ERLOG 2020-05-08

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00:10:18 Devastator: good thinking syv
02:31:45 Piecewise has joined #einsteinianroulette
04:16:33 syv has joined #einsteinianroulette
04:39:08 Devastator: heya.
04:39:13 Devastator: heya Piecewise too.
04:39:32 Devastator: you okay with a quick question, or still in fear mode?
04:40:36 syv: heya.
04:40:53 syv: If you're asking me, I am not in fear mode.
04:42:24 Devastator: mostly dubs.
04:44:54 syv: What was the "good thinking" in reference to?
04:45:29 Devastator: Finding a cargo flyer.
04:45:31 Devastator: didn't think of that.
04:49:46 syv: Yeah. Decided it'd be nice to take one of the flying machines just to study, and since I was already worried about carrying capacity with all the loot, I'd want to pile extra stuff on it.
04:49:59 syv: Cargo plane would just be the most useful for that.
04:50:32 Devastator: I also did want a second spirit.
04:50:42 Devastator: plus it'd be something for the painting saeko to do while we're gone.
04:52:13 syv: Think I should try to get it out of the hangar?
04:52:25 syv: A banish spell should be enough...
04:54:38 Devastator: Can't benedict just open the door?
04:54:44 Devastator: and yeah, that'll work if the former doesn't.
04:54:47 syv: Maybe!
04:55:54 syv: Though we prolly want to close all entrances before we leave, and if Benedict forces things that might not be closable.
05:00:57 Devastator: then Saeko summons another steel wall.
05:01:32 Devastator: but no, not going to try to seal everything. Just happy with the room that goes boom if someone fucks with it.
05:03:53 syv: Currently everything's behind doors that open and close with keys, to my knowledge.
05:04:15 syv: Shutting all those at least seems like a good idea--we don't want looters coming along and taking all the stuff.
05:04:15 Devastator: I think there was at least one open entrance, but can't remember possibly.
05:04:17 Devastator: Piecewise?
05:05:43 Devastator: guess he's gone.
05:08:24 syv: Dumb IRC campers.
05:08:34 Devastator: It's fine.
05:08:40 syv: Never disappearing when they leave.
05:08:48 Devastator: I wanted to ask if Saeko could get any mana from the mana drain you set up.
05:09:13 Devastator: if no, going to be bugging Ekrov about doing the painting thing, because for all we have 'unlimited' mana, it isn't unlimited for her.
05:09:21 Devastator: can do that later.
05:12:20 syv: I suspect the mana drain is "loose" mana that anyone can get.
05:12:32 syv: Paint Saeko can nab it, and she should be less capable than Saeko.
05:12:34 Devastator: Yeah, but PW didn't give her any.
05:12:42 Devastator: dunno, maybe not, she's an explicitly magical creature.
05:12:49 Devastator: bet she could drink thaum.
05:13:12 syv: That'd be weird. But maybe.
05:13:22 Devastator: Ekrov and Zavi both have different methods of absorbing, but Saeko's always had to get it from living creatures.
05:13:29 Devastator: ..and can't get it from ones that aren't emotional.
05:13:37 Devastator: or mages.
05:13:39 Devastator: dunno, maybe.
05:13:48 Devastator: Still, PW didn't give her any or answer the question.
05:15:23 Devastator: ..also, you think PW wants us to animate some depiction of the wind goddess? ;-p
05:15:54 syv: I thought she could drain mages. They just need to be emotional.
05:15:57 syv: Nah?
05:16:05 syv: It might be worth doing, though.
05:16:18 Devastator: Yeah, she can drain mages that are emotional.
05:16:21 syv: Painting Saeko had information Ekrov didn't, so wind goddess might be a font.
05:16:24 Devastator: yeah. Maybe we should.
05:17:03 Devastator: Well, after we get back, probably one of the statues is of her, and we can keep that one.
05:19:36 syv: That'd be cheap to animate, too.
05:19:43 Devastator: yeah.
05:20:05 Devastator: plus if saeko is interested in becoming a monster, a statue of a winged goddess might be an inspiration for form.
05:21:57 syv: Mhm.
05:22:07 syv: Should have Ekrov talk about it when we do that.
05:22:20 Devastator: yeah, do want to RP that sometime.
05:22:33 Devastator: maybe now, if you're up for it, although I want to finsih this order.
05:22:38 Devastator: (listing all the loot)
05:25:15 syv: Ehh, sure, if you can start the prompt.
05:25:22 syv: I should get up and find food...
05:36:55 Devastator: how many rifles?
05:37:19 syv shrugs
05:37:50 syv: I think I may have destroyed one for science, but I forget.
