00:05:09 ER: I actually really really like Cabal's magic system.
00:05:49 ER: If you just look at the words it seems like a big downgrade from Perplexicon, but where Cabal really excells is in build variety.
00:06:52 ER: You have your words, which define what you can interact with, but you also have your stats defining HOW you can interact with those things and to what extent, and you have methods which define how you become stronger.
00:08:14 ER: So it's not like you have a handful of classes, there are countless different kinds of wizard you could be, and they're all mechanically different.
00:10:57 ER: Even though Zavi and Eclair have similar builds, flesh scrolls with high str/dex and energy words for attacking, they're still different. They have different methods of gaining mana, which gives them different priorities. Eclair is a little more min-maxed and zavi is a little more generalist, so in the end she has more reason to cast buffs and spells in preperation for fights at the cost of some potency in direct attacks.
00:12:22 ER: And tying in to the different methods giving them different objectives, they play differently just because thier respective occupations have them doing different things.
00:12:47 ER: I adore how we don't all just end up being the same person doing the same thing.
01:03:56 Piecewise__:
Devastator As long as you are holding the key, and the person is holding you, the darkness won't effect you
01:34:05 ER:
Piecewise__ is there a good way for me to absorb mana from magicoal?
01:36:39 ER: hmm, maybe a thing with grand lodestone
01:51:45 Piecewise__: A good way to absorb it directly? Just from magicoal or from the pile?
01:52:21 ER: for me to get mana from the barrels of magicoal
01:52:32 ER: it can involve some spellcasting.
01:53:40 Devastator: so has to be touching.
01:53:52 Devastator: and what happens when not touching?
01:56:53 Piecewise__: It no longer protects
dev.
01:57:53 Piecewise__: Assuming you're holding one piece at a time, you could channel it normally. A single coal has 3d20 mana so even if you get hit with 60, it should be ok
01:59:15 ER: You didn't let me channel it directly, tho- oh never mind what I was saying just now, please let me do that.
02:01:29 ER: how much coal did you want to give me,
dev? 40 pieces?
02:01:47 Devastator: I'm ok with giving you a barrel.
02:03:30 Devastator: median is 42 pieces.
02:06:06 GameServ:
ER rolled 3d10: 10 10 6 <Total: 26(+10) = 36>
02:06:24 ER: darn, should have just taken the median, huh
02:07:12 ER: I'm putting that on my sheet.
02:07:37 ER: so you'd better take it off yours or whatever unless you want to slyly duplicate things
02:07:38 Devastator: That's fine, I'll knock off one barrel.
02:08:03 ER: I have no doubt that many thingss have been duped in that manner in
PW games
02:09:52 Devastator: I don't think we're going to run out, and in all honesty, there's probably more barrels to find.
02:10:42 ER:
Piecewise__ if I absorb mana from coal one piece at a time, can I et through multiple pieces in a turn?
02:14:14 Piecewise__: Sure...though I'll roll for how many you manage
02:14:24 Piecewise__: also remember not to hold too much in yourself
02:15:41 ER: "absorb as much magicoal as possible, if I got over 100 mana, upgrade stats before contenuing in the followinf order of priority:"
02:16:05 Devastator: so you're going to try and max the stats, then?
02:16:20 Devastator: Go for it, just don't do it inside the king room.
02:16:48 ER: speaking of, do be careful touching that core.
02:17:08 ER: I'm lead to believe it contains waytoomuch energy
02:18:02 Devastator: I did bring the sealer suit gloves, and some sealer suit material.
02:18:12 Devastator: pretty much explicitly for this possibility.
02:18:24 Devastator: yeah, it might eat things it touches.
02:18:39 Devastator: dunno if that stuff's proof, but will find out.
02:19:03 ER: might be safer for an empath to touch it than a channeler, I can see why they sent you :V
02:21:20 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 1d6: 1 <Total: 1>
02:21:26 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 2d4: 4 4 <Total: 8>
02:21:36 Devastator: hmm, should ask too.
02:21:42 Devastator: can she feel any emotions?
02:22:10 Devastator: ok, Saeko comes out and explains to Zavi what it's like in there.
