00:39:24 er: I'd better be paid well for valiantly sending all my units rp due
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00:56:48 Devastator: you don't get paid extra for casulties,
er.
00:57:27 ER: are you telling me that human wave tactics *aren't* the way to go for fighting kaiju?
00:57:47 IronyOwl: so that could have been worse, but we couldn't quiiiiiiiite get the job done
00:57:52 ER: also you referred to our units using our usernames a couple time there
00:58:15 Devastator: your username is your unit.
00:58:35 ER: but nothing is called Irony in universe!
00:58:56 IronyOwl: maybe every soldier in my platoon is Irony Ironyish Ironyson, the Third
00:59:17 IronyOwl: well, maybe every soldier in my platoon was named that before they were melted
00:59:42 IronyOwl: anyway why would you need the council to be on board with catgirls,
er?
01:00:18 ER: so that they keep funding me while I put all my resources towards future hypothetical OP catgirls, I guess
01:00:51 IronyOwl: probably wiser to just build it in stages
01:00:56 IronyOwl: make initial Gen-1 catgirls
01:01:06 IronyOwl: use them to participate in battles and figure out what works
01:01:16 IronyOwl: use the time and funds and kaiju bits to make Gen-2 catgirls
01:01:17 Devastator: that's one way to do it.
01:01:23 ER: nah, that would end up diluting the resources
01:01:51 ER: I will probably improve them eventually, but I want a big old project for the first edition
01:02:16 IronyOwl: you figure out the particulars yet?
01:03:39 ER: haven't written it yet, because I can't make them yet
01:03:57 IronyOwl: this sounds like a catch-22
01:04:43 ER: but... Jumps Good, strong enough to use large melee weapons, tough internal organs, good at climbing
01:05:14 IronyOwl: goin the claymore route, eh?
01:05:28 IronyOwl: actual question: do you think a nine foot long sword will be effective vs kaiju?
01:05:56 ER: plus equips, which should certainly include some good infantry armor
01:06:26 ER: and inf can carry multiple weapons, so something ranged in addition to melee
01:06:50 ER: I think a sword will be effective if swung with sufficent force :D
01:07:18 ER: if maybe in a softer spot, targetting weapons, or making a hole to burrow into
01:13:26 IronyOwl: so what do you need/want to actually make them?
01:13:53 IronyOwl: like how much muscle?
01:14:39 ER: I have 3 now, at least 3 more to start the project, and of course I'll need the same number to actually build it
01:14:55 IronyOwl: any particular method to those numbers?
01:15:24 ER: nope, because I kept pestering
dev for it and he has given me nothing
01:15:47 IronyOwl: yeah, I asked him about it too
01:15:50 ER: but I figure that double what I got from one extraction job should be pretty damn strong
01:15:55 IronyOwl: he pointed out we've collectively used 0.0 kaiju bits
01:16:12 IronyOwl: yeah, one would think
01:16:29 IronyOwl: man these are gonna be some buff catgirls
01:16:34 ER:
dev, how much kaiju muscle bits to make a platoon of human-sized creatures out of solid kaiju muscle? :P
01:17:24 Devastator: it's not that simple, but one bit would be enough to mass more than a human, as I'm judging these things.
01:18:05 ER: and our platoons are like... 14 people?
01:18:49 Devastator: they're half-platoons, like 40.
01:19:50 ER: welp, like 6 bits should be good. little more or less is acceptable because yields seem to be random.
01:20:04 ER: can I pay you to get to samples, IO? :V
01:20:08 Devastator: And yes, none of you have used ANY kaiju bits.
01:20:11 IronyOwl: humans are supposedly supposed to be about 1/3 muscles by mass, probably a bit less by volume since it's dense
01:20:37 IronyOwl: so +1/40th your volume in muscle might not be noticeable
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01:21:15 IronyOwl: 6/40 would be 15%, so basically half again as much muscle as in your entire body
01:21:23 IronyOwl: presumably this would be rather noticeable
01:21:24 Devastator_: don't overthink it. Unless you describe otherwise, I'd be assuming you're working on a cellular level.
