00:59:25 ER has joined #einsteinianroulette
01:01:53 Devastator: looks like that third body vanished.
01:04:19 ER: Now I'm suspecting that everyone will be dead by the time sophia and ada get there
01:05:01 Devastator: Maybe. Alida could just run around the ring, being chased by minions.
01:05:24 Devastator: that should hold out a while.
01:07:08 Devastator: Not sure what to do now. Everything's a primary.
01:07:22 Devastator: Maybe just CC and set up a killzone.
01:10:12 Devastator: Last time I had a choice like that I didn't CC and ended up blown away from the waist down.
01:10:17 Devastator: but that was against a witch directly.
01:15:35 Devastator: other choices are to effigy up a third body again while fighting normally, which should be good, or DwR that howl for an ongoing buff.
01:15:57 Devastator: I mean, I don't think the knights would one-shot Alida, and if they do, Berzerker will kick in.
04:01:35 syv has joined #einsteinianroulette
04:24:34 ER: Will Sophia stumble holding an AK?
04:27:54 syv: You have Mob I, right? Even without, just holding an AK shouldn't be all that unbalancing.
05:23:08 Devastator: Oh, just one small question.
05:23:36 Devastator: I remember you saying that Alida's eyes in wolf-form were identical to her human ones because you didn't want like black and white or such.
05:23:37 syv: Just answered it in thread.
05:24:04 Devastator: so.. can I mentally change 'wolf eyes' to 'wolf senses'?
05:24:34 syv: The result is the same in any case, it was the cre roll which let her see things.
05:24:39 Devastator: yeah, it's no difference.
05:24:55 Devastator: Not sure what to do, but that's my problem.
05:25:15 ER: should I plan around instantly getting ambushed by polearm wielding door guards? :thinking:
05:25:41 ER: well, maybe I could sneak past without pumsy screaming
05:26:13 Devastator: they might be off their posts now.
05:27:38 syv: Also, dogs don't see black and white. Red and blue, I think? Or green and blue?
05:28:12 syv: ...Yellow blue, apparently.
05:28:31 syv: Plus grayscale, since that's an additional system to cones.
05:28:57 syv: I know it's recommended to get blue toys for them, because those are much more clearly visible than other colored toys.
05:29:35 Devastator: Still, extremely pleased at the results from bringing Pumsy inside.
05:29:40 ER: are there any animals which see greyscale plus red like that edgy visual style? :P
05:29:57 Devastator: Witch pausing in the process of killing thousands. Buying time!
05:30:12 Devastator: but gonna drop him right now, need mouth free to fight.
05:32:07 Devastator: they have that weird UV vision.
05:32:18 syv: Yeah, but that's not red...
05:33:21 Devastator: no, but they don't see red, which might mean it's all weirdly black.
05:34:08 syv: They're apparently UV, green, and blue.
05:35:54 Devastator: It's not a "real" colour.
05:36:45 syv: Yeah, it's one of the mixed colors that occurs from stimulating different cones in the right pattern, right?
05:37:43 syv: I like stygian blue as an example for fake colors.
05:39:32 Devastator: The howl DwR didn't just sharpen senses, it buffed the wolf, right?
05:40:03 Devastator: think I'll change body #2 and go with that. 2v2 should not be completely outclassed.
05:40:42 syv: IIRC, it was more a sharpening of the senses and body in general. It's a buff, but not a direct strength buff.
05:41:30 syv: It buffs coordination of and between wolf bodies. It's more like a stacking skill buff than a strength buff.
05:41:42 Devastator: should be good then witht wo of them.
05:42:20 Devastator: And might stick around long enough for CC to be used. Although I'm doing the same thing that got Alida whacked last dungeon.. not using CC while in combat.
05:44:06 ER: "What's the meaning of life? Why are we here?"
05:44:12 syv: Yess, this *is* the designed flaw of Bravery's moveset.
05:44:30 syv: Lots of good powers which can only be activated in sequence.
