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01:55:39 Devastator: got some stuff to talk about for the political issues.
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03:53:57 Devastator: I'll have secrets for you too.
03:55:27 Devastator: yeah, you have your building completed this turn.
03:57:56 Devastator: Also having fun with a rando three-star general who happens to be a generic spearman.
03:58:15 Devastator: who also has 'poor attacker'.
03:58:21 Devastator: must be why he went for not riding a horse.
04:12:51 IronyOwl: I have learned many secrets about our performance
04:13:41 IronyOwl: the short version is don't worry about the loss, worry about accumulating so many losses that victory becomes impossible
04:14:28 ER: can we just build more cities? :P
04:14:39 IronyOwl: I asked
Dev he said probably not :[
04:15:14 IronyOwl: you got your question answered by
Dev, right?
04:15:25 ER: pull an
ER and go colonize other universes becuse this one is cly doomed
04:15:44 ER: [20:45] <
Devastator> The Kaiju come from an alternate dimension, one of those 'occupying the same space, but in a different direction' dealies.
04:15:45 ER: [20:46] <
Devastator> They are sorta manufactured and sorta grown on a complex production line not too unlike your own workshops.
04:15:45 ER: [20:47] <
Devastator> They arrive in the ocean through an unknown method, but water is used because of the physics of dimensional travel.
04:15:45 ER: [20:48] <
Devastator> That should be enough.
04:16:15 IronyOwl: I was suspecting the aliens were already on earth and chilling out under the sea
04:16:25 IronyOwl: clearing out those surface areas for being dangerous and unsightly
04:16:55 IronyOwl: hopefully unrelated, I'm planning another game so you can commit more atrocities :3
04:24:08 IronyOwl: unfortunately it's becoming overcomplicated again :3
04:44:51 Devastator: also yay, game crashed after the enemy showed me I messed up.
04:46:38 Devastator: so I get to go fix that.
04:53:40 Devastator: ahh, I see what happened.
04:53:50 Devastator: Meeting engagement, attacks crossed each other up.
04:53:59 Devastator: so some units got in the wrong battle.
04:54:16 Devastator: hmm, means I need more dudes, so will take another turn.
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05:46:55 Devastator: I'll have the turn reports written up.
05:47:26 Devastator: just had to get irony here for his political bonus info.
05:54:13 Devastator: thanks for the feedback.
05:57:25 Devastator: I'll fix the its but the rest I'll just try to keep in mind.
05:59:32 syv: Be... "less complete", I think.
05:59:57 Devastator: yeah, some of that. If I'm writing with more flavor don't necessarily include everything that happens.
06:00:41 syv: I wouldn't mind anime, if
ER shows up.
06:01:16 syv: Eva's pretty good, if odd. It has a... charisma, about it.
06:22:36 ER: can watch with you guys in a bit
06:32:23 syv: His waist is super weird, he's got way too many legs, but they're all tiny.
06:32:50 syv: Wonder if they're growths, or incomplete assimilations.
06:36:50 Devastator: dammit, gotta stop at the NERV logo flash screen.
06:36:52 ER: man, isn't it weird that multiple languages exist?
06:37:28 Devastator: jargon jargon jargon. ;-p
06:37:54 syv: This super anime comedic junk really seems weird considering some of the other content of the show.
06:38:09 syv: It acts as narrative foil, I guess?
06:38:17 Devastator: we all know it's going to end horribly.
06:38:19 ER: I like weird dissonence to go with my innately werid things :P
06:39:19 Devastator: I gotta do that to Ada. ;-p
06:39:31 Devastator: (Nah, not comparable.) ;-p
06:39:54 Devastator: ahh, video game stores, those were the days.
06:40:04 Devastator: ugh, gotta remember to support my local bookstore.
06:40:42 Devastator: ..yeah, that would work.
06:40:49 Devastator: are they going to screw it up by engaging with an EVA?
06:41:15 ER: or maybe this is a roadside picnic time :P
06:42:02 Devastator: Scored his first point of dread!
06:42:45 Devastator: "You activated my trap card!"
06:42:49 ER: so the plugs have thrusters so that they don't dent the road?
06:43:01 Devastator: I suspect it's so it can be pulled.
06:43:06 ER: time to get dragged into hell!
06:43:06 Devastator: Damn, the VA did some good work there.
06:43:17 Devastator: that's really pretty impressive horrified screaming.
06:44:21 syv: The angels just keep getting more OP.
06:44:31 Devastator: Another move I won't do to you.
06:44:35 Devastator: although.. I don't know what it id.
06:44:49 Devastator: I mean, I might have some kinda eraser weapon.
06:45:43 Devastator: "Gendo's going to make me give the big room back."
