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08:52:08 syv: So I watched that gun rants video
Piecewise linked.
08:52:24 syv: And, uh, yes. I am like that. My voice isn't quite as deep.
08:52:38 Devastator: have to put the two of you in the same room together.
08:52:41 syv: But I have gone on rants basically identical to some of his.
08:52:52 syv: I don't have anywhere near as much experience though.
08:53:09 syv: Weirdly, I *have* fired an auto G36, of all things.
08:54:12 Devastator: "FUCK YOU, I'M JEALOUS."
08:56:24 syv:
MJ happens to live near a range with one. I'd just give him the address. :P
08:57:02 syv: Also I want to argue with him about auto 308s being dumb.
08:57:13 syv: They are, but not really because of the recoil
08:57:35 Devastator: you just want to argue that side?
08:59:24 syv: The bit where he was super excited about the AS VAL is 100% me as well. Plunkbat having a Vintorez is like 80% of the reason I bought the game, and I had about the same reaction with
MJ when he found one in the game.
09:00:16 Devastator: WHY DIDN'T YOU FUCKING TELL ME!
09:00:45 syv: I think
MJ's reaction was something like "I don't even know what this is"
09:02:15 Devastator: Is the story about the AWP true?
09:02:22 Devastator: Because I can totally imagine that happening in Britain.
09:02:36 syv: But yeah, I'll believe it.
09:03:03 syv: The Barrett M82 had a similar story, there's a number of very successful garage gun projects.
09:03:22 Devastator: Although many of the gun-tinkers went into tanks lately..
09:03:27 Devastator: it's why the Challenger is so overbuilt.
09:03:38 syv: Maybe the Cheytac M200? Not really sure, I think Cheytac was more established?
09:03:55 syv: ...Nah, yeah, it was derived from something else.
09:04:15 syv: I don't know anywhere near as much about tanks.
09:06:08 Devastator: well, IIRC, the Challenger 2 was basically developed from the holdover of second world war tank design, and actually developed privately. I don't remember if they had a contract before work started, or if it really was a tinker project, but it wasn't a huge comittee piece.
09:06:45 Devastator: essentially basically someone put dudes under the same roof, and they started making it in Leeds.
09:07:21 syv: Neat. Good way to design something if you want quality at any price.
09:07:31 syv: I think the Russians do that kind of thing, actually.
09:08:08 syv: It would explain a lot of their very out-there designs.
09:09:43 Devastator: also, if
ER posts I might consider doing k-com a little early.
09:10:13 syv: I will bug him the next time I see him.
09:11:47 Devastator: I think it's just him.
09:12:54 Devastator: I can wait a few more days.
09:14:51 syv: Have I ranted about the ASh-12.7 to you? I know I brought it up recently. It's one of the really weird Russian guns that's perfect for a dystopian police state.
09:15:35 Devastator: I think you have, actually.
09:16:37 syv: I like it. It's a gun that's terrible for real life but would be a great choice in a lot of games.
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09:31:43 syv: Well, it'd probably be a bit too heavy. If you're not running it with CC you probably want a normal SMG or something.
09:31:50 Devastator: Or aren't a vertical dog.
09:32:18 syv: Lemme check the weight on it...
09:34:15 syv: I might let Alida use that without CC.
09:35:11 Devastator: and probably kicks pretty good despite being big.
09:37:07 syv: Remember how that guy said automatic 308 rifles are bad because their recoil is uncontrollable?
09:37:22 syv: The ASh-12 is chambered in 12.7x55mm
09:37:53 Devastator: what I was thinking.
09:38:19 Devastator: Nah, I think she could learn, and maybe think herself in being able to handle it eventually, but it's a gun heavier than ideal, IMO.
09:38:25 syv: It's not quite as bad as that sound because it's not necked down, but it's still a stronger recoil.
09:40:02 syv: G3 is about 4.5 kg though, and doesn't have as nice a shape, so it might be a bit better.
09:40:10 Devastator: idea I really think perfect reflexes plus pistols would do it, since they're hideable.
09:40:43 Devastator: Yeah, but I figure most enemies that are too strong for pistols would also be too strong for rifles.
09:41:03 Devastator: plus it'd be easier for her to carry and or hide a pistol.