05:38:08 Devastator: yeah, I marked that one off.
05:38:18 Devastator: we have over fifty. 40?
05:38:29 Devastator: that's probably about 50kg, which is nothing to Benedict.
05:43:57 Devastator: I was going to add some of yours to the list, but they'd probably fit the moth better.
05:44:21 Devastator: looking at what I listed, it looks like about three or four tons of stuff, which is about Benedict's carrying capacity.
05:44:28 syv: Hrm.
05:44:39 syv: Including crew and such?
05:44:57 Devastator: no, but the crew probably is most of another ton.
05:45:01 Devastator: he is the size of a garage..
05:46:20 syv: And we have ebough junk to fill a garage.
05:46:24 Devastator: Yeah.
05:46:29 Devastator: which seems about right.
05:47:58 Devastator: I think I'll skip the side trip to Lunare, actually.
05:48:02 Devastator: don't ask PW to do more.
05:52:59 Devastator: Posted.
05:58:35 syv: Please change the language so that it's not suggesting your loot is close to max capacity.
05:58:52 syv: "That's probably a bit over Benedict's limit, but the other moth should allow for all that to be carried, plus maybe some more."
05:59:23 syv: A bit over Benedict's, yeah, but I think the moth should *definitely* have more space.
05:59:42 Devastator: fine. I'll change that to 'three or four tons'
06:00:51 Devastator: how about that.
06:01:25 syv: Yeah, much better.
06:01:34 syv: Are you taking keystones?
06:01:47 Devastator: Mmm.
06:01:53 Devastator: Sent the king key back already.
06:01:57 Devastator: I think no, actually.
06:02:24 Devastator: don't want to make it impossible for someone else to re-loot the place should we die, or years down the road. Just keep them out for the next month or two.
06:03:47 syv: Mmm.
06:04:04 syv: Shouldn't be impossible even if we destroyed all the keystones and the teleport rod.
06:04:11 Devastator: Yeah, but that's just being rude.
06:04:26 Devastator: I mean, prices will come way down after we sell this stuff, and us revisiting is going to be for other purposes.
06:05:06 syv: I dunno about you, but there's still a lot of cool junk to loot in there.
06:05:45 Devastator: Yeah.
06:05:51 Devastator: and we can come back via teleport.
06:06:06 Devastator: and most of it is stuff that's useless without the pile of magicoal.
06:06:22 Devastator: ..although there's probably still more around, here and there. We did only one pass, after all.
06:06:34 syv: And the pile.
06:06:53 syv: Not that it's really relevant...
06:07:31 Devastator: yeah.
06:07:34 Devastator: that I do want to keep secure.
06:08:40 syv: ...Should prolly make another textmetal device for PS.
06:10:19 Devastator: Pumsy's?
06:10:24 Devastator: ;-p
06:10:28 Devastator: Nah, probably out of range.
06:10:48 Devastator: we'll be back in a month, and she should be able to manage that from the tap.
06:11:20 syv: No, just to communicate.
06:11:53 Devastator: manage to stay alive.
06:11:57 syv: Guess leaving her with standing orders to study machinery and other things would work.
06:12:53 Devastator: I'm giving her possible orders to refill any dying spirits, along with that ghost charm, btw.
06:14:47 syv: I saw.
06:14:57 syv: I'll give her more, and a robot.
06:15:32 syv: I'm a liiittle surprised you seem okay with leaving her alive now.
06:17:39 Devastator: I'm not really okay.
06:17:57 Devastator: but a living painting is much more different than Saeko, particularly with 'not being able to cast magic'
06:18:37 Devastator: and it's been made explicitly clear that everyone wants her to remain alive.
06:19:16 syv: Heh.
06:19:26 syv: I think you care more than everyone else, as well.
06:19:39 syv: I'm mostly interested for the functional benefit, at any rate.
06:19:55 Devastator: I do, but she might want a favor instead.
06:19:55 syv: She's got a high know stat and is free labour for studying the ruins.
06:20:09 Devastator: 'Help me get stronger'
06:20:11 Devastator: ;-p
06:20:39 syv: And then warning flags go up, and back into the painting.
06:21:25 syv: How would you feel if she were changed into Ekrov?
06:22:35 Devastator: Weird, but less so.
06:23:51 Devastator: ..wasn't it decided to do nothing?
06:24:02 Devastator: no sense in changing that now after she's acceeded.
06:25:42 Devastator: anyway, any other changes to make to that post?
06:28:36 syv: None that occur now, no.
06:28:45 Devastator: mmm
06:30:19 Devastator: okay, guess time to start the prompt.
