00:20:50 Devastator: impressive roads today.
00:22:58 Devastator: second worst I've ever seen.
00:53:22 Devastator: you ever been to snowland,
PW?
00:53:34 Piecewise: I was like...why is
ER in the
Dev private message window?
00:55:00 Piecewise: Hmmmm I don't think so
00:55:04 Devastator: but yeah, it's snowing like mad up here today.
00:55:13 Devastator: roads were just horrid.
00:57:47 Devastator: had to take an alternate route to go up a less-steep hill.
00:58:27 Piecewise: Around here the worst weather we have is generally "Its hot"
00:58:41 Devastator: yeah, Vegas has upsides.
00:58:47 Devastator: hot and dry or really hot and dry.
00:58:55 Piecewise: occasionally "Its now raining so hard we're all gonna flood" but thats very occasional. And I live on a hill so I'm fine
00:58:58 Devastator: or warm and dry, I suppose.
00:59:13 Devastator: you get rain often in vegas? I thought it was dry.
01:07:24 Devastator: but it's snowing like that rain sounds.
01:11:52 Piecewise: They come once a year, near end of summer
01:15:08 Devastator: so around December these days?
01:17:51 Piecewise: around the end of summer season lets say
01:18:05 Piecewise: We actually have more climate variation up in nevada than arizona
01:18:15 Piecewise: pretty chilly today actually
01:18:34 Piecewise: though I am up on the foothills of the red rocks so
02:08:16 Devastator: Irony started a new game.
02:22:09 Devastator: about idol girls in mechs.
02:22:15 Devastator: apparently you're their manager.
02:55:59 Piecewise: Are they allowed to have boyfriends?
03:05:06 Devastator: I mentioned stuff like that to Irony.
03:05:18 Devastator: boyfriends, infighting, shenanigans.
03:12:48 Devastator: sadly, proooobably fewer drugs. ;-p
03:35:03 Piecewise: Less sleeping with the manager too
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04:14:47 IronyOwl: and
pw is back in here as well, I see
04:15:18 Devastator: not sure if I want to get in your game.
04:15:22 Devastator: I'll leave it up to the dice.
04:15:29 IronyOwl: yeah, popped in to see if you had any questions about it
04:15:53 Devastator: Just the one I asked.
04:15:59 Devastator: Besides, it's what we were talking about earlier, right?
04:16:07 Devastator: other than that, I'll probably take Stars, because.
04:16:33 Devastator: Also, I need to slap shadowclaw again.
04:16:40 IronyOwl: yeah, it's the thing from earlier
04:17:19 IronyOwl: does he need a revision to his revision?
04:17:20 Devastator: Also,
PW, "Certainly! Idols love few things more than complicating your job with poor personal decisions."
04:17:27 Devastator: Well, no, his revision was fine.
04:17:33 IronyOwl: boneman was thinking about it too eh?
04:17:37 Devastator: but he has no spot to put the tank from
syv.
04:17:43 Devastator: dunno, mentioned it.
04:17:50 Devastator: he already had no spot to put the tank he was buying.
04:17:51 IronyOwl: inventory management strikes again
04:18:09 Devastator: so I talked him through how to buy it and get it out with his finished research this turn.
04:18:14 Devastator: and then said he's buying another tank.
04:18:28 Devastator: well, that one's going into the aether.
04:19:05 IronyOwl: stolen by a gaggle of drunk college kids in the night, eh?
04:19:12 Devastator: For character sheet, maybe I'll play CREEEED.
04:19:19 IronyOwl: some say they're tank-partying their way around to this day
04:19:37 Devastator: Nah, I think I'll have it parked on a boat for months and then when it lands it's replaced by a container filled with something random.
04:19:56 IronyOwl: much screaming at interns follows?
04:20:35 IronyOwl: though letting him pay upkeep on it without using it seems alright too
04:21:02 Devastator: he just pays the money and it goes away.
04:21:12 Devastator: I think
syv is just disposing of them, so it shouldn't be too bad.
04:22:26 Devastator: plus he'll have a nice tank with his.. project being finished.
04:22:51 IronyOwl: oh yeah, is he deploying that this turn?
04:23:15 IronyOwl: I guess you don't have a way to know that yet
04:23:27 IronyOwl: but I'm excited to see it
04:23:36 IronyOwl: it'll be the first major project fielded by an org, right?
04:23:49 Devastator: I don't know if it counts as major, but he's been working on it for a while.
04:23:59 IronyOwl: well, the first org-researched major project fielded by an org
04:24:08 Devastator: yeah, it's not bad.
04:24:16 Devastator: hope it doesn't get one-shotted.
04:25:31 Devastator: well, not that likely.
04:28:57 Devastator: plus the cigar and ugly mug should work out ok.
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04:33:02 Devastator: toxin resistance is still on the table?
04:33:05 Devastator: and good luck finding words.
04:36:11 Devastator: yeah, I'll ask you about that sometime before we leave.
04:57:41 Devastator: any questions about k-com, Irony?
04:58:17 Devastator: ..and I don't see anything from Yotta.
04:58:23 Devastator: hmm, might have to take in another mad scientist.
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05:00:54 syv:
IronyOwl, want to buy a tank?
05:01:18 syv: I'll sell it to you instead since Shadowclaw apparently can't take it.
05:01:38 Devastator: I'm tempted to lock that one in, but I'll be informing Shadowclaw with some time before the update.
05:01:44 Devastator: so.. feel free to shop it around.
