00:14:44 Devastator: dunno about playing it.
00:15:01 Devastator: don't want to delay k-com.
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03:08:33 Devastator: that one's much better.
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04:38:36 syv: Yell at me to do something in Cabal please.
04:38:42 syv: Brain no work but I want to turn
04:40:49 Devastator: Recover a bunch of gold from the conduits for the saferoom.
04:41:14 Devastator: Go examine the cube room for what it does.
04:42:02 Devastator: Check the production areas to see if you can find any identifiable machinery.
04:42:33 Devastator: and agree to help Saeko make the bag for the core if she needs it.
04:43:18 syv: And... actually all of those get "why", except the bag.
04:44:26 Devastator: because we need gold to make the recovery mesh.
04:44:39 Devastator: the cube room because it's inscrutable.
04:44:57 Devastator: production area because it might have something useful.
04:45:11 Devastator: but feel free to do other stuf.
04:48:48 syv: Things I have written down in the cabal plans txt... make a portal to mana room, note saying that you want more than the rod so I should look into magic paintings... making mana drainer... disassemble fighter... disassemble grenade... animate painting... finish power armor... animate bots and have them gather other bots... "blink popsicke sticks"?
04:49:29 syv: I don't see any gold shortage mentioned in the turn so I'm not gonna do it unless it comes up.
04:49:52 syv: Cube room will be added but is secondary to the long list of actually useful things
04:50:04 syv: Production area will be added
04:50:19 syv: Production area might be better than fighter.
04:51:12 Devastator: Yeah, some of those are good too.
04:51:21 Devastator: disassembling fighter or portal research is good.
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04:52:50 syv: This turn, I think finishing the mana drainer, teleporter, and animating the painting seems good
04:53:09 syv: Interview the painting to see how its psychology works.
04:53:34 syv: That's two time-sensitive/intensive actions, one descriptive one, which sounds like a good balance.
04:54:14 syv: Do you have any opinion on the finished teleporter? I'm gonna rig it permanently in one spot.
04:54:24 syv: But the mana room might not be a good choice.
04:54:46 Devastator: You can compare it to the one I have sealed up.
04:54:53 Devastator: no wait, technically I stashed it.
04:54:56 Devastator: yeah, that'd be good.
04:55:06 Devastator: for the finished teleporter have it to go to the ruins.
04:55:25 Devastator: How about the temple Benny's sleeping around? He doesn't have mana so can't trigger it, and it's a clear area right in the middle.
04:55:25 syv: yyyyeeeesssss that would be where it would go.
04:55:38 Devastator: If you want it indoors, how about one of the hangars?
04:55:45 syv: Okay, nevermind I don't understand. Temple? What?
04:55:59 Devastator: Benny's sleeping on a ruined temple outside.
04:56:33 syv: Do you have a reason to put the teleport pad outside?
04:56:52 syv: I was thinking inside, but mostly just because the stuff we care about is inside.
04:58:08 Devastator: No particular reason but it might be better if we bring something large along with it.
04:58:15 Devastator: ie, if monster saeko wants to teleport back there.
04:58:29 Devastator: but a hangar's fine.
04:58:36 Devastator: or some other room, really.
05:01:56 Devastator: There's also the outside chance of wanting to go to one of the other towns near there, in which case it'd be handy to bring Benny along.
05:04:30 Devastator: We can probably upgrade the spell later if we do decide we want to take groups, but moving them might be trickier.
05:04:54 syv: I was figuring this was only a stopgap anyway.
05:05:29 syv: It's only a "d8 or d10" spell to make, anyway.
05:07:14 Devastator: then put it wherever. empty storeroom, someone's house, farming room, anywhere.
05:07:35 Devastator: but outside might slightly reduce the odds of needing to do a spell later.
05:07:44 Devastator: otoh, it might increase the odds of someone fucking with it.
05:10:27 syv: And if they allow travel freely between them, if given enough mana, that could be an issue.
05:11:07 Devastator: I was assuming you'd lock them to just us two.
05:11:37 Devastator: I mean, I'd do that even if they were inside.
