00:55:58 Devastator: I'm surprised you didn't have zavi ask for a pet crow.
01:10:47 ER: Imagine getting rodent as your starting word with Will.
01:16:03 Devastator: "I make Zavi irresistable to monkeys."
01:28:46 Devastator: pied piper of monkeys.
01:31:46 Devastator: besides, it isn't like you could stop her. ;-p
01:32:15 ER: I could absolutely tear your soul out though.
01:33:42 Devastator: (Yeah, you could stop her)
01:33:45 Devastator: either by blowing up.
01:33:52 Devastator: what's the soul tearing ability?
01:40:40 IronyOwl: I'm deciding both of you nerds' starting stuff right now
01:41:57 IronyOwl: you get a sack of elk manure and nothing else
01:41:58 ER: Pondered giving i-666 a proper presonality description.
01:42:24 ER: though maybe it's easier to just say "this is a villian protagonist"
01:46:03 ER: just need to figure out how to do a profane ritual using that
01:46:31 Devastator: sac one of your idols for power.
01:47:38 ER: uh, I'd assume I don't start with one of those
01:47:51 ER: but yeah, I could just kidnap someone :3
01:48:05 Devastator: Hrm, I thought we'd start with idols.
01:49:03 ER: If creed rolls a six during combat, does a random ass baneblade appear?
01:49:51 Devastator: Planning on researching stuff like that.
01:54:04 Devastator: Can creed have an infinite supply of cigars?
01:54:42 ER: presumably, that's just part of his body
01:58:03 ER: I did have an unrelated idea before of a high-level AI running an expensive brothel crewed entirely by its own remote controlled bodies, which would be a good backstory for this game.
02:00:22 Devastator: That sounds like
PW.
02:03:48 IronyOwl: that does sound like
pw
02:03:58 IronyOwl: I'm trying to figure out what to give Creed, it could be infinite cigars
02:04:16 IronyOwl: as for starting with idols or not... well, you'll see :D
02:05:24 ER: huh, it was just an occupation I thought would make sense for a very competant AI with high upkeep costs and alien priorities.
02:06:05 ER: just optimize sex so much that people give you tons of money
02:07:00 IronyOwl: unless a competitor offers highly optimized sex AND lots of cocaine...
02:12:12 IronyOwl:
Dev what do you want to start out with? Probably something military-based, and thus probably not super useful for fighting kaiju with
02:12:25 ER: If another alpha-plus AI starts stealing your market you just have to assassainate them I mean uh, move somewhere else real quick.
02:12:32 Devastator: Not really any idea in setting.
02:13:04 Devastator: I suppose for Creed it would be a baneblade tank, but that's useful against kaiju. ;-p
02:13:56 Devastator: infinite cigars would be fine, but anything goes.
02:19:09 IronyOwl: probably gonna give you a baneblade that folds into a briefcase for the lolz
02:21:52 Devastator: ..that said, baneblades are prolly legit anti-kaiju weapons.
02:21:58 Devastator: not that I'd abuse that.
02:22:35 IronyOwl: these kaiju are a little odd, so conventional weapons don't seem to work as well against them anyway
02:22:51 IronyOwl: not that they're useless, it's just less than ideal
02:23:24 Devastator: it's also the size of a small house.
02:23:26 ER: will a nuke headshot take one out
02:23:38 IronyOwl: how would a bird know that? XD
02:23:47 Devastator: basically it'd be a Huge class tank.
02:23:54 ER: same way the bird knows everything
02:24:13 IronyOwl: IT WAS AN INSIDE JO- *static*
02:24:57 ER: I'm pretty sure this creature could take down an owl. :D
02:26:50 Devastator: I suppose a baneblade is more reasonable than a Warhound Titan.
02:27:00 Devastator: which is basically a vertical baneblade with twice the guns.