01:21:50 IronyOwl: as for paying me for kaiju bits... hm
01:22:05 IronyOwl: hard to say how much cash they're worth
01:22:06 Devastator_: I haven't added up two months of scores yet, btw.
01:22:12 Devastator_: but there's another review at this point.
01:22:22 IronyOwl: haha, good thing some of us are in good with the council
01:22:27 IronyOwl: cause this month was a wee bit rough
01:22:43 ER: why can't everyone be spooks, like me
01:22:46 IronyOwl: actually, does being political make me any better at convincing the council of things?
01:22:55 IronyOwl:
er, you have a high energy physics lab yet?
01:23:19 IronyOwl: I'm guessing everyone's gonna need one eventually
01:23:35 IronyOwl: well, everyone's gonna want one immediately and be able to afford one eventually, is what I mean
01:24:01 ER: "flat buff to research" is kinda nice, if you've the money to spare
01:24:05 Devastator_: Eh, that's already in it.
01:24:07 IronyOwl: especially important if you're about to start your major, org-defining project
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01:24:48 IronyOwl: I might, since my plans all require a bit more infrastructure
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01:25:02 IronyOwl: certainly don't this turn, but when I get my income it's possible
01:25:03 ER: plus... two months? is that how that works?
01:25:12 Devastator: 4 turns is two months, yeah.
01:25:44 IronyOwl: oh, so that's counting both "phases"?
01:26:52 Devastator: yeah, each one is a turn.
01:27:36 Devastator: It's mostly for scaling, to make it easier to keep track of stuff I want costing an extra month every two stages.
01:28:03 Devastator: ..also, 'this turn' is when you guys get income.
01:28:08 Devastator: start of purchases is when you get income.
01:28:44 ER: "will florence learn that exiling their problems only makes them sassier?"
01:42:15 IronyOwl: I'm trying to figure out the big strategy here and failing, this is why I tried to make that chart
01:43:02 ER: I dunno man, I've just given myself a vague goal and am blindly groping towards it
01:43:39 IronyOwl: I understand fully, being the proud owner of a submarine I can't store anywhere
01:44:34 ER: why do you need storage when you could just have it deployed out somewhere~
01:44:57 ER: I mean, you have to do that with slow navel vessels anyways, right?
01:45:14 Devastator: yeah, you gotta call it out.
01:48:51 IronyOwl: man this would be easier if we knew anything about how aquatic units work
01:49:06 IronyOwl: though given the kaiju tendency to target cities and at least briefly ignore military units
01:49:30 IronyOwl: I'm guessing if my sub were worth anything I could give it orders not to fire on the kaiju until it was landbound and it'd be fine-ish
01:49:49 IronyOwl: problem is I'll be not just guessing, but actively wagering my precious sub on that supposition
01:49:54 ER: think that would be fine if it were med speed...
01:51:02 IronyOwl: yeah there's no salvaging slow speed; that's just gonna have to be upgraded, no real choice there
01:51:16 IronyOwl: I mean, I asked about regions and it actually covers a fair patch of the world
01:51:23 ER: well, MAYBE with really good detection?
01:51:26 IronyOwl: but only being able to use it 20-25% of the time just isn't gonna work
01:51:42 ER: would probably need to build multiple facilities
01:51:43 IronyOwl: but like, if I'm gonna be investing in better detection tech, maybe just build the thing a new engine...?
01:52:15 ER: well, or you could just make lots of subs and put them everywhere :P
01:52:36 IronyOwl: it's like cannon fodder but with naval vessels!
