00:04:00 Devastator: well, Zavi didn't explode.
00:04:07 Devastator: also heya
Piecewise.
00:04:17 Devastator: I suspect we might have our first death in Cabal.
00:08:30 Piecewise: If she keeps this up
00:08:40 Piecewise: even if not, just unleashed an unpleasant thing
00:09:32 Devastator: I don't know, those don't seem like orders to.. go away from the ooze.
00:10:24 Piecewise: do they involve eating the ooze?
00:10:49 Devastator: Thrashing about, basically.
00:12:59 Devastator: It's not that bad, but all Str based stuff.
00:14:56 Devastator: Anyway, did Saeko see the abandoned village during her journeys so far?
00:21:25 Piecewise: The village isn't abandoned
00:21:29 Piecewise: its just within ruins
00:21:39 Piecewise: Like the ruins you're in now
00:22:21 Devastator: was it the one she visited?
00:23:07 Piecewise: It was not one you have visited
00:24:42 Devastator: Dang. Maybe it was Molybdena.
00:24:54 Devastator: well, gotta get back on the horse.
00:26:59 Devastator: the big flying horse.
00:27:11 Devastator: would a strengthened steel drill be enough to get through the wall?
00:37:33 Piecewise: honestly, there are a lot of things that COULD but nothing easy
00:37:39 Piecewise: even with your massive mana pools
00:39:24 Devastator: Yeah, I suppose. Well, I'll enchant something and see if I can get a direction for that village.
00:39:41 Devastator: or have Ekrov reverse-banish Saeko there and use the popsicle stick to fall safely.
00:40:29 Devastator: the drill is because of what you said about the thin gold rod.. all we need to do is get through, and then you can pop over to the other side.
05:01:08 ER: "He's kicking it. Overwatch says stop kicking it. He stopped kicking it."
05:10:44 Devastator: So,
ER, would Zavi be interested in coming with Saeko in case someone's ass needs to be kicked to get the key back?
05:10:49 Devastator: you're free to not do that, though.
05:12:21 Devastator: ok, no worries then.
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06:41:35 Devastator: annoyed at the plant owner.
06:41:54 MidJag_: not following good public health practices?
06:42:06 Devastator: Issued orders to the point of "I want to make sure you make as much money as possible before being forced to close" while spending the last two-plus weeks away from the shop.
06:44:08 MidJag_: Eh, very stressed, but only a bit more than usual.
06:44:36 MidJag_: Gotta memorize like 7 fucking pathways by Friday at 5.
06:44:51 MidJag_: Which is pretty much my version of hell.
06:46:00 MidJag_: Actually no, my version of hell is having to memorize and be able to draw out 7 pathwars, I hon;y have to know the names for these so it's not as bad
06:46:42 MidJag_: Biological pathways, like glycolsis, which is the way cells and bacteria break down glucose and teventually turn it into ATP and pryvuate.
06:48:11 syv: Ah. How complex are they, overall?
06:48:36 MidJag_: This is the one I've already memorized once before
06:50:26 MidJag_: I love biology in general, but memorizing biological pathways like this the thing I hate...Well that and memorizing anatomy I guess.
06:52:10 MidJag_: But like anatomy isn't as bad/more generically intresting since at least it kinda ties into the way organ systems work, like the way georgraphy ties into history.
06:53:54 Devastator: that's not too bad.
06:54:06 Devastator: but yeah.. looks rough.
06:54:37 Devastator: 7 of those looks like a slog.
06:55:06 MidJag_: Yeah. It's doable, it's just going to suuuck. But like it's not like I have any other obligations due to the whole being home thing.
07:01:48 Devastator: by Friday at 5, welp.
07:02:51 MidJag_: hmm, I should go to bed actually.
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07:04:04 syv: Gotta memorize all them pathways
07:04:37 syv: Apparently Naturegirl is Iowan.
07:07:19 syv: I have a vauge knowledge of where it is. In the empty flat area full of domesticated plants
07:08:15 ER: sort of between the checkerboard and the lakes
07:08:32 ER: like it's reaching out to poke the lakes but not quite
07:12:42 syv: It's... France's, but they stuck "Iowa" and some generic American stuff on it.
07:13:08 syv: I guess they also widened the white area, marginalizing the colors.
07:13:12 ER: french flag, eagle, libertarian nonsense, Iowa in a cool font
07:14:20 ER: I see that, I think of uh, barbieque
07:15:20 syv: You know, I've never liked Florida's flag, and I think it's probably worse now that I compare it.
07:15:33 syv: Alabama is just the worst though,
MJ wins.
07:15:58 Devastator is happy about BC's flag.
07:15:58 ER: hmm, yeah florida's got that complex image in the middle
07:16:11 ER: non-ideal flag design, floridians!
07:16:20 syv: We took this design and put a picture on it.
07:16:25 Devastator: Iowa, the northernmost corn state.
07:16:36 ER: and "in god we trust", wooo!
07:16:42 syv: Which would be a terrible idea if only that flag weren't literally just a red X.
07:17:02 syv: "What's your state about?" "NO!"
07:17:03 Devastator: Eh, that's the scottish flag anyway.
07:17:28 syv: You know, the scottish flag actually looks appealing.
07:17:43 syv: A nice blue, happy white X.
07:17:49 ER: hey, those texan fuckers stole ours and put it upside down!
07:18:21 syv: California's just makes me think of the NCR.
07:19:26 syv: What is *up* with Maryland's flag?