06:30:49 syv: Mawp
06:31:26 Devastator: posted.
06:31:36 Devastator: setting it at the last night before the last day here.
06:43:34 syv: Posted.
06:49:02 Devastator: Posted.
06:57:05 Devastator: tempted to edit in talking about a 'job' system, but it'd be confusing at this point.
06:59:27 syv: Posfed.
06:59:51 syv: (And yes, I know he's misinterpreting)
07:01:19 Devastator: good stuff.
07:04:06 syv: Throw in a syv when you say posted, so it beeps me.
07:05:22 Devastator: kk.
07:09:55 Devastator: Posted, syv.
07:12:02 syv: Hmmm.
07:12:20 syv: I have not ingested a sufficient quantity of stimulants.
07:12:33 Devastator: yeah. Really, from her point of view it's like changing class.
07:12:37 Devastator: also heh.
07:12:41 Devastator: how many is sufficient?
07:12:45 Devastator: other than 'all of them.'
07:13:02 syv: I am gonna get a can of tea.
07:13:07 syv: That should be quite enough.
07:13:38 Devastator: sure, no hurry.
07:15:10 syv: Tea obtained. Also cat, because she insists I haven't spent enough time with her.
07:17:02 Devastator: just one?
07:17:10 Devastator: which one is this?
07:17:46 Devastator: also, it's a good opportunity for Ekrov to tell her about winged people.
07:18:38 syv: This one is Spots.
07:19:01 Devastator: Spots?
07:19:08 Devastator: Is she spotted?
07:19:18 syv: Of course!
07:19:52 syv: I give cats odd names sometimes, but I don't name featureless cats "Stripey".
07:20:37 syv: And yeah, gonna bring up winged people, just trying to think of how to do it smoothly.
07:20:46 syv: Have a couple emotions I want him to shift through.
07:21:22 Devastator: mmm.
07:35:29 syv: Almost done. Just don't know how to finish the thought in a neat way.
07:35:44 syv: Might be easier to have Ekrov stumble over his words in-character, hrm.
07:38:51 syv: Posted, Devastator.
07:42:45 Devastator: hmm.
07:43:05 Devastator: "I gave you a stick that gives you wings if you break it, just because I wanted people to be safe when riding on that big lug there."
07:44:45 Devastator: Ok.
07:44:47 Devastator: syv
07:44:53 Devastator: what is that cat doing right at this very moment?
07:45:34 syv: Currently climbing on the shelf to my right side
07:45:49 Devastator: ok.
07:45:51 syv: And staring down at me.
07:46:41 syv: Do we still have those sticks, btw? I think I forgot to add it to my sheet if so.
07:47:14 Devastator: Yes we have those sticks. I'm going to assume I can make pre-charged items unless piecewise says no.
07:47:31 syv: They're just single-use wands, basically.
07:47:41 syv: He okayed wands of [cast spell X times]
07:51:04 Devastator: yeah.
07:51:10 Devastator: oh, nifty.
07:51:31 Devastator: not sure where to come by.
07:51:48 Devastator: I mean, it's much more efficient to just be able to do things without having to spend fifty mana buffing before each fight.
07:51:57 Devastator: especially since you'll have to do the same thing again.
07:52:03 Devastator: what point to make.
07:57:49 Devastator: posted, syv.
07:57:52 Devastator: mostly meandering thoughts.
08:00:39 Devastator: I mean, unless you say, "No, don't have wings", going to try it.
08:01:31 syv: Did you or Saeko miss that #krov compared her to a goddess?
08:01:41 syv: Hashtag krov.
08:02:29 Devastator: No, but I think she's deliberately avoiding that topic.
08:02:41 Devastator: no, she's not a goddess, just a mage, but what do you say to that?
08:10:44 syv: The lake adventure was underlake candentis, right?
08:14:32 Devastator: Yes.
08:14:37 Devastator: giant bug mage.
08:21:59 syv: Posted.
08:23:40 Devastator: "You can't just assume you'll win any fight."
08:24:01 Devastator: well, yeah, that's why to do this at all! ;-p
08:25:06 syv: I find it very amusing how Ekrov is basically complaining that she's *too self-sacrificing*, when the actual drive at play here is power-hungry ambition.
08:25:49 syv: Ekrov has pretty much permanently critfailed his sense motive check with Saeko.
08:26:20 Devastator: Heh.
08:26:38 Devastator: well, she is kinda self-sacrificing. And at this point she hasn't decided to be a truly enormous monster.
08:26:41 Devastator: just.. not weak.
08:30:31 syv: She really isn't all that weak, either. D10+4 end, d8+1 spd, d6+1 str. More a tank than a DPS, but certainly not an easy fight even without magic.
