00:52:53 ER: hey
Devastator you should go vote in
PW's poll, specifically for my favored choice
01:48:40 Devastator: No, not voting in that poll.
01:48:44 Devastator: I have no opinion on it.
01:48:54 Devastator: besides, I think your choice is winning.
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02:04:03 syv: Posted an argument for hole too.
02:04:16 syv: Hopefully that can swing a vote somewhere.
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02:04:29 syv: Or at least begin a good argument.
02:05:43 ER: hmm, yeah, hole has more potential to have a structure other than "randomly generated nonsense strung together"
02:06:12 syv: Green hell is just generic, though.
02:18:58 Devastator: watching a recent pro sc1 match to a recent pro sc2 match.
02:19:02 Devastator: sc1 still better. ;-p
02:21:11 ER: supreme commander is fun to watch though
02:21:35 Devastator: I can see that, yeah.
02:21:41 Devastator: but still, much bigger than SC2.
02:21:53 Devastator: sc2 you end up with lots more blobbing.
02:22:57 Devastator: only seen game 1 there, but that's a serious game.
02:25:30 Devastator: very old-school indeed, though. That looked like a playstyle ten years old.. just at a higher level.
02:26:30 Devastator: oh man and game 2 is looking very modern.
02:39:11 syv: Seems like infinite now leads by one point so far.
02:39:28 Devastator: good lord what a match.
02:50:24 Devastator: god, this match is just great. SC1 commentators are the best too.
02:51:56 syv: Maybe I should start reading porn while in IRC, narrate what I like about it.
02:52:29 syv: "God, this scene is just amazing. Big titties are the best too."
02:53:01 Devastator: I'll shut up about it now.
02:53:14 syv: No worries, I'm more amused than anything.
02:53:23 syv: But yeah, no interest in SC.
02:53:33 ER: that wouldn't be specific enough
syv
02:53:50 syv: I was trying to avoid *actually* being disgusting.
02:54:01 syv: You want me to start describing my fetishes to you?
02:54:15 Devastator: dunno, you a foot man?
02:54:58 ER: I wasn't saying no, I was simply looking away
02:58:16 Devastator: aww. Game four the commentators are calling out a deceptive move, where the Z player does something abnormal and they're talking about how the T player will read it wrongly and do something inaccurate because of the bad info.
02:58:40 Devastator: ..which the T player in fact does.
02:59:00 syv: Are there U, V, W, X, and Y players?
03:00:13 Devastator: T for the humans, Z for the bugs, and P for the elves.
03:00:30 syv: Nah, I know. Terran, Zerg, Protoss.
03:00:43 syv: Toiletpaper rounds must exist.
03:01:13 syv: If they have threeway matches, there's trans-pacific partnership matches
03:15:35 Devastator: well, ended with the inevitable soulkey win.
03:15:43 Devastator: too bad, but he was definately better.
03:27:05 syv: I'd give you a cookie but I can't throw that far.
03:27:10 syv: Also I don't have any cookies.
03:30:25 syv: Can I teach you Spiderman racing?
03:35:10 syv: There's a lot of self-murder.
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03:37:24 syv: I haven't read the last few posts yet.
03:37:59 ER: ahh, particularly hungry for PS updates right now
03:39:13 syv: Back to doing five at once, I suppose.
03:39:34 Devastator: did Chev post actual orders?
03:39:43 syv: (
syv) I haven't read the last few posts yet.
03:40:07 syv: If not, guess I'll do A, A, and S.
03:40:32 ER: if Xv does a telepathy shout and doesn't get punished for that would it be meta for me to decide to do a shout of my own
03:40:43 ER: because I haven't so far because I'm scared of that shit
03:40:50 syv: Doesn't matter whether he gets punished either.
03:41:33 syv: Fun thing about human minds--they're a lot less predictable and deterministic than people like to think.
03:41:57 syv: You can usually justify a character as coming to wildly different decisions based off of very minor changes in their mood and perception.
03:43:06 syv: If you've got an idea for how you want your char to act, there's probably a contortion of perception which justifies them acting in that fashion.
