downloaded those two.
06:36:17 Devastator: wait, english signs is commentary from someone.
06:36:50 syv: There's two sub tracks for me
06:36:58 syv: English [Full] and Track 2.
06:37:00 ER: one of them didn't show anything
06:37:31 syv: Yes, it's some chick and guy talking
06:37:39 syv: With the show quiet in the background.
06:38:12 syv: As tempted as I am to listen instead of the show, swapped back.
06:39:27 ER: hmm, maybe they'ree replacing internet influencers with an AI?
06:41:12 ER: and the fact he knows it by heart makes him a laten criminal?
06:41:59 syv: Philosophy tends to make latent criminals, I imagine.
06:42:08 Devastator: can't have that thinking.
06:43:51 Devastator: he's got too emo hair to die like that.
06:45:01 Devastator: I prefer pressing E to not die.
06:45:11 Devastator: dammit, I used to remember where that started.
06:45:27 syv: Yahtzee started press X to not die.
06:45:35 syv: CoD started F to pay respects.
06:46:14 syv: At this point, it seems like an AI is a good guess.
06:47:37 ER: still not used to japanese voice actors seriously saying "spookie boogie"
06:47:50 syv: The eng actors are decent with it.
06:50:52 ER: ladies and gentlemen, we gottem
06:50:58 Devastator: and this guy looks exactly generic enough to be a murderer.
06:51:07 syv: His anonymity practices suck.
06:51:37 Devastator: yeah, should have swapped avatars as soon as he decided to kill someone.
06:52:20 syv: You know, this is pretty obvious.
06:52:51 syv: Using the constant holograms everywhrre as a smoke screen.
06:52:59 Devastator: yeah, that's a solid idea.
06:53:16 ER: he's higher than robot dude?
06:53:23 Devastator: higher than the clouds.
06:53:26 syv: Yes. Robodude was only 265.
06:53:36 Devastator: wonder what the high score is.
06:53:58 syv: Tourniquetted himself fast.
06:54:24 Devastator: Probably not the first time he's been shot.
06:54:36 syv: Presumably 5he first time he's LOST AN ARM.
06:54:49 Devastator: I don't know, they have robo-arms.
06:55:15 Devastator: god literary references.
06:55:31 Devastator: white hair has to die now.
06:56:22 Devastator: Too boring to live.
06:56:54 ER: that lethal eliminator is an... interesting way to kill people
06:57:11 Devastator: doesn't seem to overpenetrate at all, at least.
06:57:39 syv: Pretty nice gore, a lot of people explode.
06:58:08 syv: Plot is dumb, but pretty crunchy dumb at times. The philosophy tract the author goes on at the end is kinda hilarious.
06:58:36 ER: of course they're former inspectors
06:58:57 ER: that's you in a few years, rookie
06:59:24 syv: Smileboy obviously isn't, but that guy and trenchcoat guy are so obviously former investigators.
06:59:24 ER: gotta spell things out for people who don't think good~
06:59:49 ER: smileboy's just a child soldier~
07:00:12 Devastator: smileboy's still an inspector.
07:00:23 Devastator: or did you mean protagboy?
07:00:37 ER: I'm partly in this just to see how high the settings on those guns go
07:00:58 ER: the plasma gun that killed those bots isn't the highest hopefully
07:01:09 syv: Jap pronunciation is indeed amusing.
07:02:08 ER: he said that he was a latent criminal with no hope of rehabilitation when he was 5 years old
07:02:37 syv: This commentary seems to have nothing to do with the show whatsoever.
07:03:07 syv: Oh, they interrupt their random nonsense to say the credits started.
07:03:23 syv: Then say thanks for listening, and comment that they didn't discuss the show at all.
07:03:27 ER: so they're us, except they recorded it
07:03:51 syv: They also seem to be unrelated to the show, they said "make them make more [of Psycho-pass]!"
07:04:21 Devastator: ..maybe it doesn't end.
07:04:24 ER: and they also seem to be on only one of the episodes
07:04:40 syv: They signed off at the end and gave their names just before time ran out.
07:05:17 ER: so they're a podcast which appears in random episodes in random torrents
07:05:21 syv: Might google them later, it's just strange enough.
07:07:04 Devastator: rather chat than watch more.
07:08:48 Devastator: another thing for ekrov.
07:08:50 syv: This is pretty similar to GG in setting. More tech, more anime.
07:09:12 syv: Nah, he doesn't need a hound. He likes books.
07:09:42 ER: I should spontainiously generate a bird that can talk just like a human
07:10:16 syv: "Saeko finds a parrot that only knows how to say 'help me'. "
07:11:34 Devastator: god, more literature.
07:12:45 syv: He who you're calling protagboy,
Dev?
07:13:04 Devastator: Protagboy is the tall guy who looks like the lead from Cowboy Bebop.
