00:49:58 Devastator: Might let you in next turn.
00:50:28 Devastator: not throwing it back out.
00:50:53 Devastator: It might get Saeko disenchanted.
00:51:10 Devastator: I'm not vetoing the idea, just let me see if it's like super dangerous.
00:51:19 Devastator: plus we might have to keep holding hands or something.
00:59:32 Devastator: Piecewise__, for clarification Saeko isn't going to throw away the king key after stepping inside the king room.
01:50:38 Devastator: how much money to build a base?
01:50:57 Devastator: assume cash for three or four map squares, and about forty rooms worth of buildings.
01:55:50 Devastator: maybe a few special features.
02:38:42 Piecewise__: Three or four MAP squares?
02:39:02 Piecewise__: So something the size of a small town?
02:39:13 Piecewise__: Price for that depends on where really
02:46:12 Devastator: lemme open up the map.
02:47:18 Devastator: somewhere near the river west of ens veneris.
02:48:27 Devastator: maybe near the foothills, maybe nearer the road to the southwest, somewhere in that sort of block.
03:06:57 Piecewise__: If its unsettled you could do it for free, reasonably
03:08:33 Piecewise__: at least buying the land there'd be no thing
03:08:43 Piecewise__: as per the actual cost of building...depends how and with what
03:09:10 Piecewise__: I mean, with animate you could make golems to do it all for you, theoretically
03:09:29 Devastator: eh, probably some of a, some of b, some of c, a bunch of stuff.
03:09:53 Devastator: likely mostly whatever's reasonably priced. I'd like wood, but apparently that's pretty dear.
03:10:08 Devastator: Golems are dependant on ekrov.
03:13:12 Devastator: I do need a vault with metal walls, but summoning the metal for that with spells seems likely.
03:13:28 Devastator: otherwise, some stone and mostly what'ever's reasonably priced, wood if available.
03:14:49 Piecewise__: Wood is only rare in places not near the woods
03:15:40 Piecewise__: But if we're building using naturally sourced materials, then the only costs would be labor and any thing else you buy
03:16:32 Devastator: mmm, probably want at least some stuff. Need a bunch of rooms and furnature and such.
03:16:37 Devastator: and like a stove or something.
03:18:28 Piecewise__: I mean you just want a really rough guess estimate of a base that size?
03:18:51 Piecewise__: Yeah, something like that
03:19:57 Devastator: just kinda want a ballpark estimate for how much we need to loot.
03:22:54 Devastator: gives me a budget for luxuries and fittings and what not.
03:27:38 Devastator: or to know if we're way short and need to drum up more money or cut back somewhere.
03:33:09 Piecewise__: I'd shoot for 4-5K
03:36:43 Devastator: Probably need some extras for tools on top of that, hmm.
03:36:59 Devastator: yeah, need some jewellers tools, probably at least one forge.
03:37:07 Devastator: eh, those are all fittings.
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03:39:17 syv: "Wait, we're already building a house together? Isn't this a bit too fast? I thought we were supposed to start with dating..." -Ekrov, probably
03:40:15 syv: "Dating? We killed clockwork dragons together, doesn't that count as dating?"
03:41:08 ER: this will never happen, because the laws of anime dictate that ek's unrequited crush shall remain as such for all time
03:42:05 syv: Weirdly enough, I usually find that trope extremely annoying, but when I'm applying it to my own character it's great.
03:42:17 Devastator: "Well, I kinda need a place to keep my giant monster. And it'd be nice to be able to experiment with like guns and robots. Plus I want to start a business and need a headquarters."
03:42:23 ER: Anyway, tell
dev a good, logical reason why he should let me participate in the adventure
03:42:47 Devastator: Look, I'm not vetoing Zavi coming in the king door, just want to look in there first.
03:43:02 syv: I've been awake since... noon, huh, that's only twelve hours.
03:44:00 syv: It probably will just eject you worst case.
03:44:47 syv: And might have no substantial effect beyond disenchanting gear. Might have no effect at all, since the King led the way.
03:44:52 Devastator: "You fall into the all-encompassing darkness, entering a hell of sensory deprivation that leaves your mind wandering and broken in its endless expanse of nothingness, where you have no mouth with which to scream and no ears with which to hear."
03:45:25 syv: Stop convincing the mage breaker to not fall for my plan to remove her.
03:45:39 Devastator: TBH, I agree with you, it might work, and it'll probably just bounce.
03:45:56 Devastator: Worst case is probably some deleveling or mana drain.
03:46:05 syv: But yeah, I think there's a decent chance just following will work.
03:46:38 syv: Failing that, handholding should definitely work, and also engender envy in the resident gullible oracle.
03:47:16 Devastator: well, you can come too.