03:43:28 syv: See: Ekrov being in love with Saeko despite everything.
03:44:05 Devastator: has she done anything that bad yet?
03:44:13 Devastator: other than being a FILTHY MUTANT
03:44:27 ER: well, you just murdered that dude
03:44:32 syv: No, but she's definitely getting there.
03:44:40 Devastator: Presumably, but
piecewise hasn't had that happen yet.
03:44:44 Devastator: or Ekrov knows about it.
03:44:53 syv: He doesn't know about the murder, no.
03:45:15 ER: how does he simply not notice something like that with d12
03:45:37 piecewise: Murder is subjective
03:45:46 syv: And he's presumably never even met the guy before he gets booked.
03:45:58 Devastator: can I just assume that happened,
piecewise? I'll mark it down on the charsheet.
03:46:10 Devastator: still not sure if there's much point to using the reader's digest for combat purposes or stuff like that.
03:46:19 syv: So... "Saeko found a ridiculously loyal person somehow." is as odd as it gets for him.
03:46:50 piecewise: If she reads his mind it might yield interesting results
03:47:14 Devastator: I don't think she can do that.
03:47:17 syv: And that's much more easily justifiable to his psyche as "Saeko is just that awesome of a person" than "Saeko used a magic artifact to murder an innocent for minor reasons and paranoia".
03:47:18 Devastator: other than with the artifact.
03:47:19 piecewise: also I have no idea what you're all talking about with assuming somethign
03:47:32 Devastator: can I just assume she managed to put that guy in the reader's digest?
03:48:36 Devastator: doing just the bird summoning stuff next turn.
03:48:40 syv: ...I like how "Murder is subjective" is such a blatantly incorrect statement in general, and yet is totally correct in the context of this murder.
03:48:53 Devastator: can I sell back the many word when I'm done with it? I need the empty slot more.
03:48:57 Devastator: and don't want to just ditch it.
03:49:05 Devastator: even if it's like free or nearly so.
03:49:22 syv: Getting rid of multicast,
Dev?
03:49:27 syv: Has Noita taught you nothing?
03:50:13 Devastator: We have another in the flower-petal rod.
03:50:21 Devastator: but need an empty slot pretty bad.
03:50:42 Devastator: I'll try for d10 at some point in the future, but that'll probably be nearly all the words. d10+4 will be it for kno.
03:51:14 syv: You need to readers digest another invoker, use them as a piggybank for words.
03:51:24 Devastator: that's a good idea.
03:51:31 Devastator: might well do that.. I could use more word space.
03:51:42 Devastator: or maybe find a 'magic' and carve some space into people.
03:51:56 Devastator: 'Contain Magic' to make Benedict a word repository.
03:52:41 syv: I feel like "find 'magic' " is a solution to many problems. Just not a very practical one.
03:53:33 Devastator: I like the shotgun gold nuggest.
03:53:57 syv: Always casts bomb, + chainsaws
03:54:16 syv: I hope someone someday finds "always casts nuke"
03:55:19 Devastator: also brickwork isn't quite immune to bombs.
03:56:40 syv: Was surprised by that, myself.
03:56:56 syv: You can burrow through with acid though.
03:58:08 Devastator: 'always cast acid trail'
03:59:56 syv: It's cheap, so pretty easy to get a functionally infinite amount. Though a bit dangerous.
03:59:58 Devastator: so how do you get those? I should have made one for sparkbolt wand.
04:00:23 syv: Like all the wands. Deeper ones have better chances, but the always cast ones are rare.
04:00:35 ER: gotta acquire a new version of noita some time
04:00:35 syv: Like, once or twice in a full game run rare.
04:01:11 ER: yeah but I bought two games and a bundle recently
04:01:12 syv: Oh. It's in the options somewhere, I forget precisely.
04:01:29 ER: turns out games are often worth buying
04:01:38 syv: After dying, it lets you choose "record last moments" or something like that, and will export the last fifteen seconds or so?
04:02:01 syv: I presume you can also do it at any time in some versions, but I never figured out how to do so in mine.
04:02:15 syv: For my videos I just suicided immediately after, if I didn't already die...