02:27:15 ER: now you're cooking with battletech
02:29:43 Devastator: I bought a Basilisk artillery piece as a starting equipment purchase in someone's Rogue Trader game that never got off the ground.
02:30:01 Devastator: A shame.. it would have filled a lot of situations where everything not us just needs to blow up.
02:30:11 Devastator: and where ship-mounted weaponry was slightly overkill.
02:30:35 ER: but isn't there no such thing as overkill?
02:30:50 ER: will agree that basilisks are fun
02:31:13 Piecewise: Overkill does not exist
02:31:27 Piecewise: there is kill and then making sure the kill has worked
02:33:06 Devastator: well, sometimes firing ship weapons means someone fires anti-ship weapons at your ship.
02:33:26 Devastator: if you aren't there to help it might suck.
02:33:27 ER: then you fire ship weapons at them, too~
02:34:22 ER: mm, yeah, one problem with being imperial is that people with larger guns than you outrank you by definition.
02:34:52 ER: so maybe smoll gun is helpful after all
02:34:56 IronyOwl: no wonder they hate the tau
02:38:02 Devastator: Yeah, they got made pretty explicitly evil later on.
02:38:11 IronyOwl: hey
pw you ever play Interplanetary?
02:38:45 Piecewise: Uh...the interplanetary artillery game?
02:39:05 IronyOwl: cannon barrages are super fun, right?
02:39:15 IronyOwl: objectively correct way to play
02:39:27 IronyOwl: just fucking broadside the little shit, you'll hit SOMETHING
02:39:48 Piecewise: It was an interesting idea, but I found it a bit too slow considering how long some matches can last. Or maybe I'm just bad
02:40:18 IronyOwl: yeah it's definitely not a lightning murder kinda game
02:40:25 IronyOwl: there's lots of basebuilding and research and whatnot
02:40:41 IronyOwl: which then gets ruined when somebody savages your infrastructure
02:40:43 Piecewise: I think I'm more a Worms man myself
02:40:54 IronyOwl: well, still a man of culture as well
02:41:05 Piecewise: You ever hear of "Forts"?
02:41:26 Piecewise: Might be to your liking
02:41:50 IronyOwl: I am definitely intrigued
02:42:00 IronyOwl: Overwhelmingly Positive too, so something's going right
02:43:53 Devastator: does stuff blow up.
02:43:58 Devastator: and yeah, Worms is always the best.
02:44:35 ER: I had a game idea long ago which was like missile defense crossed with pong, with each player owning one side of a planet and shooting nukes at the other side, and you'd have to bounce them back around with shields.
03:02:26 IronyOwl: I wonder if we could set up games of worms or a close equivalent...
03:02:51 ER: I have worms reloaded on steam?
03:04:42 Devastator: Is reloaded the one that's almost, but not entirely, unlike armageddon?
03:04:50 ER: I feel like there are too many versions of worms, but maybe I'n wrong and it's justified
03:05:02 ER: reloaded is the one I have.
03:05:11 Devastator: I remember being immensely irritated at a new one not being properly precise, so you couldn't quite see where everything is, exactly.
03:05:21 ER: I played armageddon on the dreamcast when I was a kid though
03:05:24 Devastator: lumpy 3d models that moved about.
03:05:40 ER: I think it's the one before that one
03:06:06 IronyOwl: I remember they kept trying to make 3D worms good and I'm not sure they ever actually succeeded
03:08:33 Devastator: well, it was 2d, just that the 3d models made it impossible to see exactly where anything was.
03:08:43 Devastator: the best part of Armageddon is how utterly precise the hit detection is.
03:09:03 Devastator: which gets important when stuff blows up or rolls down hills or bounces off other stuff.
03:10:10 ER: steam helpfully tells me that irony,
PW, and
MJ all have worms armageddon
03:10:22 IronyOwl: thanks steam, you miserable stalker
03:10:38 ER: it's also $15, because apparently at some point games stopped getting cheaper as they got older
03:11:06 IronyOwl: well worth it for that price, if there's nothing better around
03:11:17 IronyOwl: which after... what, five games or something? you'd hope there would be
03:11:49 Devastator: I have it, but not on steam.