05:01:56 IronyOwl: I have no room for another crappy tank unless I avoid purchasing a shiny new tank
05:02:20 IronyOwl: which I could do, but this kaiju will be pretty tough
05:02:43 Devastator: he has space for it.
05:02:48 Devastator: he changed his orders to make room since then.
05:08:06 Devastator: I'm annoyed internally because it's a worse decision, but..
05:08:26 Devastator: there might be another plan at work.
05:11:01 IronyOwl: he probably just can't stand to see it go to waste
05:12:35 Devastator: if you actually wanted them you could buy them.
05:17:06 syv: They're orange. The only good orange things are spheres.
05:17:10 er: This carrot in particular sucks.
05:17:22 syv: That is ridiculously terrible.
05:18:00 Devastator: yeah, the ones for sale were especially cheap.
05:18:18 syv: And were still on the border of practicality. :P
05:20:05 Piecewise: Carrots can be pretty good
05:21:55 syv: You're a skeleton, you don't even have a tongue.
05:24:21 er: You ever had a stew with carrots, you fool?
05:24:21 syv: Why are all of you people wrong
05:24:45 er: Not being obligate carnivores, I guess?
05:25:39 Devastator: Why would you put carrots in a stew?
05:25:47 Devastator: I love stew, but carrots..
05:25:55 Devastator: they wouldn't be crunchy!
05:26:08 Devastator: and if they're soft they should go with peas and green beans and such.
05:27:00 er: Yeah, those would be things you put together.
05:27:27 er: You don't just put one veggie in there, ya gotta go all the way.
05:27:40 syv: Vegetable stews are terrible
05:28:24 Devastator: you can't just put veggies in stew.
05:30:05 Piecewise: Hell, we put carrots in Jello down here
05:31:09 Piecewise: carrots in orange jello
05:32:40 Devastator: that's a horrific thing.
05:33:25 Piecewise: Honestly, not as bad as you would assume
05:34:29 Devastator: jello salad is also a horrifying thing.
05:34:49 Devastator: jello salad is terrible.
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05:42:17 syv: We've expressed a variety of different opinions here.
05:42:54 ER: all of them, at least partially wrong!
05:43:14 syv: So 30% right is still heresy?
05:43:33 Devastator: no, not for heresy.
05:43:40 Devastator: everything is heresy if you poke closely enough.
05:44:03 ER: (but come on, no-veggie stew!?~)
05:44:13 Devastator: yeah, no-veggie stew seems off.
05:44:24 Devastator: but no X specific veggy is fine.
05:44:30 Devastator: with stew there's no one ingredient you need.
05:45:09 syv: Maybe Canadians just eat dry stew?
05:46:22 Devastator: ..I had my boss ask me today if I thought his roof would be fine with all the snow on it.
05:46:33 Devastator: No, it isn't, it's not good,
syv. Snow isn't clean.
05:46:59 Devastator: Yeah, but dirty water.
05:47:05 Devastator: it won't kill you, but it'll taste wretched.
05:47:09 syv: Which is still stew, unlike dry stew.
05:48:31 ER: I think I'm too tired to one-try kazgame
05:49:00 Devastator: there was no episode yesterday, right?
05:49:20 syv: Notably, it was not missing when I cheated to unlock them all.
05:49:27 syv: Which isn't really a surprise, but hey.
05:51:45 syv: And the fight won't start.
05:52:11 syv: The laser nose *was* in the fake future levels, but did not actually laser.
05:54:55 Devastator: oh, a better weapon.
06:11:33 Piecewise: Was that the noise that would play when you get zapped in Hellmoo's general chat?
06:19:19 Devastator: dunno what that is.
06:19:31 syv: Some online text game Dubs used to play.
06:20:24 syv: He once dropped a few dirty nukes out of a crappy piper cub, onto a city, IIRC.
06:22:23 Piecewise: I ran for mayor on the platform of "If I win, I won't nuke you"
06:24:06 Piecewise: I dropped like 12 dirty bombs on the main city. The mods showed me the death logs during it where it was just long lists of dead people. Due to how the game parsed illegal acts itdidn't even give me a wanted level
06:24:51 Piecewise: Me and the guy I built the plane and bombs with ran off to a deserted island and fished while people demanded my blood
06:25:05 Devastator: anyone come and get it?
06:25:50 Piecewise: They eventually sent a posse. Only to find out that I had more nukes
06:26:23 Devastator: mmm, so you didn't drop 12 because you had only 12.
06:26:47 Piecewise: Speak softly and always carry more nukes than you think you'll need
06:27:45 Piecewise: Sadly the game has forked and been heavily censored and restricted last I checked
06:28:01 Piecewise: not even murdering orphans as the first mobs anymore
06:28:18 Piecewise: can't kill random players on the streets
06:28:34 Piecewise: the rape bears don't occasionally raid the bar
06:29:17 Piecewise: They actually made you completely unable to nuke the city anymore
06:29:23 Piecewise: so maybe this is my own fault
06:30:10 Devastator: could think of it the other way.
06:30:16 Devastator: you set the high mark.
06:30:28 Devastator: that nobody shall ever surpass.
06:30:37 Piecewise: I succeeded so hard they had to change the rules
06:30:52 Piecewise: mark it off as another "unbeatable" game defeated
06:31:32 Devastator: my entire alliance got banned in a web game once for winning player vs player wars repeatedly.
06:32:18 Devastator: apparently when they bribe a guy with 600 million to go drive a superweapon and cause havok they don't like it when a group takes him and his buddies out several times.
06:33:44 Piecewise: "We paid to win, not to lose!"
06:34:21 Devastator: the devs bribed a guy to cause havok and attack us.
