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02:09:52 syv: In a world of chaos and conflict, one man dreams of more. One man, sees the limits set around him, and works to break them.
02:10:28 syv: Coming this summer, the sequel to world-renowned hit "Punch Many Things"--Punch All Things
02:11:11 syv: But yeah at some point, why is he even hitting people?
02:11:30 syv: When you can just flex and make everyone explode, why bother getting up?
02:12:22 ER: I think he did it like that so that he could avoid killing the people who aren't attacking him
02:12:51 syv: I don't see any survivors...
02:13:48 ER: they're probably further back
02:16:07 syv: I give it 50:50 odds somebody still charges him on the next page.
02:16:29 syv: No clue on the odds of whether they'll be liquified.
02:16:40 ER: is like "ha, think you can punch me?"
02:18:34 ER: twitch is a strange place. I'm watching someone play yoshi's island with his screen covered in gifs and Brainpower is playing while chat spams
02:20:00 ER: there's also the program which chat can use to mess with the game
02:20:58 syv: Ryukahr did some of his hacked in maps in Mario games
02:21:28 ER: he made a hack for SMW about cape flying
02:23:23 ER: yoshi's island was one of my favorite games as a kid
02:31:16 syv: This... actually looks like a pretty fun way to challenge run a game.
02:32:58 syv: Chat adds challenges and spawns and effects and such semi-randomly.
02:33:05 ER: wonder if anyone's set it up for DS
02:34:55 ER: though one of the things they can do is just instakill him, which isn't very fair :P
02:35:22 syv: I've seen Lobos do something *similar*, where he activates CE scripts on command, but he had to manually do it IIRC.
02:36:04 syv: It'd be much harder to do well with DaS, sadly. Lots of the cool challenge runs require modding replacing lots of game files.
02:36:25 syv: Though you could do something like chat chooses your weapon.
02:36:47 syv: But I don't think chat could spawn enemies or effects.
02:45:56 Devastator: is OPM season 3 a go?
02:50:45 syv: Nah, was just commenting on the pic
ER linked
03:00:46 Devastator: also, one punch man season 3 is likely a go.
03:00:52 Devastator: also also working on k-com.
03:01:38 ER: can I build catgirls so strong that they can ohko a kaiju by punching it in the head?
03:02:02 Devastator: you can research basically anything.
03:02:08 Devastator: but some things aren't productive.
03:02:14 Devastator: that's.. gonna take a loong time.
03:06:08 syv: I know it's mathy and difficult, but I'd be curious to hear how long it would take to make an infantry unit with a melee attack capable of oneshotting a kaiju.
03:06:35 syv: I'd also be curious how long it'd take if it's just a single huge size catgirl.
03:06:58 syv: Can we research large size groups of normal infantry?
03:07:12 syv: And would it have any meaningful bonus?
03:07:26 ER: is wair an up-air except you're playing on a keyboard?
03:08:00 ER: larger groups of infantry sounds like something we could just buy, really
03:08:21 ER: it was possible to get a pretty ineffective small size of them, remember
03:08:40 syv: You know, that might actually be a not-wholly-terrible idea.
03:09:02 syv: Infantry serve the primary purpose of getting chunks, and presumably small infantry would count for that.
03:09:07 ER: but yeah, we should totally buy a Huge glob of infantry and give them jetpacks and fusion blasters
03:09:28 syv: So if you're strapped for transport space, having small infantry that serve the main role just as well would be nice.
03:10:23 syv: I am curious whether infantry might benefit from larger unit size, though. Maybe it could give them extra weapon slots? A huge infantry is four times the size, so could have twelve attacks perhaps?
03:10:55 syv: Or maybe it'd still only get three attacks, but they're small or medium class weapons instead, which would get huge buffs.
03:11:01 ER: One reason why my buffed infantry are named butchers is because the role of normal infantry is to cut slices off the corpse
03:11:07 syv: Or maybe they're still just crap.
03:15:08 Devastator: one-shotting a kaiju.
03:15:46 Devastator: at least five years.
03:17:10 Devastator: If you want a large group of normal infantry, take the regular infantry stat line, make it cost 150 or 200, and add one rank in Durability.
03:18:02 syv: Would researching larger infantry carry any benefit?
03:19:16 Devastator: it'd let you make 'small sized' weapons for them instead of 'infantry sized.'
03:19:25 Devastator: or whatever you want from the research, really.
03:20:12 Devastator: If you mean resarching the large group, adding a weapon slot shouldn't be too much to ask.