03:12:31 ER: the frustrating one you were thinking of was probably revolution,
dev
03:15:38 Devastator: I mean, it was at the point where I couldn't hit something reliably with a shotgun for full damage..
03:15:51 Devastator: and the trick there is 'aim for the middle'
03:15:55 ER: Well, I do have reloaded which is pretty much just the same game as armageddon to my memory. the only problem is that it's not literally the same game so we can't play together :P
03:47:41 Piecewise: I can't wait for them to remake worms as a FPS
03:48:14 Devastator: despite being the greatest example of a game that shouldn't be first-person.
03:48:36 ER: VR, but it's still the 2d game
03:48:46 ER: you just see them in a little ant farm
03:52:32 Piecewise: You hold them in the VR antfarm and shake it to make them fire.
03:52:42 Piecewise: you have to tell them what to do as well
03:53:17 Piecewise: "Aim up...no higher...higher...o-No low...Ok now charge aaaaaaaaand fire! Ah goddamn it"
03:53:21 Devastator: No, I want you to ninja-rope with these 20 precise movements!
03:53:50 IronyOwl: so worms but with octodad style screwups
03:54:22 Devastator: well, if octodad was a worm, it'd be easier to explain.
03:54:33 Devastator: is it canon that the kids are biologically his or not?
03:57:07 IronyOwl: that'd make it even more delightfully absurd
03:57:53 Devastator: I think someone asks that question at the end of the second game.
03:58:09 Devastator: and apparently the girl asks "How did you not know he was an octopus?"
03:58:09 ER: and that's where inklings come from
04:00:16 Devastator: mmm, ripping your penis off before mating.
04:01:49 ER: yeah, cephlopods get kinda shafted by evolution
04:02:17 IronyOwl: that's what happens when all the long-lived ones die off in a terrible calamity
04:02:49 ER: waiting for us to weaken ourselves
04:02:49 IronyOwl: oooh, that's Lovecraftian and I love it
04:04:12 IronyOwl: anyway idol turn's finally up
04:05:36 Devastator: Also, briefcase tank.
04:05:37 ER: things seem to be going well
04:05:44 Devastator: you have read ABG, right?
04:06:12 IronyOwl: got up to... I think there was food shenanigans going on
04:06:46 Devastator: well, there's a briefcase tank in it.
04:07:50 IronyOwl: this is weirding me out
ER
04:08:37 Devastator: Is anyone not a traitor?
04:08:55 IronyOwl: uhhhhh, Glass means well, the lantern is too derpy to be on anyone's side...
04:09:09 IronyOwl:
ER is evil incarnate, TricMagic is the devil
04:09:33 IronyOwl: so yeah then you want to actually save things and the robot is planning the mindrape uprising
04:09:57 IronyOwl: that gives us three villains, a derp, and two people intending to help in some reasonable fashion
04:10:09 IronyOwl: come now
dev, everyone's fucked :D
04:10:59 IronyOwl: as another way to look at it, we've got three heroes and three villains
04:11:02 Devastator: ...I'm just hoping the enemies could be killed too.
04:11:06 IronyOwl: the villains are just scarier than the heroes are reassuring
04:11:14 Devastator: well, until I have the tank out.
04:11:22 Devastator: and then the villains and the heroes are equally scary.
04:12:07 ER: I intend to break everything.
04:13:04 Devastator: oh well, I'll think of something to do.
04:13:28 Devastator: yeah, I'll put it off until tomorrow, atm, too distracted with Cabal and watching stuff and other things.
04:13:33 IronyOwl: also the point (beyond being funny) of starting you all off in a zombie apocalypse scenario but you need to locate and recruit the high quality zombies
04:13:39 Devastator: there's a lot to unpack there.