07:13:29 syv: Not the guy with the robot hand, right?
07:13:37 Devastator: no, that's trenchcoat.
07:13:52 syv: Okay, yeah. The guy that's definitely a secondary protagonist.
07:13:53 Devastator: there's trenchcoat, the boring guy, the protag, and smileboy.
07:14:17 Devastator: the other inspector.
07:14:22 syv: Ahh, yeah, forgot about him.
07:14:46 Devastator: yes, not much character for her, other than she's having sex with blondie.
07:15:12 Devastator: if she has IS it would explain why she's unflappable.
07:15:17 Devastator: and can't get drunk.
07:15:27 syv: She's far from unflappable.
07:15:36 Devastator: I mean her sanity reading.
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07:16:24 syv: Yep, her one trait is being a pervert.
07:16:32 syv: And looking totally bored.
07:16:42 MidJag: eh, tired stressed. Pretty usual MCAT studying mood.
07:16:45 Devastator: So is this just going to be all about crime in a dystopia without any emphasis on the dystopia? I could liek that.
07:17:25 syv: Yeah, this is just a less serious/realistic Gunslinger Girl in that way.
07:17:36 syv: Definitely a dystopia, but that doesn't really seem to be the point.
07:17:37 MidJag: Mmm, written by Urbutcher.
07:18:05 Devastator: that was more bittersweet.
07:18:21 MidJag: bittersweet is a good word for PM3.
07:18:22 syv: It was totally sad. Bad for the universe, they fucked up the utility monster racket.
07:18:48 MidJag: Yeah, but like they didn't nessicarilly doom the world because Pink is Jesus
07:18:48 Devastator: there was a good point, though, no being forced to eventually hurt people.
07:19:40 Devastator: at the end of ep 12, Homura just says 'Not good enough' and reverses during the space hug scene. Or while on the moon.
07:19:48 syv: "She's pretty... she's intelligent... uhhh...."
07:20:23 MidJag: Do you really need more than pretty intellegent and not a complete dick?
07:20:26 Devastator: Yes, not creepy at all.
07:20:32 Devastator: no, I think we have dickish.
07:21:14 Devastator: yeah, she's a murderer.
07:21:59 Devastator: Probably all kinds of funky relationships you can have with that.
07:23:10 Devastator: I wonder if the system is utilarian enough to allow a certain amount of crime to exist just so millions of people can enjoy the fucked-up nature of it.
07:23:51 Devastator: So that guy did live.
07:23:51 syv: Nah, they're way past utilitarianism.
07:24:26 syv: Need >300 to get an automatic field execution.
07:24:58 ER: I wonder if it's basically encouraged to kill anyone with over 300 if you like, bump into them in the street
07:25:09 Devastator: I'm pretty sure, yeah.
07:25:11 MidJag: So there are crime points?
07:25:21 MidJag: Or social credit score as the chinese call them?
07:25:23 Devastator: Go over 100 and the cops get to shoot you.
07:25:24 syv: Yes. Called a "crime coefficient".
07:25:41 syv: And yes, this is set in China, according to
Dev's ability to tell the ethnicity of ads.
07:26:05 Devastator: maybe that was just the first episode.
07:26:18 Devastator: that's not a chinese school.
07:26:36 syv: Do Japanese realize there's other school systems?
07:26:38 ER: if an enforcer happens to go over 300 though, od they just shoot em?
07:26:39 Devastator: Plus all the writing is japanese now.
07:26:47 syv: No, some of them are over 300 I think?
07:26:57 syv: It's just allowed, not necessary.
07:27:02 Devastator: Don't know. I'm not sure what protag guy reads.
07:27:06 Devastator: he's probably pretty high.
07:27:07 MidJag: What does 300 crime points do?
07:27:19 Devastator: You can't stun them. Automatic execution.
07:27:32 syv: Yea. they have mindreading guns.
07:27:58 syv: Not really, it's just dumb.
07:28:08 Devastator: that's fairly elaborate.
07:28:26 syv: Cops have guns which scan your mind and upload the results to the internet. Within a few seconds the internet tells the gun whether it can shoot them. If it can, it turns off the safety.
07:28:39 syv: If they don't have internet connection, their guns are fully disabled.
07:29:03 Devastator: also biometric locks.
07:29:08 MidJag: so what I'm hearong os a wifi jammer and meele weapons.
07:29:20 syv: That literally happens in the third episode.
07:29:48 ER: though they also happen to be fucking powerful
07:30:00 syv: Yeah so I didn't really follow that so much.
07:30:13 Devastator: evil schoolgirl is killing people.
07:30:13 syv: Depraved lesbian schoolgirl murders people and turns their bodies into art.
07:30:16 Devastator: white hair is her teacher.
07:30:23 syv: Rest of the plot was kinda just vooooo
07:30:42 Devastator: rest are talking about how the art is this weird plastic thing, and the current crimes are like the old case protag guy was working on.