06:35:35 Devastator: mostly because they buffed up building defences to rebalance after the previous war we won.
06:36:00 Devastator: the war before that we caught the devs flying a cheat ship with enough witnesses they couldn't intervene directly.
06:36:46 Devastator: Man, that was a hell of a group.
06:37:06 Devastator: we had about 25 people and there were like four or five groups with over a hundred each.
06:37:25 Devastator: but nobody would touch us.
06:37:56 Devastator: we'd either be making them too much money with us around, or just be too damn scary.
06:38:50 Devastator: stat-wise we were far from untouchable, we just had the only group who knew how to play the game.
06:39:08 syv: One of those games where a person who puts in 10 hours per day is much more useful than ten people who put in one hour a day?
06:39:30 Devastator: No, it had a turn timer that strongly limited what one player could do in a day.
06:40:24 Devastator: but we used co-operation and unselfish behavior to divide up labor so that our combat pilots could spend all their time combat training, and we geared prices so that new players could make absolute mints doing the basic time-eating chores everyone had to do.
06:41:18 Devastator: so we'd have newbies doing chores for us and making insane money for new players, experienced traders spending all their time either making high-level buildings or doing bulk trades, both things they could only reall do, and fighters doing combat training and mission stacks.
06:41:48 Devastator: the way missions worked if you had all day together you could do like 12 missions at once, but if you had to do chores first you'd be lucky to do more than three or four, even with 3/4 of a day.
06:42:45 Devastator: We also had a policy of agressive action against groups that set up localized trade barriers over an area about 1/3 of the gameworld, which helped everyone.
06:43:22 Devastator: so.. we had lots of friends, new players greatly loved us, and anyone attacking us would have to fight a small number of the best pilots in the game.
06:43:44 Devastator: but the devs wanted war and chaos, and didn't set up mechanics to make it a viable gameplay method.
06:44:15 ER: why play a game with awful interventionist devs?
06:44:28 Devastator: and we kept beating them.
06:45:12 Devastator: they really were great people. It was mostly the block of guys who I'd been with through the development of MoO 3, so we were all experienced TBS players who'd went through hell together.
06:46:39 Devastator: did you ever play MoO 3?
06:46:59 Devastator: for an old TBS player, that was hell.
06:47:25 Devastator: everything you loved just got destroyed in front of your eyes.
06:47:46 syv: I'm sorry for your loss, didn't know you were an orphan.
06:48:03 Devastator: I'm exaggerating for effect.
06:48:11 Devastator: but that was just terrible.
06:48:34 syv: Anyway, I think the real Moo hell was probably Hellmoo.?
06:50:38 Devastator: Nah, the devs then banned the guy holding the buildings that locked out our opponents for bad language.
06:50:46 Devastator: the guy was a polish speaker and barely spoke english.
06:50:58 Devastator: in something like 12 hours we had them back up, before anyone could break out.
06:51:07 Devastator: which was something nobody else could have done but us.
06:51:17 Devastator: they then banned everyone with a building in our "capital"
06:51:31 Devastator: for "Causing more problems than everyone else in the game combined."
06:53:06 Devastator: we had done a few things that did occasionally actually deserve a poke, such as finding a couple of glitches, using them just long enough to get into a locked sector to get first kills on some new enemies, and then reporting them..
06:53:43 Devastator: and in truth, we'd certainly caused them more problems than anyone else in the game combined. ;-p
06:53:49 Devastator: but it was through being competent.
06:54:31 Devastator: About three months later they sorta went public and started taking money. They then also blamed the first between-factions war on us specifically, which was amusing.
06:55:45 Devastator: they story-wise blew up an inhabited planet in the neutral zone where we'd once basically owned, and said it was some kinda superweapon we'd developed.
06:56:00 syv: The eyeroll was at your unbridled bragging, not the devs.
06:56:11 Devastator: That quote was from them, not me.
06:56:14 syv: I was rolling my eyes because
dev, not because devs.
06:56:29 Devastator: and banning everyone in a certain system was also them, not m.e
06:56:45 Devastator: same with banning a polish speaker for using abusive language.
06:57:12 Devastator: and the 12 hour thing actually happened. There'd been enough wars to know that nobody else could do that, too.
06:57:16 Devastator: I mean, yeah, it's bragging.
06:57:20 Devastator: but it's also true.
06:57:52 syv: Yes, but spending... almost half an hour writing unprompted about the glory days of your old gaming group is kinda bragging.
06:58:51 syv: The darksign brands the undead
07:00:10 Devastator: so.. say nothing and don't be bragging, ok.
07:01:10 Devastator: What's the next movie?
07:02:31 syv: Or wait until that's fully released?
07:02:38 ER: there's probably another season of Overlord if we can't think of anything *good* ;p
07:03:04 syv: Last I checked, the superfans were saying it's great, and also said that the labyrinths were still the same quality, which I actually can believe.
07:03:40 syv: I have... Memento and Akira.
07:03:53 syv: Among other things that we never agreed to watch.
07:04:14 Devastator: well, maybe when it's done.
07:04:45 syv: Wow, the Mook loanshark is the nicest loan shark ever.
07:05:03 syv: He didn't even charge me any interest at all, because I paid him back promptly.
07:05:36 ER: yeah, that might not be totally good game design...
07:08:14 Devastator: It's ok.. I'm not playing mook, so nobody to grumble about such things.
07:10:18 syv: Since when does that stop you?
07:10:39 syv: You didn't actually play
ER, but you still grumble about it sometimes, years past its death.