03:47:30 Devastator: It's going to be so awkward once Saeko gets big enough for Ekrov to literally ride her platonically. ;-p
03:47:38 syv: OOC it's not really worth it, and I'm more interested in the junk outside anyway.
03:47:53 syv: IC, yes, Ekrov would be champing at the bit to see inside, but screw him.
03:48:04 ER: I mean, I'm thinking that I should go with you when you go to retrieve this absurdly powerful object.
03:48:36 ER: You guys were freakign out about the political ramifications of some magicoal.
03:48:42 syv: It does seem like something your employers would want you to do.
03:49:00 syv: Did we ever bring that up with Zavi directly?
03:49:33 Devastator: I think there was an exchange.
03:49:57 Devastator: but by this point Saeko has been told to play nice, and Zavi has managed to not blow up the mana room, so it seems a lot more reasonable.
03:55:29 Devastator: so, yeah, Zavi can come in, but just let me get the description first at least, ok?
03:55:37 Devastator: It still might be on fire or something hostile.
03:55:48 Devastator: You didn't ask if Saeko would be 'burned to death', did you,
syv?
03:56:36 syv: I asked if just walking in would hurt her bad, and Dubs implied that was insufficient phrasing. That's all.
03:56:45 ER: If it were on fire, the objects we retrived would be hot to the touch, and the water would have boiled away
03:56:59 syv: I'm sure if you press the big red button that'll prolly kill you, but you're not Egan.
03:58:12 ER:
njw admitted that incinerating the big pile of alchemical stuff in order to GAIN ITS POWER when the flame grows stronger by burning interesting stuff did make sense from a certain point of view
03:59:25 ER: and the death before that was kiind of a lol instakill for RPing as a not very pragmatic big ole hedonist
04:02:20 Devastator: Didn't you die -twice- in succession there?
04:02:33 syv: I think you're trying to argue that you don't get characters killed often, but it's not gonna work because I'm pretty sure you've lost more characters than anyone else I play forum games with.
04:02:43 Devastator: Look,
ER, I agreed to it.
04:02:51 syv: Possibly by an order of magnitude.
04:02:59 ER: I haven't lost a lot of characters since... I quit omega
04:03:11 ER: mostly just the games have died...
04:03:12 syv:
Dev, there is an argument to take her this turn.
04:03:27 syv: She's a meat shield, for one, and a powerful ally for two.
04:03:37 Devastator: Saeko's tougher than her, though.
04:03:45 ER: Also a not-meat shield, which is a lot sturdier.
04:03:46 syv: If extending the effect requires handholding, you literally can rein her in.
04:03:52 Devastator: Zavi isn't still wearing naked armour, right?
04:04:05 Devastator: actually, no, I think Zavi can outmuscle her pretty good.
04:04:13 ER: gesus, read zavi's description
04:04:19 ER: it hasn't said that in aaaages
04:05:20 syv: "Oh yes, I shouldn't use the annoying government spy that's watching me as a meatshield, because I can take hits better than her. It would be such a terrible thing to have her die when I'd only get crippled if I were taking the lead"
04:05:30 syv: "I'm not *evil* after all"
04:05:56 Devastator: Nah, it's more that if Saeko is going to try and kill her, she isn't going to do it with something that probably won't work.
04:06:05 syv: But yeah, she goes to press the big read button? Say no. She goes anyway? Let go.
04:06:16 Devastator: That sort of thing, yeah, sure.
04:06:41 ER: I assume the black field won't extend past the entrance, really.
04:06:58 Devastator: but maybe not for sure.
04:07:00 syv: There's little risk, and fair potential reward--Zavi is a powerful ally and a nice shield.
04:07:09 Devastator: if it's protective like foam padding it might go all the way in.
04:07:12 syv: I expect the black is cast over the entire space.
04:07:22 Devastator: Saeko does want first look, though.
04:07:25 Devastator: she does want to explore.
04:09:11 Devastator: Zavi can come, just want first look.
04:09:17 Devastator: both to see if it's safe, and because it's first.
04:11:01 syv: I'd never taken you for a "FIRST!!1!" person.
04:12:23 Devastator: I'm not, but Saeko is here to explore.
04:15:47 Devastator: although sometimes I do do things like that, just to speed something along.
04:39:10 Devastator: "Banish Vacuum" = shoot to space?
04:46:07 Devastator: once or twice, I think.
05:50:24 Devastator: will do k-com this saturday.
05:50:30 Devastator: you have only missing orders.
05:53:27 GameServ:
ER rolled 1d2: 1 <Total: 1>
05:53:35 GameServ:
ER rolled 1d2: 1 <Total: 1>
05:55:22 GameServ:
syv rolled 1d2: 2 <Total: 2>
05:56:33 Devastator: there are things none of you know about to spy on.
