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00:06:15 parisbre56: I have him acting like a mix of cat and dog most of the time
00:06:29 parisbre56: so really, birds are the obvious enemy
00:09:24 Devastator: ..fuck, I'm off in a bit.
00:10:08 Devastator: I do like how we keep freaking out Eihwyl.
00:10:23 Devastator: "What kind of fucking monster are you?" ;-p
00:10:43 Devastator: dunno how to handle the gang.
00:10:57 Devastator: taking out the leader is good, but the underbosses might just take over.
00:11:15 Devastator: maybe we can leave a couple of them notes telling them to stay out of the line of fire and get out of town.
00:11:19 Devastator: and then kill the boss.
00:12:10 Devastator: The underbosses then loot the treasury and flee, but we'll be able to ease the squeeze on people, due to a lack of fat cat crooks taking all the bucks.
00:17:26 parisbre56: I don't know how easy it is to take down a gang in star wars, but it's probably not as easy as merely killing the boss
00:18:33 Devastator: there are gangs that run planets.
00:18:43 Devastator: and there are gangs with fifty guys.
00:19:18 Devastator: with this one, it sounds like we should be able to make it work if we can clear out some of the dross and cut the workers in at better rates.
00:19:26 Devastator: we'll still have to pay off the cops, but it should be workable.
00:19:51 Devastator: it'll do fine as long as draggy needs less money than the ring of crooks who take the profits for themselves.
00:20:12 Devastator: less profit needed means less extortion needed, which means the locals will be happy.
00:20:27 parisbre56: well, yeah, but you have to actually convince people you have the skills to run a gang. Draggy has yet to fully realise that you can't do everything yourself
00:20:52 Devastator: No, we don't need to do that, we just need to convince one of the crooks to do it in our name.
00:21:06 Devastator: and convince that guy that killing the boss and other underbosses in favor of draggy will be better for him.
00:21:42 parisbre56: so you get all the benefits without having to do all the work. that's brilliant
00:21:49 Devastator: one of them will probably be older or have kids or something.
00:21:57 Devastator: and would be okay with going mostly legit.
00:22:03 parisbre56: only problem is that you get lots of attention, but you'd get that anyway
00:22:19 Devastator: ..I'm pretty sure draggy can only avoid attention for so long.
00:22:26 Devastator: and.. he'd get less attention that way than with an open war.
00:22:36 Devastator: or as the open leader.
00:23:37 Devastator: I mean, he's what, two months old and the size of a person? I don't know how big he's going to be in six months, but it'll be not small.
00:24:09 Devastator: but lets get some money, do the slicing, find a way to get past the gang, track down the killer.. lots of stuff.
00:25:22 parisbre56: I wanted to give the impression that this is a city with lots of things going on. hi,
00:25:40 parisbre56: history, crime, gambling, all that.
00:26:19 parisbre56: and this is the middle city so you bad things but not too bad
00:26:52 parisbre56: upper city would probably be more politics and running from the security force because they actually care about the rich folk upstairs
00:27:28 parisbre56: lower city would be grim dark, pay for oxygen, war on the streets
00:28:43 parisbre56: which is kinda ridiculous considering that they can literally hold everybody hostage by threatening to blow up some supports
00:28:57 parisbre56: but that's star wars lore for ya
00:29:36 parisbre56: I love it that I get to write in a universe where I don't have to care about things being all that logical
00:31:56 parisbre56: anyway, these quests should keep you busy until you raise the stats enough to trigger one of the big events.
00:32:48 parisbre56: oh, and I didn't have you eat the blasters because more people voted to hide them. wonder what the hell they are actually gonna do with them.
00:32:59 parisbre56: it's not like they ever use them
00:33:14 parisbre56: but dragons gonna hoard I guess
00:33:19 parisbre56: so it's in character
00:34:14 parisbre56: anyway, that's enough for today. later.
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01:41:00 Devastator: it's not necessarily going to hold them hostage with supports. I'm betting the spires are at least partly held up by antigravity.