07:30:44 MidJag: Hey I mean who doesn't go through that phase :P
07:30:54 ER: white hair dude gives tools to murderers
07:31:12 Devastator: yeah, all 'hey, you want to murder? Here's how to do it.'
07:31:23 syv: They name which chars they play at the start of E05, but I don't recognize the names.
07:32:19 syv: The dude is apparently a fan, and only because he loves the style of the show.
07:32:48 Devastator: I could get behind weird dystopia crime, but this isn't PM3.
07:32:56 Devastator: better than magica record though.
07:33:14 Devastator: I do find myself caring about the characters. And remembering them.
07:33:28 ER: grimgar will probably be entertaining, but won't mind watching all of this
07:34:00 syv: Shion, Kagaree, and Kunisika.
07:34:31 syv: Shion is the hacker chick, I think. Her voice changes the least.
07:43:18 MidJag: I should probably go to bed. Night gents
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07:47:43 syv: Necrodancer MP is really fun and chaotic.
07:48:15 Devastator: oonz oonz oonz oonz
07:50:53 Devastator: how well do you usually do?
07:53:07 syv: I think both of us normally do much better.
07:53:27 syv: We've been usually dying on the first floor together.
07:53:35 syv: Aaaand that was a death in world 2.
07:55:17 syv: You'd think having a second player who respawns if you get to the stairs would make the game easier.
07:55:41 syv: But no, just like dancing with a partner, we spend half the time stepping on each others' feet and throwing daggers at each other.
07:55:48 ER: it really is left at about the same difficulty :P
07:56:31 ER: what you gain in power, you also gain in ungainly antisynergy
07:57:09 Devastator: how does it compare to cooking?
08:01:00 ER: does the second co-op character in multiplayer have a name?
08:01:30 syv: Though "Black Cadence" is... perhaps not ideal.
08:01:42 ER: that's what I was thinking ::P
08:01:56 syv: It's much different from cooking. The best strategy is mostly to stay out of each others' ways, really.
08:02:07 syv: And stuff happens too fast to coordinate... for the most part.
08:02:18 syv: Most fights last a couple seconds at most.
08:06:01 ER: wonder if Melody and Aria have alt skins if you double up on them, too
08:06:27 syv: I unlocked the co-op win with double Melody, she looks the same...
08:08:39 syv: I don't think I've ever beaten even one world with Aria.
08:08:49 syv: Which is a pity, since her remixs are amazing.
08:08:52 ER: I think I might have beaten a boss
08:09:19 ER: if the boss is conga though, instant death
08:10:00 syv: Yep, double melody looks identical.
08:10:02 ER: also, that album cover makes grandma look exactly as badass as any player who can actually player her without dying consantly
08:10:18 syv: Maybe we should do co-op with alt chars next time.
08:10:35 syv: You don't have amplified, right? I could host, and you could play the--
08:10:50 ER: because the first few seconds of 4-1 is good~
08:13:39 ER: have you ever managed to pick up a weapon other than dagger with aria?
08:13:58 ER: you die instantly from "cowardence", according to the death screen
08:14:31 ER: I think I tried a transmute
08:19:35 syv: Egan: Magic bolt action gun which has magic that automatically operates the bolt, y/n?
08:20:38 ER: not as cool as someone manually cycling the bolt at semiauto speeds, but that works
08:20:47 syv: Which is fed ammo by magic carrying a chain of bullets, even as it fires.
08:22:46 ER: just holding a sniper rifle with one hand sideways on the grip, the other hand on the bolt, whipping around as a blur, firing round after round
08:23:15 ER: which is probably how max level xcom eu snipers work
08:29:06 ER: uh, so the bolt is on the right side, and you're holding the grip with your right hand, tilted counterclockwise 90 degrees, so the bolt is sticking up, and then your left hand is just stuck to the bolt
08:29:45 ER: and you're a fucking superhuman so this all somehow works out for you
08:30:07 syv: Maybe I'll try that sometime.
08:30:13 syv: Would make a good gun shitpost.
08:31:39 ER: maybe film it and then speed up the footage in post
08:31:58 ER: so that it looks like you're firing really fast
08:32:56 syv: Yeaaaah I'm gonna do that.
08:33:51 ER: okay but don't main yourself enacting my very dumb idea
08:34:43 syv: I always main myself, don't have the time to run an alt.
08:34:56 syv: But nah, I can do it safely.
08:38:21 ER: I'm sure that with this technique, we can make machineguns obsolete
08:38:35 ER: and just replace them with snipers
08:39:12 syv: They're basically the same thing anyway.
08:39:39 syv: Just opposite tradeoffs between RoF and accuracy~
08:39:41 ER: no no, sniper rifles do higher damage per shot, obviously
08:39:48 ER: haven't you ever played a video game
08:41:46 syv: Desire to make a gun game rising, again.