08:34:14 Devastator: d4+1 str.
08:34:20 Devastator: removed the str buff with the change.
08:34:33 Devastator: and d10+4 end, but only d8+1 armour.
08:34:56 Devastator: I'm going to do another str buff, but with a more serious spell, try to get to d8 with just one.
08:36:39 Devastator: Also, JRPG fighters are the last to go down.
08:37:53 syv: The last sheet you posted has d6+1 str.
08:38:07 syv: Ekrov isn't working off JRPG logic. :P
08:38:52 Devastator: dammit, gotta fix that.
08:39:02 Devastator: Telling him that right now.
08:39:19 Devastator: posted syv
08:40:08 Devastator: also, walked back the test grow, so she's been retconned to being pretty tiny.
08:40:27 Devastator: Ekrov should be taller than she is.
08:41:50 syv: Was very briefly confused at the crimson RP.
08:42:32 Devastator: Hmm.
08:42:35 Devastator: maybe I should mix some of that in.
08:42:38 Devastator: touch of evil style.
08:51:51 syv: Posted.
08:52:02 Devastator: yeah, though, it isn't, all the way right now, it's just 'lets go for the next step'. At each step. ;-p
08:52:06 syv: I think suddenly putting in crimson text would be a bit much.
08:52:20 syv: Too edgy.
08:52:46 Devastator: Hmm.
08:52:47 Devastator: gold text?
08:53:28 syv: If you want to give Saeko a speech color I wouldn't disagree, spedch colors are strict upgrades.
08:54:21 syv: Gold would be decent, I use #DFC600 for PS, due to okay-ish visibility in both forum skins. It is kinda poor for default, though.
08:54:41 Devastator: I hate colored speech, find it a pain to read. Usually end up hilighting it.
08:54:52 Devastator: but, eh, can do so I guess.
08:54:56 Devastator: what colour would you want?
08:55:04 Devastator: DFC600, eh?
08:55:06 Devastator: maybe after this time.
08:55:19 syv: If you dislike it then don't.
08:56:03 syv: For me, it's an upgrade since I don't need much contrast for text. Which is why I use it so heavily in PS.
08:56:29 syv: And yeah. It's a few steps darker than... goldenrod, I think.
08:56:31 Devastator: ok. Maybe I'll change it after a couple of steps.
08:56:49 Devastator: because bigger lungs or whatever.
08:57:25 syv: Could do bold + color, that might enhance visibility.
08:57:33 syv: Or color + contrasting glow.
08:57:59 Devastator: ugh, glows.
08:58:06 Devastator: glows are usually worse, but maybe.
08:58:44 syv: Usually glows are a close color, which makes the letters look blurry.
08:59:30 syv: But if it's a strongly opposite color, it has more of a highlighting effect. For me. And it rarely looks *good*.
08:59:38 Devastator: mmm.
08:59:40 Devastator: Posted.
09:00:08 Devastator: you know, I did get those words at random. Was kinda grumbling to PW about having not found any in a year, and having no idea where to look for them.
09:00:33 Devastator: maybe he threw them because I wanted a pet.
09:00:49 Devastator: was going towards Candentis to get a familiar at that time.
09:01:00 syv: I guess PS' char sheets are near unreadable for you at parts. Power lists are color+glow in the same shade.
09:01:09 syv: Oh well.
09:03:10 Devastator: I hilight them.
09:03:22 Devastator: they're not that bad.. no dark red or something like that.
09:03:33 syv: I'm pretty sure Dubs doesn't ever choose words like that.
09:04:12 syv: None of them are too dark, I tried to find colors that worked in both darkling and default.
09:04:39 syv: Which is a little sad because I like dark colors, but probably more appropriate to a magical girl game.
09:05:16 Devastator: it's fine.
09:05:19 Devastator: can do that for witches.
09:05:28 Devastator: A shame there's no invisitext tag.
09:11:00 syv: Posted.
09:11:08 syv: There's plenty, actually.
09:11:15 syv: [Color=transparent] is the simplest.
09:11:51 syv: There's a number of ways to embed hidden text so that it doesn't even appear, too.
09:13:10 Devastator: XKCD won a Hugo for Time.
09:13:33 syv: Hmm?
09:13:40 syv: Is that new?
09:14:30 Devastator: no, it won it in 2014
09:14:32 Devastator: didn't know that.
09:17:58 syv: I knew it had won awards.
09:21:17 Devastator: mmm
09:27:08 Devastator: I don't remember how much I wrote about the plot for Saeko's adventure.