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02:12:59 er: Now? Probably time to sleep ;p
02:17:31 er: Pretty much the end of current dnd, because the GM realized all the things he was doing wrong and wanted time to rejig things. :P
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06:09:57 syv: Had like a halfhour nap before coming to work, work up around eightish yesterday morning.
06:31:15 syv: Okay, apologies for the silence, was doing busywork
06:34:56 Devastator: yay! missed you the last couple days.
06:35:02 Devastator: also, no orders in K-com
06:37:34 syv: Yeah. I haven't been doing forum games because I've been in that "no fun allowed until I update MY game" state. Which has mostly resulted in me dicking around and watching YT or reading random articles on unimportant things.
06:38:15 syv: Meaning to go through the forum games today, so I don't miss too much. Is K-com particularly urgent?
06:38:17 Devastator: you want advice on that or to do other dicking around?
06:38:26 Devastator: Nah, just there are no orders in it.
06:38:30 Devastator: which is new for me.
06:46:17 Devastator: I read you were thinking something was wrong about a stadium.
06:56:45 Devastator: what's the problem?
07:00:17 syv: I have a set goal in mind for what the environment looks like. I additionally have the goal to have all environments be accurate/realistic. The environment I decided to have is, while not *impossible*, rather unusual, meanig it conflicts somewhat with what the actual reality would be. Furthermore, it's an environment I have no personal experience with, which makes describing it unpleasant, as "accurate description" becomes a nebulous goal th
07:01:05 syv: All this stacks on top of my general dislike for/difficulty with environmental descriptions. Overall, this results in it being easiest to Just Not Do, because doing it is hard.
07:02:18 syv: A large outdoor stadium that fully encircles a sports field of undefined type, which has been repurposed for a jousting event.
07:02:50 syv: For small to moderate size city of a small nation.
07:03:34 MidJag: I can help describing that, I have been to outdoor stadiums a lot
07:04:24 syv: ...Yes, I know, and I did ask for your help awhile ago. You gave me literally the only solid point of description I ended up being comfortable using.
07:04:52 Devastator: equestrian stadiums,
MJ?
07:05:14 MidJag: College football specifically.
07:05:22 MidJag: ..And I guess highschool as well
07:08:07 Devastator: well, with equestrian basically any shape goes.
07:10:08 Devastator: ..yeah. For a dressage (ridiculously fancy riding) you basically demonstrate horsemanship skills and horse comportment with a routine, which can fit into any reasonable arena.
07:10:26 Devastator: for jumping each event/arena is supposed to have its own course.
07:11:09 Devastator: for racing things are sort of standardized but not really.. differences exist, and basically we're talking about a big dirt oval.
07:12:15 MidJag: Yeah, I know racing ones, just because of the kentucky derby. But that's about it.
07:13:39 Devastator: Hell, Spruce Meadows is this odd sorta oblong shape.
07:16:36 Devastator: for a fully inside equestrian stadium.. well, I think the best example would be the Saddledome.
07:16:38 Devastator: which is multi-use.
07:19:47 Devastator: I think all you really need is some place full of people and noisy.
07:20:12 MidJag: That is pretty much every stadium.
07:21:05 Devastator: so how are you,
MJ?
07:21:35 MidJag: Also hot, but that might just be because I live in the south currently.
07:22:00 Devastator: Spruce Meadows is fun, because not only do they have the jumping courses, there's a judging stand with four trees at the corner, right there in the middle of the arena.
07:22:14 Devastator: and a little stand where the guy who resets the jumps is based.
07:22:26 Devastator: Oh, and all the obstacles get moved around every year.
07:23:01 MidJag: Not bad, this holiday break has been crazy busy for me, like a this point it will be a mild relif to go back to school.
07:24:50 Devastator: but yeah, since horses are smart, you can have basically any kinda shape, so long as you have some way of getting the horses in and out.
07:25:35 Devastator: although it probably wouldn't be as loud as most contemporary stadiums for other sports.