05:11:58 syv: This is a stopgap and I haven't even experimented with whether that's *possible*.
05:13:28 Devastator: sure, then just put it inside somewhere.
05:13:51 Devastator: if you're going to replace it that'd be ok. Just put it behind a noble-locked door, so like an armoury or something.
05:29:05 Devastator: I do admit wanting to see what the result is for animating that painting OOC.
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05:33:33 syv: PM me for comments, distracted now.
05:34:00 Devastator: oh, you made the mana drainer?
05:34:36 syv: No, I posted an action to make a drainer.
05:34:47 syv: The drainer is just a net of wires anyway.
05:35:05 Devastator: I do want to do that properly.
05:35:07 syv: I bet Saeko could actually do it better, since her cloth magic applied.
05:35:20 Devastator: I'll get to work on that after snagging the core.
05:36:01 syv: But yeah, I'm not really too hung up on building a big and efficient drainer when I'm literally throwing mana into stats just to store it, and we *still* have a massive supply of easily accessible magic.
05:37:05 syv: Also I suspect just coating the available walls of that room will do quite a lot for us. Won't dispose of the pile any time soon, but do we really care about that? Obtaining 1% of the million mana sitting there is more than enough.
05:37:54 syv: Man, the hell is Telcal even *doing*?
05:38:12 syv: If he's eating the world's mana, then he's got crapload of mana.
05:38:12 Devastator: He's got his own power source.
05:38:25 syv: And with how powerful magic is, why's he just sitting there?
05:38:30 Devastator: I don't want to dispose of the pile. I want to make sure it doesn't go blooie.
05:38:48 syv: ...Is that why you want a drainer?
05:38:49 Devastator: sucking power out of it is a side benefit.. we have enough magicoal that isn't necessary at all.
05:39:25 Devastator: There are also some practical advantages towards having a steady stream power source, but yes, 'so it doesn't go blooie' is the main goal there.
05:39:25 syv: Should've said that so I could've been know rolling it and casting scrying spells.
05:39:33 Devastator: I've said it like fifty times!
05:39:50 syv: You've idly mentioned it blowing up fifty times.
05:40:12 syv: I don't recall you sayig that you wanted to defuse it though, no.
05:40:33 syv: It's more likw "ah yeah you know we got a nuke sitting there. We could drain some of the uranium out of it"
05:40:52 syv: "We have enough uranium already don't we?" "Yeah I guess"
05:41:04 syv: "It's a lot of uranium though"
05:42:07 Devastator: not even when I mentioned building the giant steel walls around it?
05:42:22 Devastator: and asking
ER to have Zavi make them explosion resistant?
05:42:30 syv: Why the fuck would some dumb steel walls help resist a nuke?
05:42:42 syv: ah yes some nice d12 reinforcements
05:43:02 syv: Will totes stop the boom that could fund d100d100
05:43:45 syv: IMO if you're worried about the magicoal pile going boom, the best way to stop that is to just not touch it at all in any way, including with a drainer.
05:43:58 syv: And then locking it behind some steel walls that are hard to get through from outside.
05:44:02 Devastator: That's just all-but ensuring it will go boom someday.
05:44:29 syv: It's out in bumfuck nowhere desert, and has been there for centuries.
05:44:45 syv: If it goes boom in the next century oh well.
05:44:52 Devastator: It's both dangerous and a horrible waste.
05:45:38 syv: Strongly disagree on the waste part tbh.
05:46:05 Devastator: the world's largest pile of magic going boom isn't a waste?
05:46:29 syv: You can only waste something if you can use it.
05:46:38 syv: I suspect it's also a morning snack for Telcal.
05:48:00 Devastator: well, then we can find out his sources of power.
05:48:32 syv: In-universe it's only dangerous and a waste for beyond-our-character reasons. Ripping a hole in reality of uninhabited desert is probably bad, but also not something Ekrov and Saeko personally care about, and will likely not affect them in any way. At most, Ekrov has chronic hero syndrome and would like to stop something like that, but here he's more concerned with not killing himself.