09:27:22 Devastator: did I give the final boss any kinda fixed form?
09:27:27 syv: "Alternatively, it could be taken as evidence that the bread-shelled turtle has an extremely high energy, and so does not exist under typical conditions of our universe."
09:27:32 syv: Not that I recall.
09:32:42 Devastator: posted syv
09:54:46 syv: Posted.
09:58:05 Devastator: Ahh, crazy JRPG character. ;-p
09:58:10 Devastator: maybe I should have done someone different, but it's fun.
09:59:26 syv: Yeah.
09:59:47 Devastator: posted.
09:59:49 Devastator: I think that's it.
10:00:06 syv: I like Ekrov's perception of Saeko. I've grown more eager to see her become villainous, because I want to write his responses and justifications.
10:00:32 syv: Yeah, that's a good end.
10:00:46 syv: https://twitter.com/TruePrimal/status/1255258879623139328
10:00:55 Devastator: 'In an interview, Munroe stated that he "never got past the initial mental image" of the question "How cold would your teeth have to get in order for a cup of hot coffee to make them shatter on contact?"'
10:01:00 Devastator: well, one step at a time.
10:01:44 Devastator: also mmm.
10:02:00 Devastator: I'll do step one after delivering the city core.
10:02:16 Devastator: no sense in having goddess-wings before talking to the breakers, they might object.
10:02:40 syv: That's a good question.
10:02:45 syv: I want the answer now.
10:03:20 syv: Is there any such temperature?
10:04:38 Devastator: There absolutely would be.
10:04:47 Devastator: and I don't want to think about it.
11:29:44 Devastator: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/weak
11:41:51 syv: You've linked that one before. It's good, though.
11:44:03 syv: Thought: Instead of programming sapient AI, just create robots capable of abusing speak-with-dead artifacts to ask dead people how to do the menial labor tasks they have.
11:44:48 syv: No allowing dead souls to possess your robots, just having robots spam dead people with questions.
11:52:30 syv: If speak with dead allows two-way information transfer, you could teach dead people to answer tech support questions and use them as unpaid labor.
11:52:49 syv: Or just teach living people, then kill them.
12:16:34 Devastator: that sounds indistinguishable from ER.
12:20:40 syv: I said no sapient AI!
12:20:48 syv: Wetware is still AI.
12:21:08 syv: ...Also, I don't recall tech support being in ER.
12:29:42 Devastator: the players were the tech support.
12:34:32 syv: Yes, troubleshooters, in the Paranoia sense of the word.
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12:52:13 er: Hi
12:52:23 er: Still on?
12:55:20 Devastator: for a few minutes.
12:56:40 syv: Forawhile.
13:06:10 er: Okay
14:38:32 syv: Hey, ER, did you want anything?
14:39:01 syv: ...Hrm. Actually, this chain of events would imply a PM conversation with Dev.
14:39:13 syv: Now I feel excluded. Aww.
14:43:02 er: Nope
14:43:36 syv: Huh. Then what'd you pop in for?
14:43:40 er: I was just sleepy from waking up. And then I went and had breakfast
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14:44:09 Elastic_Ridicule is now known as ER
14:44:15 ER: to say hi
14:44:24 syv: Aww.
14:44:39 syv: Well, hello Eggo Ragu.
14:44:46 ER: my mouse is out of batteries
14:45:04 syv: That's unfortunate.
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14:45:40 ER: who that
14:46:10 RadioControlled: Hello there cats of my neighbor who are so, so fat and yet look so, so happy.
14:46:44 ER: I'm not fat
14:46:47 ER: feed me more
14:47:12 RadioControlled: Hmm.
14:47:17 RadioControlled: Want a carrot?
14:47:27 ER: yes
14:48:00 RadioControlled: <==#
14:48:52 RadioControlled: There, that's sorta very vaguely carrot-shaped.
14:49:01 ER: [insert "that's a penis" gif here]
14:49:45 RadioControlled: Well, anything remotely phallic-shapd will look like one in emoticon form, yes.
14:49:57 RadioControlled: Unless you think you can do better?
14:50:28 ER: Search Results
14:50:28 ER: Web Result with Site Links
14:50:28 ER: ??
14:50:41 ER: sadly, irc does not support emojis
14:51:06 RadioControlled: I guess a big ascii art could do in a pinch.
14:51:33 RadioControlled: But whether that'll look even remotely carrot-shaped in your particular irc client is up in the air.
14:52:19 syv: It won't in mine, at least.
14:52:33 syv: Yay mobile, protecting me from phallic vegetables.
14:53:03 RadioControlled: Curses, foiled again by rudimentary technology.