09:41:14 syv: Mm, maybe. Auto thirty cal is pretty destructive.
09:42:45 syv: These familiars, you could definitely destroy with an Ash, or any real battle rifle. But a glock wouldn't do too much unless used really well.
09:43:33 Devastator: mmm, so there are mid-range enemies, then.
09:43:48 Devastator: just thinking about the past. The blob monsters would have been better with a pistol.
09:43:58 Devastator: the wire creature.. probably would have been fine against those two.
09:45:57 syv: The wire guy would've been armored against pistol rounds, but not AP rifle rounds. Maaaybe not against ball rifle rounds.
09:46:36 syv: Checked, I was wrong,12.7x55mm actually has slightly less muzzle energy in its hottest load compared to 308.
09:46:46 Devastator: I don't know, I can't see an ordinary rifle being enough to break thick cables.
09:47:03 syv: And they have much lighter loads, which does make a lot of sense. :P
09:47:05 Devastator: I mean, AP rounds maaaybe, but cables just don't seem like good targets.
09:47:40 syv: Also, his armor was pretty spotty. Basically a pistol would've just needed a slightly higher roll.
09:48:34 Devastator: also a pistol seems better for jumping around a lot.
09:48:57 Devastator: I mean, why couldn't I pick targets? Or jump in and unload right in the face or vulnerable spot, and then jump away?
09:49:22 syv: Eh, at 6 kg I don't think I'd consider you encumbered. Add a shield, and yes, that would start to matter, where it wouldn't with a pistol.
09:49:35 syv: You absolutely can use guns as melee weapons, rolls on bravery instead of joy.
09:50:11 syv: Hitting a smaller part with a melee weapon would still be harder than "any part".
09:50:43 Devastator: plus I could use a pistol with a bigger round than 9mm.
09:51:39 syv: yes, use a deagle, nothing bad will come of that decision
09:52:53 Devastator: (Just trying to think of the most annoying thing to suggest.)
09:53:36 Devastator: unfortunately found something I'd probably actually prefer first.
09:53:42 syv: You're already uusing a fishing club.
09:53:51 syv: I don't think you could find a gun I'd like less than a fishing club.
09:54:27 syv: Any particular reason you'd go with that?
09:54:55 Devastator: In particular? Nah.
09:55:18 Devastator: I'd expect she'd go with 'whatever pistol she can find', and then if it doesn't stop too much, look for something that's heavier and newer.
09:55:36 Devastator: so seems likely enough.
09:55:42 Devastator: I'm not a gun fan,
syv, I'm sorry.
09:55:50 Devastator: playing a character.
09:56:16 syv:
ER is also in the game, and another char has an AK totem.
09:56:47 syv: Though sadly
ER *didn't* grab the damn auto saiga.
09:56:59 Devastator: If she was a vertical dog, getting a big rifle would be much more appealing.
09:58:40 syv: Just need to make a harness with an attached pintle mount
09:58:59 syv: Turn your horizontal wolf into a technical
09:59:01 Devastator: Someone else will have to suggest that, probably.
09:59:46 syv: Have aa hell of a time getting Knocker to give you a PKM.
10:01:26 Devastator: that seems more like something to ask for the second mission.
10:01:41 Devastator: and after "You hauled my dog to a vet" I dunno about agreeing to a second time.
10:03:14 Devastator: Also, "I want to arm my dog" is a strange conversation.
10:09:36 syv: A Vintorez or Val probably would be a really good choice for magical girls. Not really punchier than a 45, but automatic and fairly controllable, integrally suppressed, accurate, armor piercing, and relatively simple to take care of. The Val is even fairly concealable.
10:09:59 syv: Plus they just *look* kinda like they were designed for children. The Vintorez is just an adorable little gun.
10:10:47 Devastator: hmm, that's an idea.
10:10:59 syv: Damn, maybe I'll make a future witch be a Russian girl who used a 9A which she stole from a SWAT team. That would be entirely reasonable.
10:11:04 Devastator: and well, although I'm saying I'd prefer a pistol, if one isn't available, I'd take something else.
10:11:58 syv: If you go through criminals, pistols will *inevitably* be available. They're like the most useful possible guns for criminals.