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06:11:52 ER: what is cost for new base? 50?
06:12:43 ER: oh, and how long does it take
06:13:29 Devastator: Just a turn, and yes, 50.
06:13:57 Devastator: Do give me a location, too.
06:15:16 sy: That's definitely an idea. A hangar, a runway, and bam. Safeish MS project housing.
06:15:35 sy: Can a plane fly to another base, pick up a unit, then fly to battle?
06:17:06 ER: hey
sy, do you have an estimate for how much you would be willing to sell fighters to us for?
06:18:20 Devastator: I'm just not sure. I'll say yes, but I might change my mind.
06:18:21 sy: Depends on offers, prolly not too much. 250-300.
06:19:00 sy: 200 is how much they cost to make, so that's pretty much the floor unless I seriously get money issues.
06:40:57 ER:
dev, does Small Arms have an advantage over Rocket launchers at all ever?
06:41:19 ER: like, being used while moving or something?
06:52:57 Devastator: reading the catgirl description, just a sec.
06:53:43 Devastator: Okay, so you want to draw on extrauniversal energy, and not matter?
06:54:03 ER: does it matter how I describe it?
06:54:32 ER: I want to use it to create swords which thirst for the blood of large enemies and can repair their wielders.
06:54:34 Devastator: A little, gotta judge what it can do.
06:55:12 Devastator: catgirls seem ok, but I'll need a bit to stat them up. Can't give you an ETA without all my notes open, so it'll have to wait for the turn.
06:55:28 Devastator: seems fine. I'm assuming you want them to be able to self-deploy, right?
06:56:03 Devastator: built in exoskeletons, purchased swords, and rocket launchers.
06:56:13 Devastator: well, power armour exoskeletons.
06:57:04 Devastator: only warning is,
ER, it'll take another seven kaiju muscle samples to make the first batch, when design is complete.
06:57:20 Devastator: well, seven muscle and four gut.
06:57:43 ER: I know, that's why I'm planning to be able to get that stuff. :P
06:57:51 Devastator: Yeah, just making sure.
07:00:30 Devastator: I'm imagining like Roy Greenhilt's sword.
07:03:17 Devastator: clicked on another one, where the guy apparently wonders how much it hurts to get shot while wearing a bulletproof vest.
07:03:25 Devastator: How many people die doing that each year?
07:03:41 Devastator: yeah, that's fine, they're superhuman.
07:04:02 ER: greatsword ultra greatsword is bae
07:04:55 ER: despite the fact that you get it after qaelaag and it's basically identical to the zwei you can get from the graveyard, except with slightly lower DR
07:05:13 ER: and a trhust attack, which is... a thing.
07:05:34 ER: it exists. you can trhust with it, and not with the zwei
07:10:16 syv: Actually you can thrust with the zwei.
07:10:25 syv: Its rolling attack is a really nice thrust.
07:11:22 ER: I guess it would be easier to land the trust with the GSUGS, because it's wider than the zwei
07:16:50 syv: I think the thrust holds the sword so the blade is vertical, so...
07:17:12 syv: Zwei is a bit shorter, but is also faster and lighter.
07:17:46 syv: Also you *mostly* can't really dead angle thrusts, though you can ghost strike them.
07:18:47 ER: who cares about dead angling, that's a pvp mechanic~
07:18:49 Devastator: please, clearly not dead angles, dead angels.
07:23:07 syv: Dead angling is super useful in PvE actually.
07:23:17 syv: Just not for piercing shields.
07:23:22 ER: almost enough to buy that high energy lab...
07:23:38 ER: which I guess means I'll most likely be able to get it next month.
07:23:41 syv:
Dev, the advanced materials lab/shop.
07:24:00 syv: Do units made with those cost more than units made with traditional methods?
07:24:05 ER:
Dev, does the high energy lab affect projects in progess when it builds?
07:24:27 ER: ...I forgot exotic materials was a THING
07:24:49 syv: I only remembered because I reread the OP for prices.
07:24:57 Devastator: yes HELs can help in-progress projects.
07:25:12 Devastator: advance mat labs do make more costly units.
07:26:02 Devastator: They're pretty nice, though.
07:26:02 ER: yeah, I should get high energy catgirls if I hold off a month for that
07:26:11 Devastator: or advanced catgirls.
07:26:52 ER: probably not going for exotic meterials catgirls. They're already crammed full of kaiju and that would take a bit for the exotic lab to build
07:27:25 ER: though I admit that the prospect of exotic catgirls is enticing
07:27:29 Devastator: Plus irony would calle them Exotic Catgirls.
07:30:09 Devastator: I should say that exotic material modifications and weapons are possible.
07:30:24 Devastator: but you still need a lab and workshop to make them.