04:13:56 Devastator: you know in proper IG style, what comes to mind is that I'll just pick three randos.
04:14:36 ER: you three are commisars, here's your pistols, please shoot deserters. the rest of you are guardsmen.
04:15:15 Devastator: and beat them into shape.
04:16:26 ER: I think if the AGP were dropped into this situation they'd probably fortify the center and blow everyone up.
04:16:43 ER: of course, they're not highly qualified experts like us
04:16:51 Devastator: tbh, unfold the tank, throw people in it, wait.
04:22:24 ER: Hmm, maybe declare [untranslatable] as a test room, so that people run into it.
04:22:41 ER: who knows, maybe what they see inside will actually test them!
04:22:50 IronyOwl: that's one way to achieve [REDACTED]
04:23:10 ER: maybe they'll get trapped inside forever, unable to die. you know, anything's possible.
04:45:44 ER: Naturegirl is on the side of good. But maybe she's escape lunatic enough to be fooled into aiding my evil. :D
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04:47:34 Piecewise: Naturegirl is the New Ti
04:47:59 Devastator: also streaming, atm.
04:48:17 ER: evil will always win, because good is gullable~
04:49:34 syv: Evil will always lose, because time will survive longer than morality.
04:50:24 ER: mm. does chaotic evil really care about that sort of thing?
05:06:25 ER: I should go to sleep eventually.
05:06:39 syv: You should update Zeroth eventually.
05:06:54 ER: well, I know which one takes priority
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05:13:48 MidJag: Hmm, weird mix, a
dev an Irony and a
syv, but no
05:15:14 MidJag: I'm just slightlly drunk.
05:15:16 IronyOwl: ...solve with chocolate?
05:15:25 MidJag: I would suggest alchol or weed
05:15:39 syv: I have none of these things.
05:15:47 MidJag: Don't you live in florida?
05:16:00 MidJag: You can totally get both of my options.~
05:16:03 syv: Also, I'm at work. So perhaps drugs are not the very best of ideas.
05:34:25 Devastator: streaming Corin's Mystery Massacre.
05:34:28 IronyOwl: doing pretty good myself
05:34:35 IronyOwl: I have no idea what it is but it looks weird
05:35:12 MidJag: That's that Toady game that looks like you dropped acid and then stared directlly into the sun rihgt?
05:45:19 IronyOwl: that's because the game itself is just horrifying
05:45:48 MidJag: So Irony what've you been up to?
05:46:18 IronyOwl: launching my idol game :D
05:51:19 IronyOwl: you're flickering around everything while alphabets follow you at a shambling pace
05:58:56 IronyOwl: what are those black and white barriers that vanish when you pass through them?
06:05:03 IronyOwl: so was this what toady made before dwarf fortress?
06:05:19 IronyOwl: oh, you carry them with you?
06:11:33 IronyOwl: what happens if your main guy dies?
06:16:02 IronyOwl: how do you tell the difference between your troops and enemy troops?
06:24:20 syv: So some dude made a small set of programs for manipulating AoTTG maps, mostly to help map makers. One of them rotates entire collections of objects around a given point. I think it's just meant to rotate small constructions (say, tilt a building slightly), but I decided to feed it entire maps then type in semirandom rotations on the entire thing, which works fine.
06:24:47 MidJag: That sounds entertaining
06:24:50 syv: So I can basically just modify any racing course so that gravity points in a random direction.
06:25:06 syv: It is *extraordinarily* trippy with a map that I already know well.
06:25:37 IronyOwl: doesn't that game use spiderman movement?
06:25:48 IronyOwl: I'd think that'd make rotating maps pretty significant
06:26:01 IronyOwl: since your grabby points aren't guaranteed anymore?
06:26:14 syv: No, they're still guaranteed, gravity is just wrong.
06:26:42 syv: In the last version I tried, it pulled west southwest, and about 70 degrees off the horizon.