05:49:30 syv: As for waste, yeah, properly handled it could supply humanitarian or country-toppling power for decades, if not centuries. Both of which are "after the game ends", and also "not what we should be thinking about right now".
05:50:31 syv: What with the whole bit where we're trying to cram as much relevant stuff as possible into the six day time limit during which there's no risk of pile going boom beyond us poking it.
05:50:47 Devastator: ..with the portal the six day limit will be lifted.
05:51:05 Devastator: after we get back and set up another portal.
05:51:29 syv: But yeah. Right now it justifies a scry spell for "will this explode in the next year, the next decade, or the next century?"
05:51:51 syv: And then a message to the mage breakers saying "hey you might want to go contain this nuke"
05:52:12 syv: Not so much "let's poke at the nuke to make sure it can't go boom"
05:52:19 Devastator: They'll just eat it.
05:52:26 Devastator: I'd rather not explicitly mention it to them.
05:52:32 Devastator: they can take a barrel and be happy.
05:52:56 syv: Stood in the same room as the pile and ate some of its radiation?
05:53:06 syv: Just not gonna mention it, sure.
05:54:31 Devastator: Besides, Saeko can't suck mana from it.
05:54:42 Devastator: so it's not on her list of things to suck directly.
05:55:41 syv: A list Ekrov is deeply curious about
05:56:29 Devastator: but no, securing it would give her something to drain directly.
05:56:48 Devastator: Also,
PW has been explicit about there being no actual "mana batteries" here.
05:57:00 Devastator: it might be tech that post-dates the city.
05:57:03 Devastator: hopefully he'll miss that.
05:57:14 Devastator: if not, we can get one.
05:57:47 syv: They must have some kind of system.
05:58:00 syv: *everything* here runs off mana.
05:58:30 Devastator: yeah, but I think their storage system is 'make magicoal.'
05:58:42 syv: If they only get it from actively burning coal, 24/7, and any breaks cause stuff to stop functioning, that would cause problems.
05:59:07 Devastator: they got it from natural radiation and used it for things too expensive for that to power.
06:00:12 syv: Well, they must be able to *make* magicoal.
06:00:24 Devastator: the thaumic furnaces are there to make magicoal.
06:01:07 syv: Then why would they have drains to drain the mana out?
06:01:41 Devastator: No, they make magicoal.
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06:05:00 Devastator: "Waste disposal: Large thaumic furnaces where waste seems to have been converted to Magicoal. There is still a good amount of trash in the area, apparently never seen to before the city fell."
06:05:19 Devastator: I'm assuming they can also power stuff directly.
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06:09:34 syv: (
sy) So I've been working to make a mana drainer which requires a place to put the drained stuff that we don't have and probably can't make
06:09:34 syv: (
sy) Using the design from a place that wasn't actually meant to drain power from something in the first place.
06:10:29 Devastator: It'll work, I think the gold wire was the key bit.
06:10:40 Devastator: it won't work well, and won't store much, but it's something.
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06:10:59 Devastator: and besides, if it makes degraded magicoal into fresh magicoal, that's also fine.
06:11:09 syv: It just won't store any great deal and won't serve any actual useful purpose.
06:11:15 Devastator: we can at least move fresh magicoal.
06:11:43 Devastator: and who knows? You might be able to make a batteryish thing.
06:11:52 Devastator: if not, we can buy one elsewhere.
06:12:58 syv: "Ah yes could we please buy a battery that could power a factory for a week?"
06:13:20 Devastator: There's a Contain word available, Saeko has Expand, and
PW told me where we can find one.
06:13:38 Devastator: I'm damn sure Expand and Contain together can make a battery able to hold a lot more.
06:14:10 Devastator: And if we really can't do it, it's not inconcievable we can teleport the stream somewhere else via portal.
06:16:12 Devastator: I'm sorry for being harsh on you.
06:16:19 Devastator: and I'm also sorry for making you do this.
06:17:14 syv: Do wish you'd been clearer about trying to defuse the pile, though.