07:26:42 Devastator: they can get used to it, but..
07:29:35 Devastator: mmm, that's a downside to mobility 3.
07:29:46 Devastator: can't go to one of those for fun, no point. ;-p
07:30:00 MidJag: Faster then the horses? :P
07:30:14 Devastator: yeah, and far jumpier.
07:30:51 Devastator: eh, she'd outgrow it pretty soon, anyway, but it'd be something.
07:34:25 Devastator: (she couldn't compete, no matter what. They regulate tack pretty heavily.)
07:34:43 Devastator: would notice the not-a-horse bit.
07:34:49 Devastator: it's what you call 'stuff you put on a horse'
07:36:32 Devastator: Watching some hilights. I forgot just how hard they made the courses at spruce meadows.
07:36:44 Devastator: I mean, it might be the world premiere event, but even so.
07:40:12 Devastator: god, calling tack 'stuff you put on a horse.'
07:41:20 Devastator: glad your life is ok.
07:43:25 MidJag: Bit of just busy holidays and the other half is doing family stuff, my twin bro is going through a bad breakup so I've been helping with that.
07:43:46 Devastator: should send him a harem member.
07:44:07 MidJag: heh. That might help honestly.~
07:44:41 Devastator: so no fireballs yet?
07:51:07 Devastator: should be good then.
07:51:20 Devastator: remember, as long as there are no fireballs and no more than one tail, you're ok.
07:57:56 syv: So I can fuck a dog as long as I don't set it on fire first?
07:58:34 Devastator: although in
MJ's system I'm basically saying that so long as no more than one member is currently engaging True Form, it's ok.
07:59:49 syv: ...What bestiality laws does Canada have? IIRC the US ones were made after the horse sex death, so does Canada even have them? Or did y'all just preempt the suicidal horsefuckers and make it illegal before any incident?
08:00:16 Devastator: I have no idea, I'd have to look it up.
08:00:23 Devastator: I'm pretty sure it's illegal, but I have no idea.
08:00:25 MidJag: ....do I even want to know?
08:03:54 Devastator: looks like it's only legal in West Virginia, New Mexico, and Wyoming, according the wikipedia.
08:04:22 MidJag: They practically write themselves
08:05:24 Devastator: "Knowingly engage in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal"
08:05:31 syv: "As of February 10, 2018, 45 states and 2 territories ban sex with animals, while 5 states and the District of Columbia have decriminalized it (due to repeal of sodomy laws)."
08:09:51 syv: Oh, this reminds me of an infographic I've seen, IIRC circulated from some EU nation. Has some nice little outlines of a man sticking his penis into a cow (illegal), and a man sticking his forearm into a cow for artificial insemination (legal), a hog receiving a blowjob (illegal), a hog being castrated without anesthesia (legal), and a chicken in bondage gear (illegal, and hilarious), with a chicken in a tiny cage (legal). I really wish I had
08:10:33 syv: ...I remember thinking of it as bestiality apologism, but come to think of it I think it was generally meant to be advocating animal rights.
08:11:05 Devastator: although it does make me wonder with the first one if someone knows how often you need to stuff the uterus back inside the cow after it gives birth.
08:11:28 syv: Also I don't think putting a chicken in bondage gear in itself would be illegal by any bestiality laws I know of.
08:11:48 Devastator: I'm not sure it is illegal.
08:13:53 Devastator: and in most places tiny cages are.
08:18:21 syv: Seems like they aren't in the USA, but are in the EU, and have been for two decades.
08:19:05 syv: That would be a really, really dumb position, with the pig.
08:25:07 MidJag: welp, I'm going to bed.
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08:25:49 Devastator: also you don't use a knife to castrate animals.
08:25:54 Devastator: ..unless it's different for pigs.
08:27:04 syv: I'd kinda expect anesthesia to be a good idea as well, not for animal welfare, but just for ease and safety. Cutting off an unconscious animal's bits is a hell of a lot easier, I'd think.