06:27:26 IronyOwl:
Dev: that's awesome, why didn't you use it earlier?
06:27:37 MidJag: heh, that feeling of falling up I guess
06:28:23 syv: Setting it to fall directly upward is weird, but in this case actually much much easier. Because the ceilings aren't made of lava, while the floors are.
06:28:36 syv: It'd probably be muuuch worse if I changed the ceilings to lava.
06:28:46 IronyOwl:
Dev: Thanks, was a trippy experience
06:28:50 Devastator: the fireballs work much better after some firepower upgrades too.
06:29:13 Devastator: It's not that complicated a game, it's just frightening.
06:30:07 syv: Also, you do have thrust in AoTTG, though it's weaker than the grapples. Thrust can only thrust perpendicular to gravity. So *everything* just feels wrong.
06:31:04 IronyOwl: that sounds pretty fun, actually
06:31:12 IronyOwl: or at least briefly hilarious
06:31:23 syv: I would happily teach you to play~
06:31:40 MidJag: The game is fun, just very time consumimng
06:32:59 syv: Ehh, only in the sense that it takes like ten hours of practice before most people can wrap their minds around smooth movement.
06:33:21 MidJag: See the issue is, I don't have ten hours of practice.
06:33:57 syv: Which I'd qualify as "very hard".
06:33:58 syv: Yeah, I know, that's fine.
06:34:13 syv: I stopped bugging you about it months ago, didn't I? :\
06:34:40 MidJag: Eventually I will have time to propperlly learn it
06:35:03 syv: Nah, it's just a game. You've got better things in your life.
06:41:21 MidJag: Hnmm, I think I shall go to bed.
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10:23:43 syv: The prequelgame boss is out.
10:33:56 Devastator: trying to do it sans zots.
10:36:40 Devastator: nah, it's not possible.
10:36:43 Devastator: but it was worth trying.
10:36:47 Devastator: it seems pretty rough.
10:39:22 syv: Not with zots, not at all.
10:40:17 Devastator: ahh, you just tap it.
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12:43:28 er: Plant eyes inside our brains.
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20:11:37 er: Please step into the... *object* to apply. Applicants will be tested in several categories, the first being an evolutionary algorithm.
20:11:52 er: (That is, the weak will perish.)
20:39:49 Devastator: Jedi mind trick, that seems.
20:41:58 Piecewise: Jedi Mind trick really is underused
20:43:44 Piecewise: it does bring up some moral questions
20:45:05 Devastator: but these aren't the droids you're looking for seems reasonable.
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20:48:22 er: That reminded me of mister hyde.
20:49:32 er: (Ot at least what Red told me of mister hyde, given that I don't read~)
20:51:35 Devastator: I'm pretty sure that's a jedi thing.
20:51:42 Devastator: mind you, given they have space magic.
20:59:29 Devastator: that'll be fun to eat, then.
21:08:26 er: I wonder if I have control over the interior of my [untranslatable]
21:09:06 er: I also wonder if I can ask such questions about it and not just get a "try it and see~"
21:51:02 Devastator: eh, going to try level 3 of CMM now.
21:52:09 Devastator: "The citizens under your charge have all been slain."
21:52:13 Devastator: Fuck, starting a level is rough.
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23:13:44 Devastator: but nah, friends, job, life, chores, plans.
23:40:12 Devastator: god, CMM is hard. I should run a themed game on it, though, no asii, just text.
23:52:02 Devastator: I hope I'm not doing anything too stupid in Irony's game.
23:52:16 Devastator: I mean, what if all these hundred idols take shots at the tank?
23:56:56 Piecewise: Also, Noita now has built in mod support and randomized starting setups if you select it
23:58:28 Devastator: Corin's Mystery Massacre.
23:58:37 Devastator: a game toady made before making DF.
23:58:43 Devastator: it's nigh-incomprehensable.
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