05:44:56 syv: You're obviously a beast with charge, yeah
05:45:43 ER: just clone your soul a few time and be a hivemind so that you can spam primaries
05:46:25 Devastator: Could I do two primaries if I have a full offspring in play?
05:46:56 syv: You could've asked Aleksandra to clone Alida, though~
05:47:03 ER: what *is* an offspring? I never actually understood that power.
05:47:42 syv: Offspring are physical copies of the soul gem.
05:48:21 syv: If you want a metaphysics explanation of how they work, get a creative to take the power and ask.
05:48:56 ER: does that mean that I can get metaphysics explainations of the powers I have?
05:49:10 Devastator: pretty simpleish orders.
05:49:32 syv: Creatives, at least, are specifically *described* as understanding what they're doing when they make offspring.
05:50:28 ER: oh well, eyepatch girl is technically still alive in the john wick X PS AU
05:50:31 syv: Fleshorror class is so OP and unfair.
05:52:07 Devastator: Note to self, going to buy some glowsticks next time.
05:52:22 Devastator: Should have remembered the ending of the last dungeon, where it was dark.
05:53:11 ER: don't worry, I'm prepared for darkness. I'll just fire my guns continually, lighting everything up with the muzzle flash
05:53:34 ER: remind me to supply sasha with a bunch of ammo.
05:53:41 Devastator: There's gotta be a good way to dupe ammo in one of these poewrsets.
05:54:23 Devastator: Man, you'd basically need someone to coach you to deliberately do that.
05:54:26 ER: "My totem is an UMP magazine"
05:54:47 Devastator: I mean, I could see that happening, but someone would have to do that.
05:55:00 syv: Oh, of course. The one true UMP caliber. :P
05:55:04 Devastator: "Look, don't totem up the gun, totem up the ammunition magazine."
05:55:29 Devastator: man, with TM4 you could like have explosive rounds, acid rounds, all kinds of stuff.
05:56:02 ER: Pumsy say "try summoning yout totem, it's probably a weapon!" and moments later you find yourself holding a useless magazine.
05:56:19 ER: the darksign brands the undead
05:56:24 Devastator: of course, with a not-perfect gun it might jam or something, but there's probably ways to make a magically perfect gun.
05:57:24 syv: (Disclaimer: I have not given any thought as to whether absolute faith can function as gun lubricant, I do not recommend planning around this)
05:57:34 ER: man, imagine having a non-weapon totem and not grabbing TM4
05:57:51 Devastator: might just be spending it on other powers.
05:58:07 syv: Imagine having a non weapon totem with TM4, but your totem is a fucking screwdrivee.
05:58:30 Devastator: mmm, 'whatever tool you could possibly want' isn't thaaaat bad.
05:58:37 Devastator: just not much for combat.
05:58:59 ER: hey
syv, if in PS's universe girls don't pick which powers they start off with, then does the universe make sure they tend to be useful power sets or is it totally random?
05:59:22 syv: A screwdriver is not a wrench. It's closer to a wrench than a ribbon, but nor really moreso than a sword.
06:00:11 syv: I mean, I'd probably let it turn into other tools fairly cheaply, because it just sucks otherwise, but still. It's terrible.
06:00:19 Devastator: Mimicry 3 and eating the gun would probably do it.
06:00:36 Devastator: you could then mimic an idealized version of it.
06:00:42 syv: Especially when you already have refuge which GIVES YOU AN INFINITE TOOLBOX.
06:01:42 Devastator: but yeah, just be maintaining it with good innocence and crit succeed that, maybe with someone boosting you.
06:01:48 syv: Mimicry actually probably keeps flaws perfectly, though functionally it'll tend to work better than stuff should because magic. Maybe.
06:01:55 Devastator: that'd probably keep it from jamming until you do something to damage it.
06:01:59 syv: Alternatively--just use an AK.
06:02:04 Devastator: yeah, hence why I said mimicry 3.