10:12:20 syv: If you rob civilians, then you'd be limited to shotguns and rifles.
10:13:08 Devastator: oh, would totally rob the army instead.
10:14:22 Devastator: just do it in the most straightforwards way possible. Use CC4 to smash a wall down, grab some guns and ammo, and Mob 3 away.
10:14:30 syv: 't know of an army that doesn't have pistols.
10:14:42 Devastator: Yeah, but they might not be in the exact right place.
10:14:54 syv: ...I feel like that would not work at all.
10:15:17 syv: You gotta break into the armory, and if you *don't* break into an armory you've gotta rob a soldier.
10:15:31 syv: Vast majority of whom won't have weapons or ammo.
10:16:02 syv: And those who do would be very willing to shoot you
10:16:13 Devastator: I think you're overestimating the amount of time it'd take.
10:16:42 syv: If you punch a guard and take his AR, then yeah, it'd be very fast.
10:16:47 Devastator: she runs at like 70 mph. It's maaybe 20 seconds from the fence to the armoury.
10:16:53 syv: Finding an armory on a military base? Sure, if you know where it is.
10:17:02 Devastator: five, ten seconds to knock down the wall, if that.
10:17:15 Devastator: twenty seconds to grab something and run.
10:18:02 syv: I've never tried to look up the floorplan of a military base online.
10:18:41 syv: I'll agree, if you can just google up "where does the local military base keep their extremely dangerous weapons", then yes, it's simple and easy.
10:19:03 syv: I feel like this isn't something you can do though. I mean come on.
10:19:44 Devastator: well, no, but it won't be that hard.
10:19:47 syv: And I just know you're going to hand me a floorplan of an actual military base complete with armory, now. ._.
10:22:04 Devastator: Nah, but these are magical girls.
10:22:14 Devastator: and remember, if you fail, you can fall back to 'CC a sentry.'
10:25:08 syv: And yours is a magical girl with Amateur inn and cursed creativity, so her attempts at rezearch begin and end at Google, while her searching for the armory instead find the barracks.
10:26:01 syv: Is the plan possible and decently likely to succeed to some degree? Absolutely.
10:26:20 syv: Is it a great plan? Only if you like to accept real chances of failure plus consequences.
10:26:31 Devastator: although another option is to.. run into the base and check out buildings, until you find the armoury.
10:26:52 syv: Yes, that would be a cre roll.
10:26:53 Devastator: they're not going to move it and you can come back a couple weeks later.
10:27:22 syv: Buy a quadcopter and fly it into the base, streaming footage of all the buildings.
10:27:37 syv: They probably wouldn't even shoot it down.
10:27:59 syv: ..Hrm. Yeah, that, that'd actually work disturbingly well.
10:29:08 Devastator: they wouldn't shoot it down?
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10:30:32 syv: Quadcopters are very small targets, moving at a decent speed. They're very hard to shoot, even with a *shotgun*.
10:30:44 syv: Guards are almost certainly not carrying shotguns.
10:30:49 syv: And then it's flying overhead.
10:31:02 syv: And they're in a base, probably shooting further inside the base.
10:31:38 syv: Quite possibly in or near the city.
10:32:51 syv: *Trying* to shoot it is a very unsafe idea regardless of whether you hit, and then those who are still foolish enough to try it are just unlikely to manage the feat.
10:33:12 Devastator: but flying a quad would be another int roll. As would be interpreting the information.
10:33:21 Devastator: I mean, they'd probably be easier, and I could get some help.
10:33:33 Devastator: I don't know, just seems too thinky for her.
10:33:39 syv: Sure, but easier, and very safe.
10:34:19 syv: Not at *all* Alida's style, on any level.
10:34:45 syv: Just popped into my mind, and we both know what I prioritize in plans.
10:36:00 Devastator: now, to CC a sentry in human or woof form..
10:36:11 Devastator: woof can better take a bullet, but human much less likely to be shot.
10:40:04 Devastator: I guess it'd depend on the terrain.
10:40:59 syv: Not really. Alida is a teen girl. She could pretty much autosuccess every part of that.
10:41:32 Devastator: Yeah, not getting shot is pretty likely.
10:41:41 Devastator: even with no weapon, CC3 should let her steal the gun.