08:27:22 syv: ...Though I think there's also a rubber band method?
08:27:30 syv: Which, yeah, no anesthesia needed there.
08:30:01 Devastator: yeah, rubber band method is the real way to do it.
08:30:31 Devastator: although maybe it's different for pigs.
08:31:35 Devastator: any PS progress, or just more faffing today? ;-p
08:34:11 syv: Apparently pigs are indeed castrated by knife, because the testicles don't hang down enough for good banding.
08:36:23 syv: As for today... well yeah, faffing about so far. Stress, yay. Now, now I'm tired and I'd be asleep if I didn't have to be awake for work.
08:36:45 syv: Maybe I'll write something, I dunno. Sometimes exhaustion makes it easier.
08:39:16 Devastator: Is it that you can do too much when some place turns into a labrynth?
08:39:27 Devastator: I mean, it seems to me like you can have basically anything happen.
08:41:02 syv: If you try and look at this from a logical perspective, it's dumb that I got stuck here.
08:41:47 Devastator: as if writer's block is logical.
08:42:47 syv: But no, the transformation into a labyrinth should be relatively straightforward and easy (though, admittedly, the current block is trying to figure out how to segue from description into the transformation description). The trouble I've had is with physically describing the stadium before the transformation.
08:43:02 syv: Which, you may notice, was sidestepped by arbitrarily blinding Tooru.
08:43:37 Devastator: Hmm? You've defined it fine.
08:43:54 Devastator: it'll be basically an oval with a dirt floor, some walls around it, and stands above them.
08:44:14 syv: Note the fact that this was not described.
08:44:25 Devastator: Yeah, but it's pretty basic.
08:44:48 Devastator: all that's special would be a fence thing between the two competitors, which, IIRC, is the actual 'lists'
08:45:03 Devastator: and probably some space for each rider to get set up.
08:45:34 Devastator: There would probably be an official examining everyone before the tilt, and another one judging the tilts, and probably at least two people with cameras.
08:45:43 Devastator: that is, one each for examinations.
08:47:26 syv: ...I do not need to be told this, I do not want to be told this, I did not request to be told this, and it is unpleasant to be told this. Please stop telling me this.
08:53:29 Devastator: ..I just want to help, and think it's fine if you don't describe the stadium. Concentrating on people or emotions like you did was just fine.
08:55:14 syv: Yeah. Thanks for trying to help, I just... that's not what's helpful right now. The intent is appreciated, even if the effort was not successful.
08:55:55 Devastator: turning into a labrynth.
08:56:10 Devastator: so someone's witching out right there, or is the witch arriving from somewhere else?
08:58:22 syv: I think the fact that it's a labyrinth is extremely obvious, and is going to be explicitly stated next update, so I'm fine with talking about that.
08:58:54 syv: The specific explanation of what's going on is not obvious, so I'm not gonna give a freebie there.
09:00:06 Devastator: I'm asking the question in the hopes of helping you through it, not gathering info.
09:01:22 syv: Mm. I've had this specific labyrinth and witch in my head for well over a year, it's solidly defined.
09:02:00 syv: The stadium, and the circumstances of the stadium's scene, *that's* newish stuff (well, prolly like five months old, but that's three or four updates ago?).
09:02:02 Devastator: What the hell is going on with this IVAN game.
09:02:10 syv: But the labyrinth and witch are solid and old.
09:02:13 Devastator: I've found two extremely valuable items, well, three really.
09:02:26 Devastator: and just about got murdered twice by random crits from shitty enemies.
09:02:47 Devastator: I found a freaking dragonhide helmet, I shouldn't be at risk of insta-death via beheading.
09:03:36 Devastator: but I found a scroll of change material and another scroll of charging, on the second floor. If I find a wand of cloning and a helm of brilliance, I have the entire game already.
09:14:31 Devastator: ..and got an angel from a low-level sacrifice from the god of smithing.