06:17:29 syv: Really should've fucking know rolled it already.
06:17:41 syv: It would be Dubs to have it be a time limit on us.
06:18:02 Devastator: If dubs puts a time limit on it I'll survive with equanimity.
06:18:05 syv: Opening the door into the room destabilized it and gave it a timer of 2d20 days before boom.
06:18:21 Devastator: and get everything wanted done anyway despite having fewer resources.
06:18:38 Devastator: well, you'll probably be able to tell.
06:18:38 syv: That might be the first time I've actually seen that word used outside of PS or a dictionary site.
06:18:56 Devastator: Didn't I suggest it to you for PS?
06:19:50 Devastator: eh, must be six months since the last word.
06:24:29 Devastator: we're almost done here.
06:24:34 Devastator: what's next for Ekrov?
06:27:38 syv: Disassmble fighter and look at production machines I guess.
06:28:00 Devastator: how about Kaiju-Com?
06:28:12 Devastator: just going with a standard deployment?
06:29:17 syv: Gonna have jets hold back I think.
06:29:35 syv: Unlike last time there's no NPC cracking
06:30:12 Devastator: well, there's militia.
06:30:33 syv: I presume that ERA would improve recovery chances?
06:32:11 Devastator: No, not at all, actually.
06:32:26 Devastator: It just means it's harder to knock out.
06:33:08 syv: If I throw it at Irony, will he be able to use it this turn?
06:34:02 Devastator: Although you do remember the cap on the ERA.
06:34:08 Devastator: and the fancy-tank.
06:34:24 syv: Was just gonna check if it was explcitly improved armor
06:35:00 syv: If an MS comes to pick up one of the T55s, can they do it this turn?
06:35:31 syv: Might be best to put the era on an MS tank
06:35:46 syv: Don't think it'll help much with the plane, and it'll make their unit start better.
06:36:12 Devastator: A MS doesn't have to come pick up stuff.
06:36:18 Devastator: it's for moving around mad science gear.
06:36:31 Devastator: recieving a delivery doesn't take the turn.
06:36:41 syv: Well I can't send them a tank.
06:36:49 syv: My transport's busy with the kaiju?
06:37:26 Devastator: I'm assuming stuff you guys send each other, other than combat deployments, uses the transportation networks of the world.
06:38:02 Devastator: combat deployments are because fedex(Battlefield) doesn't exist.
06:40:24 Devastator: Hell, technically you don't even need their consent.
06:40:59 Devastator: other than MS gear I'm not going to police that.
06:41:45 syv: Then I'm definitely shipping tanks to people
06:41:52 syv: "Here, this is your problem now"
06:43:04 Devastator: If they're full I'll just have it doorstopped. They can ditch their project and accept a tank, or just reject it and shove it into the yard like a disused car in Alabama.
06:45:31 Devastator: you know, one moment it's intact and in perfect shape. The next moment the compartments are open, the tracks are off, everything's rusted and the turret is canted at an angle.
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06:51:56 Devastator: to be fair we have plenty of those up here, too..
06:52:06 Devastator: except a lot more rust.
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06:57:55 Devastator: was worried the front lawn abandoned vehicle joke offended you for a minute. ;-p
06:59:41 syv: Naw, there's like ten of them on my lawn.
06:59:57 syv: Down here it's just a fact of life.
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07:06:12 Devastator: you know, gotta modify the armour to cover the wings too.
07:06:45 Devastator: I'll see if I can make them seperate things, because putting something like force absorbption might not work if it covers wings.
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07:12:55 Devastator: plus tornado wings don't seem compatable with wind-resistant armour.
07:19:38 Devastator: yeah, should be good.
07:21:02 Devastator: also wondering what animated image will be like.
07:21:09 Devastator: prooobably helpful, because saeko.
07:21:12 Devastator: not sure more than that.
07:21:15 Devastator: very glad it's temporary.
07:23:17 syv: Hoping it gets made permanent.
07:23:40 syv: Ekrov will feel bad when the painting expresses horror at dying in a week.