02:22:21 Devastator: Is Zavi going to come in?
02:23:19 ER: "It sounds like you can handle it. Expected more chimeric guardian beasts, to be honest."
02:23:48 Devastator: "Don't explode from that mana."
02:23:56 ER: "Besides which, it sounds like we each need to be carrying a key, and only one exists."
02:26:29 Devastator: "That's fine. Thought you might have some spell in particular."
02:27:53 ER: "i could make your body lighter. I understand your bird magic is limited somehow, so if I enchant your body you should be able to reach a lot easier."
02:29:08 Devastator: "Hmm, that would help. I think I would like to be able to fly myself, and that would make it easier."
02:29:42 Devastator: "Can you try that?"
02:30:18 ER:
Piecewise__ how light would saeko get if I enchanted her whole body with d8 lightweight lasting 1 hour?
02:30:57 Piecewise__: Depends on how heavy she is now. But likely down to a third or a quarter of her starting weight
02:31:09 Devastator: Oh, thought you were suggesting it permanent.
02:36:46 ER: costs more, and this task won't take too long
02:37:11 ER: and being that light forever doesn't seem particularly helpful
02:37:40 Devastator: It wouldn't be as much, and she does want to fly personally.
02:37:54 Devastator: being 3/4 normal would be a big help to that.
02:38:17 Devastator: or whatever d8 permanent is.
02:42:03 Devastator: It isn't mandatory. Force would let it happen, as would simply really big wings.
02:45:32 ER: what stat should I level first?
02:45:50 ER: hmm, will and senses are closest to +5
02:46:19 ER: let's go ahead and level will. want to see what +5 gives me there...
02:47:11 ER: about how many magicoal can I get through,
Piecewise__?
02:47:20 Devastator: 10 mana an hour, it looks like.
02:47:42 ER: 10 mana an hour was really slow.
02:47:52 ER: this stuff should be faster
02:48:23 Piecewise__: I've been rolling d6 for
sy. You, probably d6 or d4
02:48:24 Devastator: you want any buffs from Saeko?
02:48:41 ER: maybe he's being nice to me because I offered to provide "constructive" critisism to his brother-in-law's video. ;P
02:50:48 ER: Hell, strengthen force to make all my attack magic easier?
02:51:05 ER: that's how that works, right?
02:51:12 Devastator: that sounds a little vague. How about like a fist aura?
02:51:29 Devastator: boost the power of your punch.
02:51:49 Devastator: what do you mean no need? It might well affect your attack magic too, if you launch it from your fists.
02:52:23 ER: eh, I don't think that will be how it works.
02:53:10 Devastator:
Piecewise__, can I use a Force word to improve attack spells like
ER wants?
02:53:40 Devastator: hmm, sounds ok then.
02:53:52 Devastator: still annoyed at the temp lightweight, but it will make grabbing the core easier.
02:54:07 Piecewise__: I'd have to see exactly what it is
02:54:19 Piecewise__: but magic can do anything with enough lube
02:54:48 ER: around here we use lube imbued with mana
02:55:08 ER: because we are unimaginably decadant for this post-apoc world
02:55:21 Devastator: ok, I'll try my best.
02:56:07 ER: I mean, I would be willing to perma-lightweight you, but that's not what I was offering at that time
02:56:17 ER: and I don't see it as being too useful
02:56:45 ER: but I am literally a strength build and losing my weight forever sounds a lot like a downgrade so
02:58:25 Devastator: well, Saekos asking if you'd do it to her. I understand why Zavi woulnd't do it to herself, but as long as she's at least half her weight, it should be ok.
02:58:29 Devastator: I mean, she's going to start growing.
02:59:03 Devastator: so her not being heavy enough seems grossly unlikely.
02:59:19 ER: I do think the greater oomp of a temp spell will help with getting the core
02:59:27 Devastator: lightweight? Yeah. Growing? Probably until the day after turning in the mission.
02:59:33 Devastator: look, she'll need wings either way.
02:59:48 Devastator: and half weight is enough to make them pretty reasonable, or whatever it ends up being from d8 permanent.