07:20:22 syv: I like simpler designs, but it at least doesn't make me unhappu just looking at it.
07:20:52 syv: And the UK's flag is just nice.
07:21:04 Devastator: can't find an easy map of all the canadian provinces like that US one.
07:21:26 ER: it's interesting how many us state flags decided to put state name on it
07:23:17 Devastator: I don't believe any of the canadian ones do that.
07:24:20 syv: Ohio's flag is a special snowflake.
07:24:34 syv: It took me a long time to figure out that it was Ohio.
07:26:01 Devastator: There's also this one.
07:26:13 Devastator: That was the flag before the maple leaf.
07:26:19 syv: Yeah, those just aren't bad.
07:26:35 syv: Even Nova Scotia is kinda "Florida, but what if just better?"
07:28:56 syv: Maple leaf was an improvement.
07:29:47 Devastator: but the Maple Leaf is damn good.
07:30:00 Devastator: very high bar, that.
07:35:18 Devastator: I don't think I'd call it the best national flag, but probably top 20.
07:38:59 Devastator: eh, I wouldn't call the state ones great, but they could be worse.
07:40:45 syv: Obviously the beat national flag is mine.
07:41:26 syv: Does Atlantis even have a flag?
07:41:33 Devastator: I'm sure someone made up one for it.
07:41:45 Devastator: I do like saskachewan's flag, though.
07:41:53 Devastator: Any of you ever been there?
07:42:23 ER: didn't you describe it once? oh, it doesn't matter
07:42:30 syv: Maybe someday I'll have a character spontaneously think "Oh. You know, wishes changing the world makes a lot of sense. It's probably why the national flag looks like a twelve year old's scribbling."
07:42:39 syv: I have never mentioned PS land's flag.
07:42:53 syv: And have only really joked about it being Atlantis.
07:43:15 Devastator: Would a kid wish to draw the falg, though?
07:43:33 Devastator: I mean, not the weirdest thing, I suppose.
07:43:34 ER: no, it being atlantis is cly canon
07:43:45 Devastator: eh, it's as good a name as any other.
07:44:17 syv: More likely, the kid wished the country into existence, and just designed the flag as part of the wish or as a result.
07:44:37 Devastator: her soulgem would be on it, then.
07:44:39 syv: But it works better as an unaimed insult with the country remaining ambiguous.
07:44:55 syv: Plenty of flags have crowns~
07:45:08 Devastator: Yeah, crown or some kind of jewelry shape.
07:45:17 Devastator: and a couple of colours, and you're done.
07:46:12 syv: ah yes lavender and tangerine
07:47:02 Devastator: I'm just imagining, that'd be hilarious.
07:58:47 ER: I've now watched a full playthrough of half life alyx
07:59:39 ER: it seems to do a good job demonstrating that VR games can be real games, and can do things that would be difficult to replicate without the VR setup
08:00:28 Devastator: so how's the gameplay?
08:01:02 ER: moving objects around, solving puzzles, and shooting aliens.
08:01:20 syv: I still want AoTTG VR, but better than the crao version that's been made
08:01:29 ER: lots of targetting glowing weakpoints
08:01:58 ER: oh, and searching through stuff for ammo and resin
08:03:11 ER: Uh, what do you mean by "how much moving"?
08:07:15 syv: Traveling? Walking through the gameworld, changing one's in game position without changing your RL position.
08:11:28 syv: There should be a VR game about driving a car while shooting things.
08:11:36 syv: That makes sense on a bunch of levels.
08:11:55 ER: oh, and just to piss off
dev they made the weapons upgradable and the enemies are less common but often survive longer compared to normal half-life~
08:12:29 syv: Hey
Devastator, what do you think about VR in general?
08:22:09 Devastator: I can't use it, it gives me eye issues.
08:22:40 ER: I can't use it either, I don't got no money.
08:22:55 Devastator: Also seems like the gameplay will be inherantly weak.
08:24:48 syv: What do you think of non-vr games adapted to VR, without changing the actual gameplay?
08:25:39 Devastator: They'll suck due to shitty controls, like the bad console ports of my youth.
08:26:00 Devastator: or console FPS in general, really.
08:27:25 syv: Nah, nah, I mean just using it as an alternate viewing method.
08:27:28 Devastator: Eventually they'll get adequate, but half that will be efforts of varying invisibility to compensate and half reduction in gameplay crispness for not-VR.
08:27:43 syv: Not with the wands or whatever, just with the head thing and a normal controller.
08:27:47 Devastator: eh, if it's vision alone it won't change much.
08:28:38 ER: apparently it's an amazing experince, but yeah I'm sure the vision doesn't change anything~
08:30:49 Devastator: well.. yes, I'm blind, my peripheral vision sucks, and it has nothing to offer me.
08:33:48 Devastator: There are definately elitist elements in that I've never been satisfied by thumbstick controls, but the vision isn't a strength.
08:35:24 syv: Frankly I think VR should be pretty cool just for getting to stab things... but I am a simple person.
08:36:15 ER: unless you count stabbing yourself with a syringe
08:36:37 ER: other games got you covered there, though
08:38:57 syv: Sword and Sorcery looks utterly boringly simple and I'm certain I could lose many many hours to it.
08:39:46 ER: honest, I'm amply entertained by just watching VR games on youtube and then having dreams that I'm playing VR games
09:26:31 ER: this seems to be the motto of whisperling's games
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23:40:03 Devastator: These are pretty good.
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