03:02:32 Devastator: mmm, only missing lightning resistance from Zavi,
ER.
03:02:39 Devastator: but maybe keeping options open?
03:02:42 Devastator: Can understand that.
03:03:09 ER: Hey, if you want to keep selling me statups, that's fine by me
03:03:25 ER: eventually you'll die from over-enchantment, anyways~
03:04:54 Devastator: I could live with it on armour.
03:05:21 Devastator: and you can die from overenchantment?
03:05:39 ER: benny ran out of slots for it, right?
03:05:54 Devastator: Yeah, but that's a normal creature.
03:05:58 Devastator: apparently it's different for mages.
03:10:43 Devastator: can probalby get explosive from one of those grenades.
03:10:55 Devastator: and might be able to get lightning from a weather control machine.
03:11:09 ER: that's exactly where I got mine :P
03:11:41 Devastator: though really want 'wind' more.
03:12:06 Devastator: Grow Wind Control, physically grow an organ that grants the ability to control wind. ;-p
03:12:09 ER: I just throught it seemed like a good spot for forces a nature
03:19:09 Devastator: plus it'd be really cool to like be able to make tornados with wings.
03:40:41 ER: why does he get secrets!? D:
03:42:59 Devastator: do you wnat secrets?
03:43:50 Devastator: this something related to k-com or something I can help with?
03:44:33 Devastator: what secrets is who talking about?
03:46:38 Devastator: mostly boring stuf.
03:46:45 Devastator: just standard orders.
03:47:53 Devastator: or maybe I'm backing him up.
03:48:24 Devastator: ok, so just shadowclaw and
NJW now.
03:48:56 ER: oh yeah, posting the the plague thread
03:49:15 Devastator: shadow's been a consistant player, just not here every minute.'
03:49:17 Devastator: so no worries there.
03:49:30 Devastator: not really worried about
NJW either, except for the zero contact since acceptance thing.
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03:57:36 ER: oh yeah, suppose I'll tell you about Red Sands, though they don't seem to be an enemy. Probably more of an ally really.
03:57:37 ER: " A Texas-based PMC called Red Sands. They seem mostly involved in behind-the scenes work to scrounge up funding for their own armed forces."
03:57:59 Devastator: Oh, they're not friendly.
03:58:06 Devastator: none of the orgs you're going to discover are friendly.
03:58:18 ER: so they wouldn't fight kaiju for money?
03:58:26 syv: Why does everyone dislike Emerald Robin?
03:58:50 syv: If PMCs are even vaugely realistic they'll be laughably overpriced for Kaiju.
03:59:19 ER: how do PMCs even work in real life
03:59:22 Devastator: It doesn't mean they can't be useful, but it's to inform you of threats.
03:59:27 syv: Like, "buy a transport, infantry to fill it, and infrastructure to hold all of this" price.
03:59:31 Devastator: basically you give them money and they keep your casulties off the news.
03:59:44 syv: They're a lot more expensive than national soldiers.
03:59:59 syv: Which, judging by the prices, seem to be about what we use.
04:00:22 Devastator: well, most soldiers you hire consider it extremely likely they're going to die.
04:00:49 ER: could I build a propaganda cylandar which makes inf cheaper then
04:00:52 syv: Yeah, and they're still dirt cheap.
04:01:00 Devastator: In truth, they should probably charge you more.
04:01:04 syv: I presume they're military volunteers.
04:01:05 ER: well, we got a lot of money
04:01:57 syv: And if they're not military volunteers, they're barely trained hicks.
04:03:02 Devastator: although x-com rookies were a bit more expensive, probably.
04:03:05 Devastator: not dramatically so.
04:03:06 syv: I thought X-Com rookies were military volunteers...
04:03:19 Devastator: they were, but you had to pay 20,000 up front per soldier.
04:03:21 Devastator: which isn't enough.
04:03:28 Devastator: and 20k each month, too.
04:03:54 syv: Which, yeah, that seems reasonable. Their main paycheck is coming from their home gov I figure.
04:04:15 Devastator: that's not unreasonable to suggest the council is picking up some of the tab for soldiers.
04:04:47 syv: Especially considering how much those soldiers can potentially do.