03:00:10 Devastator: that, and temp wings should be fine.
03:00:30 Devastator: hell, could do it with just grow by getting big enough to just snag the thing out of the air, if necessary.
03:00:36 Devastator: but that might bump into walls and such.
03:01:46 Devastator: there's lots of ways.
03:02:05 Devastator: I'll leave my turn a bit vague as to the nature of the force spell, but I'll cast it.
03:02:30 Devastator: just want to think about exactly what to do about the crystal.
03:13:31 ER: It doesn't have to be vague, what i want is a buff which increases the effectiveness of my energy attack spells.
03:13:48 Devastator: That's what I'll put.
03:13:56 ER: strength and dex explosion, strength and dex lightning, strength and dex sunlight
03:15:51 Devastator: Just want to have orders about what to do about the crystal, so still thinking.
03:17:24 Devastator: ..could you edit yours? I'll get mine down tonight.
03:18:56 ER: are you sure you don't want to ask ek before making yourself lighter forever? maybe he appreciates the weight. ;P
03:19:37 Devastator: It's concievable I could find another word, or use force to simulate it less well.
03:20:02 Devastator: and, you know, she will get bigger, assuming she can manage to not die. I'm sure if Ek wants to be smothered or crushed or something it could happen. ;-p
03:21:13 ER: she may become more vulumous and more massive, but her pitiful density will remain :(
03:21:59 ER: I must tell you, nekobutchers should be extremely dense
03:23:26 Devastator: If density is desired, 'grow' can probably manage that with no other words.
03:23:50 Devastator: Don't want to do that in reverse because it might make her less solid.
03:30:16 Devastator: mmm, looks good. Equipment means armour, shield, backpack, and I'd like to get some of the adamant weave for later. Other than that, no problem. Looks good.
03:48:25 Devastator: I'm also sure reverse-lightweight works on you if you want to be thicc.
03:48:35 Devastator: although, do remember it's weight and not mass.
03:48:58 ER: it is not the thicc, it is the chonk
03:49:18 ER: the terms are related, yet there is a distinction~
03:51:38 Devastator: please don't test reverse-lightweight on self before beign flown back home. I'm not making benedict any larger.
04:04:17 Devastator: I won't be able to feed him, so that's not an option.
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04:12:34 Devastator: You have plenty. ;-p
04:20:31 Devastator: I was surprised you didn't ask Saeko to cast Strengthen Speed on your gun, making the projectiles super powered.
04:21:01 Devastator: i suppose it's just thaumic though, so she'd need to engrave it.
04:21:15 ER: nah, at this point I mostly want permanant buffs to my core abilities
04:21:22 Devastator: also posted orders.
04:21:39 Devastator: any changes to your bit?
04:21:40 ER: that's not a thaumic we looted, it's just a gun I enchanted myself
04:22:07 Devastator: Oh, you can take a gun if you want it, or a sword, or a suit of armour too.
04:22:49 ER: I happen to have a sword, a gun, and armor
04:23:26 ER: if I wanted to accumulate more weapons I would probably just do that rather than ask~
04:23:57 Devastator: anyway, I'm glad you've been paid properly.
04:24:59 ER: wouldn't strengthen force be more effective than just force?
04:25:54 ER: its purpose is to strengthen spells, after all
04:26:07 Devastator: yeah, that might work.
04:27:19 Devastator: pretty much. It might be more uncontrollable, but that's up to you. ;-p
04:29:16 ER: strengthen is unpredictable?
04:29:26 Devastator: it's predictable, but there's more power around.
04:29:33 Devastator: which might mean.. more power.
04:29:50 Devastator: just more stuff to go wrong.
04:30:08 ER: if more power is available, then less difficulty is necessary for the same level of power, which makes it MORE controllable
04:30:53 ER: and it seems the same as only using force for this, except the effect will be stronger because you used more relevnt words.
04:31:06 ER: because strengthening is a core component of what you're doing
04:31:48 Devastator: Yeah, that's a good point.
04:32:04 Devastator: but if you do make a mistake, the backlash might be harder.