07:10:44 Devastator: I don't see it as much to grumble about it.
07:11:10 syv: "Buy some cologne strong enough that I can't hear anything"
07:12:14 Devastator: do you want me to grumble about it?
07:12:36 syv: Only if you're wrong, so I get to win the argument.
07:13:15 ER: I hate it when
syv wins arguments, so don't~
07:16:26 ER: so how about that trope talk huh
07:16:40 ER: isn't that video a more interesting thing to talk about than
dev's glory days?
07:17:40 Devastator: also, got impatient and adjusted my clock an hour ahead to play the prequel nightmare game.
07:17:43 Devastator: don't have a laser.
07:20:19 Devastator: there supposed to be a laser?
07:20:33 ER: ugh, this level would be reasonable without the cacti
07:20:43 Devastator: they're in a pattern!
07:21:20 syv: I think I may have had a bug.
07:21:28 ER: yes, a pattern which keeps you from moving anywhere
07:21:53 syv: When I first loaded the level, it was a bossfight, and I got a laser. Then when I refreshed because the fight didn't load, I got a normal level.
07:22:07 syv: Are you talking about the level that starts with three trees,
ER?
07:22:08 Devastator: so next boss is a laser, ok.
07:22:18 Devastator: yeah, you can just nail those, you can ignore the dead stars on the ground.
07:22:21 Devastator: they don't actually kill you.
07:23:17 ER: trees are kinda just annoying because they're easy to kill, and if you don't kill them you just die
07:23:30 syv: You can kill their notes by ramming them.
07:23:40 Devastator: they're easier to dodge than it looks.
07:35:25 ER: more if you pretend to be doing something useful
07:41:32 Devastator: best way is to sit in the back.
07:42:38 ER: my character is the avatar of a brainless videogame player, so I'm gonna try to W M1 him
07:48:56 ER: ah yes, in K6BD the below-text explains that this martial arts is used to kill kaiju.
08:24:31 syv: Would there be any mechanical difference between modifying catgirls to possess Kaiju-killing martial arts, and modifying catgirls to possess integral biological Kaiju-killing weapons?
08:25:22 syv: Like, I assume they could be modded to have piledriver cannons built into their arms. But is that any different from just training them to punch real good?
08:25:44 ER: Well, punch good, jump good
08:27:03 Devastator: kaiju-killing weapons would work.
08:27:11 Devastator: kaiju-kililng martial arts would be treated as weapons.
08:27:27 ER: would I have to... manufacture martial arts?
08:27:38 syv: But would they be *different*?
08:28:19 syv: Like, if the fluff excuse is "they're trained to punch good", is that any different cost/mechanics wise from "they have antimatter dispersers built into their fingers".
08:29:08 ER: would it be equally as effective to train them to punch good as use big swords?
08:29:37 Devastator: no, they wouldn't be different.
08:29:55 Devastator: and both 'integral weapons' will still take up a weapon slot.
08:30:08 syv: Okay. Does that mean that I could make my jets faster by modifying them so that they can flap their wings?
08:30:43 Devastator: it'd be stupid, but yes.
08:32:27 Devastator: what's so complicated?
08:34:33 syv: ...Could I then modify my jets to be *even faster* by *not flapping* their wings?
08:34:54 ER: I'm pretty sure that the fluff barely matters
08:37:00 Devastator: yeah, the fluff is mostly unmiportant.
08:37:40 syv:
IronyOwl, this answers an important question.
08:38:21 syv: I can presumably make my jets have stronger missiles, by just modifying them to launch the missiles using Kaiju muscles.
08:38:29 ER: hmm, time to build kaiju killing catgirls in irony's game too
08:42:55 IronyOwl: yeah but it'll actually fit in my game
08:43:00 IronyOwl: and good to know about the missiles
08:43:19 ER: what can I do in your game that won't fit, then?~
08:43:39 ER: just give the plane arms it uses to throw missiles really fast
08:44:56 syv: Could I join your game as a psychic jumping spider that kills kaiju by telepathically transmitting suicidal thoughts into them?
08:45:15 Devastator: I see someone has been reading Worm fanfic.
08:45:30 Devastator: It would fit into the worm fanfic verse.
08:45:56 syv: I'm not 100% certain, because I've read a fuckton of random fanfic, but I don't believe I have ever read worm fanfic.
08:46:35 syv: I've just long wanted to play a psychic jumping spider as an exploitation of some D&D rules.
08:47:07 Devastator: worm has kaiju, telepathy, suicidal thought attacks, and plenty of MC is a bug instead of just getting bug powers stuff, and jumping spiders are popular.
08:47:25 IronyOwl: exploitation of what rules?
08:48:07 IronyOwl: uh, I suppose you could TRY to play a psychic jumping spider that forces kaiju to kill themselves, but attempting to psychically assault these things might turn out worse for you than them
08:49:05 Devastator: It might force me to write some new mechanics that one.
08:49:52 ER: do kaiju have will saves,
dev? :P
08:50:20 syv: Size categories give large defensive benefits and relatively few vulneravbilities for a caster. Psychic classes are complex, OP, and get an amusing variety of powers that are completely inappropriate for an insect-sized character. Awaken does not specify a minimum size or intelligence, and some DMs will let players play awakened animal characters.
08:50:29 syv: As for why a jumping spider, I like jumping spiders.
08:51:09 Devastator: There's plot stuff behind that,
ER.
08:51:37 ER: jumping spiders might be below the lowest size that DnD tracks
08:51:39 Devastator: That's not quite right, either.