04:05:20 syv: Russia would *absolutely* fund all the costs of hiring one of their dudes just to have A) a man in the org, and B) have him potentially be a hero who helps save the world
04:06:02 Devastator: Russia already has a leg in it.
04:06:42 Devastator:
ER, can I tell him?
04:07:04 ER: tell him what? the soviet listening post?
04:07:20 Devastator: Although it is 1999.
04:07:33 Devastator: Russia has one of the two data-gathering listening posts that picks up on Kaiju tracking data.
04:08:15 syv: one of the most powerful countries has important things
04:08:27 Devastator: Nah, man, this is 1999, it isn't even Putin's russia!
04:08:54 syv: Ahh, yeah, they're weaker then aren't they?
04:09:10 Devastator: They're probably stronger than today.
04:09:17 Devastator: they just aren't geared entirely towards spreading misinformation.
04:09:33 Devastator: in terms of effective combat power they're probably better off.
04:10:15 syv: Well I'd still prefer to hire US troops. Which I assume I'm doing since I'm based in the US and they wouldn't tolerate me housing Chinese troops anyway.
04:10:42 syv: Though admittedly the Ruskies do have those sexy sexy Shak 12s.
04:11:38 ER:
ER probably just gives random kids off the street aks or something
04:11:52 Devastator: It's also 1999. Things were at an international high note around this time.
04:11:53 syv: Hrm, nope, those weren't around two decades ago.
04:12:08 syv: Prolly just using fucking AK 74s
04:12:08 Devastator: there just wasn't as much tension.
04:12:20 syv: And PKMs, I guess. PKMs are good.
04:12:27 Devastator: so if you wanted chinese troops, you could have them, no problem.
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04:13:31 syv: Can I have Belgian troops?
04:14:17 syv: Preferably with Russian guns, but as long as their Finnish I don't mind what they use.
04:14:17 Devastator: I mean, you get them in batches of fifty.
04:14:28 Devastator: You're arming Finns with russian gear?
04:14:33 Devastator: That's begging for trouble.
04:14:49 Devastator: Still.. it's 1999, you might get that to happen.
04:15:34 syv: I just got a discord notification from Ethereal Relic yelling at somebody because it's super early in EST.
04:16:01 Devastator: Man, Microprose lucked out with the timing.
04:17:17 syv: It's a different
ER. You're not in that channel.
04:17:32 syv: But it confused me for a few seconds.
04:17:34 Devastator: introduce them to each other.
04:17:41 Devastator: matter-antimatter reactions are fun.
04:17:58 syv: Apparently this one's even on the east coast.
04:18:05 ER: I'll stab em and steal their soul
04:36:00 syv: Apparently we're gonna shoot Alida.
04:37:59 Devastator: yeah, this kaiju is wolf-shaped.
04:38:02 Devastator: it's not Alida, though.
04:38:09 Devastator: not nearly as frightening as she would be.
04:39:21 Devastator: Painless 2 would be.. something.
04:39:26 Devastator: same with the whole effigy thing.
04:40:05 ER: bet nekobutchers could beat her, though ;p
04:40:17 Devastator: in game currently, maaaybe.
04:40:33 Devastator: Alida could probably take one of them one-on-one.
04:40:35 Devastator: but probably not all of them.
04:40:53 syv: 50 nekobutchers, who all are near equivalent to CC 3?
04:41:17 syv: Who are trained and have effective ranged weapons?
04:41:25 syv: They might not even take losses.
04:42:11 syv: If Alida gets Painless 3, that changes.
04:42:31 ER: well, effective ranged weapons will take a little. :P
04:42:44 syv: But as is nah. She'd have real difficulty with even one.
04:43:04 syv: Weren't you going to give them the default missile launchers?
04:43:45 ER: Which I guess is something powerful in PS
04:43:52 syv: I mean, Alida could parry or dodge those easily enough, but they're still effective.
04:43:59 ER: but wouldn't be much for a kaiju-sized alida
04:44:12 syv: Also, I suspect nekobutchers are very resilient to their own launchers, and Alida is melee.
04:44:30 syv: So they can shoot near each other and catch Alida in the splash when she attacks.