14:53:18 RadioControlled: This is the sharp stick scenario all over again.
14:54:05 ER: hold on, I gotta go grab a AA
14:55:36 RadioControlled: Hey syv, in DIG, perhaps trying to cut the possessed person with a black flame would so more damage to the demon without cutting up the person? Or are you just trying to test out that sweet dual wielding?
14:55:57 syv: I don't want to lose an arm.
14:56:10 syv: I recall that happening once when someone hit a daemonhost with a black fpame.
14:56:23 syv: Also, yes, dual-wielding.
14:56:24 RadioControlled: Oh, really? Huh.
14:56:38 syv: First mission, Caellath I think?
14:56:41 syv: Or maybe that was Kara.
14:57:00 RadioControlled: I wonder if that was due to the black flame effect, or due to being close to the demon as it got banished.
14:57:01 syv: The shang-gei diver got possessed and then someone forgot their arm existed.
14:57:24 syv: Well, cutting Rhea with a black flame would entail being close to the demon as it got banished.
14:57:38 RadioControlled: Hmm, I must admit I don't recall that event.
14:57:41 syv: Someone should make a crossbow with black flame arrowheads.
14:58:04 RadioControlled: True, but for the murakamos you also need to get pretty close, no?
14:58:15 RadioControlled: And yes, I looked into blach flame crossbow bolts in the past.
14:58:51 RadioControlled: Unfortunately is seems it might not work though.
14:59:32 RadioControlled: [10] You assume that the flame could probably be used against beings of Akhmah, though there might be built in limitations on that, just for the sake of people not doing it accidentally. The flames are also supposed to be used as normal knives so they clearly have some "intent" sensing built into them."or
14:59:47 RadioControlled: "That, you have no idea over. It would depend on the "wording" of the original dive. If you had to guess, you'd say that it probably has to be held by the person with the intent. But thats just a guess."
15:00:42 syv: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171120.msg7829603#msg7829603
15:00:42 ER: why not just make your own En crossbow bolts you lazy wizard
15:00:46 RadioControlled: So, somewhat likely it won't work based on this, but it might.
15:00:49 syv: This is what I was thinking of, but is different.
15:00:53 syv: That was a dive.
15:01:05 syv: So hum, will rethink.
15:01:37 ER: cael's character lost his hand to his black flame back in the crystal city. that's how we know they're En-enchanted in the first place
15:01:55 syv: Here we go: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=554a96d69843c516d665e6a4994c66a6&topic=171120.msg7806668#msg7806668
15:02:11 syv: But that wasn't *quite* a daemonhost stab.
15:02:27 RadioControlled: Well ER, because: "It definitely uses En, though anything beyond that is a guess. If you had to guess, it is quite a simple dive that causes a very powerful En working to be placed on whatever it is stabbed into with intent. One powerful enough to erase whatever its hit with from existence, forcing the rest of reality to change around it."
15:02:27 ER: yes
15:02:36 RadioControlled: "Its construction is probably quite simple, but it is still a highly dangerous dive considering how many times it must be reinforced."
15:03:12 RadioControlled: so yeah, could do it, but it would require a difficult dive.
15:03:27 ER: I don't understand PW sometimes
15:03:27 syv: Man, Moku was remarkably hazardous.
15:03:40 ER: this is a starting item, presumably very accessable
15:03:41 RadioControlled: Which on its own could go wrong, summoning demons, creating a hilarious and vicious circle.
15:03:43 syv: Also, huh. That's actually a really smart decision on his part.
15:03:49 RadioControlled: Yeah, 3 tokens.
15:04:06 RadioControlled: Fathoms. Whatever.
15:04:53 RadioControlled: One thing I considered is to try and enchant a ranged weapon to have the En effect instead of having to enchant all the ammo itself.
15:05:12 RadioControlled: Or, if it has to be the ammo, to make a bolt that is very sturdy and can be retrieved easily.
15:05:58 ER: well, black flames seem to erase themselves too
15:06:07 RadioControlled: Maybe we could at least tie the black flame to the end of a stick or something.
15:06:29 syv: But yeah. Stabbing Rhea with black flame = risk to Nyw. Beating/slashing Rhea to death = safe Nyw.
15:06:46 RadioControlled: Assuming that doesn't run afoul of the 'held by the person' part.
15:06:56 syv: IC Nyw's just dumb, but OOC I don't really care about Rhea's well-being and do care about my char's ability to dual-wield.
15:07:04 RadioControlled: Oh yeah, if you think this is safer then go for it, just wanted to point it out.