06:47:21 Devastator: Yeah, don't think I could hold out that long.
06:48:35 Devastator: dammit, even if that's true you don't say it. You try anyway.
06:48:37 syv: Desynced, had to pause because job
06:50:07 Devastator: So.. hallucination or mindfuck?
06:50:36 Devastator: ahh, gendo, twisted even in this situation.
06:51:07 syv: I love this bit about the varied Shinjis that exist.
06:51:26 Devastator: WE ARE ALL THE REAL SHINJI IKARI.
06:54:42 Devastator: Also, his mother is apparently named Yuri.
06:54:44 ER: fuck your power constraints
06:58:44 ER: even the ending song went a little mindfuck
07:01:27 syv: ...I guess I bet she's a she, too.
07:01:56 Devastator: I'd bet the opposite.
07:02:11 Devastator: and Shinji's part angel.
07:02:19 syv: Nah, there's a clear gender bias for females. 66% so far.
07:03:03 Devastator: That would be true, but I'm not sure if there's time enough for another contributor.
07:03:11 Devastator: it might simply be a support character.
07:03:25 Devastator: in which case anime law requires a guy to be the MC's best friend.
07:03:29 syv: Nah, they've gotta be plotty.
07:04:20 syv: Hah, perfect timestamps that time
07:04:39 syv: This is aa very dumb thing to be proud if.
07:04:49 Devastator: It's perfectly cromulent.
07:05:28 Devastator: you know, it's getting to me now. I'm going to call a break after this ep to read that logo.
07:05:35 Devastator: I can't get it through the flash screens.
07:05:48 Devastator: might have missed it.
07:06:07 syv: ...Maybe problem with the torrent.
07:07:13 ER: that said "the fourth qualified individual"
07:07:14 Devastator: "Yes us. I'm totally not planning on screwing you all."
07:07:41 syv: I'm betting that Ikari *is* on the side of humanity.
07:07:51 Devastator: I'm betting that Ikari is on the side of Ikari.
07:08:04 syv: He might have a very twisted idea of what's good for humanity, but I don't think he's selfish.
07:08:23 Devastator: seems pretty selfish to me.
07:08:45 Devastator: 'everything is okay so long as it fulfills my goals.'
07:10:01 syv: If "my goals" are selfless, then sacrificing everything for them is still selfless.
07:10:36 Devastator: ..no, no it isn't. It's by definition not selfless if everything needs to be sacrificed for them.
07:10:46 Devastator: I don't know about narcisstic. Maybe.
07:11:08 Devastator: ahh, science tubes.
07:12:32 syv: Selfish: "lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure."
07:13:05 syv: If the profit isn't personal, it's not selfish. Though I can't much argue the first, he's a dick.
07:13:13 Devastator: Yeah.. so.. it's selfish to sacrifice everything for the goal, even if the goal would nominally be selfless without said sacrifice.
07:13:52 Devastator: It's that guy, isn't it?
07:14:06 Devastator: Yeah, he sacrifices other people.
07:14:39 syv: That doesn't matter though. He doesn't sacrifice others for his own profit or pleasure, and he does sacrifice his own well-being.
07:14:40 ER: he's willing to sacrifice himself, too
07:14:54 Devastator: Yes, but I'm not sure that isn't the goal.
07:16:33 Devastator: might need to go back to the science tube for another suction session.
07:18:07 ER: hmm, wait, if nerv hq a pocket dimension?
07:18:30 Devastator: Yeah, not been established yet.
07:20:41 syv: Of course he loves melons.
07:21:01 Devastator: big ones, small ones..
07:22:41 syv: It *better* have a big-ass gun.
07:24:50 ER: ah, maybe that's why she's an actual character
07:26:24 Devastator: going to read the NERV logo.
07:27:20 Devastator: "God's in his heaven. All's right with the world."
07:29:41 syv: Half a leaf for the top half of the logo.
07:30:35 Devastator: Half Leaf 3 confirmed.
07:30:39 syv: Seven rainbow eyes a bit after.
07:30:47 syv: Right before a smiling Gendo.
07:31:04 Devastator: There's also a frame of red on red longer-haired shinji right after the screen of Absolute Terror Field.
07:31:29 syv: And an old dude with a Geordi mask
07:31:41 Devastator: I think we've seen that guy before.
07:34:12 Devastator: I suspect that some of the plot stuff is the writers having fun stringing together nonsense.
07:39:26 Devastator: 'so called second impact'
07:43:27 syv: I'd like this guy a lot more if he weren't so sexist.
07:44:54 ER: ah, some of the voices in the background here are english
07:45:22 ER: stop saying it's impossible for an eva to operate without power
07:45:32 ER: you've seen them do it like, five times
07:45:33 Devastator: I mean it's happened what, six times now?