08:51:47 Devastator: Nah, DnD tracks down to Fine.
08:52:04 Devastator: medium, small, tiny, diminutive and fine?
08:52:58 syv: Fine is "six inches or less", so yeah, there's a strong argument for jumping spiders being below that threshold.
08:53:51 Devastator: eh, lots of things in that like ordinary bugs.
08:55:48 syv: It does seem odd to say that both this spider and the hand it is walking on are the same size category, and therefore get the same boosts to hide checks.
08:56:25 ER: yeah, I think you could probably be an awakened spider, but not one that size
08:56:32 Devastator: no bug word, so can't turn Ekrov into a spider. ;-p
08:56:42 syv: That spider is actually smarter than most larger spiders.
08:56:44 ER: because at that size DnD doesn't consider it a "creature"
08:56:45 Devastator: and yeah, cute bug.
08:56:59 Devastator: mmm, yeah, isn't everything a creature or an object?
08:57:33 ER: maybe if your PCs get shrunk a lot? :P
08:57:40 syv: Well, another of my long-desired dumb characters is playing an intelligent weapon that just mind controls its "wielder".
08:58:23 ER: the GM doesn't track rice as individual grains, so things the size of jumping spiders effectively don't exist.
08:58:32 ER: as individual objects at least
08:58:36 syv: Which I'd argue definitely counts for a person who has been stabbed with the weapon, and is therefore carrying it.
09:00:51 syv: But yeah, approximately 100% of my interest in playing D&D is in convincing the DM to let me play some extremely unusual thing, then bending the rules massively to make it effective.
09:04:38 Devastator: so you enjoy playing DnD wrong?
09:05:15 syv: Is that playing D&D wrong?
09:05:18 ER: the wrong say to play dnd is to play as a pure martial class :P
09:05:34 ER: with no fun feats or anything
09:06:40 syv: "Okay, I'll talk to the villain an--" "What? No! You're the fighter, let the bard do that. He has some buff spells that'll help his diplomacy roll, too."
09:07:55 IronyOwl: it's okay, you have the Climb skill, so you can Climb things
09:08:03 IronyOwl: you're still bad at swimming and running, but you can Climb things
09:08:41 Devastator: except you can't, because you're wearing armour.
09:08:44 ER: hah, that's not a distinction in 5e, and good riddence
09:09:29 Devastator: Climb was for castle walls and pit traps.
09:18:15 Devastator: something that wasn't actually a skill check.
09:28:07 syv: Huh, SRD says that spiders Portia spiders a
09:28:34 syv: Huh, SRD effectively says that jumping spiders would have 1 int. Portia spiders, at least.
09:29:02 syv: "Anything that can think, learn, or remember has at least 1 point of intelligence"
09:29:16 IronyOwl: it calls a lot of big bugs mindless anyway, I think
09:29:37 IronyOwl: technically that'd make at least some plants Int 1, but I think they're considered objects instead
09:29:49 syv: To be fair most are. The stats for "spider swarm" gives them 0 int.
09:30:44 Devastator: unless they're monster plants.
09:30:44 syv: "Any creature that can perceive its environment in any fashion has at least 1 point of Wisdom. Anything with no Wisdom score is an object, not a creature."
09:31:15 IronyOwl: yeah, so... unless plants aren't "creatures" by definition and thus objects anyway, plants have at least 1 Wisdom by that definition
09:31:30 syv: Of course it never says that having mental stats means something *isn't* an object. It *is* D&D, after all.
09:32:04 syv: I'd have fun trying to convince a DM to let me mind control a plant.
09:32:13 ER: hit someone with wis damage poison until they hit 0, put them in bag of holding
09:32:39 Devastator: you kill people that way.
09:33:03 Devastator: Str and Dex are knockouts, basically.
09:33:37 syv: "Wisdom 0 means that the character is withdrawn into a deep sleep filled with nightmares, helpless."
09:33:57 syv: Functionally they're all identical except for con 0, which kills you.
09:34:28 Devastator: oh, I thought Wis was death too.
09:34:47 IronyOwl: yeah, like I think the 3.5 version tried to make a distinction between 0 Str and 0 Dex, but they both paralyzed you for different reasons so it didn't actually affect anything
09:34:56 syv: Cha 0 means you go into a catatonic stupor, int 0 means you're unconscious, dex 0 and str 0 mean you can't move. The only difference is that you can still stand at dex 0.
09:35:24 syv: It's the only edition I've played seriously, so I just default to it.
09:35:28 IronyOwl: think they did away with all that in 4e and might have tried to bring some of it back with 5e
09:35:50 syv: I think that's true of almost everything D&D. :P
09:35:57 IronyOwl: not proper ability damage I don't think, actually
09:36:00 Devastator: I thought dex 0 meant you hit the floor.
09:36:06 Devastator: and Str 0 meant you can talk.
09:36:55 syv: "Strength 0 means that the character cannot move at all. He lies helpless on the ground."
09:36:55 syv: "Dexterity 0 means that the character cannot move at all. He stands motionless, rigid, and helpless."
09:37:15 syv: You are better balanced with zero dexterity than with zero strength~
09:37:19 Devastator: huh, thought you went down quivering.
09:47:26 syv: Fine-size creatures only have a -16 penalty to bull rush and overrun checks. Both are functionally just d20 strength checks. It is possible to have a mouse charge you and shove you backward. Or have a mouse charge you and knock you down, as it runs over you.
09:47:51 Devastator: isn't there a str penalty as well?
09:48:07 syv: Yes, but that's easy to think around.