15:07:52 RadioControlled: Once the portal knives project is done, or at least the first set is done, that's another thing to get working on, this shit happens way too often. :v
15:10:09 ER: oh yeah, Unavowed is quite good, as I thought.
15:10:49 ER: I tried Slap City but my muscle memory isn't right.
15:10:54 syv: Yay
15:11:15 RadioControlled: Is slap city that smash bros parody?
15:11:26 ER: parady? I don't see that...
15:11:40 syv: Knockoff, I think.
15:12:02 syv: Was initially just gonna go with Bloodstained, but then thought I should get one of the weird story things that I couldn't understand the appeal of.
15:12:02 ER: "platform fighter" ;P
15:12:11 syv: Unavowed had high ratings so I chose it.
15:12:19 RadioControlled: Webcomic?
15:12:22 syv: :P
15:16:48 RadioControlled: By the way, what is your intention with that gaggle of new NPC's you recruited?
15:17:27 RadioControlled: Just wanted to have some meatshi- erm, helpers?
15:18:58 syv: Recruiting NPC followers has just become a minor side goal for me in Dig. It's an arbitrary challenge that may have some use.
15:19:15 syv: I figure they might be useful as labourers at some point.
15:19:27 RadioControlled: Heh, okay.
15:19:47 RadioControlled: Are you sure some of the new ones won't pose a problem though, ex-cult members that they are?
15:19:57 syv: Nope!
15:20:36 syv: I do hope our vault is secure enough that they can't just grab all our money and walk out.
15:20:56 syv: So if they steal anything, it'll be a fun sidequest to go retrieve their head.
15:21:51 RadioControlled: We, uh, don't really have a vault yet...
15:22:05 syv: That seems like a mistake.
15:22:12 RadioControlled: So all our moolah is in that unspecified hammerspace team funds usually are.
15:22:27 RadioControlled: Yeah, one thing we discussed on the discord before is to maybe bu a vault soon.
15:22:37 RadioControlled: We should have the funds for it now.
15:22:58 syv: Well. If it costs more than 700, you can put an IOU from Nyw inside.
15:25:01 RadioControlled: You already donated more than enough to the team fund I'd say, since if you also had taken 1500 fathoms then nothing would have remained from the drug bust reward.
15:25:32 RadioControlled: And we should have more than enough to afford it, assuming people don't really really want some other expensive doodad more.
15:25:59 syv: That's why I listed 700, that's how much I donated to the team fund.
15:26:39 syv: I've been trying to put more in than I cause to be removed, primarily because that way I don't have to pay any attention to our economics. :P
15:27:00 RadioControlled: What, you don't -like- space accounting?!?
15:27:19 syv: I liked making sod numbers go up.
15:27:33 syv: Beyond that, no, wikia is a chore.
15:28:12 ER: print sod brain, put in sod body
15:28:17 RadioControlled: Heh. Sod numbers go up, up, up!
15:28:38 syv: Ahh, those were the days.
15:28:44 syv: They were completely useless.
15:28:47 RadioControlled: Wikia is fairly easy though, at least. And more organized than a big google docs document, imo.
15:28:54 syv: But still wonderful.
15:29:05 RadioControlled: you know, useless as some of those side projects were, I still look back on them fondly.
15:29:13 syv: Oh, yeah, it's pretty much the best solution next to having one guy track everything.
15:29:18 ER: what do you mean they're useless, they're supposed to be supersoldiers~
15:29:21 syv: Yeah.
15:30:20 RadioControlled: They helped out during Hep defense, if nothing else.
15:30:28 syv: I mean they didn't exist. Dubs gave me numbers for how many sods could be produced, which I then tracked in detail, and it would have left us with tens of thousands of robotic supersoldiers if he actually went with it.
15:30:53 RadioControlled: Could have been useful if the game had continued along the planned trajectory.
15:30:55 syv: Mostly he just treated it as a binary resource; "we have sods".
15:31:20 RadioControlled: True though, the granularity was probably more than he would ever give consequence to.
15:31:41 syv: Eh, like most of the things he answered offhandedly in the Hep thread, if he treated it seriously it would've been broken as hell.
15:32:31 syv: Tinker, as it often was, was cancerous to the actual game's balance. A terribly engaging and fun cancer, but a cancer all the same.
15:32:35 RadioControlled: I'm imagining they could have been used as background forces if we had invaded some of the more defended planets. The exact numbers still probably wouldn't have mattered though.
15:32:43 syv: Yeah.
15:32:55 RadioControlled: Aah tinker.
15:33:22 Piecewise: PW is bad at balancing yet he keeps making situations where he has to balance things on the fly! What an idiot.