06:02:40 Devastator: and if you keep it in stasis while not using it, it won't get damaged.
06:03:30 Devastator: mmm, that'd make me content. Not a perfected version of it.
06:03:40 Devastator: Maybe that should be an innocence power. "Invention" or somesuch.
06:03:47 Devastator: lets you improve stuff.
06:04:15 syv: >hey
syv, if in PS's universe girls don't pick which powers they start off with, then does the universe make sure they tend to be useful power sets or is it totally random?
06:04:15 syv: They technically do subtly choose their own powersets. It's a purely unconscious thing, but powers are more determined by one's own mindset and method of doing things than by random chance.
06:04:27 Devastator: well, it'd definately make you spend soul, so you couldn't abuse it much.
06:05:07 Devastator: dunno what power I'd replace with that. Determination is kinda the Homura power.
06:06:24 ER: ...fills you with determination
06:06:28 syv: There isn't really any in-universe reason why two braves can have zero overlap in which bravery powers they can manifest, but generally levels are supposed to be more refinements of the basic power. An L3 power is the same exact thing as the the L1 power, just with a user who knows how to use it more effectively.
06:06:41 syv: Yeah, Determination stays.
06:07:17 syv: Time Stop would be the most likely power for Inn to lose, probably followed by Refuge. But neither is likely, I really like Inn's setup.
06:07:26 Devastator: I don't see any I'd want to replace. Innocence is fine, if a bit dependant on getting stuff between missions.
06:07:47 Devastator: hmm, Invention as a dark power, that would probably be best.
06:07:54 Devastator: All your powersets are good.
06:09:00 syv: I did consider technopathy originally, but I didn't like how it'd work. It'd be useless in most labyrinths, so you'd still need to drag stuff in to use it on, and most uses of it just don't seem to be that directly helpful in PS. Least not by the depictions of technopathy I've seen.
06:09:30 syv: It'd be ridiculously, massively OP in the real world where computers control everything, and machines are everywhere.
06:10:43 ER: Yeah, I don't really consider things based on so-called "balance" ;p
06:11:15 ER: I just like the LORE of technopathy in Refine's setting, cuz all technology comes from wishes
06:12:01 ER: so it would be in metaphysical terms letting you see and manipulate the shattered and realigned fragments of wishes present in all things manmande
06:12:29 syv: That is both awesome and much more functional.
06:24:32 syvarris has joined #einsteinianroulette
06:24:52 syv has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by syvarris))]
06:42:58 Devastator: mmm, a new Phantasy Star IV TAS.
06:43:03 Devastator: now there's a game I didn't play myself.
06:43:03 IronyOwl has joined #einsteinianroulette
06:43:33 IronyOwl: good, though badly distracted
06:43:37 IronyOwl: working on elves now though!
06:44:10 IronyOwl: it's pretty... interesting actually
06:44:34 IronyOwl: gosh, did he flay you into an empty husk or turn his own intestines into a hostile golem?
06:44:37 ER: I won't see because she'll be flattened by mace chad
06:45:14 IronyOwl: So
Dev, I came to ask why you're trying to make the forge out of only a single bar of metal
06:45:53 Devastator: It's not a requirement, just channeling dwarf fortress with it.
06:46:08 Devastator: no reason to do that necessarily.
06:46:17 syv: Why not make it out of one bar of soap?
06:46:27 Devastator: I don't have any soap.
06:46:30 Devastator: I do have bars of metal.
06:46:40 Devastator: I WOULD have done that.
06:48:15 Devastator: Ahh, reminded at the beginning how the mercenary character extorts people for money to do mercenary things.
06:48:33 Devastator: It's.. refreshing. But damn, when I tried to play that, it got tedious.
06:49:21 ER: wonder if I should purge short elf for shortness
06:50:08 IronyOwl: they also GET BACK TO WORK but here we are
06:50:21 IronyOwl: this is what happens when the candycane candychains are too slack~
06:50:59 ER: hmm, maybe I should talk to shortelf and send santa a drone strike instead
06:51:09 syv: Is this game about Tolkien elves, or Santa's Workshop elves?