09:48:59 Devastator: well, if the human has four points of str advantage and no -16 penatly, isn't that a 20 point advantage to the opposed skill check?
09:49:02 Devastator: guaranteeing a success?
09:50:54 syv: Bull rushes get +2 to the rusher if you charge, and mice only have -4 to strength.
09:51:17 Devastator: so 18 point penalty then.
09:51:18 syv: So only strongmen are immune to being pushed around by mice.
09:51:26 Devastator: yeah, that means a 20 and a 1 would do it.
09:52:01 syv: It's easier against a halfling, which gets its own -4 penalty to resist the bull rush.
09:53:38 syv: Hrm. Sadly, ponies *are* immune to being pushed around by mice. They get +2 for being quadrupeds, and naturally have +1, which is enough.
09:53:56 syv: Bodybuilder mice can still push ponies around, though.
09:54:43 syv: Also, these statements do apply to spiders, since they must have at least 1 strength, and are technically the same size category~
09:58:41 syv: Yes, yes I could make a strong argument for a size category below Fine.
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11:31:13 syv: Are you tired? Caffeinated? Is there anything you should have done, but didn't? Is there anything you shouldn't have done, but did? Is there anything that may happen soon? Has your environment changed recently?
11:40:42 syv: Well there you go, that's why.
11:43:25 er: I was hoping to get some coffee soon, both to wake me up and because a small amount seems to calm me down?
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18:13:10 Devastator: I see draggy discovered booze.
18:13:27 Devastator: what kind of drinks are there in star wars, anyway?
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18:14:43 parisbre56: I imagine it like really strong coffee
18:14:53 parisbre56: Dunno, didn't really research that
18:15:13 parisbre56: Just wanted to write a funny scene about a dragon rushing to the toilet
18:15:38 Devastator: that wasn't some good food anyway.
18:15:53 Devastator: I doubt if it was tasty it would have came out soon.
18:16:22 parisbre56: If it was tasty you'd just have eaten it all like last time
18:16:58 Devastator: anyway, about this bartender guy..
18:17:02 Devastator: I think we should just ask him.
18:17:24 Devastator: they may not be able to police it, but they're supposed to keep an eye out for stuff like that.
18:20:08 parisbre56: well, depends on how you approach it. Asking "Who was sitting there?" will just make him ask "Why do you want to know?" so if you go the direct route you better have a strategy/story ready.
18:20:42 Devastator: "Ask about the victim, say that we know her, know she came here, and she's now missing. Ask about who she left with."
18:20:57 Devastator: don't tell him stuff like "And she tasted awful."
18:21:33 Devastator: but yeah, that ought to be pretty simple, since she isn't here currently we aren't stalking her.
18:23:01 Devastator: the bartender probably (but might) doesn't know the guy, but we can at least get a species or something.
18:25:09 Devastator: of course, the bartender might know the victim, in which case we might have to talk him around a bit, but draggy's got good understanding and empathy, should make it work.
18:27:16 Devastator: I mean, it isn't shenanigans, though.
18:27:27 Devastator: maybe shenanigans would work better.
18:33:21 parisbre56: yeah, you got the skills for it, even though your knowledge of the world isn't perfect. just got to take a chance and hope luck is on your side.
18:33:59 parisbre56: but if you have a better idea, you can go with that. I can't think of anything but maybe someone else can.
18:34:49 Devastator: That's teh best I have in mind.
18:35:01 Devastator: but yeah, someone else might have a better one.
18:37:11 Devastator: I mean, we could try to scare the guy, but that might not be necessary and the guy might not actually know anything.
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19:50:10 er: "Yo I found a corpse in the tunnels but i don't want security involved, i followed the scent trails back here."
19:51:07 er: Would depend on his attitude, but just being truthful could work, and would only be a little more risky than trying to lie.
19:51:43 er: And might get more useful information, if it's clear we're trying to solve a murder.
19:57:49 er: ...I typed 11 at first, but 2008 is actually 12 years ago now.
19:58:26 Devastator: was iji released before mid-january 2008?
19:59:35 er: The oldest download is 10 October 2008, but that's the soundtrack for 1.6
20:02:22 er: Probably 11+, but i'll round up to 12 for dramatic effect~
20:03:19 Devastator: you could also use 'decades-old'
20:05:03 er: "Decades" for one decade and change is probably too much exaggeration. :p
20:06:02 er: 1 may 2017 for the most recent version.
20:06:18 Devastator: never too much exaggeration.
20:06:32 er: After many years he went back to port it to a more comparable engine version.
20:10:26 Devastator: I suppose we could tell him about the corpse and scent trail if this doesn't work.
20:10:33 Devastator: but stay away from the eating thing.
20:14:46 er: And yes, that's an Iji reference.
20:15:41 Devastator: also the kinda drink draggy probably would like, too.
20:20:08 parisbre56: well, komato *are* lizard people, so...
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20:24:34 Radio_Controlled: Hey there you doctors without borders with the bad luck of being cartoons.
20:24:45 Radio_Controlled: What's cooking?
20:25:02 Devastator: not too much today. Got snowed in, so staying at home today.
20:25:13 parisbre56: pasta with chicken for me
20:26:34 Radio_Controlled: We haven't had seen any snow yet this winter.
20:26:44 Radio_Controlled: Nothing! Zilch!
20:27:27 Radio_Controlled: And so many snowballs went tragically unthrown.
20:29:10 Radio_Controlled: Anyone here want to throw a d6 for me?
20:29:47 er: That was real, also a physical die.
20:30:41 Radio_Controlled: That throw was for how many primersets I should design today before being allowed to do something more fun.