09:16:52 Devastator: I haven't seen one of those for years, it's like a 1% chance.
09:22:22 syv: Guess you don't play much, then? ;P
09:32:02 Devastator: Yeah, most games I binge for a while.
09:32:06 Devastator: "A broken helmet of brilliance.
09:32:21 Devastator: also found a second scroll of charging.
09:32:25 Devastator: otoh, I need booots.
09:32:30 Devastator: or the wolves will eat my feet.
09:44:16 Devastator: ugh, found a mithril halberd.
09:44:24 Devastator: do I change from two-handed swords to halberds?
09:44:40 Devastator: halberds are better now, but I won't be able to wield two of them unless I get far, far too much arm strength.
09:46:33 syv: Not quite glaives, which are my favorite, but halberds are still great.
09:51:35 Devastator: Now that's a screwup.
09:53:18 Devastator: actually, only a 28 strength minimum to one-hand a halberd.
09:53:24 Devastator: that's actually concievable.
09:53:33 Devastator: (mithril, mind you.)
09:53:46 Devastator: it's like CC1.5 levels.
09:57:07 Devastator: that would have been brutally unfair.
09:57:16 Devastator: stepped on a mine, with a wand of lightning standing on top of it.
09:57:20 Devastator: fortunately the wand didn't explode.
10:05:33 Devastator: useful, but so, so dangerous.
10:06:01 Devastator: if you don't have one, sometime you get murdered by a monster with a +4 mithril short sword or something.
10:06:08 Devastator: if you do have one, you die when you step on a mine.
10:14:05 Devastator: "The wolf critically bites you in the left arm! Your left arm is severed off!"
10:21:33 Devastator: they have special combat rules that cause them to go for the limbs far more often than normal attacks.
10:25:48 Devastator: it's basically a check to make sure you have gloves and boooots.
10:31:22 Devastator: great, and the wolf ate the arm.
10:31:30 Devastator: welp, good thing healing potions can regrow limbs.
10:47:02 Devastator: Also welp, those orders from shadowclaw are invalid.
10:52:25 Devastator: well, they're valid but stupid.
10:58:42 Devastator: well, mostly valid.
11:03:53 Devastator: I'll say one bit right now.
11:04:01 Devastator: you only need one airstrip per base.
11:04:42 Devastator: Also, irony's question the other day is that buildings are usable when they're done. a 1 turn building will be usable next turn.
11:05:10 Devastator: if you want to design a 0 turn prefab hangar, go for it.
11:19:09 Devastator: the Hamilton Tiger-Cats made a highlight reel.
11:19:14 Devastator: still love the name.
11:19:24 Devastator: a team called the Tigers merged with a team called the Wildcats.
11:44:51 Devastator: "You stab the rookie dark knight. The rookie dark knight manages to partially block your strike with his bronze long sword +1. The bronze long sword +1 breaks. The rookie dark knight manages to partially block your attack with his bronze shield +1. The bronze shield +1 breaks. The rookie dark knight dies screaming."
11:55:13 syv: Since when does Robin use a sword and shield?
11:59:05 Devastator: man, I need that wand of cloning soonish.
11:59:25 Devastator: three freaking charging scrolls. Even if I get a one-charge wand it'd be victory.
12:00:43 Devastator: If I don't, I'll have to recharge polymorph wands hoping to make one.
12:03:00 Devastator: ..it might not be possible to get those from polyphiling.
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12:32:07 er: I'm not yet awake enough to say anything interesting.
12:36:45 er: Not for another 7 hours at least~
12:37:31 er: Actually I kind of feel like I should really rest after work, so more than that?
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12:39:23 er: I offer my sympathies with whatever.
18:24:05 Devastator: hmm, kinda disappointed, was hoping Draggy could just see in total darkness.
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20:21:54 parisbre56: yeah, later. you need magic for that. or night vision goggles.
20:22:10 parisbre56: hmm. does star wars have night vision?
20:23:25 parisbre56: oh, wait, republic commando had night vision
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