04:44:43 syv: Yeah, Kaiju Alida is another thing entirely.
04:46:01 ER: If she survives to be kaiju sized, she'll certainly have Painless 3 too
04:46:26 Devastator: mmm, nah, looking at their statlines they're comparable, but I would take Alida 1v1. About equivalent movement, but she can do mid-air jumps which is a little better close in, and she's a bit faster.
04:46:42 Devastator: the CC4 vs ~CC3+ is a slight edge.
04:47:00 ER: Well, I WILL have to make them FASTER, because 5 months is too quick ;P
04:47:02 Devastator: giant greatswords are also not ideal melee weapons agaisnt her.
04:47:11 syv: Yeah, 1v1 she'd win. But not necessarily easily or without injury.
04:47:38 syv: Nekobutcher gets even one hit in, it's a real and serious injury.
04:48:05 Devastator: it's not a walkover. It's close, but I'd give her the edge.
04:48:18 syv: Whereas Alida could reasonably glance, and might not kill even on a solid hit.
04:48:36 Devastator: nah, I don't have the power armour statted up that strong.
04:48:46 Devastator: it's not weak, but it isn't personal tanks.
04:49:05 syv: Ahh. I was figuring APC level at least.
04:49:21 ER: this sounds like a GREAT excuse to have an IRC testgame~
04:49:25 Devastator: It's over body armour.
04:49:41 Devastator: I have no idea how to map k-com damage lines to PS rules.
04:49:51 ER: nekobutchers fighting Alida, obvs
04:50:03 syv: Mapping K-com damage to PS is probably really easy.
04:50:23 syv: Because most of my damage rules describe calibers or military vehicles.
04:50:42 Devastator: well, in k-com there's a lot of hit or miss.
04:51:24 syv: It's just on a much more granular scale, since almost everything iis below power E, and almost nothing is above E.
04:51:53 Devastator: well, I just rolled nekobutchers and they botched the hell out of their attacks, but Alida whiffed on the dodge too.
04:52:09 syv: There's, like, Soul Nova. And that's probably A or S or something.
04:52:12 Devastator: so probably got chopped up, but then rolled max pain for what I'd grade her own attack as.
04:52:35 Devastator: Also,
syv, effigy would make 1v1 a lot more broken for Alida.
04:53:14 Devastator: hell, if she could afford 50 bodies I'd give it to the nekobutchers for having better AoE, but damn.
04:53:42 syv: Effigy would be a win for Alida as well, I think.
04:54:00 syv: Because at that point she can very reasonably win by attrition.
04:54:01 Devastator: With k-com it's very difficult to completely whiff your attack. Kaiju are just able to tank most attacks that don't hit square.
04:54:53 syv: And you were trying to sell me on the USN's fancy missiles despite this?
04:56:09 Devastator: I meant 'completely.'
04:56:55 Devastator: If you whiff to near minimum, you basically won't do damage since a kaiju will usually tank it.
04:57:07 Devastator: Those USN missiles saw that coming and rerolled.
04:57:49 syv: If you want to do Catgirls vs Doggirl I'm okay with running that.
04:58:08 Devastator: "Literally magic." ;-p
04:58:27 Devastator: which are we translating over?
04:58:50 ER: I look forwards to saying that to something in the scavenger game :V
04:58:53 Devastator: I mean, I could post the catgirl statline, but eh..
04:59:06 syv: Nekobutchers. Translating Alida into a system made for mass warfare wouldn't be fun or interesting.
04:59:15 Devastator: Ahh. She translates over ok, though.
04:59:52 syv: ...Okay, fine, what's Alida's statline?
05:00:14 Devastator: D power, - AP, - Range, B Speed, - Armour, F/E Durability.
05:00:32 Devastator: I'd have to write in a translation for Effigy and wolf-form, but those are possible.
05:01:13 Devastator: mob 3 for a ground unit is about that.
05:01:21 Devastator: it's higher top speed and maneuverability.
05:01:32 Devastator: she can jump in mid air and turn on a dime.
05:01:52 syv: And *more* power than a howitzer.
05:02:37 Devastator: Probably. You said physics defying, and that F AP matters a lot for a howitzer.