10:41:49 Devastator: and mob 3 means the sentry can no way catch her.
10:41:56 Devastator: plus with no gun, can't shoot her in the back.
10:42:03 syv: CC3 means autosuccess on the disarm, mobility means you can close distance fast, and just being an unarmed child means you're very unlikely to get shot if you don't do anything stupid.
10:43:16 syv: Even the most paranoid high security guard on a base would handcuff her rather than shoot, unless she charged from far enough away that he could react.
10:43:46 syv: If he called backup, maybe that would be a problem, but you could probably still get him before they come.
10:44:19 Devastator: unless the backup is, say, literally in the same room..
10:47:05 syv: But I'd expect you to ambush someone who's at least somewhat isolated.
10:47:37 syv: A second person makes it much more difficult to do nonlethal, though it's certainly still possible.
10:47:48 Devastator: no real reason to do letha.
10:47:56 syv: Not giving you that one though.
10:48:30 syv: It's kinda obvious anyway, you could think of it.
10:48:56 Devastator: well, I could see where someone goes to get guns.
10:49:02 Devastator: that's the way to find an armoury.
10:50:58 Devastator: No, 'I want to arm my dog' isn't as weird as 'please hypnotise my dog so it gets fluffier.'
10:51:35 syv: Actually, no. I could 100% seen a teen girl trying the latter.
10:51:44 syv: The former, need a bit of real insanity there.
10:53:34 Devastator: It working would be weirder, then.
10:53:51 Devastator: 'hypnotise my dog to be sneakier'
10:56:45 Devastator: tbh, if she were to discover that, dunno what to actually use it for.
11:03:02 Devastator: so probably wouldn't do it.
11:09:35 Devastator: oh well, getting guns will probably happen.
11:09:44 Devastator: hmm, might take that storage power, then.
11:10:36 syv: I looked up the AWP on Forgotten weapons.
11:11:49 syv: First thing, the guy was wrong about the designation, which I thought when I heard him but figured was probably just my error. The AW series was adopted as the *L115*
11:12:11 syv: Though I'd thought it was L116, so...
11:12:31 syv: His story was about the L96, which was actually the AI PM
11:12:46 syv: And his story was apparently correct.
11:13:16 syv: Gun Jesus told basically the exact same story, said it came directly from one of the AI Principles who had been involved, *and* consistently said it was only two guys, not three.
11:15:02 Devastator: can you link his episode on it?
11:18:09 Devastator: that sounds metaphorical.
11:18:13 Devastator: it might have actually been three guys.
11:21:28 syv: I am *so* envious of that bipod design, I love it.
11:21:47 syv: Just pops right out, and even when mounted is nice and out of the way.
11:25:20 Devastator: I wonder how long it took until they found it out.
11:27:40 syv: The rifle is clearly a revolutionary design.
11:31:31 syv: I've never seen a naked L96 or AW before
11:36:21 Devastator: hmm, there are probably three advantages to more fluff, anyway. It'd make a harness more comfortable, it'd be less damaging to bump into people or things unintentionally, and it'd be a little bit of extra toughness.
11:42:40 syv: All true, but changing it won't be meaningful in game. :P
11:42:48 syv: Any suggestions on Cabal stuff to do?
11:46:00 Devastator: well, there's still stuff to break down.
11:46:28 Devastator: got that control suit and the stuff from the badly broken lab.
11:48:31 Devastator: if you do that part, do specifically mention it's from the lab that made the sparrow fighter.
11:59:11 Devastator: it'd cut a turn from stuff to do before the auction.
12:01:49 syv: So... "look at the stuff retrieved from the lab that manufactured the sparrow"?
12:02:17 Devastator: "examine the items recovered from Lab 8, that made the sparrow fighter."
12:02:25 syv: Wow. The real Pancor Jackhammer is owned by a man named Chad.
12:03:06 syv: And when Ian says this, he phrases it as "Chad, who is the owner of this gun, who was okay with me fondling it and getting it on video for you guys"
12:03:41 syv: A video of Gun Jesus fondling Chad's jackhammer,
12:13:55 Devastator: I don't know, the good guns make for fun videos, but so do the shitty ones.