06:51:44 ER: it's about... irony elves, I guess
06:52:18 ER: I mean, they're shaped like tolkien elves but tolkien elves are notably not very blood thirsty
06:55:05 IronyOwl: not familiar with overlord elves
06:55:08 ER: well I wouldn't know anything about the game cuz its not weebtrash
06:55:28 Devastator: it's whatever kind of elves you want.
06:55:41 Devastator: I went with a christmas elf because nobody else had.
06:55:54 Devastator: no particular reason.
06:56:11 Devastator: watching a TAS of Phantasy Star IV, Irony.
06:59:41 syv: Youtube recommended to me a three-hour video of LobosJr... cooking.
06:59:56 syv: Like, he streamed himself cooking in an actual real kitchen.
07:01:01 syv: He also clearly does not know how to cook.
07:01:34 Devastator: sounds like a success.
07:11:31 Devastator: should have said before you did.
07:12:13 Devastator: ziizo is not having a good time.
07:12:27 Devastator: that whole encounter..
07:12:48 IronyOwl: the good news is that his opponent is also not having a good time
07:12:49 Devastator: I think someone might have to destroy those two.
07:12:52 IronyOwl: some real three stooges stuff
07:14:13 Devastator: well fuck, the dice have blessed me.
07:15:05 Devastator: cly time to make the crab-monster some armour.
07:15:11 Devastator: which you'd expect it to have naturally.
07:15:15 Devastator: maybe it just wants more spiky bits.
07:15:51 IronyOwl: what it really wants is for its enemies to suffer!
07:16:03 IronyOwl: speaking of which,
ER's problem may have solved itself
07:16:18 Devastator: Yeah, looks like hubris has lead to the inevitable conclusion.
07:16:25 IronyOwl: rolling a 1 with 8 magnitude is nothing to sneeze at
07:16:56 Devastator: also I have a lot of +1s now.
07:17:09 Devastator: probably for the best, 2,3-ish magnitudes seem less hazardous.
07:17:59 IronyOwl: don't get me wrong, a magnitude 8 summon would have been absurdly powerful
07:18:08 IronyOwl: but the tradeoff is that sometimes this happens instead
07:18:23 Devastator: it seems being a fixed point in time is bad.
07:18:48 Devastator: although should be able to fix it, but another one seems likely to lead to death.
07:19:04 Devastator: plus, you get a free shot at his body if you want to kill him before he can return to it.
07:19:51 IronyOwl: it was an impressive enough fuckup to warrant it
07:20:13 IronyOwl: I did that with a few other people too, though not nearly as much
07:22:49 ER: gods, finally I succeeded on a roll though
07:23:06 ER: just in time for it to ?not matter"
07:28:34 ER: how much can I get macechad to do for me on a 5 magnitude 1?
07:29:04 IronyOwl: accept that he should probably own you
07:29:27 ER: I mean, there's nothing wrong with a little bdsm
07:31:39 ER: besides, I'm sure that with a little work I can ammend that relationship to something more beneficial :)
07:31:57 ER: or just stab him at the right time. that works too.
07:34:07 IronyOwl: see? being an elf is easy
07:34:16 IronyOwl: just seduce and/or stab all of your problems at the right time
07:34:43 ER: do I even have to roll to kill her body?
07:34:55 ER: And would doing so remove my annoying curse?
07:35:57 IronyOwl: probably and who knows? :D
07:36:55 Devastator: Also, there are few problems that can't be solved by cannibalism.
07:36:58 Devastator: this might be one of those.
07:36:59 ER: wait, do npcs not get to have xp?
07:37:39 IronyOwl: I eyeball it rather than properly tracking it though
07:37:50 IronyOwl: if I thought I could track an NPC, I'd probably just have another player
07:38:55 Devastator: ahh, reminded that the robot-girl attacks with a big cannon.
