02:54:26 Devastator: currently fighting it out with a Russian trump-bot.
02:55:07 Devastator: A very obscure blog ran by a specific republican lawyer.
02:55:23 Devastator: one of very few people who actually has a reason to hate democrats, rather than getting indoctrinated into one.
02:55:43 Devastator: He's got one trump-bot who trolls the blog whenever someone posts any dissenting facts or something.
02:56:49 piecewise: I feel like the world has become an argument between atheists and christians
02:56:56 piecewise: lots of anger that convinces no one
02:58:32 Devastator: the goal I have isn't to convince the trump-bot.
02:58:58 Devastator: the goal I have is to make the trump-bot answer questions, so the blog author can see the facts.
02:59:50 Devastator: Nah, it's fine, I'm arguing from calmness here.
03:01:13 piecewise: Nah, I just don't know any of the details so I don't have much to add
03:01:33 Devastator: It's fine. I do know the details about this stuff.
03:02:30 Devastator: and the bots hate people who link original sources instead of news articles.
03:02:50 piecewise: news these days is terrible on both sides
03:03:07 Devastator: it's not that bad, except for the deliberate liars.
03:03:27 Devastator: remember, the other goal is to convince people that you can't know what really happened, not just that 'x' happened.
03:03:36 piecewise: I dunno, every news story I ever see is terrible. Either sensationalist, stupid, or misinformed
03:03:41 Devastator: You can totally know what really happened if you're sufficiently diligent.
03:04:11 Devastator: just have to find the right people and to use original sources and direct evidence as often as possible.
03:05:59 Devastator: it's harder than it should be.
03:10:53 piecewise: I think the only news stories I watched recently were one about corona where the presenter seemed to willfully misunderstand things for sensationalism and one about a trump building in which the presenter spent like 5 minutes trying to say it looks like a dick
03:12:12 piecewise: Rachel maddow I think that last one was
03:13:00 Devastator: ugh, I gotta go find a transcript now, I don't have this one ready.
03:21:05 Devastator: Dangit, I hate when this happens.
03:32:28 Devastator: they're also not used to people correcting the subtle lies in the canned arguments.
03:35:09 Devastator: Sorry. It's just enjoyable because the audience is a lawyer who won't miss the points I'm making.
03:51:31 piecewise: Oh don't worry, I was just playing a weird game
03:54:32 Devastator: Did hit the zen moment of quoting a trump-bot against itself.
03:55:58 Devastator: "He was corrupt in acting as counsel for the 18 house witnesses as well as judge" being used against "He did nothing to prepare his case before the Senate."
03:56:41 Devastator: So.. how are those both true again? ;-p
03:59:22 Devastator: did one on bay12 once, although I'm not 100% certain that was a bot.
04:00:24 Devastator: (response by the bot to a pic of a soldier) "That's a Ukranian, not a Russian soldier."
04:00:39 Devastator: a couple pages earlier, "You can't tell a Ukranian from a Russian by looking at them."
04:03:24 Devastator: But yeah, if you want advice, basically the most important thing is to stick to the facts. What specifically happened, who did it, and when.
04:03:34 Devastator: avoid whys and going too far away from the facts.
04:03:50 Devastator: something blatantly contradictory will show up, and soon.
04:04:18 Devastator: When you add something, always come from an unexpected direction, because it'll get the bot off-script.
04:05:28 piecewise: By bot are you meaning actual chat bot or real person with a bot mentality/
04:06:00 Devastator: real people paid to spam.
04:06:06 Devastator: chat bots are pointless.
04:06:35 Devastator: paid spammers are mostly pointless, but if you're quick, concise, and accurate, and if you present novel arguments, you can do good.
04:07:45 Devastator: anyway, done enough of that for a few days.
04:07:49 Devastator: time to move on to games.
04:08:24 Devastator: could continue IVAN.
04:08:28 Devastator: and what weird thing were you playing?
04:11:01 piecewise: also, i doubt there's a paid spammer on bay12. Occam's razor indicates just a guy with mistaken ideas
04:12:25 Devastator: They're like pretty common,
PW.
04:13:24 Devastator: I'm not sure, though.
04:13:34 Devastator: Def ran into some in far more obscure places than bay12.
04:14:39 Devastator: There are certainly a few on "In the Pipeline", which is Derek Lowe's non-political blog.
04:14:49 Devastator: about medicinal chemistry.
04:17:04 Devastator: ..someone made a commercial product out of that flash game?
04:20:22 Devastator: 70,000 tons, 28.5 knots, and so far you're thinking, "So far, so Yamato.."
04:20:31 Devastator: armament, 12x 16" guns..
04:20:44 Devastator: so, like South Dakota class, about five or ten years ahead of time, what's wrong with that?
04:20:53 Devastator: Wait.. where does that translate to 70,000 tons?
04:21:00 Devastator: 18 inch thick armour belt.
04:21:06 Devastator: I need to watch this channel.
04:34:01 Devastator: Starting with HMS Dreadnaught, naturally..
04:35:08 Devastator: "At least that is what the sane countries did. Some countries, such as France.."
05:02:42 piecewise: a dry sense of humor he has
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05:08:19 Devastator: oh, can you add "use human to fix Saeko's hand" to
syv's orders?
05:15:20 Devastator: I'll ask him about it if I see him tonight.
05:18:12 piecewise: Sure, though to be double sure you might want to amend it to the bottom of your post to remind me
05:18:21 piecewise: who knows what state I'll be in tomorrow
05:20:08 Devastator: also, does she have elf ears yet or they still just a bit pointy?
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05:35:08 Devastator: watching a youtube channel about botes.
05:38:52 MidJag: I'm bashing my head against some impenatrable prose for my mueseum studies class.
05:44:03 MidJag: Yes, it's currentlly talking about the metacontexual nature of the art world and I'm slowly going insane from it.
05:44:32 Devastator: sounds like one of those remove all the adjectives situation
05:49:24 MidJag: From what I've managed to pry from it's grasp it's essentially saying that art is valuless and meaningless out side of a specific context and even the mear act of studying the art or it's context changes it's meaning.
05:52:34 Devastator: sounds basic, but meaningless.
05:55:38 Devastator: At least for.. impressionistic art?
05:58:50 MidJag: This whole reading is a bit too postmodern for me.
06:19:10 Devastator: Probably the most reknown battleship in history.
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08:16:37 Devastator: but could you add 'heal saeko's missing fingers' to your cabal orders?
08:17:10 Devastator: you know this probably would be the first one killed if you hadn't killed one already.
08:19:40 syv: Do you mean that killing one earlier made this one so tough that it doesn't die?
08:20:37 Devastator: no, I mean if the k-coms didn't exist this would probably be the first one straight-up killed.
08:21:13 syv: Yeah, I was expecting the US fighters to do a lot.
08:22:05 syv: Do you just not count the bobbit worm, because it was killed by nukes?
08:22:09 Devastator: also, technically there would be a second attack, but it's probably too late.
08:23:37 Devastator: just worried about too many extras for this battle.
08:23:53 Devastator: I mean, there aren't a lot of cities in the world where you'll get this much stuff happening.
08:26:19 syv: Considering it's New York, uh, yeah. I'd expect it to be pretty unusual.
08:27:27 Devastator: not much for you, I'm afraid.
08:30:14 Devastator: I'll try to do the battle this weekend.
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20:42:01 er: Yeah, that's a god dammit actually
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