01:53:11 ER: new building idea, man printer
01:53:20 ER: takes in matter, builds man
01:53:30 ER: repeat until planet made of guardsmen
01:53:45 IronyOwl: this is one of those tragic moments where you find out a clone platoon costs 65 and a regular platoon costs 50
01:54:02 IronyOwl: so it's literally cheaper to just scoop up all these mooks littering the planet than custom building your own
01:54:44 IronyOwl: so... my real problem I think is that I have two plans, and both of them require substantial investment to really work
01:55:05 IronyOwl: I think I need to settle on something practical while I pursue madness as a longterm goal
01:55:38 IronyOwl: the other problem is that both of my insane plans relied on mad scientists
01:55:51 IronyOwl: which are doing other people's stuff or going off on their own most of the time
01:59:41 IronyOwl: ...shit, it might be time to borrow
syv's tactic of mass expendable artillery fire
01:59:54 Devastator: those swords would have loved mass artillery, btw.
01:59:58 Devastator: they were incapable of not killing them.
02:00:10 IronyOwl: so we finally hit the counter
02:00:23 IronyOwl: ...other than just flailing about until the artillery dies
02:00:31 ER:
dev said this one was normal strength for kaiju
02:00:31 Devastator: long-range multitarget attacks counter lots of stuff.
02:00:39 Devastator: 80% normal strength.
02:00:44 Devastator: but that's a good number.
02:00:57 ER: I really want those swords though
02:01:01 Devastator: Just gotta be smrt!
02:29:58 Devastator: there is a cost to them deploying stronk kaiju.
03:00:33 Devastator: but it's rough on you guys for the nonce.
03:02:38 ER: maybe I should get people to help me steal TK blades
03:04:24 ER: hey irony, want to spend an action phase breaking into a place owned by our employer?
03:25:51 ER: this will be of great use to the nekobutcher project
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04:06:37 IronyOwl:
er no, no breaking and stealing D:
04:06:43 MJ: I saw the new Star Wars movie
04:06:45 ER: I'm trying to convince myself that I need sleep to function
04:06:58 IronyOwl: you do need sleep to function D:
04:07:29 MJ: No one needs sleep. Come to the sleepless side
ER.
04:08:09 IronyOwl: well, what did you think of Star Wars?
04:08:18 ER: cause somehow, the council managed to capture that kaiju
04:08:23 MJ: It was not very good honestlly.
04:08:37 IronyOwl: "not very good" is high praise all things considered
04:08:43 MJ: Like I liked it a bit more then 8 but not by much.
04:09:06 IronyOwl: wait, when you say capture
04:09:08 MJ: Like they both were bad, but in completlly opposite directions.
04:09:19 IronyOwl: well that's interesting at least
04:09:25 ER: they apparently captured alive the kaiju, yes
04:09:36 ER: and they're not telling us >:|
04:09:39 IronyOwl: instead of the same ol' variety of bad, you've got different methods of being terrible at their jobs
04:09:50 IronyOwl: wait how do you know this
04:10:34 ER: what do you think "intel organization" means?
04:10:48 IronyOwl: that's what I assumed, but wasn't sure
04:11:08 IronyOwl: also I'm a political org, you'd think they'd share with me :'(
04:11:32 IronyOwl: any idea what they intend to do with it?
04:11:33 MJ: But yeah, like 8 is just like let’s get rid of all the fun parts of Star Wars and accomplish nothing Over the course of the movie. And 9 is like, let’s just do massive amounts of fanserivce because we’ve run out of ideas.
04:11:52 IronyOwl: mmm, a shame, but at least a fun shame?
04:12:11 ER: also apparently capturing is like, a bad idea, because it has telekinetic blades which cut anything
04:12:34 IronyOwl: but you gotta capture em at some point to interrogate em
04:12:46 MJ: I still can’t understand that viewpoint
ER.
04:12:54 ER: it's insane and unbalanced, just as all things should be
04:13:25 IronyOwl: I'd comment but I haven't seen it, so I'll have to defer to the experts~
04:13:40 IronyOwl: oh, but I've been suspicious of kaiju intelligence for a while now
04:13:53 MJ: Like there’s so many pointless scenes. And so much stuff that’s just non sensical.