05:02:53 syv: Equal with a howitzer, okay. AP is weird and doesn't quite translate, so less I guess. But a grade *above* a howtzer?
05:02:53 ER: how good is a kaiju's will save?
05:03:11 syv: Yeah it's physics defying for a little girl to damage metal at *all* by hitting it.
05:03:29 syv: Probably worse than a human.
05:03:38 Devastator: Mmm, yeah, I suppose you're right.
05:03:57 syv: But yeah, CC 4 is "chop a car in half with one swing"
05:04:23 syv: Which is absolutely physics defying, but also seems more equivalent with a howitzer.
05:04:37 Devastator: yeah, it's not something I'd die over.
05:04:40 Devastator: I'm fine with bumping it down.
05:05:46 syv: I think Kaiju are probably more akin to Walpurgisnacht than Lucy.
05:06:41 syv: ...Lucy was also extremely fragile, by the by. Being made of glass and all.
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05:07:09 Devastator: doesn't seem right to have a fragile kaiju, though.
05:07:11 ER: given this insight into will saves, I will posit that my PS character would be a more overpowered k-com unit than
Dev's character. :P
05:07:32 Devastator: Man, you don't even know what their brains are.
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05:07:44 Devastator: Find a brain before I'll talk about will save.
05:07:46 ER: Do you think a MG power cares about brains?
05:08:08 Devastator: so not talking about that.
05:08:14 ER: witches and familiars don't have brains. that's not remotely what the power is about
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05:09:49 syv: Yeah, note that magical girls have exactly the same ability to resist mind control regardless of their brain status.
05:10:07 syv: Mind control doesn't affect the brain at all.
05:10:31 Devastator: I don't know how to translate that then.
05:10:40 ER: Though it raises the question as to kaiju's soul status
05:10:47 Devastator: kaiju aren't normal in that sort of thing.
05:10:48 ER: eh, I'd say they have souls
05:11:06 syv: How emotional are Kaiju,
dev?
05:11:16 ER: they're from outside, and outside apparently loves to eat souls
05:11:35 syv: Does a wolf kaiju feel as mad as one hundred normal wolves?
05:12:35 ER: rage, rage against the dying of the night
05:12:37 Devastator: It's difficult to answer that question.
05:12:57 Devastator: In some ways, yes, in some other ways, no. In a third way, also no.
05:13:34 syv: But yeah. If it's psychologically about the same structure as a dog, then it functionally has no will score to resist with.
05:13:47 syv: Even if it has some sapience it probably has none.
05:14:36 ER: Which I guess raises the question of what you do with a mind-controlled kaiju which costs 1 cheap per turn.
05:14:36 Devastator: It'd depend on what MC actually controls.
05:15:09 syv: Obviously you make it pick up kittens and softly pet them, so you can keep the MC going.
05:15:22 Devastator: My suspicion is that it would work, but it'd get a new roll like it's a different creature every few minutes.
05:15:54 ER: invigorating passion: having an army of giant monsters at your whim
05:16:01 syv: Functionally, for a biological organism I suppose MC controls the brain.
05:16:13 syv: You can't MC a corpse that had no brain.
05:16:36 syv: And magical girls who have their brain destroyed (without certain powers) lose connection to their bodies.
05:16:57 Devastator: Mmm, then maybe not vulnerable then.
05:17:02 syv: But you can mind control an animated broom, if it's already alive.
05:17:03 Devastator: but find a brain and study it and you'll find out.
05:17:20 Devastator: yeah, really that's for you to judge once someone gets a brain.
05:17:49 syv: It's just that in PS, living things tend to be controlled by their brains, while familiars and such are just an entirely different existence.
05:18:10 syv: And MC just gives you control over whatever the soul normally acts through.
05:18:58 ER: I always figured they would be pretty happy, actually
05:19:23 ER: sure, their creator is fueled by misery, but they're just happy little stuffed toys or whatever
05:19:23 syv: Depends on the lab really.
05:19:40 syv: Alicorn skeletons were basically high.
05:20:23 syv: Butlers were more... worried, and pragmatic. Wirefolk were curious and mostly carefree. Wire guardian was desperate and scared.
05:21:01 syv: Hollow soldiers were alternately happy and playful or completely pissed, IIRC.