03:24:48 syv: I presume
ER couldn't switch over to having a large-size nekobutcher platoon instead of a medium one?
03:25:12 syv: While carrying over all his work, I mean.
03:26:24 syv: This dumb cat is ridiculously soft.
03:31:39 ER: but is the soft cat ridiculously dumb?
03:32:17 Devastator: Kevin the dumb cat.
03:32:25 Devastator: He gets one chance to do that.
03:32:29 Devastator: is his lab big enough?
03:32:47 syv: What would be the size requirement? A huge lab?
03:33:53 Devastator: it's by the individual units, so large.
03:34:13 ER: a med lab is supposedly enough to research a med group of infantry, but only a small individual organism
03:34:49 ER: so med lab is enough to build an arbitrarilly large group of small organisms?
03:35:18 Devastator: I'm not making the bioweapon people make individual bacillums.
03:36:16 Devastator: and yeah, that would mean you could use them as cat factorie.
03:37:07 syv: How much
dev time would be required to make an infantry unit that's statistically equivalent to current infantry, but consists entirely of sapient cats?
03:37:19 syv: Not catgirls, just cats with human-level intelligence.
03:37:35 Devastator: I'll work that out later.
03:37:49 Devastator: I suspect you aren't serious about that. ;-p
03:38:21 Devastator: although they'd have hands, so you could call them catgirls. ;-p
03:38:42 ER: whatever the cats in monster hunter are called
03:38:55 ER: those little guys walk around and use weapons iirc
03:40:41 Devastator: hmm, don't remember saying that, but yeah.
03:41:32 Devastator: Yeah, was going to catgirlize Ben, as a threat.
03:41:43 Devastator: I'd apologize for that, but we got PS! ;-p
03:41:56 Devastator: yeah, mostly writing down some quotes before they get lost.
03:42:25 syv: Yes, you "got" PS, a game that updates monthly.
03:42:34 syv: And I'm currently behind on even that/
03:43:34 Devastator: We got through two labrynths.
03:43:43 Devastator: I'd love to see it continue, but there were already good times.
03:44:02 Devastator: AC-130s aren't very good, btw.
03:44:08 ER: hmm, I suppose the AC-130 is slower compared to the fighter jet, but doesn't run out of ammo?
03:44:46 Devastator: Yeah, and less well armed.
03:44:58 Devastator: it's closer to the helicopter.
03:45:26 Devastator: but slower and shorter ranged.
03:45:36 Devastator: it does not run out of ammo, and it does have [extra sensors]
03:46:23 ER: ...and bigger than the heli
03:46:34 Devastator: yeah, but smaller doesn't make anything actually worse.
03:46:39 Devastator: it just makes it much harder to make.
03:47:10 Devastator: at least now. I think I had a small combat adjustment for them very early on in the rules, but that's gone now.
03:49:07 syv: I think there should be a definition of "region" for boats.
03:49:22 Devastator: I'll do those as soon as someone who wants one asks me or someone gets one.
03:49:33 Devastator: I have the list ready.. it's based on the kaiju distribution table.
03:49:53 Devastator: minus all the other fun stuff.
03:50:01 syv: Well, they become a lot more practical if there's only five regions in the world, versus twenty.
03:52:02 syv: Yeaaaah. That might not be too bad, since humans tend to flock around limited areas, and you can get to adjacent regions...
03:52:21 syv: But I highly doubt you can get even 50% coverage with medium speed ships.
03:52:46 syv: Which means we need extra warning to use them well.
03:53:01 Devastator: you can get 100% coverage with medium.
03:53:03 ER: medium speed botes wouldn't be too bad if I can get detection good enough to send them in prep phase
03:53:07 Devastator: you find out what region during the purchase phase.
03:54:02 Devastator:
ER's building is going to get some tactical information and start rolling for PLOT.
03:54:20 syv: The current ships are actually great if we can predict kaiju locations.
03:54:27 syv: Though there is a problem, hrm.
03:54:29 ER: We could, of course, just be rich and build bases everywhere and put slow-medium combat ships everywhere
03:55:19 syv:
Dev, if I have a transport ship stationed in the pacific, with my troops on the atlantic coast, wouldn't that mean I can't transport my troops with that ship?
03:55:47 Devastator: You need your troops to be on that ship for the ship to deploy them.
03:55:55 ER: can we station troops on a stationed transport?
03:56:09 Devastator: Just can't do anything with them while that's happening.