08:42:30 Devastator: do PS update first, plz.
08:43:21 ER: I tried running a gun game and didn't wind up having fun!
08:43:45 syv: Think I'm gonna give up on Verloren. Increasingly seems to be becoming a meticulous simulation of an innocent person being slowly destroyed.
08:44:15 ER: I mean, yeah, that's pretty much it
08:44:21 syv: It feels practically designed to make the player hate themselves for everything they do. Which, well, is natural considering the source. But... yeah.
08:44:56 ER: if you're going to hate them for what they're doing, you may as well share that!
08:45:25 syv: I don't hate other people so much nowadays.
08:45:35 syv: I'd just feel guilty for torturing a nonexistent human.
08:48:41 ER: then why don't you feel guilty already?
08:49:51 syv: I do, whenever I work on it. :v
08:50:20 syv: I about finished the list of mental disorders last time.
08:50:31 syv: Have a window up with the last few ones I wanted to look over.
08:51:00 Devastator: yeah, that sounds very rough.
08:52:24 ER: should really go for refine or something so that the standard enemies are sufficeintly inhuman
08:53:22 ER: I don't enjoy setting up a nice cozy little group and then watch them get dismantled, even if they are cultist terrorists
08:53:23 syv: I have more hype for Refine than any AAA game release.
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08:53:43 ER: time to start a kickstarter!
08:53:45 syv: Maybe you should run a cop game?
08:54:01 syv: Player goal is to nonlethally arrest the enemies, not kill them.
08:54:14 ER: and this has what to do with cops
08:55:10 syv: Yes yes, police brutality haha. But I mean--you consistently dislike having to have characters die. So why not make a game where the wincon is *saving* the enemies?
08:56:15 syv: Make it not-a-dystopia, and they can be rehabilitated after or w/e.
08:56:43 syv: Or make the players literal angels or something, saving people from a dystopia. Throw in magic to justify stuff a little.
08:57:00 syv: Gun angels don't kill, they're too good for that.
08:59:44 Devastator: or do a weirder persona game.. you pay hitpoints for magic summons to fight for you. More hitpoints, more power.
08:59:57 Devastator: can't rest up until the end of the dungeon, new summon each encounter.
09:00:09 syv: That seems like a terrible mechanic for a forum game.
09:00:20 syv: More GM work, since they play chars *for* the players.
09:00:37 syv: Making a game where people *don't* die when they're killed could also work.
09:00:54 ER: but people die when they are killed!
09:01:07 syv: You could literally copy the whole structure of Vijiriwek, and just have it set inside VR.
09:01:16 syv: That lets you have nonlethal bloody murder.
09:01:36 syv: Hell, could do the same with basically anything. Tactihell as an MMO; people
09:01:50 syv: 's avatars change, not themselves. Though that loses the awesome cosmology.
09:02:24 syv: I'd probably go the route of having a cyberpunk setting where wars are fought in VR, and do matter, but the people themselves aren't dying when they're shot.
09:02:42 syv: But there's a *lot* of options there.
09:02:57 Devastator: could do the warfare-by-champions thing.
09:03:15 Devastator: VR soldiers to solve a conflict without huge numbers of dead people.
09:04:14 ER: oh no, my cyberpunk setting has the "main" world be all virtual, and the few people who remain in the actual world outside send in COPS
09:04:43 ER: but also another layer of virtual world exists under the virtual city, and more can exist under that, etc
09:05:05 Devastator: Hah, maybe a game where you're one of the 2% of the population who has to keep everything running for the 98% of everyone in the VR world.
09:05:15 Devastator: and you need them for some other reason.
09:06:00 Devastator: maybe you're on an interstellar colony ship, and the VR is due to the huge travel times.
09:06:08 Devastator: you'll get your shift, but you're awake for this decade.
09:06:46 ER: I appreciate it, but none of that appeals to me and I'm not going to run anything right now
09:07:52 ER: what would be the point without Death and Humanity? ;v
09:12:05 syv: "Pretty badass music for an old lady who can die by running into a wall."
09:12:33 ER: as I said, it's you who is badass if you can manage to play at all
09:24:12 syv: Co-op Aria would actually be a really good idea if we could both play Aria decently. And didn't have lag.
09:24:24 syv: Revives only give one heart, but then she has only a half heart ax.
09:24:49 syv: So one person is allowed to fail per level.
09:27:08 syv: Oh holy shit Aria all zones with Amplified starts you in ZONE FIVE.
09:29:39 Devastator: isn't that the last zone?
09:29:57 syv: Normal game has four zones.
09:30:26 syv: Aria starts at the last zone then goes down, so starting from the hardest and getting easier (since she requires perfect play).
09:30:32 ER: aria does normally start in the last world, yes
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