20:31:09 Radio_Controlled: Why yes, I will in fact enjoy that roll.
20:32:53 Radio_Controlled: So, ya'll been enjoying the new year so far?
20:33:18 er: The usual amount of screaming.
20:33:51 Devastator: it's been pretty good.
20:36:03 Radio_Controlled: Well, at least it seems the 'Murricans won't be going for Desert Funtimes Round 2 just yet, so at least you won't get conscripted
er!
20:37:21 Radio_Controlled: (Not that that would be very likely, but I've seen some memes regarding that pop up recently. *Fortunate son starts up in the background* )
20:42:44 Devastator: It's too early to know what will happen there, IMO.
20:43:39 Radio_Controlled: True; but right now at least it seems the situation is deescalating more than it is intensifying (at least according to the last news I heard).
20:44:03 Devastator: Well, yes, but it's been a week.
20:44:23 Devastator: things can go up fast.
20:45:21 Radio_Controlled: And even then, I don't think they would opt for a full ground invasion+occupation (which might require a draft), more something like bombing campaigns.
20:46:14 Devastator: Depends on what Trump says.
20:46:19 Radio_Controlled: Oh yes, especially with the orange slice in charge. Man hasn't seen a situation he couldn't shit up more with a tweet.
20:46:35 Devastator: I mean, a month ago he said he was betraying the Kurds to get troops out of the middle east.
20:46:48 Devastator: so.. whatever there is, there's no strategy.
20:47:15 Devastator: or "Get troops out of the middle east" even though I think the real answer there was so "Putin won't reveal the dirt he has on Trump."
20:47:30 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, the Kurds got the short end of the stick. Again.
20:47:52 Devastator: and it'd be real nice to have staunch Kurdish allies if you're going to put more pressure on Iran.
20:52:50 Radio_Controlled: They can't afford to piss off the Turks too much I guess.
20:53:26 parisbre56: Who knows, maybe they're afraid they'll turn to the Russians for help.
21:01:03 Radio_Controlled: In the cold war I'd have agreed, but these days I'm not sure if that is the main reason. Turkey still has an important geographic location and is an important player in the region, but it also seems their relationship with EU/US/NATO is getting more and more strained.
21:04:09 parisbre56: I don't think Erdogan ever wanted to be part of EU. He just takes advantage of his position and plays each side against the other.
21:05:49 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, though if he could secure something like a favorable trade agreement or easy free travel it'd still be a big win for him.
21:06:16 parisbre56: The bad thing is I'm right next to Turkey. And now they've started drilling for oil and building pipelines here. I don't want my country to be dragged in a stupid proxy war.
21:08:00 Devastator: I dunno,
paris, this happened over decades. Could have been some changes in mind there.
21:08:17 Devastator: who turns to the russians for help?
21:08:20 Radio_Controlled: You mean they are drilling on your country's soil without permission or something?
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21:08:48 IronyOwl: my my, busy in here today
21:08:48 Radio_Controlled: Threatening to turn to the Russians can still be a boogieman to get more concessions I imagine.
21:08:55 Radio_Controlled: Speaking of boogiemen.
21:11:26 Radio_Controlled: How were the holidays, owlman?
21:16:02 IronyOwl: didn't do anything in particular
21:16:38 IronyOwl: I need to know if he's gonna submit a character to my very serious defense simulation game
21:17:04 Radio_Controlled: No shenanigans that would make for a marketable holiday movie for the teen to young adult demographic, by any chance?
21:17:20 Radio_Controlled: He is, maybe ping him.
21:17:31 IronyOwl:
Devastator I summon thee!
21:17:45 Devastator: oh, did my slot come up?
21:18:03 Radio_Controlled: Well, there goes my scheme for quick riches then.
21:18:29 IronyOwl: several times, in fact :o
21:18:36 IronyOwl: apparently the die really likes you
21:18:38 Devastator: well, lemme look it up again.
21:20:27 Devastator: We're doing our own creeds, right, not those of our idols?
21:21:00 Radio_Controlled: But what about our own CREEEEEEED's?
21:21:17 Devastator: lemme check his proper name.
21:21:23 IronyOwl: matching the two is ideal, but not required
21:21:31 IronyOwl: (they'll just like you less if you're different)
21:22:22 Devastator: is that good or bad?
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21:23:00 IronyOwl: potentially bad, but depending on everything it might matter a lot or not much
21:23:17 Devastator: well, if I match one of the two it shouldn't be too bad.
21:25:10 Radio_Controlled: What's this game about, if I may ask?
21:28:06 Devastator: That look good, Irony?
21:30:32 Devastator: I'm not much good at backstory.
21:31:04 Devastator: should have a specialty about Tactical Genius.
21:31:20 Devastator: dunno what would be the right trait. Stealth?
21:32:34 Devastator: he had the memey ability to basically have extra units show up on the battlefield from nowhere.
21:33:50 Radio_Controlled: Leman Russes crawling out of bushes half their size.
21:34:29 Radio_Controlled: "You thought that was an ordinary trashcan, but it was I, THE BANEBLADE."
21:34:37 Radio_Controlled: That kind of stuff.
21:34:51 Radio_Controlled: Hmm, is Creed still alive in the current 40K timeline?
21:35:03 Devastator: 40k timeline has everyone dead.
21:35:16 Radio_Controlled: I think he fought at Cadia, but I think he evacuated?
21:35:22 Devastator: Nah, he died on it.
21:35:25 Devastator: everyone good dies.
21:35:35 Devastator: it's like the opposite of fanfic.