07:39:06 Devastator: man, phantasy star lore was weird.
07:40:06 IronyOwl: unless it's slacking off again
07:43:56 IronyOwl: it's pretty functional yeah
07:45:13 Devastator: God the dungeons were just waaay too big. That's why I stopped playing.
07:49:53 Devastator: here's a hint, if you need to put big glowy lines on the ground so people don't get horribly lost, your dungeon is too big.
07:50:32 ER: just give me three room with a boss in one of them. ;P
07:51:07 Devastator: I mean, it was kinda one of the key theming elements, but damn.
07:52:54 Devastator: although it is kinda amusing how well the main character takes "Wait, we're going to space?"
07:54:13 syv: >(
Devastator) here's a hint, if you need to put big glowy lines on the ground so people don't get horribly lost, your dungeon is too big.
07:54:39 ER: though I feel like that works out in Dead Space. ;p
07:54:46 ER: not the same kinda game tho
07:54:48 Devastator: the dungeons in PS IV are just enormous.
07:55:13 Devastator: "Ahh, it's a Dezolian, that's the first time I've seen one."
07:55:23 Devastator: Who the hell taught you what they look like?
07:57:05 Devastator: Ahh, right they normally have communication but no travel capabilities.
07:57:53 Devastator: "We need another spaceship. Quick, let us go explore this grave."
07:58:06 IronyOwl: sounds like adventurers alright
07:58:18 IronyOwl: clearly this corpse-pit is a good place full of good things
07:58:55 ER: which as we all know, are very useful
08:06:02 Devastator: ahh, the cat village.
08:06:06 Devastator: god this game is weird.
08:06:56 IronyOwl: catgirl, cat alien, or just normal cat?
08:10:32 IronyOwl: yeah that looks pretty weird
08:11:57 Devastator: the whole game is weird.
08:19:11 Devastator: sweet jesus, they only get longer.
08:19:25 Devastator: next dungeon starts at 45:34
08:19:49 Devastator: The party reaches the boss at 52:18.
08:20:11 Devastator: and in a normal game you have random encounters every fifteen or so seconds of walking.
08:23:36 ER: might be an idea to go for a +1 in each precept
08:23:51 syv: Oh, I found a DDL for that schoolgirl anime.
08:23:59 ER: because being able to pitch in at least a +1 to pretty much literally anything is v useful
08:24:17 syv: I also realized that the reason there's no dual audio torrents is because no dub exists.
08:26:29 ER: prepare to suffer ten thousand exaggerated anime girl voices
08:27:01 Devastator: and yes, various precepts are good.
08:27:37 IronyOwl: "that schoolgirl anime" is one of the least descriptive things I've ever heard
08:28:15 ER: yes, the more descriptive descriptior would be Airsoft
08:30:32 syv: It's the onlt schoolgirl anime I've mentioned in recent times, so it's descriptive enough.
08:30:59 syv: It's also the most negative trait IMO, and I like using negative traits to describe things.
08:31:10 Devastator: You know, I wonder if there is time to be saveed in that TAS by getting the MC enough levels for another cast or two of the anti-boss spell. It does the most damage and has a fast animation.
08:31:19 ER: how would you describe gunslinger girl then,
syv?
08:32:09 syv: Little girls being used as a dystopian death squad?
08:32:18 syv: It's not a very hatable show.
08:33:54 Devastator: yeah, it should be. Combat rounds are about ten seconds long, and if you got one more cast it'd save about forty-five, fifty seconds through the next four or five bosses.
08:34:15 Devastator: getting the MC 4 more levels for the extra cast should take one random encounter, which is less time than that.
08:35:32 Devastator: Also, he's named "Chaz Ashley"
08:37:31 Devastator: glorious hero, that.
08:38:21 syv: It'd be worse if he were named Bob Ashley
08:38:59 Devastator: "The light from the Aero-Prism is pointing the way to the goal."