04:03:36 syv: I still really like this one.
04:04:11 Devastator: lava to blood, and drilling thing.
04:04:25 Devastator: could you just dig straight to the work like that?
04:04:46 syv: That's under the work, there's two lava shafts with no bottom.
04:05:03 syv: Left the computer running for like an hour just to see how deep it'd go.
04:05:41 Devastator: I heard it bugs out eventually.
04:05:48 syv: But there's extremely dense ground above the work, and there's no good way through that. Even acid doesn't work great.
04:06:08 syv: Ahh, yeah, bholes do work.
04:06:22 syv: Always casts black hole would be amazing.
04:06:46 syv: The ending is just depressing.
04:07:13 syv: Wandering through a completely and utterly dead world.
04:08:31 Devastator: well, I'll never see it, so..
04:10:19 syv: Ooh, bomb wand guy posted his seed. Beta branch 265 days ago, so probably not actually usable, buuut... 561581768
04:14:35 Devastator: I do like what the pro players said about Starcraft 1 remastered.
04:14:40 Devastator: "Change none of the mechanics."
04:16:46 syv: People in the AoTTG 2 discord keep suggesting "improvements" for the ODM mechanics in AoTTG.
04:16:50 ER: pro players hate any and all change for any reason~
04:17:03 Devastator: there's some truth there.. but with Starcraft 1, the game that made e-sports..
04:17:15 syv: All of the serious players (myself included) pretty consistently go "Oh noooo no no no"
04:17:41 syv: Especially since most of the suggestions have "more realistic" somewhere in them.
04:18:56 ER: if it were realistic then you would be a dude on the ground, and then titans would try to eat you but instead fall on their faces and splatter open
04:19:41 Devastator: god more realistic?
04:19:55 ER: asking for realism with that set of mechanics is INSANE
04:20:45 Devastator: they did some balance changes, but those aren't mechanics changes.
04:21:02 syv: The also consistently do not actually understand the mechanics.
04:21:18 syv: Though to be fair the mechanics are insane and broken and clearly entirely unintended.
04:21:37 syv: I am 100% sure the original
dev made a fun game completely by accident.
04:22:24 syv: The
dev team for 2, happily, has stated repeatedly that they will not change the core ODM mechanics.
04:22:45 syv: Maaaybe add more on top, but only if it gets strong support and everyone agrees it's better when testing it.
04:23:11 syv: Scrolling through the Noita reddit is fun.
04:23:25 syv: Lots of short little <10 second videos that are instant payoff.
04:37:37 Devastator: hmm, mind reading..
04:49:23 Devastator: questions,
piecewise.
04:50:37 ER: welp, I managed to convince Nature to change her vote
04:50:58 Devastator: so you're good for hole now?
04:57:39 ER: care to watch
ER play a game blind
04:57:49 ER: game is: "Lenna's Inception"
04:58:26 syv: I'd be curious to, but my internet remains shit...
04:59:01 Devastator: watching starcraft with shit net too.
05:01:13 Devastator: oh man, more mindgames.
05:01:17 Devastator: no, can't miss this, sorry.
05:13:53 Devastator: "Names to not choose if you're a pro gamer."
05:14:07 Devastator: (too many players.)
05:16:41 Devastator: "Man, that was a stupid move, but if it paid off, his opponent would have had to build infinity turrets. I mean infinity turrets."
05:26:23 syv: Odd that Rain is so popular.
05:26:29 syv: Zero, Hero, those are obvious.
05:28:21 Devastator: there's like eight Rains in starcraft.
05:28:30 Devastator: korean thing, probably.
05:35:26 Devastator: one-character name or something.
05:41:04 Devastator: seems to be two symbols.
05:46:41 syv: Maybe it has special meaning in their culture.
05:55:49 syv: Made in Abyss has a psychotic layer of unblinking optimism in the face of depressing horror.
05:56:07 syv: Roadside picnic is just depressing horror with nothing to garnish it at al.
05:56:51 ER: I like when things have weird tonal layers
05:56:54 syv: The popular filtered reddit for it is just a solid wall of cute.