15:33:27 RadioControlled: Like any good addiction worth its name, you know you shouldn't, but you can't help yourself. :p
15:33:49 syv pats Piecewise
15:33:59 syv: Don't worry, we still love your games.
15:34:11 ER: don't worry, I get my fill of tinker from Whisperling now
15:34:20 ER: and it's *perfectly* balanced, I'm sure
15:34:41 syv: This is the game where you can inject people into yourself to become buff, right?
15:35:10 Piecewise: Tags: Muscles, Inflation, Vore
15:35:11 RadioControlled: Honestly, that "held together with duct tape and arbitrariness" is a trademark of yours by now.
15:35:19 ER: um, maybe?
15:35:24 RadioControlled: Might as well lean into it.
15:35:50 Piecewise: I can't! Its held together with duct tape. It won't hold my weight~
15:35:51 syv: Shoo, go back to sadpanda. Don't bring those horrors here.
15:36:20 Piecewise: "inject people into yourself to become buff" sounds like a weird fetish thing
15:36:21 RadioControlled: Load-bearing rules patches.
15:36:23 Piecewise: won't lie
15:36:24 ER: why is the panda sad
15:36:38 syv: True.
15:36:58 syv: But I recall this being explained to me as an actual strategy. Probably by Dev, if it wasn't Egan.
15:36:58 ER: it's just normal soul eating, I don't see the problem here
15:36:59 Piecewise: My games are the house that the simpsons built for Flanders eh?
15:37:02 Piecewise: About right
15:37:12 ER: you envelop their soul in your soul, and then you eat them
15:37:46 RadioControlled: Darn-diddely-right you are.
15:37:58 ER: it won't make you more buff though. Just make your soul more powerful. Probably.
15:38:19 RadioControlled: Or give you soul indigestion.
15:39:20 Piecewise: Gotta do that Souls thing where the more souls you are, the bigger you get
15:39:40 ER: beeg
15:39:43 Piecewise: which considering souls are currency, would be quite strange in a real world application
15:40:01 RadioControlled: Professional sumo wrestlers, a sought-after delicacy.
15:40:41 Piecewise: "And here comes Jeff Bezos, crushing city blocks underfoot"
15:41:33 syv: Oh, Dubs.
15:41:44 syv: Dev was gonna ask you for pictures.
15:41:50 syv: Something about anime tits.
15:41:50 RadioControlled: ~
15:42:02 syv: No need for the tilde.
15:42:11 RadioControlled: Oh hey the tilde was prophetic.
15:42:12 ER: it is what it is
15:42:39 RadioControlled: The tilde of whimsy does lose some of its luster if you just blurt it out like that.
15:42:55 ER: ~
15:43:34 syv: Anime tits~
15:43:58 Piecewise: I think what he was saying is that the character is either tall enough to have their face right at boob height for others, or vice versa
15:44:08 ER: explain.
15:44:27 Piecewise: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k377yf01wXY/SvFVmmRPJOI/AAAAAAAAEzg/7Veld6pxAN4/s400/looking_boobs.jpg
15:47:20 ER: I require context
15:47:49 RadioControlled: Man short.
15:48:05 RadioControlled: Wo-man less short.
15:48:16 syv: https://i.imgur.com/uhJpSBQ.jpg
15:48:38 RadioControlled: Image is broken for me, huh.
15:48:57 syv: I'll find a mirror, one sec
15:48:59 RadioControlled: Fixed it.
15:49:21 ER: I understand the idea
15:49:24 RadioControlled: Ah, Oglaf.
15:49:29 ER: but why
15:49:41 RadioControlled: Genetics, mostly.
15:49:47 RadioControlled: Nutrition as well.
16:00:02 Piecewise: Hmmm
16:00:07 Piecewise: I need two more poisons
16:02:11 syv: Toxoplasma gondii, and... mint.
16:02:29 RadioControlled: I'm gonna go grab some food.
16:02:38 RadioControlled: Laters gators.
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16:03:12 ER: bring me some
16:03:33 syv: It's illegal to traffic in gators without a license.
16:06:34 Piecewise: Yeah
16:06:42 Piecewise: need a drivers License I think
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22:55:22 ER: "Engaging exposition mode!"
23:08:05 ER: unseelie fae kidnaps a baby to raise as his own. Unknown to the fae, the kid is a fire mage.
23:13:41 ER: this game is a good book~
23:15:45 Devastator: so.. fire elf?
23:15:51 Devastator: Also, NG missed Alice in Wonderland.
23:34:40 ER: heh
23:34:54 ER: that twist wasn't entirely unexpected, but I DO love it
23:39:30 Devastator: hmm.
23:39:38 Devastator: heya Piecewise.
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