03:56:16 syv: So all troop modifications would have to be done in the purchase phase, no last minute modifications.
03:56:24 Devastator: Yeah, or use a fast bote.
03:56:28 syv: Second problem: boats only deploy on the coast.
03:56:40 syv: Which mean they're on the Kaiju side of the field.
03:56:43 ER: Would that mean we don't need hangers/barracks for the units deployed on ships?
03:58:23 Devastator: I'm assuming that they can take shore leave and what not wherever they are.
03:58:36 Devastator: But.. you'll want them if they get damaged or some such.
03:59:31 Devastator: And.. if they're at your base, they're going to be unhappy about not being let off.
03:59:45 Devastator: ie, no full transports while the transport is here.
04:00:29 syv: Well, that'd suck for infantry, but tankers and pilots don't live in the hangars, do they?
04:01:18 Devastator: No, but the vehicles like being maintained.
04:02:39 Devastator: If they're not stored properly at the end of the turn, probably going to charge extra maintenance.
04:03:33 Devastator: the boat doesn't get that charge, though.
04:03:40 Devastator: just stuff stuck on it.
04:04:10 syv: "Tank, Modern. Medium, 250. A newer, turbine-powered model with improved armour and increased accuracy."
04:04:58 syv: Is that a thing that lore-wise exists but is just irrelevant to fighting kaiju, so it's not in the mechanics?
04:05:26 Devastator: the accuracy differences we're talking about are irrelevant on the scale of kaiju warfare.
04:05:47 syv: Can I have the statline for an A-10? I know I've asked before but I didn't save it...
04:06:04 Devastator: an A-10 Thunderbolt II?
04:06:31 Devastator: no price yet, but it'd basically be an attack chopper with +1 rank in speed, +1 in armour, and +1 in durability.
04:07:46 Devastator: Or maybe not the speed and an extra rank to one of the firepower stats.
04:07:59 Devastator: if you buy one I'll make them for certain, might poke around some for a final answer.
04:08:02 Devastator: but it'll be something like that.
04:17:09 ER: my whole life has been a lie
04:17:14 syv: Lots of people do, I'm good at faking it.
04:17:56 ER: fake it till you stumble your way to success off of other people's stupidity
04:18:31 ER: no wait, other people *gullability*
04:21:32 syv: Buy my crappy planes instead
04:21:45 syv: Literally, the GM just recommended that in a PM to me.
04:21:51 syv: (
Devastator) if someone wants a cheap flyer they should just buy your jets.
04:22:10 Devastator: yeah, or reverse-engineer one of the lower ones.
04:22:16 Devastator: or make a flying technical.
04:22:35 ER: nah, we want an EXPENSIVE flier
04:22:43 ER: which also happens to be infantry
04:25:41 syv: But yeah, AC-130s are *impressively* bad. They're literally worse than artillery.
04:25:54 ER: do they not even have range?
04:26:22 syv: They have less range. Unless
dev changes it. He did say he hadn't finalized the statline yet.
04:26:45 syv: More speed, so in practice might engage faster, and they're fliers, so presumably less AoE risk.
04:27:05 syv: But... like, that's knife edge optimization, and they five times as much.
04:28:17 Devastator: it's ok, even the preliminary estimation will reveal that it's not a good unit once delivered.
04:28:19 Devastator: should the person buy one.
04:28:58 syv: I might make a PSA saying that they suck
04:29:32 syv: Though maybe people won't trust me saying "these suck, so you should buy my stuff instead!"
04:35:07 Devastator: of course, it's 250 cheaper than a jet if you reverse-engineer a flying combat aircraft, and then you can add a real gun. ;-p
04:36:06 ER: give it to a mad scientist so that they can attach 9 different kinds of warcrime cannons to it
04:37:24 Devastator: "And this is the one that shoots bees"
04:37:45 syv: Why would aliens use guns that shoot bees?
04:38:02 syv: ...Why are all our soldiers allergic to bees?
04:39:47 Devastator: I dunno, a kaiju-sized bee gun would be worrying.
04:42:52 Devastator: are you sure such things don't exist?
04:43:30 Devastator: I mean, deployable flying subunits could be a thing..
04:49:41 syv: Oh hey, are you two interested in watching evangelion?
04:51:51 syv:
MJ's gone the next two weeks, and I'd like to watch stuff more often. He wants to see MR, so Evangelion would be an alternative to fill that time.
04:52:20 ER: I think that he gets the worse in that deal, but okayyy!