05:58:04 syv: I hope NG doesn't flipflop back to Infinite Now when the response to my textwall comes.
06:00:35 syv: I prefer when things are just straight crunchy sad, I think.
06:01:09 syv: Though I'unno. I hated The Road, which is possibly the most bleak and depressing thing I've ever read.
06:01:45 syv: Maybe it just crossed the line.
06:03:03 ER: I like when things seem... realistic. reality is often sad, but it's not always sad, and it's not sad because it's cruel, just because it is
06:05:12 syv: Comparing the three medias most recent to this discussion, it implies I *dislike* realism.
06:06:12 syv: The Road is extremely, painfully realistic in all aspects aside from the apocolypse occuring (and it's not entirely impossible). Roadside Picnic is real, but has a fantastic zone with physics defying artifacts. And MiA straight drops realism when it wants to be creative.
06:09:02 Devastator: PM3 is also unrealistic..
06:09:46 syv: Yeah, and I tend to dislike contemporary stuff.
06:09:55 syv: I dislike realism. How odd.
06:10:44 Devastator: don't you like my games because they're like too realistic?
06:14:18 syv: I think it's more due to how consistent and believable the world is.
06:14:22 Devastator: maybe it's because they're realistic but weird.
06:14:30 Devastator: ie, they make sense, just not a sense you know.
06:14:58 syv: PM3, Roadside Picnic, Made in Abyss. They're all logical and have their own consistent rules about how things work. They just also have lots of unrealistic fantastic elements thrown in.
06:15:41 syv: The Road is entirely realistic, but without any fantastic elements thrown in really. With the possible exception of the author treating cannibalism as practical and sustainable.
06:16:26 syv: Yeah, and your games have a lot of stuff to discover in them. They're new and strange.
06:16:35 ER: now that's just being pointlessly edgy~
06:17:08 syv: Yeah, definitely. Though admittedly it's done for pretty much the exact same reason I abuse the trope.
06:19:20 syv: I guess they "feel real", rather than "feel realistic".
06:20:21 Devastator: man, that would have been fun, because the goal locations were all buried underground.
06:20:29 Devastator: birbs aren't good at digging.
06:20:42 ER: if it were easilly understood, it would not elicit comparison to reality~
06:20:42 Devastator: I think you had five or six of them in the whole world to turn off.
06:21:14 ER: strangeness is an important component of the kind of realism I like
06:21:38 Devastator: did you like birbgame,
ER?
06:30:56 Devastator: what did you guys have anyway..
06:31:02 Devastator:
pw's birb had +1 to combat.
06:31:25 Devastator:
MJ was in a really weird place.
06:31:40 Devastator: you were in that big town.
06:32:30 syv: Mine was some bonus to healing, I think?
06:32:54 Devastator: you went to death zone, and then teleported to the life zone.
06:33:03 syv: Because in my efforts to find the god of death I screwed up so bad I stumbled in on the god of life seducing a planet.
06:33:03 Devastator: the fear was the thing that was supposed to keep dead spirits from doing that.
06:33:15 Devastator: that was like really complicated.
06:38:05 Devastator: I forget what you had. Can you quote your charsheet to me, if you still have access to it?
06:40:52 syv: "Mortimer Vrazenkt the Mellifluent"
06:41:52 Devastator: so what did you get from the realm of the gods?
06:43:14 syv: No hands, flying, "Boundless Enthusiasm" (+1 against fear), "Heightened Senses" (+3 spot, +1 int, +1 wis. Reduce pain tolerance, -1 to saves vs unconsciousness), "Lifebloom" (+2 foraging, +2 healing living things, +1 int involving living things. Temporarily grants +6 to all natural healing checks.), "Stonesense" (+2 craft with stone and metal, autosuccess at identifying minerals and stone formations).
06:44:46 Devastator: the lifebloom would have faded somewhat.
06:45:23 Devastator: and the +6 was just to yourself healing naturally.
06:46:46 Devastator: the senses somewhat, too. Probably both of them would have went to +1s instead of bigger numbers. Except for stonesense.
06:47:02 Devastator: that was knowledge crammed in your brain and it would have stuck.