07:32:01 ER: so by the end, we're going to need a gigantic, exotic, kaiju bit using unit that's been modified by mad science, right?
07:33:11 syv: Can a normal lab reverse engineer an exotic design?
07:33:21 syv: So one person builds the lab, the other the workshop?
07:33:42 Devastator: I'd let that work, yeah.
07:33:50 Devastator: just for the 1 turn and 20 cr cost.
07:36:45 syv: Would make more sense to funnel the money to build the workshop to the guy with the lab.
07:37:13 syv: Does pile more upkeep on them, but they also get to control where the units go.
07:40:11 Devastator: of course, you don't know what you get from one..
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07:46:07 Devastator: but nah, good stuff and it works differently than kaiju bits.
07:46:23 Devastator: same with the high energy lab.
07:47:50 Devastator: high energy catgirls is also a good phrase.
07:48:01 Devastator: but they do different stuff, so don't worry about one or the other being wasted.
07:48:58 ER: well, i can always go for the 4-set anyways
07:49:22 ER: i can get mad science and exotics in their equipment
07:49:33 ER: or just revise them, I guess
07:50:33 Devastator: I'm afraid you can't revise something to be exotic.
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07:54:47 Devastator: because you have to work exotic in from the beginning.
07:55:00 Devastator: It's different. Sorry.
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07:55:29 Devastator: I'm sorry. It makes sense looking at how R&D work.
07:58:22 Devastator: If you could do that it'd be extremely advantageous to the point where it'd be the obviously superior strategy.
08:13:33 Devastator: I think I might have annoyed him with a non answer about exotic materials.
08:13:44 Devastator: I really can't give more specifics without laying out how research works, and I don't want to do that.
08:16:13 ER: I don't feel very tired, but it is a fairly good time to go to sleep, and the only thing left to do is update that minimalist game, which I don't really want to do
08:16:24 ER: this is why I can't run games
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18:43:51 ER: I'd recommend that Salt could fly up and get the Core, but the mana wuld probably either make her literally explode on contact or instantly turn into a kaiju sized baboon condor.
18:44:59 ER: Also, seeing as the place is a mansion, I suspect that the intention is that the king can have guests in there, but those who don't carry the key and reletively powerless compared to him.
18:46:29 ER: Also, it appears that non-living objects end up in a different place, so you're probably in a pocket dimension?
22:48:51 Devastator: It still might be king-only, but yes, I'm willing to let Zavi in.
22:48:56 Devastator: it does seem a little possibly dangerous.
22:49:24 Devastator: Maybe it eats non-authorized stuff.
22:49:28 Devastator: wonder why it's smaller, too.
22:49:33 Devastator: Also,
Piecewise__, didn't you say that the thaumic furnace woudl be easy? d20 doesn't seem easy..
22:50:09 Piecewise__: easy to make I think I said
22:50:19 Piecewise__: also, he's rolling d12+5.
22:50:42 Piecewise__: He automatically succeeds 25%+ of the time
22:51:28 ER: But it's also easy to critfail a d20 even at d12+5
22:51:47 ER: or at least far from impossible
22:54:33 Devastator: Success chance is 52%.
22:55:08 Devastator: I mean, not impossible, but the guy's been dissassembling thaumic stuff for days now, and has max stats for the job.
22:56:42 Devastator: but eh, if not we'll do something else.
22:58:12 Devastator: can I do a few quick tests before inviting Zavi in?
22:59:10 ER: I'm pretty sure you can do this on your own with bird wings or whatever, so I'll stand back
22:59:28 Devastator: seeing what happens if I put that new bird statue down.
22:59:41 Devastator: I didn't think there was that much overall space, but other than that I didn't have any solid idea.
23:00:01 Devastator: although I do remember picturing that the core would be a diamond and not an orb. Dunno where orb came from.
23:00:13 Devastator: like just put it down on a desk or a couch somewhere and see if something happens to it.
23:00:32 ER:
Piecewise__ is the sphere inside the door the right size to physically fit with the outside, or is it bigger?
23:00:48 ER: I don't think you ever said how big the center of the control room was
23:01:26 Piecewise__: Yeah, it seems not to be impossible space, least in terms of that inner sphere
23:01:29 ER: I was told that it was that shape iirc
23:02:06 Devastator: I did know the space was round, but not that it was spherical.
23:02:15 Devastator: yeah, lots of ways to get to the middle, but want tests first.
23:02:29 Devastator: then I'll take zavi in, and then we either grab it or loot first and then grab it.
23:09:21 Devastator: so anything happen to the small statue?
23:11:04 Devastator: does it turn back to a small ingot or does it vanish out of existance or does it get sucked into the core, or..?
23:26:28 Devastator: take your time then.
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