08:39:05 Devastator: "But it's pointing beyond the skies!"
08:39:09 Devastator: YOU HAVE A SPACESHIP
08:39:15 Devastator: YOU'VE USED IT LIKE 12 TIMES.
08:40:15 IronyOwl: Ashley XI of Clan Ashley
08:40:39 Devastator: I'm more imagining that it'd be likely for people to start naming their kids "Chaz" after his adventures.
08:40:45 Devastator: so there will be a whole generation of Chazzes.
08:40:51 syv: That's back to being kind of awesome, IO.
08:42:02 Devastator: ...what isn't wrong with being named Chaz?
08:42:05 Devastator: Is that your real name,
syv?
08:42:21 syv: I just don't think it's a bad name.
08:42:34 syv: It's not great, but it's decent.
08:43:01 syv: Don't you know my name,
ER?
08:44:23 ER: yeah yeah, I know that you're actually GWG
08:47:13 Devastator: "A planet has suddenly appeared!"
08:47:20 Devastator: ..wow, that's correc.t
08:50:46 Devastator: maybe bosses scale with the main character's level or something.
08:51:27 syv: Hmm. Paint one half of a planet's surface with vantablack.
08:51:44 syv: Fun prank for an intergalactic civilization
08:52:00 ER: wouldn't that be blacker than what's behind it, actually?
08:52:37 syv: Still probably has some atmosphere, so I don't think so.
08:53:30 syv: But it'd be pretty amusing to make the planet either A) constantly change between visible and invisible to normal vision, or B) be entirely invisible, but only from one side.
08:54:37 Devastator: noticeable that way.
08:54:43 Devastator: "But what use is an invisible planet as a warning?"
08:55:17 syv: I googled it, gravity is blue, according to r/shittyaskscience
08:55:30 syv: Purple according to TvTropes
08:58:20 Devastator: ahh, the recap bit.
08:59:28 Devastator: hero of PS1, Sword-Chick. PS2, Beefcake Squarejaw. PS3, the League of cut-rate bishonens and elfgirl.
09:08:42 Devastator: ahh, I see, it's a glitch. low-level chaz is a glitch being absused.
09:08:44 Devastator: ok, that makes sense.
09:16:11 Devastator: damage is based on int.
09:16:19 Devastator: there's a weapon that reduces his int.
09:22:47 syv has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
09:26:52 syv has joined #einsteinianroulette
09:27:20 syv: If only intelligence worked like that in real life.
09:27:46 syv: Instead of having kids read books and do tests in school, it could just be eight hours of recreational head punching
09:29:11 IronyOwl: do drugs kids, you'll be real dumb til you're real smart
09:32:31 syv: but drugs already make you smarter
09:52:23 syv has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
09:59:44 syv has joined #einsteinianroulette
10:19:11 syv: Just my connection's crap.
10:19:21 syv: You want anything? I'm *effectively* free.
14:05:48 syv has quit [Quit: You hear a distant scream of "FUCK T-MOBILE!"]
22:02:14 ER has joined #einsteinianroulette
22:55:53 Devastator: 'clear diamonds work best'
22:55:58 Devastator: well, good thing someone's got a diamond mine.
22:56:06 Devastator: should be able to buy some.
22:57:09 ER: it is amusing that sleepy elf is totally unscathed while the rest of us fight to the death
23:17:57 Devastator: welp, looks like frienemies it is.
23:32:16 Devastator: should see how many consecutive turns you can use lovemaking. ;-p
23:33:13 ER: It's not the most dignified profession, but we're elves so we're inherently dignified anyway
23:59:27 Devastator: so gotta go meet the Dean next?
23:59:46 Piecewise_: probably, unless you feel like dealing with scatter brained nerds as middle men
23:59:57 Devastator: you want a list of what's on offer?
Log file '2020-05-21.log' ends.
50992 bytes processed.