12:21:29 Devastator: although I'm pretty sure gun jesus wouldn't even call that a 'gun'
12:24:16 syv: Ian McCollum, which he says at the start of basically every vid, yeah.
12:25:12 Devastator: There's the weapon for a magical girl.
12:25:55 syv: Well, I like how he says it was intended for people with an unreasonable expectation.
12:26:25 Devastator: I meant the other link.
12:26:26 syv: The PAW might actually be a good choice, yeah.
12:27:21 Devastator: 'might actually be'
12:28:08 syv: I haven't watched the video, but it's been in a browser tab for awhile.
12:28:18 syv: I don't know enough about its practical operation to say.
12:28:35 syv: If it's reliable and wieldy, plus you obtain an ammo supply somehow, then yes.
12:29:14 Devastator: it's basically easy-fire 20mm grenades on a six-shot magazine.
12:29:58 Devastator: he fires it at 8:10
12:32:00 Devastator: plus you could put it in a hiking pack.
12:38:44 syv: Wow, that *is* a lot smaller than I thought it was.
12:39:06 Devastator: Oh, plus for the pistols, with Stasis 1 they'd be stowable, where a rifle would take Stasis 2.
12:39:32 syv: When did you get stasis 1? ;p
12:41:25 Devastator: but getting one rank in powers is easier than two.
12:41:38 Devastator: and if offered two levels of Innocence, it'd be Teleporation 1, Stasis 1.
12:45:15 syv: Teleport's obvious, but stasis?
12:45:58 syv: Prediction's out because primary, and time stop's expensive, so those make sense.
12:46:45 syv: Det is one of the best passive in the game though, and Refuge is very nice.
12:47:06 Devastator: Can't fit wolf into Refuge 1.
12:47:12 Devastator: but yes, Det is tempting.
12:47:34 Devastator: if it'd be possible now, it wouldn't be in like a week.
12:48:43 syv: Yeah, the size constraint does make Stasis 1 win out for the most part. Refuge has a bit more creative use, but is to expensive to take planning on that.
12:49:18 Devastator: I could also get some plain grenades and hit them places.
12:49:53 Devastator: Ref 1 only seems really useful to dode a really big attack or something.
12:51:51 Devastator: I suppose could just turn back.
12:56:02 syv: It's more storage, and storage of much bigger stuff. You can never store an anvil with stasis. There's some abuses you can could do with the permanent entrances, especially with having control over the interior--you've always got your own summonable bunker, as an obvious use.
12:56:20 syv: I think for the most part, its major cost limits how much it can be abused... but that's by design really.
12:56:54 syv: You can *absolutely* afford three or four majors a lab, and Innocence is otherwise very cheap.
12:57:30 Devastator: although I don't know what use an anvil is in storage.
12:58:07 Devastator: the higher stages, sure.
12:58:08 syv: It's an example. That manhole cover shield would count, or an M2 browning.
12:58:14 Devastator: Ahh, yeah, I guess that'd work.
12:58:20 Devastator: although can't fit wolf armour in there.
12:59:14 syv: I think you could also use it as a semi-pemanent bridge between two places if you liked.
12:59:46 syv: Maybe I should rebalance it a bit. L3 doesn't need to be improved, but L1 has both size limits *and* control limits, which is a little harsh.
13:00:09 Devastator: yeah, that'd be nice.
13:00:30 Devastator: it'd make leaving for, say, the woods to be a damn sight easier.
13:01:31 syv: That tempts me to improve the L3 size to mansion, heh.
13:01:36 Devastator: how many entrances can you have?
13:01:57 syv: I've never specified a limit and I've never had anyone use it outside of silly test games.
13:02:20 syv: When I wrote it I hadn't been considering multiple entrances, but I didn't ban them then and I don't see reason to do so now.
13:02:50 Devastator: yeah, one entrance is pretty limited.
13:03:44 syv: What do you think of buffing the size beyond "small house"? I don't feel like that would really open it up to any particular abuse, and it could allow for more interesting stuff.
13:04:43 Devastator: Depends on what you mean by small house.
13:04:57 Devastator: to be honest, it's fine.
13:05:07 Devastator: get five or six rooms and that's good.
13:06:31 Devastator: but I'm fine if you want to improve it.