07:24:00 Devastator: it'll probably just go back into the painting.
07:24:25 syv: Whatever it does, it'll cease being animate
07:24:35 Devastator: well, yes, but actual saeko's right there.
07:24:38 syv: Like, you know, how humans cease being animate when they die.
07:24:50 Devastator: It might not have much, though.
07:25:01 syv: Also she'll hug Ekrov, not me.
07:25:16 syv: I wouldn't be sitting there not telling the girl I'm in love with her.
07:25:46 syv: Fairly certain I'd also rather dislike Saeko as a person.
07:26:44 Devastator: mmm, could see that.
07:26:59 Devastator: ..okay, that's creepy.
07:27:14 Devastator: "I'm going to animate this image of my girlfriend so I can confess my love to her to it.
07:29:16 syv: Actually, no, I find that less creepy. Huh.
07:32:04 syv: Animating the painting to screw it is a purely physical thing. It's still creepy since it's creation of a living thing for use as a sex toy, and it's in the image of someone in particular, but it doesn't feel as creepy to me as the creation of a fake copy of that person to act as a surrogate recipient of powerful emotions for the real person.
07:32:44 syv: The former is bad to me because it's callous towards the creature.
07:33:01 syv: But the latter is worse to me because it's actually a bit insane.
07:33:51 syv: I guess both at once is worst regardless.
07:34:29 Devastator: that would be it, yes.
07:36:45 Devastator: well, saeko finds an animated copy of her existing to be really creepy.
07:37:10 Devastator: I don't think she'd think of it as a person, given that it's spell-produced, but I wouldn't find that opinion immutable.
07:40:11 Devastator: I mean, she's summoned temporary creatures before.
07:43:04 Devastator: items aren't people either..
07:43:11 syv: If the painting is indeed mentally a copy of Saeko, then from its perspective it feels like she suddenly was arbitrarily split away from who she is, and someone else is walking around as the true her, while she's condemned to death.
07:43:46 syv: 'Course it might not be mentally alive, and could just be an image. Which would make it more useful.
07:44:06 syv: Though Ekrov *is* using human in the spell, so I suspect it'll be a functional human/
07:45:55 Devastator: the compelling reason to become not-human.
07:46:05 Devastator: "I don't want Ekrov to make duplicates of me."
07:47:18 syv: "And I can't just ask him not to."
07:49:43 Devastator: where's that link that
PW had where someone encountered a bimboized version of themselves..
07:49:54 syv: If she would say not to do it then he wouldn't do it to begin with.
07:50:05 syv: I'll edit the action if I misinterpreted.
07:50:23 syv: It was Frankie from fosters, and IIRC he got it off 4chan, so link rot anyway.
07:50:37 syv: Also that's an entire fetish and there's a lot more than just that.
07:50:54 Devastator: she'll say that -after- it's over.
07:51:08 syv: Finally Ekrov is just as creeped by that kinda thing as anyone, so no, the animated version won't be a bimbo version.
07:51:09 Devastator: 'don't do it again'
07:51:41 Devastator: didn't
ER say it was?
07:52:12 syv: It's fucking *
ER*, why would he possibly specify that it's a bimbo version?
07:52:21 syv: He'd go the oppoaite way if anything
07:53:25 syv: Attractive can mean a lot of things.
07:53:42 syv: It doesn't necessarily mean "sexualized"
07:54:04 Devastator: but yes, it doesn't have to mean that.
07:54:46 syv: But yeah, if it were bimbo 34 of Saeko, Ekrov wouldn't have been all "oh this is awesome"
07:55:12 syv: And probably wouldn't animate it either.
07:55:44 syv: If it's standard portraiture emphasizing the most positive aspects of a person's appearance, *then* sure he'd be fanboying over her work.
07:57:46 Devastator: yeah, I just thought it was a flattering painting.
08:00:46 Devastator: just realized in Oots that the undead wight that wanted the paladin's shoes got the paladin's shoes.
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08:06:27 MidJag: Hmm, looks like I got to slap some quoutes on this powerpoint and then I'm done with this presenation.