04:13:54 IronyOwl: I have this naggin feeling that there's more to them than we've considered
04:14:27 IronyOwl: this kaiju's regeneration apparently being stun-interrupted is another point of suspicion for that
04:14:52 IronyOwl: makes me suspect they're organic mechs some kind of crew is attempting to control
04:14:57 IronyOwl: and repair, in this one's case
04:15:16 IronyOwl: that's the other possibility, yeah- that it's gamier than I'm thinking of
04:16:06 ER: eh, repair comes from the head part and is stopped by damage to the head part?
04:17:09 IronyOwl: possibly some kind of "special abilities are located in the head" thing
04:17:20 ER: hey, you know what sounds wierdly interesting to me?
04:17:26 IronyOwl: so hits to the head interrupt that, yeah
04:17:51 ER: a videogame like a zachtronics game aobut tinkering with the nanoguns from Iji
04:18:11 IronyOwl: never played very far in iji, what nanoguns?
04:18:25 Devastator: the gun is a nanogun.
04:18:27 ER: like, taking different bits of programming from different guns and having them shunt around and modify projectiles inside
04:18:30 Devastator: they're all nanoguns.
04:19:30 ER: ideally you'd have like, a shooting game where you go around collecting different guns and can take bits from them to make different guns
04:20:08 IronyOwl: I don't think I recall them mentioning the nanogun stuff
04:20:17 IronyOwl: although I remember they were all dinosaurs or something...?
04:20:34 ER: there's a whole system around them, but it's not like the thing I just described ;P
04:21:00 ER: iji's gun is a nanogun, you can pick up new weapons while like... absorb into the gun?
04:21:26 ER: the Komato are sort of dinosaur like
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04:22:29 ER: though they used to look like what the Tasen look like, which is basically like humans?
04:22:51 ER: and also I think they were all from Earth originally
04:23:11 IronyOwl: yeah there's something weird there with almost humans and dinosaurs and genocide and genemodding themselves into the other thing for some reason
04:23:32 ER: you don't EXACTLY see what the aliens look like because they're all fully armored
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04:24:33 ER: the komato modified themselves, some of them didn't like that and splintered off into the Tasen, now the Komato want to genocide all the Tasen because yay genocide
04:24:42 MJ: I can’t even describe the amount of better ness T2 has versus the new Star Wars movies
04:24:50 Devastator: well, that's what dinosaurs do to you.
04:27:06 Devastator: we watched terminator 2 yesterday.
04:27:41 Devastator: for some of us, it was for the first time.
04:27:55 ER: ...I wish that Iji had a sequel or something
04:29:08 IronyOwl: it's such a famous movie D:
04:29:37 Devastator: and the stunts weren't overdone.
04:31:43 ER: are there any termie movies after 2?
04:35:13 MJ: Nope
ER. There are absolutely no sequels to T2 whatsoever....at leas there are no sequels you can watch without taking San damage
04:35:40 ER: jokes on them I have 0 max san
04:37:22 IronyOwl: that's what I suspected, but I've never seen them myself :x
04:37:46 IronyOwl: which is itself *probably* pretty damning by itself
04:38:00 IronyOwl: but then I haven't seen many of the Marvel movies either and supposedly they're all great
04:38:15 ER: I've heard that the new new one might be good?
04:38:30 Devastator: It's better than the last couple.
04:38:33 Devastator: it's still not great.
04:38:49 ER: must be at least as good as marvel, right?
04:39:14 MJ: I don’t really like most of the marvel movies honestlly.
04:39:23 MJ: They’re just kinda formulaic.
04:39:53 ER: I've onyl really seen a couple
04:39:56 IronyOwl: I mean, they are superhero flicks
04:40:13 IronyOwl: the ones I've seen were good but obviously on the dumb fun side of things
04:40:48 Devastator: oh, do have a question for you, IO.
04:40:56 Devastator: have you read any of the novels by Patrick Rothfuss?
04:41:04 IronyOwl: haha, very first part of one
04:41:21 IronyOwl: it's terrible irrelevant rambling wank D:<
04:41:34 IronyOwl: or the meager parts I got through were
04:41:43 Devastator: Maaan, you missed a lot.