13:07:12 Devastator: although I'd actually make level 1 bedroom, level 2 be like a japanese apartment with 2.5 rooms, and level 3 be a mansion.
13:08:34 syv: Measuring the room I'm in, somewhere between 1000 and 1500 square feet was about what I was imagining. But it'd deliberately very vauge.
13:08:53 Devastator: that's pretty good.
13:10:07 syv: Level 1 is supposed to be small enough to be limiting--I don't want you to stick a car or something in there. Maybe a motorcycle. It'd be fair to be able to jam the whole team in, though.
13:11:55 syv: Level 2 you're supposed to be able to store basically whatever you want unless it's insane. Maaaybe a small tank, if you can somehow get hold of one. Level 3 isn't much different, but would fit basically whatever tank and gets any furnishings and tools you want. Supposed to be big enough to functionally act as your own base.
13:12:17 Devastator: hmm, ~22 weeks from 0 until wolf alida would fill 1000 square feet.
13:12:57 syv: Damn it, haven't installed python yet.
13:13:41 Devastator: 12' 7 high and 13975 kg.
13:15:47 syv: And she'd be eighty feet long...?
13:15:53 Devastator: refuge sounds pretty much fine.
13:16:07 Devastator: I was assuming 2.5 length to height.
13:16:35 syv: How did you reach 1000 square feet???
13:16:56 Devastator: screwed up order of operations.
13:18:06 Devastator: wouldn't it be (x)(2.5x) for area?
13:18:58 syv: Don't worry, you're up ridiculously late.
13:19:05 syv: I get dumb when it's late too.
13:19:59 Devastator: yeah, that's 2.5x2, so around the one-year mark.
13:20:37 syv: Yes, I need to make an adjustment to refuge L3.
13:21:04 syv: "...or just large enough to contain your wolf form, if that is larger."
13:21:12 Devastator: well, you could still have the rest of the team in there too, they'd be inside the fluff. ;-p
13:21:32 syv: Though really I think I'd measure the square footage of my dog first.
13:21:47 syv: Dogs are much more efficient than squares.
13:21:49 Devastator: I thought you had infinite cats.
13:22:06 Devastator: well, that makes sense.
13:22:46 syv: Good choice, she's kinda an ugly dog. ;p
13:24:20 Devastator: and yeah, she probably could squeeze in for some time after.
13:24:30 Devastator: doubt she'll live a year, anyway.
13:24:45 Devastator: even if I get
paris to knock off a couple weeks with ruler's rune.
13:25:23 syv: What are you saying? Alida's almost survived three years.
13:25:46 Devastator: you know what I mean, game time.
13:25:58 Devastator: man, that'd motivate you to update quicker.
13:26:03 Devastator: if she grew according to real-time. ;-p
13:27:57 Devastator: what's that in weeks?
13:28:42 Devastator: so yeah, kaiju really.
13:29:10 syv: That sounds like it'd only be Huge in K-Com...
13:29:40 Devastator: She'd be like a hundred feet long.
13:30:28 Devastator: yeah, not that much.
13:30:40 Devastator: it's a bit big for large.
13:31:15 syv: I'm happy the poorly written algorithm works out so well.
13:31:44 syv: That's big enough that it'd matter, but at three years she'd already have reached bacon eggs dogs.
13:33:10 syv: Hmm. Actually, can extrapolate bacon eggs dogs cleanly from the anime.
13:34:00 syv: ~100 loops, each of which is about a month.
13:34:12 Devastator: lot more than three years.
13:34:41 syv: At minimum, meguca gets +1 meguca power every loop, and probably gets more than one witch on average.
13:35:53 syv: Maximum power source is instead the total karmic whatever of the entire planet times 100 minus however many loops it takes to get a planet destroying witch.
13:36:13 syv: Mm, nevermind, not cleanly.
13:37:21 syv: Still, I'd estimate that to be somewhere around 70-80 planets worth of karma.
13:37:33 syv: Because by that metric it's a very exponential growth.
13:37:34 Devastator: Sounds like a bunch.
13:39:47 Devastator: also, I'd expect alida's wolf-form to eventually get a bit squishy due to the various personal factors, anyway.