08:08:29 MidJag: Elapsed time like 3 hours..Time I would have had to spend to write the equivalent paper. 4 full days.
08:08:53 MidJag: Really liking this class right now.
08:14:59 MidJag: Hmm, you know what's weird. Tarrasques are typically shown as being spiky. And most animals that have spikes on them have spikes to prevent larger things from eating them. Therefore...
08:16:46 MidJag: Are there things bigger than tarraseques/
08:17:08 syv: Yes. There's things bigger than baby tarrasques.
08:17:55 MidJag: but they don't lose their spikes in adulthood, suggesting there's an evolutionary reson to keep them
08:19:16 Devastator: There's also only one terrasque, technically speaking.
08:20:29 MidJag: I suppose it's possible for tarraques just have a sexual selection for spikes? But then that seems less likelly, just casue sexual selection doesn't prefer spikes like that as much.
08:23:11 syv: Most women prefer spikes. If they didn't they wouldn't breed.
08:24:27 MidJag: I like the idea of there's always a bigger fish
08:31:02 Devastator: gotta work those in somehow.
08:32:29 Devastator: I suppose the ears could count,
syv.
08:32:59 MidJag: Spikes are just a solid choice. Main downside is increased energy cost and the risk of stabbing yourself and others during tmating. Like porcipines. But like they are solid choices.
08:34:26 Devastator: ahh, that old joke.
08:34:58 Devastator: Of course, shells aren't necessarily helpful, either.
08:35:04 Devastator: "How do porcupines mate?"
08:37:53 syv: That penis is certainly... interesting
08:38:18 syv: Now I'm curious why the hell it
08:38:29 Devastator: gotta get all the way to the other tortorse inside its shell.
08:39:09 syv: The weird massive octopus sucker urethra thing...?
08:39:51 syv: "Weird massive octopus sucker urethra thing"
08:40:21 MidJag: Probably to compete with other males or because the female has some weird vagina like thing.
08:40:32 MidJag: Like how ducks have corckscrew pensis
08:41:26 Devastator: It's because apparently tortorses have very primitive penis anatomy.
08:41:40 Devastator: so it needs to be much larger to guide the semen in, because it goes through a channel open to the outside.
08:43:13 syv:
MJ, you were looking for true gnome facts to tell the turtle cleric who was reincarnated into a gnome?
08:43:40 syv: "Your penis has a much superior design now"
08:44:07 Devastator: 'hats are now obligatory.'
08:45:14 MidJag: Slan does have a rater daper hat
08:47:18 Devastator: can'lt be a gnome with no hat.
08:47:58 MidJag: Does it count if his secondary hat is also techincally part of his head?
08:49:01 syv: ...Is he wearing the wizard hat over the fey skull?
08:49:16 syv: Is he wearing clothes over the corpse?
08:49:42 MidJag: Nope, just disguise self when he want's to show off and a cloack when he want's to keep spell slots
08:52:11 MidJag: I'm not sure the rest of the party has seen a non disguised self slans face in weeks.
08:52:32 MidJag: Though I guess he would slide the face plate up to eat or drink.
08:55:39 Devastator: disguise self should cover that too.
08:55:43 MidJag: Damn, I should have thrown something in about it you not needing to eat or drink anymore. Would have been a fun bit of flavor.
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17:07:55 ER: Oh yeah that pile would blow a hole in reality, no way enchanted steel walls even matter for it
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23:24:27 Devastator: attractive totally means sexualized. ;-p
23:24:42 Devastator: still need some k-com orders.
23:25:46 Devastator: anything happen on the discord?
23:26:03 ER: things are always happening everywhere
23:28:26 Devastator: yeah, got Stirk's, yours, and IOs.
23:28:38 Devastator: need
Syv and shadowclaw.
23:28:49 Devastator:
PW's given me his, so there's
NJW.
23:29:14 ER: don't really have any choices this turn, lol
23:29:23 Devastator: but you might want say infantry to hang back.
23:32:29 Devastator: need a day of working anyway, gotta catalog some more rules.
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