04:41:56 ER: goblin fight! goblin fight!
04:42:24 IronyOwl: what'd you think of em,
dev?
04:42:41 Devastator: Probably the two best novels I've read in fifteen, twenty years.
04:42:44 ER: good upstanding owl with good tastes VS goblin!
04:43:03 Devastator: Just so much going on, done by someone who really knows how to write.
04:44:14 Devastator: today I was going through a recap chapter in the second one, and breaking down the foreshadowing for the main plot that was being hidden by one character's actions.
04:44:51 Devastator: It was like "Man, this is a boring recap chapter, describing things for someone who missed the first one.", and behind the scenes it's like, 'well, this character did a lot to bring this conversation about.'
04:45:23 Devastator: she was looking for these three people for about three weeks, and when they got together, she's using three different rhetorical techniques in order to convince them to give her secret information.
04:45:57 Devastator: And then follows it up with two seperate kinds of bribes, all casual and played off the light tones of the interaction between the three friends.
04:47:18 Devastator: Then after getting the goods, she drops a very casual hint that indicates what she's been doing for the past half a year or so.
04:47:43 Devastator: which, if you've been following closely enough and figured out the secrets, is the core confrontation the entire series is building up towards.
04:48:15 Devastator: And the whole frelling book is like that. There's like three or four narratives going on at all points, and it's all dependant on the authors extremely careful word choice and phrasing.
04:49:05 IronyOwl: that sounds pretty amazing, but I couldn't get past the gypsy kid rambling about every aspect of his childhood
04:49:18 Devastator: Plus you can only know to look for that because of who the main character is. The descriptions lay out the basis and justifications for looking beyond the surface structure, through use of specific examples from said childhood.
04:49:36 Devastator: Yeah, that can be rough, but I think every freaking thing in there is important later.
04:49:48 Devastator: and not due to it just magically showing up, like a normal hero.
04:50:06 IronyOwl: sounds interesting, but also kind of like it's more puzzle than story in some places?
04:50:15 Devastator: There's some of that.
04:50:22 Devastator: but some otherwise.
04:50:25 IronyOwl: or maybe more like a murder mystery and less like a typical fantasy or adventure series
04:50:37 Devastator: Generally there will be something you'll notice that's off, and everyone I've talked to has seen different things.
04:50:46 Devastator: so that's what sticks with that particular reader.
04:50:57 Devastator: Like, are there any parts of the beginning that seem off?
04:51:52 ER: and
dev ranting about his nerd books seems like a good place to start
04:52:09 IronyOwl: mmm, I don't recall, been a while
04:52:47 IronyOwl: I remember the stone spider thing being weird, but not which parts
04:52:55 Devastator: I haven't figured those out.
04:53:02 IronyOwl: and the whole camping out in an inn thing was off
04:53:12 IronyOwl: maybe I'll see if I can find the book and give it another shot
04:53:15 Devastator: That's a core question.
04:53:33 Devastator: "Why is this character a failed inkeeper, if he's so famous?"
04:56:53 IronyOwl: I just assumed it was fallen wank
04:57:12 IronyOwl: woe is him down on his luck, let's hear about how many sex goddesses he used to bang
04:57:20 Devastator: He doesn't bang anyone until book two.
04:57:33 Devastator: Nah, he fucked up in a very deliberate manner.
04:57:52 Devastator: I don't know exactly how, but I suspect it's because he succeeded, not because he failed, just fucked things up due to being a prideful git.
04:58:32 Devastator: I mean, he screws up in manners due to pride like a dozen times per book.
04:58:37 Devastator: so I think the main one may be the same way.
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06:28:51 Devastator wonders if syv is going to show up.
06:29:21 IronyOwl: I'm hoping to prod him for thoughts as well
06:29:47 IronyOwl: he tends to have pretty good insights into the situation, though part of that's just his extra data
06:30:33 Devastator: yeah, he does get some extra debriefing info.
06:30:46 Devastator: plus he's big on number-crunching.