13:40:43 Devastator: hmm, would it be exponential? Just +1 to +3 each go.
13:40:48 Devastator: not multiplying by itself.
13:41:44 Devastator: that's like linear.
13:42:09 Devastator: if meguca goes witch, Homura resets it before the planet is harvested.
13:42:34 syv: She affects more people the bigger her witch is, which makes her next witch even bigger and affecting more people.
13:42:46 syv: Plus it gets harder to stop and more likely to survive longer.
13:43:15 syv: I figure that the karma of people who would have been killed if time weren't reset, that's wrapped up in her karma when the loop happens.
13:44:05 Devastator: ahh. I don't know about that.
13:44:16 Devastator: I'd figure the reset happens immediately before that would.
13:44:20 Devastator: but I can see that PoV.
13:44:33 Devastator: ..also, maybe witches don't get stronger from affecting people.
13:45:25 syv: Else how would familiars grow into witches?
13:46:12 syv: If it were purely the inverse of their wish and actions in life, then there'd be a hard limit on witch lifespan and familiar reproduction would be nonviable because they can only slpit.
13:46:48 syv: But if they consume karma from their victims, that gives them an indefinite lifespan, and allows familiars to grow into witches by consumption of mundane human karma.
13:47:08 Devastator: Maybe only familiars can consume.
13:47:17 Devastator: witches burn down, familiars can go up and then down again.
13:47:56 syv: Plus, a magical girl's fate is what determines her power. Cutebae stated that Madoka's power would be understandable if she were a messiah or something, who affects *many many* people.
13:48:31 syv: ...And consider that this power would be usable *before* that fate came about, being rolled into the wish's power.
13:48:50 Devastator: could be at multiple worlds at the end.
13:49:28 syv: Therefore the people she's destined to affect supply her with some power. And if it weren't for Homura, she'd be destined to affect the entire planet. Arguably more if she looped past the point of "eat the solar system, and survives to go hunt down other planets"
13:49:56 syv: Which does do a good job of justifying why she'd be able to rewrite the fucking universe.
13:51:22 syv: Also, I think from the start there's "multiple" worlds. Since Homura's power is all but explicitly stated to work by hopping into another one and tying their fates together.
13:52:05 syv: Though it's weird and doesn't really make that much sense. Plus it's also kinda depressing, since she basically fucked over a hundred Earths to give Earth #101 a Jesus.
13:52:22 Devastator: didn't happen, time reset. ;-p
13:52:39 syv: And I still hold that by utilitarian logic the ending wasn't a net positive!
13:53:00 syv: Fucking utility monsters are TOTALLY moral!
13:53:22 syv: I only now realize that witches are literally textbook utility monsters, huh.
13:53:57 syv: Only took me three years to realize. Damn this show is too good. >.<
13:55:17 Devastator: so if MG's save lives do they get anything from it?
13:55:36 syv: Maybe we should watch the other anime that Urobutcher wrote.
13:55:58 syv: Yes, they get it when they first make their wish.
13:55:59 Devastator: what was it called?
13:56:38 syv: I watched the first three episodes a yesr or so before seeing PM3, it was decent but hadn't seemed impressive or anything.
13:56:50 syv: Kinda followed a monster of the week format.
13:57:31 Devastator: that could be fine.
14:01:49 syv: I should write a Cabal turn, and you should go to sleep, I think.
14:02:40 Devastator: I slept a bunch already.
14:12:47 syv: Be neat to read a random sci-fi fanfic which has a cutebae cameo where they talk about providing free power sources to races which need it. Have them describe how they're not actually able to meet demand, causing that race to have severe resource wars and other problems. And then have the cute bae reveal how the wraith system works, setting them firmly in a universe post Pink Jesus.
14:15:39 syv: Might then have them ask for money from the (empathic) Federation or w/e, to fund the operation to capture the law of cycles.
14:16:57 syv: Just put it on fanfiction.net right next to the millionth "Homura and Madoka get to be together and not suffer" fic.
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23:09:42 Devastator: Just for asking for that.
23:09:52 Devastator: Also, real deficiency of animal words. ;-p
23:10:12 Devastator: there's one more question, though, how many can I take?
23:24:44 Devastator: eh, I'll just go with a bunch then.
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