06:47:11 syv: Lifebloom was the only one that said it degraded over time.
06:47:26 Devastator: yeah, it would have been slower, but it would have happened.
06:47:26 syv: Err, the natural healing part.
06:47:30 Devastator: brain can't run like that forever.
06:47:59 Devastator: some would have stuck with you forever, but some not.
06:49:27 syv: Seems pretty meh for a god-given gift.
06:49:54 syv: Just slightly advanced mortal, much below even "weak demigod".
06:50:03 Devastator: Yeah, could have been more.
06:50:21 Devastator: but it was more like an 'eh, lets give this person something before I kick him out.'
06:50:49 Devastator: still the spot bonuses and the foraging bonus and the int and wis bonuses..
06:50:55 Devastator: combined they're useful, even if not powerful.
06:52:54 ER: man, I'm feeling depressed lately
06:52:59 syv: +3 spot especially is a big boon.
06:53:15 syv: I'm always willing to listen.
06:54:07 ER: I've just been tired and not wanting to do things
06:54:50 syv: I get that. Feel like that more often than not, really. :\
06:55:12 syv: Anything unusual happening lately?
06:55:43 syv: Or just too time consuming?
06:56:15 ER: gods, if I could just not spend time on work, I'd take it
06:57:05 syv: You in an okay situation? Stable, at least?
06:59:07 syv: Any prospects for advancement? Better pay, less hours, maybe?
07:00:35 Devastator: How are the co-workers?
07:03:00 syv: Sorry I don't really know what to say, but I hope things improve.
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13:33:10 RC: Hello there you best of the 80's and 90's.
14:05:42 piecewise: Now thats what I call Nerds volume 309359
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14:33:06 RC: Checked in a bit earlier, nothing but crickets.
14:33:33 Devastator: yeah, I'm heading out very soon myself.
14:34:11 RC: Writing some emails in the library.
14:35:51 RC: In mook someone found impending disaster in a loot roll, again.
14:35:54 Devastator: heading off to work. Got the city coming in to check something for me, so need to be in there earlyish.
14:36:11 Devastator: sounds like
ER there.
14:36:16 RC: In DIG we are about to do something bloody dangerous, that's always fun.
14:36:37 RC: Ah, I see. How's work been?
14:38:16 RC: That's good I suppose. Over here we still have some rather annoying restrictions in terms of lab access and such, but it's doable.
14:41:44 RC: Alright, good luck at work!
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23:02:19 ER: we should prolly decide on something to watch some time
23:02:34 ER: you know, to stave off having to think about real life
23:12:07 ER: one of the things
piecewise said, I think
23:12:17 ER: I forgot what we were leaning towards
23:13:04 ER: oh yeah, think I wanted to see grimgar
23:17:36 IronyOwl: I was leaning towards planetes or uh
23:17:48 IronyOwl: what was the one where somebody rolls around on a talking motorcycle
23:17:53 IronyOwl: kino's journey I think?
23:18:16 Devastator: mmm, heard about that one.
23:18:29 Devastator: might skip it. Seems like lots of disconnected stories.
23:19:11 ER: gotta keep in mind that
dev and
syv didn't like cowboy bebop ;p
23:19:39 ER: so cly they don't like wandering around and seeing mostly random weird shit happen
23:20:59 Devastator: I liked cowboy bebop ok.
23:21:13 Devastator: but from what I've seen of Kino's it's got more philosophy but less style.
23:21:39 IronyOwl: it's basically entirely random shit, from what I understand
23:21:50 IronyOwl: to the point where
pw figured he could show us any ol' episode to see if we liked it
23:28:22 Devastator: if I wanted to watch a show about nothing, I'd watch Seinfeld.
23:28:44 ER: yeah, but seinfeld is a BORING show about nothing. :p
23:37:13 ER: it's about some randos in nyc making bad descisions, that's not just something that could happen, that's something that literally happens every day!
23:40:48 Devastator: as opposed to some rando with a motorcycle who wanders around making no decisions at all.
23:41:16 ER: I'm sure that describes kino perfectly~
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