04:52:24 syv: Okay, I'll look for a torrent later.
04:52:41 syv: But he's not around so he can't complain. :P
04:55:50 Devastator: I've seen most of it before.
04:56:23 Devastator: but that's not a veto.
04:59:53 syv: Okay, I'll look for a torrent tonight, link it tomorrow if it's good.
05:12:52 Devastator: also rainbow impact.
07:51:01 syv: Yessss I should get up and go find that...
07:52:39 ER: we gonna have to end up watching the movie(s)?
07:54:31 syv: I mean I'd assume so, but if the show itself isn't very good then no.
07:55:18 syv: Far as I understand the movie is basically the last few episodes, so *not* watching it is like stopping 80% through a show.
07:55:18 ER: It doesn't seem likely that we don't like it
07:55:30 Devastator: oh, I thought you were suggesting watching the movie.
07:56:29 syv: If the movie is the last 20% of the show, why would we skip the show?
07:57:02 ER: I think there's one that's the end of the show
07:57:09 ER: and one that's a remake of the whole thing
07:57:13 Devastator: Because it doesn't make any more or less sense.
07:57:39 syv: I heard of a remake beginning, come to think of it.
07:58:13 ER: and then in the remake the same stuff happens but it's also implied to have taken place after the show or something strange like that
07:59:05 ER: so we may as well just start with the start and then if we like it enough watch through everything~
07:59:42 Devastator: well, we could watch Game of Thrones..
08:00:31 syv: I'm gonna veto that on account of it being too fucking long.
08:01:06 ER: I feel like I should get around to reading through asongoficeandfire at some point
08:02:16 syv: A bunch of people have insisted that I read through it, to the point of throwing the books at me, but I have not on account of too fucking long.
08:02:46 ER: yeah, you should finish unsounded before reading that crap~
08:03:08 syv: ...I'm also somewhat annoyed by their usual claims of "but I'd like to hear your opinion about it/talk about it with you" when most of these people do not care for my brand of fiction discussion at all.
08:03:39 Devastator: They're good books, but I didn't find them as enjoyable as those Rothfuss novels.
08:03:52 Devastator: but that is a large, large category.
08:04:02 syv: Kingkiller is right on the edge of too fucking long. They're just too long.
08:04:21 syv: Luckily, too long is still readable.
08:04:50 ER: comics are more accessable to me, cause pretty pictures
08:18:21 syv: Maybe this was a bad choice of anime. I'm having to look up guides on how to watch it and so far they haven't exactly been clear.
08:18:56 Devastator: can't just go in chronicological order?
08:19:01 Devastator: I can't spell today.
08:19:33 ER: I think you could get away with publication order :P
08:19:34 syv: That seems to be what this guy is recommending, but his writing also stinks of fanboy "original way is the best way".
08:20:50 Devastator: I meant publication order.
08:20:57 Devastator: do they move the timeline around in the show a lot?
08:21:28 Devastator: eh, tbh if it's contentuous I can't see why you'd go wrong with publication order, unless there's like a huge mistake or prequel or something.
08:21:39 ER: it might be too weird to have like, a definite chronology or canon
08:25:11 syv: Apparently there's like three different things that overlap the same time period and it's unclear which of them are necessary to watch.
08:25:43 Devastator: maybe we should just watch the movie.
08:25:43 syv: The last segment of the original show is retold in some movies, but with further information that isn't covered in the show itself, and is apparently necessary.
08:26:13 syv: It seeems that the first twenty episodes are considered good to watch regardless.
08:26:15 Devastator: well, I'll go with whatever you decide.
08:26:32 ER: well, the end of the original is pretty much "oops we ran out of money lol" right?
08:26:55 syv: The last six may be better to watch a variant movie for a time save and to rehash less. The last two episodes apparently definitely are--they're the random weird ending that makes no sense.
08:27:06 syv: Then after the variant movie there's a finale movie.
08:27:29 syv: There's also a recap series which condenses all of it, cutting a lot and then adding more on the end which apparently some people dislike.
08:28:06 ER: my vote is for starting with the original, still
08:28:10 syv: I'm currently just downloading the original series, and we can figure out where to go from there.
08:28:42 syv: Also, a bunch of the torrents have a mishmash of different movies and the series, but ALL of them do seem to have the series.
08:29:41 Devastator: thanks for doing the work.
08:30:29 ER: ah, of course torrents are gonna include the specific mix of stuff the person who put it together prefers ;p
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