21:36:44 Radio_Controlled: "Whether Kell's final act of defiance was in vain or not is uncertain. Creed continued to lead the Cadian defence up until the moment the planet was destroyed. Cadia fell that day, but as to the final fate of the Lord Castellan, none in the Imperium can yet say."
21:37:22 Radio_Controlled: Well, I guess he might make a surprising comic book-like comeback someday.
21:37:42 IronyOwl: oh like, heroic epic stories?
21:40:53 Radio_Controlled: Damn, I'm trying to progress the era in my New Republic campaign but I just can't seem to find my target.
21:41:11 Radio_Controlled: I just whacked ol' Thrawn so that should be ok.
21:41:14 er:
IronyOwl, I have now come up with vague plans for game. And they're nor pretty ones~
21:42:58 Radio_Controlled: But either the reborn Emperor became a master of stealth in his time as a force ghost, my Bothan spies are a bunch of bumbling clowns who can't spot a galactic tyrant looking to smash the galaxy under his boot heels, or the game is bugged.
21:43:16 Radio_Controlled: Not sure which would be worst.
21:43:20 er: Pick up the biggest possible dumpster fires of idols. Make their lives actively worse. Convince them that I'm the only one who would have them to keep them from leaving.
21:43:46 Devastator: I doubt it, he's not an evil character. ;-p
21:43:51 er: Entertain Nemesis target audience with tales of misery and failure.
21:43:58 IronyOwl: I'm glad you have a plan
ER, because game start is going to require some creative problem solving >:D
21:44:26 er: Somehow weaponize suffering.
21:44:39 Devastator: Well, Black Mage weaponized Love.
21:45:48 Devastator: "I am the Black Mage! I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down!"
21:46:04 er: Pros: Death and destruction may well outpace that of the enemy, which is a sign of victory.
21:47:22 er: Cons: other managers might attempt to improve my employees' lives, leading to a strong heroic/passionate narrative if they succeed.
21:56:30 IronyOwl: I forgot to check, but yes actually
21:59:01 er: Am I correct in thinking that Depraved populations can be entertained by bad things happening to idols?
22:00:17 Radio_Controlled: Is that how you call yourself these days, Irony? Depraved Populations?
22:00:55 Devastator: Can you entertain populations with off-brand entertainment?
22:01:52 Radio_Controlled: Chinese knock-off idols.
22:02:35 Devastator: nah, I mean giving some dark stuff to stars, some light stuff to depraved, ets.
22:03:03 er: How large of a crime is copyright infringement in this setting, and how much in bribes do I need to get away with it.
22:03:27 IronyOwl: pretty big deal, though there's always workarounds
22:03:56 IronyOwl: as for bribery... that's tough, the system is kind of semi-independent and overlapping so you'd need to bribe a LOT of people to get away with something consistently
22:04:19 IronyOwl: at that point you're probably better off making a copyright-friendly knockoff or just buying rights from the original holders
22:04:46 IronyOwl: mind you, localized infractions are easier to get away with, especially if you bribe em nice and good and they don't care what the aggrieved party thinks of them
22:06:10 er: Additional easier option: they can't sue you if you vaporize them with a friendship laser first
22:08:41 er: Oh, are defense missions 1 idol each or might it involve teaming up?
22:10:16 IronyOwl: probably a good idea to team up
22:10:24 IronyOwl: though remember, if the fight is too easy your ratings tank :v
22:11:25 er: Worse ratings than if we lose?
22:14:39 IronyOwl: and how much, if any, anyone is paying to keep the assets intact
22:14:45 er: How likely are idols to perish in battle?
22:14:47 IronyOwl: can be a fuzzy calculation to do
22:15:16 IronyOwl: defeat will often inflict some kind of penalty they need to recover from, but actually losing one to permadeath is basically impossible without unusual circumstances
22:15:38 IronyOwl: put another way: repairing the mechs is usually a bigger deal than the pilots :D
22:20:21 er: Yes, damage to the pilots is a bonus.
22:21:41 er: We will document the painful process of limb replacement and sell the footage for money so we can fix the machine.
22:24:45 IronyOwl: hahaha, now you're thinking like a (the worst) manager!
22:25:33 er: I'm both a raven and a cat, of course I'm the worst manager.
22:26:18 er: Cruelty, with the intelligence to know it's wrong and do it anyways.
22:35:09 Devastator: so will the stars turn on him, or are they themselves Deviants and enjoy it as they hate it?
22:37:26 er: Stars are the anti target market. :p
22:38:35 IronyOwl: though contracts *usually* specify against assassinating your boss/clients
22:40:09 er: Again, they can't sue you if they're dead.
22:41:27 IronyOwl: About that. Let's just say death isn't necessarily permanent or binding. :D
22:43:16 er: I already have eldritch as a speciality, I'm behind this.
22:43:24 Radio_Controlled: K-pop fhtagn.
22:43:46 Devastator: isn't that just ordinary k-pop?
22:43:57 Devastator: Also, was strongly considereing 'explosions' as a specialty.
23:01:52 Radio_Controlled: Holy shit, I'm being drowned in fighters.
23:02:25 Radio_Controlled: Warlord Zinsj seems to have pressed whatever relic he could find into service. This includes old clone wars lucrehulks.
23:02:42 Radio_Controlled: Their bombers will blot out the sun!
23:09:37 Radio_Controlled: God, the lag.
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23:53:28 Radio_Controlled: Welp, I'm calling it a day.
23:53:46 Radio_Controlled: G'night gentlemen, don't let the idols bite.
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