06:31:02 Devastator: Do feel free to ask questions. I might not give you the same kinda info, but I might give you something.
06:31:48 IronyOwl: well question one would be how the council feels about our performance
06:32:23 Devastator: have to add up the scoring to answer that one.
06:32:38 Devastator: could be better for that one.
06:32:49 IronyOwl: like actually killing it or not all dying, for example
06:33:14 IronyOwl: "Room For Improvement", let's say
06:33:17 Devastator: and lots of city damage.
06:34:23 IronyOwl: "there's still a quarter of a city left, that's pretty good right?"
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06:36:53 IronyOwl: not your fault your internet/client hates you
06:37:02 IronyOwl: ...I guess your client kinda would be on you, but still
06:37:24 Devastator: it was on me, I'm doing something in another tab and crashed my browser.
06:37:27 IronyOwl: anyway, could we tell how powerful a hit to the head was necessary to block that skin-flowing thing?
06:37:45 Devastator: mmm, that's more of a
syv question there.
06:38:01 Devastator: but you do know you can knock out bits of a kaiju with a hit to the right bit.
06:38:28 Devastator: Apparently that doesn't apply to just weapons.
06:39:35 IronyOwl: oh, you mean like it can have special abilities local to its head or dong or whatever
06:39:59 Devastator: also, non-weapon special abilities exist.
06:40:32 IronyOwl: MAN I need to research kaijuskin armor
06:41:01 IronyOwl: but I also need to research giant crabmen and retrofits to an obsolete submarine!
06:41:33 IronyOwl: but yeah, kaijuskin vehicle armor module would probably have a huge benefit for its cost
06:42:37 IronyOwl: doesn't help that I wedged myself into efficient bit harvesting, so now I'm hesitant to do actual research :p
06:43:02 IronyOwl: I suspect it'll be a while before we figure out whether that was a good or bad idea
06:44:24 IronyOwl: I mean, if I can offload a multistage project to another org it should be super efficient
06:44:31 IronyOwl: but setting that up will be tricky
06:44:58 IronyOwl: and the longer the project the bigger the payout, but most people probably aren't gonna need several turns worth of bits all at once, so the payment gets a bit wonky
06:50:12 IronyOwl: remind me of the size scales again?
06:51:27 IronyOwl: Small is small truck, Medium is helicopter/tank, Large is bomber/air transport
06:51:48 IronyOwl: Large +2 or +3 is battleship, but I don't remember what's in between
06:52:02 IronyOwl: other than that Huge (Large+1) is Submarine, apparently
06:53:39 Devastator: Huge is up to 1200-ish tons of steel.
06:54:47 Devastator: each class is very roughly up to something ten times larger.
07:13:45 Devastator: Chuck's reviewing a cartoon I've never heard of.
07:13:57 Devastator: Apparently someone made an animated adaptation based off Dragon's Lair.
07:14:03 Devastator: Also apparently it's so stupid it's good.
07:15:38 Devastator: "For the first time in a long time, I found myself calling over to my wife to watch with me, because I felt that this is so absurd that I could simply not stand being the only one in the household with knowledge of its existance."
07:26:37 IronyOwl: never heard of either of those things, but stupid good is good
07:31:02 Devastator: I will admit that's somewhat lacking from the Rothfuss novels.
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10:35:22 syv: Next time IO shows up, you can tell him that the puzzle novel part of NotW is really not obvious nor at all necessary to enjoying it.
10:35:54 Devastator: Yeah, that's a thought.
10:36:01 Devastator: dunno, though, felt like I needed to put something more out.
10:37:15 syv: At least when I was reading, it was mostly invisible, and there only a few parts that I felt were mostly there to get you asking questions about why they matter, like that long segment with the story about the... fallen kingdoms, I think? And general stuff about the Chandrian, though they're monstery enough that their antics can just be taken at face value.
10:37:32 Devastator: I think IO just wants more killy stuff from fantasy novels, not the relatively detailed worldbuilding with slow moving bits.
10:38:00 Devastator: It's not really that kind of novel, although there certainly is some action.