05:21:14 Devastator: Butlers were the ooze creatures, right?
05:21:19 Devastator: How do the knights feel?
05:21:32 syv: ...Most things that are conscious of what magical girls are are scared to some degree.
05:23:37 syv: I will say, nothing in *this* labyrinth is scared of you.
05:23:48 syv: Some of the humans might be, were they given the chance to be scared/
05:37:46 ER: Provided that an update ever happens
05:38:19 Devastator: Ironically, k-com rules will get more relevant for alida as time goes on.
05:39:28 Devastator: yeah, I suppose that isn't right.
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05:56:40 syv: It's not a command. If you don't want to watch the show, it makes things easier to schedule anyway.
05:56:54 syv: Please don't download it if you don't have any real interest in it.
05:58:29 ER: my interest is like 60% morbid, but I'll go for it
06:02:44 syv: I yelled at
MJ to get it as well.
06:03:12 syv: Annoyingly, he has actually expressed the most interest in watching it of anyone, despite having the least time.
06:03:49 ER: where do you think that lack of time comes from?
06:03:59 ER: an abundance of enthusiasm, that's where
06:04:37 syv: Something the three of us seem to lack.
06:05:06 ER: not sure what I'd even do with such a thing
06:08:28 ER: anime is acquired and ready, sitting in my hard drive like a tightly coiled spring, ready to unleash a deluge of weebfilth upon me at a moment's notice
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06:27:14 ER: wish that Lup's game wasn't dead
06:28:06 Devastator: got to club things.
06:28:34 ER: I had a flesh golem with a shovel
06:28:45 ER: I was hoping to hit things with said shovel
06:30:24 Devastator: always a sound plan.
06:30:49 Devastator: Also, no Creeeed trains a magical idol team.
06:31:22 ER: yell at irony to hurry up and bounce back
06:31:39 ER: I need more of his brand of lunacy
06:35:21 Devastator: did get pocket tank.
06:44:41 syv: I wonder if I could convince Dubs to let me give my hirelings levelups.
06:44:56 Devastator: how much do you pay them?
06:45:19 syv: Either basically nothing or a very generous amount.
06:45:20 ER: maybe depending on if they got anything done
06:45:22 Devastator: I've been meaning to give our hirelings bonus stats.
06:46:01 syv: They're also not actually hirelings, though I have been trying to give them a reasonable cut of all Nyw's maychecks.
06:46:26 syv: They're actually just some street urchins that volunteered to go on adventures after Nyw gave them some knives.
06:47:33 syv: This turn I'm trying to convince the police to let me take some inmates out of prison so they can work for Nyw.
07:19:34 ER: suddenly, I realize that I should probably go to sleep some time
07:21:01 ER: enjoy the next thing you do
07:21:29 ER: fine, then don't enjoy the next thing you do but do enjoy all the ones after
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07:47:43 syv: Well now it's in my stomach, so it's at exactly the temperature it should be.
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22:22:07 ER: been watching some of that final fantast 7 remake on twitch
22:22:19 ER: they did a good music on that
22:22:49 Devastator: the high-def remake.
22:23:11 ER: the one where they had to turn one game into three of them :P
22:24:07 Devastator: it's not like FF7 has no padding in it.
22:27:06 ER: I've never actually played an FF
22:27:59 Devastator: Dunno what to say about that.
22:29:34 Devastator: having never played a FF.
22:30:06 ER: you don't know what to say, having never played an FF?
22:31:51 Devastator: I don't know what to say about having never played a FF.
22:34:41 Devastator: I played the first one..
22:36:05 ER: you want me to yell at him to show up in IRC?
22:36:19 Devastator: just one question today.
22:36:32 Devastator: wanted to know if it was like saeko accelerates at 75% of gravity or if it's like she's missing a quarter of herself magically.
22:36:59 Devastator: but it's no big deal.
22:37:06 Devastator: anyway, that should be enough, thank you.
22:43:32 Devastator: Also, Zavi now has knockback spells.
23:03:58 Devastator: "Doom eternal speedrunning will be great because it'll be harder to break."
23:04:05 Devastator: "Doom eternal has been completely broken."
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