07:45:48 syv: I was *feeling* like he would just die immediately.
07:48:08 ER: so, turns out, american evas are faulty!
07:48:48 Devastator: Gendo's probably sabotaging them. ;-p
07:49:42 Devastator: he already did that with the nuclear one.
07:49:55 syv: That wasn't an Eva though, it was a robot.
07:52:35 ER: in this world, it is kill or be killed, shinji
07:52:50 syv: He's actually being strangled, damn.
07:53:58 Devastator: mmm, so that's what the science tube is for.
07:55:30 Devastator: Is this victory, however..
07:55:46 syv: Pyrrhic, but victory all the same.
07:56:27 ER: probably could have disconnected the dummy plug before it crushed the pilot
07:56:36 Devastator: or blacked out the screens.
07:56:50 syv: Blacking out the screens would've been counterproductive.
07:56:57 syv: Shinji needed to see that.
07:57:03 Devastator: That he has no choice?
07:57:27 Devastator: There is always a choice.
07:57:38 syv: Nah, fuck that Disney shit.
07:57:47 Devastator: I'm not talking disney shit.
07:57:47 syv: Sometimes the choice is do or die.
07:57:56 syv: And he doesn't get to choose die.
07:59:43 syv: I'm not doing much of anything else.
07:59:44 ER: sieze this momentum, push on to the task's end?
08:00:08 ER: I'll take that as a yes, then
08:01:49 ER: wonder when we'll see those wings
08:03:20 Devastator: You are willing to sacrifice to the goal?
08:03:26 Devastator: why not sacrifice 'being a dick'
08:03:41 syv: He's got a character flaw, oh my god!
08:03:56 syv: Sometimes, good people are assholes.
08:04:18 Devastator: but nah, it's a demonstration of how he isn't the only person.
08:04:49 Devastator: the moralistic imperative you've laid out is dependant on the idea there is nobody but Ikari.
08:05:09 syv: Eh, we can debate it later.
08:05:13 syv: Wanna pay attention to this.
08:05:18 Devastator: been over it before anyway.
08:05:43 syv: Why let repetition stop a good argument? :(
08:06:02 Devastator: no pulling a jesus on us man.
08:06:06 Devastator: that's not allowed in this organization.
08:07:35 syv: They have the spheres on the ceiling in that room.
08:08:40 Devastator: Sometimes running away isn't 'running away'. It's making a deliberate choice to acknowledge your problems and taking an active step to improve your life.
08:09:11 syv: I'd love to debate this but not during the show.
08:13:31 ER: rip its throat ou-, oh, there goes the head
08:14:20 Devastator: oh, looks like you do have time for a petulant child, Gendo.
08:14:31 Devastator: stop sucking so much and be a leader.
08:15:59 ER: doesn't really care about anything anymore
08:16:42 Devastator: Make that guy commander.
08:16:59 ER: considering part of the job is herding 14 year olds
08:17:19 syv: Gendo's better at Gendo's job.
08:17:19 Devastator: Yup. So put the right person in charge. Someone who wouldn't be here if everyone in the world followed Gendo.
08:17:30 syv: He's just crap at... what's-her-face's job.
08:17:45 syv: Kaji would be a better replacement than her, but he's not trusted for questionable reasons.
08:17:46 Devastator: They promoted what's her face out of what's her face's job.
08:17:59 syv: No, she was just elsewhere.
08:18:02 Devastator: and at some point, the buck stops at the top.
08:19:07 ER: oh no, it's impossible for him to do anything now!
08:20:59 Devastator: looks like you get a worse problem than the one you're trying to prevent! ;-p
08:21:16 Devastator: give it a few eps. ;-p
08:21:44 ER: evas and titans are basically the same thing, huh?
08:22:06 syv: Similar, but titans are dumber I think.
08:22:47 ER: because both the girls are fucking dead!
08:22:50 syv: Wanna debate things now
Dev?
08:22:59 Devastator: It's back to square one.
08:23:03 Devastator: someone chose the wrong goal.
08:23:24 syv: I'm really not thinking this will end well.
08:23:38 ER: I think I'm spoiled on that.
08:24:06 Devastator: Yeah, I know one of the movies deals with a 'fourth impact'.
08:24:12 Devastator: which implies a third one happens.
08:24:27 Devastator: unless they really do count differently in the future.
08:25:37 syv: Maybe they count by rounding in binary.
08:25:53 syv: 1st impact. 10nd impact. 100th impact.
08:31:46 ER: so I'm guessing that's all I get?
11:16:54 ER: a blep is male and a bleb is female
11:17:03 ER: because a blep is a blep with a p
11:20:18 syv: I'm pretty sure blepping is asexual.
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