10:38:03 syv: Also, my father really liked the book, and he doesn't like puzzling out secrets of stories. He much prefers just relaxing and following the flow of the story, and did that with NotW, and felt the story was great.
10:38:26 syv: You may have a point, it is *really* heavy on world/character building.
10:38:37 syv: It is *not* Hardcore Henry the novel.
10:38:39 Devastator: I was also overcompensating for someone else who didn't really get why it was a special novel earlier.
10:38:50 Devastator: just some dude on the 'net, nothing that mattered.
10:39:56 Devastator: yeah, I do agree with you there.
10:40:03 Devastator: it's good for relaxing.
10:42:04 syv: I don't have any questions, myself, but I'll sign off on IO's question.
10:42:05 syv: 06:37:27
IronyOwl: anyway, could we tell how powerful a hit to the head was necessary to block that skin-flowing thing?
10:44:06 syv: (
Devastator) It was more about position than power of the hit.
10:44:15 Devastator: ok, I'll answer you here.
10:44:43 Devastator: But that's really it. It's more where it was hit than how hard.
10:47:51 syv: Not really anything to draw from that.
10:48:01 syv: Can we tell our forces to specifically target the head?
10:48:09 Devastator: As most things, you can design for stuff that does more X.
10:48:26 Devastator: Not really. Mostly because next time it might not be the head.
10:48:37 Devastator: If you identify a specific thing before the battle starts, you can do that.
10:49:01 syv: They already aim for identified weakspots, right? Like the infatry aiming at the underbelly, last month
10:50:31 Devastator: Yeah, they try to do damage and hit weakspots.
10:50:43 Devastator: but sometimes fail.
10:52:25 syv: Mm. What affects the chances of that? Units don't have an accuracy stat, so is everything equal, meaning only RoF affects the chances right now?
10:52:55 syv: Or is it something like "higher power makes it more likely to hit a weakspot"?
10:53:39 Devastator: more damaged a kaiju, easier to get damage through.
10:54:04 Devastator: equipment stats are independant of kaiju condition, normally.
10:54:22 Devastator: stronger weapons just have better shots of dealing damage.
10:57:08 syv: (
Devastator) more damaged a kaiju, easier to get damage through.
10:57:36 Devastator: ..I said that here.
10:58:29 syv: I'm very slightly annoyed that you just give me that information outright, now, when I'm asking a completely unrelated question, when I spent a couple hours compiling information suggesting it after last battle, and you gave a response to that along the lines of "not quite".
10:59:47 Devastator: I've mentioned that same thing in previous combat breakdowns.
10:59:57 syv: Also, the opposite of option B would be "lower power makes it more likely to hit a weakspot", while the opposite of option B would be "less attacks make it more likely to hit a weakspot.
11:00:54 Devastator: If I said 'not quite' it was likely because you had some of the details wrong.
11:01:04 syv: Ahh, I see, you interpreted "power" as "the health of the kaiju", when I meant "the unit's damage stat".
11:01:25 Devastator: No, I thought you meant 'power' as 'the unit's damage stat', because you know 'power' as a damage stat.
11:01:40 Devastator: I use a different name for the kaiju health stat.
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11:01:45 syv: ...Then how is that the opposite of either of the things I described?
11:02:25 Devastator: There's a third option you aren't considering.
11:03:19 Devastator: the weakspot effect is independant of the power stat.
11:03:28 syv: Saying "The opposite of the thing you aren't considering" is... not quite meaningless, but *is* entirely useless.
11:03:44 Devastator: Nah, I meant 'opposite'
11:03:49 syv: So, literally option A, yeah?
11:04:11 Devastator: The opposite of the weakspot effect depending on weapon stats is the weakspot effect depending on Kaiju stats.
11:06:32 syv: Sigh. Yes, that's pretty useless as a response. When I'm talking about the comparative effectiveness of the units we can choose and control, providing two options--"unit stats don't matter" and "unit stats do matter"--saying "no", meaning "no, unit stats aside from the units you're talking about do matter", is terrible.