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05:56:38 ER: I made an art and now I require... I guess I require people to look at it, which requires they confirm that they have indeed seen it before satisfation can be gained
05:57:51 ER:
PW said that it would look like a big dumb box like the G11 but what does he know
06:01:16 Devastator: looks more dangerous than the real thing, though..
06:01:52 ER: you want my opinion of the gauss rifle?
06:03:03 Devastator: lasgun was a water pistol and this would be a nerf gun, heh.
06:03:28 ER: the UWM invented the gauss cannon because the gauss rifle was so fucking awesome, they figured that they couldn't go wrong scaling it up to an inpractical degree
06:03:43 ER: and they were WRONG because the gauss rifle is the PERFECT DEATHTUBE
06:04:28 ER: lasguns are flashlights. the gauss rifle shoots the fuck out of anything and doesn't give a fuck
06:04:54 Devastator: and you'd need a week before the target would notice.
06:04:58 Devastator: which is the downside.
06:28:56 ER: wanted to see him cut into it after
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06:46:42 Devastator: it's a money bag, the point of the lock is so that it's obvious if someone opened it, not to make it safe.
07:42:55 ER: he starts with the lowwest starting vit, and then never levels it while playing through the whole game
07:43:24 ER: his health bar is the tiniest it can be, and everything oneshots him
07:44:12 ER: instead of getting some health so he could stop dying, he just kept leveling bloodtinge past the softcap :P
07:48:41 ER: bloodtinge, btw, is the tingeitude of your blood, which increases gun damage because in bloodborne universe guns shoot blood or something
07:50:57 Devastator: hey, infinitely renewable.
07:52:26 ER: you buy or loot vials of other people's blood, yank out your own blood to make bullets, and then jam the vial of blood into your leg, broken glass and all
07:53:08 ER: or you just use bullets made out of quicksilver, which is... attuned to your blood???
07:54:04 ER: but that actually won't last you as long because you can carry 20 vials and 20 bullets, and 1 vial will heal the damage caused by making a batch of 5 blood bullets
07:54:13 ER: this all makes perfect sense
08:28:38 ER: man, I do kinda want to play as a maximum endurance servant ascetic in cabal
08:28:47 ER: and see just how far I can abuse enchants
08:29:00 Devastator: well, you could retire your character after joining the breakers.
08:29:04 Devastator: if you want a different build.
08:33:05 Devastator: wonder how light Saeko will get.
08:33:11 Devastator: d8's probably not too much.
08:33:41 ER: would be more if you hadn't asked for it permanent ;P
08:34:22 Devastator: yeah, but I'd like to keep it around to make flying easier.
08:36:34 Devastator: might ask for a second one depending.
08:41:18 Devastator: just make her negative.
08:44:57 Devastator: could probably chain grow and lighten to increase mass while not increasing weight. Grow denser, get lighter, grow denser, get lighter, chain them together.
08:46:52 Devastator: be simultaneously 150 pounds of weight and 2000 kg of mass.
08:48:32 ER: you would still need to be extremely strong in order to bring yourself to any speed, even though you wouldn't be destorying the ground by attempting to stand
08:51:32 Devastator: Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that growing denser would come with denser muscles too.
08:58:46 Devastator: but you'd probably have issues getting up to speed and slowing down all the same.
08:58:51 Devastator: just that you'd be able to do so.
08:59:13 Devastator: still, you'd be the Kool-Aid man.
08:59:19 Devastator: and everyone wants to be the Kool-Aid man.
09:05:20 ER: "because it's not dangerous to eat, that means it's safe to eat."
09:13:27 Devastator: If you don't have like +5s across the board, maybe saeko could try to grow Zavi more dense too, after getting back to the city.
09:24:03 Devastator: but if you're maxed, eh, what's the point.
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22:44:00 Devastator: Hmm, gotta reorganize my orders.
22:44:37 Devastator:
Piecewise, the gold mesh is only covering the stone floor in the king room, and not covering each item in it?
23:04:47 Piecewise__: but not every item
23:06:47 Devastator: and the library has books?
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23:32:50 ER: so I'm an uncle now so that's a thing that exists
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