11:06:45 syv: Yes, I know Kaiju stats matter.
11:08:07 syv: If they didn't, that means armor and health are completely irrelevant to whether you can damage a weakspot, which would mean either power of units is extremely important, or infantry would score waaaay more weakspot hits. The latter option is one of the two I mentioned, but wasn't something I was expecting.
11:08:46 syv: But yeah, "you need to be able to deal damage to hurt a weakspot" is... kinda just self-evident.
11:09:15 Devastator: yeah, I suppose that battle would deserve a little extra info for effectiveness of low-damage weapons.
11:09:20 Devastator: you've had a lot of combat shots rolled.
11:09:55 Devastator: I'll go PM you this, because I want it all down at once and you'll want to repackage it, ok?
11:09:57 syv: And yes, I know there's probably confounding factors like "this kaiju has poor/strong armor over weakspots", or "this kaiju has many/few weakspots", among a ton of other ways weakspot hit chance could be further randomized.
11:10:18 syv: Seems ranting about bad semantics is usefull sometimes, yaaay
11:21:21 syv: Repackaging: I was correct, only RoF matters for hitting weakspots; chances are completely independant of stats. Additionally, infantry small arms don't do any damage at all, unless modded.
11:22:22 syv: And yes, we can specially design weapons to have better chances of hitting weakspots, like any other special effect.
11:23:40 Devastator: I thought about adding that as a main stat, but this way streamlines dice-rolling significantly.
11:23:53 Devastator: it's a nice flow once I get the attacks lined up.
11:42:31 er: Want to talk about things other than boring kaiju science?
11:42:46 syv: Sure, if you have a subject.
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12:38:08 syv: Send any time on it, since the last PM?
12:39:10 syv: I think we pretty much just need skill mechanics now, then there's something runnable.
12:59:26 syv: Egan: Stop putting ERA on technicals.
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12:59:49 syv: If you're able to produce it, I'd happily buy ERA from you.
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15:30:01 Elasticly_Rigid:
Devastator, kaiju questions!
15:31:02 Elasticly_Rigid: I can do a research for a blueprint which makes things "in bulk", right? Ie, makes 3 of the thing in one turn using one workshop.
15:32:19 Elasticly_Rigid: 1: does this require a larger workshop? Ie, if I wanted to have a blueprint which makes 3 small vehicles in a month, would I need a medium or larger workshop?
15:33:20 Elasticly_Rigid: 2: can I have an idea how many turns it would take to modify my existing ERA blueprint to make 3 at once?
15:34:36 Elasticly_Rigid: 3: do bulk blueprints cost more, less, or the same number of bucks per thingie produced?
17:54:32 Devastator: No, a bunch, the same.
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19:14:37 Elasticly_Rigid: It would take that long to modify a blueprint for mass production?
19:15:03 Elasticly_Rigid: Eh, guess that's why I made another workshop
19:20:52 Elasticly_Rigid grumbles about people wanting to do nothing in SGs
19:31:58 Devastator: it's quicker if you design a workshop that can only make those.
19:40:14 Elasticly_Rigid: Fewer turns to research an ERA factory?
19:48:47 Devastator: but do say how many you want it to be able to build.
19:55:56 Devastator: but think about it, you'd have to build the factory and spend upkeep on it, so it should have some benefits to make up for those.
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20:54:54 Devastator: come over and you can have some.
21:13:00 Devastator: you can get to the city, but not this neighborhood.
21:33:35 er: Is ERA mountable on infantry power armor?
21:34:23 er: Apologies if my questions meander in circles over time...
21:35:04 Devastator: no, ERA is only for vehicles.
21:35:22 Devastator: although I'd like a real example of 'power armour' to be sure.
21:37:24 Devastator: have to make the armour.
21:38:53 er: Might just grab an MS, tell "power armor" see what happens
21:39:48 er: Eh, more likely I'll make it myself though.
21:40:22 er: Depends how many scientist hours and dolla bills I get
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