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01:50:25 ER: today we woke up in what is apparently the past, during a conflict between some humans, merfolk, and... I forgot their name. Amphibian people.
01:52:21 ER: GM apparently forgot that we don't always take the violent option, so we dodged a bunch of planning by trying to come up with a plan to stop the war and create a peaceful fishing/wressling competition which we went to in our own time
01:52:31 ER: nah, was two different races
01:53:15 ER: we got as far as coming up with a basic plan to distract the combatants with a metal concert and pro wrestling.
01:53:16 Devastator: aquahumans are the guy from Waterworld.
01:54:18 ER: the local tavernkeeper was basically out of booze, but we managed to secure a different supply. A few of them, actually. :P
01:55:00 ER: but, most of the fun will wait till next time
01:57:55 ER: uh, we're going to wait till they come ashore, because going underwater would be hard for us. :V
02:00:26 Devastator: I thought you were on underwater adventures.
02:01:10 ER: I can grow gills and fins. Only me though. for an hour.
02:01:30 ER: and apparently the place the merfolk live is farther than that
02:04:15 Devastator: are underwater adventures still the hellscape they used to be?
02:05:08 ER: I forgot the exact rules, but they're still not quite freindly to landdwellers
02:13:07 Devastator: I wonder what Grultch is
02:30:16 Devastator: I wonder how Draggy's doing.
02:30:54 Devastator: draggy isn't a kitty.
02:31:09 ER: it's a happy little murderer
02:31:31 ER: :3 looks like a cat, but the vibe translates to other killers
02:32:17 Devastator: it defended its territory!
02:33:22 ER: Draggy felt vindicated from defending its territory recently. Draggy felt contented by a fine meal recently.
02:33:52 Devastator: "took joy in slaughter recently."
02:40:33 Devastator: and we can probably go swim in the pond again to clean off.
02:41:06 ER: I'm not sure if draggy took joy in the slaughter, I think that's just us
02:41:56 Devastator: seems happy enough.
02:43:53 Devastator: I don't know if it's 'enjoys killing' or 'enjoys defending friends.'
02:44:30 ER: we didn't do a great job protecting her
02:45:01 Devastator: I wanted to protect her right.
02:45:03 Devastator: but was voted down.
02:54:54 Piecewise: Change your name to roboy right now
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03:12:25 Devastator: oh, I do need some help with your k-com orders.
03:13:17 Devastator: I'm not sure what you want, exactly. You are perfectly capable of using kaiju flesh to build creatures, you just need some of it.
03:14:23 Devastator: It's not something you have to research.
03:14:47 Devastator: your lab zone is also capable of acting as a kaiju lab if you want to dissasemble bits someone else sends you.
03:15:38 Piecewise: now I need to get a fucker to give me goo
03:16:08 Piecewise: Can I have kaiju flesh?
03:16:48 ER: build me a functional infantry madscience supression device
03:17:48 Piecewise: you want me to suppress...mad science
03:17:51 Devastator: you can buy some off the black market.
03:18:07 Devastator: buying stuff doesn't require you to pay upkeep. You just order it off the net.
03:18:21 ER: a mad science device which creates a beam which supresses the effects of mad science, eys
03:25:47 Devastator: like a base security building, or..?
03:31:50 Piecewise: I've already made a flesh begging post
03:32:06 Devastator: just not sure what you wanted.
03:32:14 Piecewise: we'll see what happens if I get some
03:32:33 Devastator: you can also make organic weapons without kaiju flesh.
03:32:39 Devastator: kaiju flesh just makes them better.
03:32:55 Piecewise: Also, what I want is an infinite beehive full of kajiu flesh wasps with freaking gau-8's for stingers
03:33:53 Piecewise: But I'll talk more about that once I get the damn flesh
03:37:09 Devastator: such a hive.. make sure you tell me if you want a non-moving deployable unit or a building.
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03:44:52 IronyOwl: hey
dev back again with more questions
03:45:17 IronyOwl: specifically... how does hiring lead scientists work again? I know some of the others have been for specific timeslots, but the current crop don't list durations or pay
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03:46:29 IronyOwl: welcome to the nerd club
03:46:55 Devastator: heya Irony and
Yotta.
03:47:10 Devastator: these are for the usual bits of 3 month long contracts.
03:47:26 Devastator: and you put bids. They can be in spoilers or PMs.
03:47:37 IronyOwl: that's what I figured
03:47:42 IronyOwl: for the pay part, that is
03:48:14 IronyOwl: do we bid on a specific scientist or do the top two bidders get an egghead?
03:48:19 ER: give my money for these juicy kaiju guts~
03:49:52 Devastator: I've been doing it with specific ones to date, but I think just top two bidders is better.
03:50:01 Yotta: Oh, just to double check. My action for K-Com is good, right? Doesn't need anything clarified or double checked.
03:50:06 Devastator: If someone's available permanently I'll make sure.
03:50:45 Devastator: you want the cordite smell to be drugs, right?
03:51:14 Yotta: Yep. Maybe give it a gold sheen to, for flavor.
03:51:26 Devastator: I don't think a building is right for that, and it'd help if you say ammunition for what.
03:53:02 Devastator: If you make a building for that, it'll just add the effect to whatever you subsequently build.
03:53:08 Devastator: which is, in all honestly, mostly useless.
03:53:32 Devastator: you could theoretically get it ready and then go build it for someone else, I suppose.
03:53:50 Yotta: Planned for it to be able to be swapped into most small-arm weapons. The idea was for it to be the combat drug idea I suggested awhile ago, but with a different flavor.
03:54:43 Devastator: ok, so small arms only.
03:54:55 IronyOwl: Ah
Yotta, working for every man to be able to enjoy the smell of napalm in the morning even without air support
03:54:59 IronyOwl: Also the napalm is delicious drugs
03:55:04 Devastator: also, what I said about the factory?
03:56:21 Yotta: I'm planning on mass-producing my "Get High" rounds for easy distribution. Like Irony said. Drugs for all.
03:57:26 Yotta: The ability to produce, or even have a discount on my drugs rounds seems useful.
03:58:38 Devastator: Yeah, then you probably want to build the factory for someone else. Or make a deployable unit to distribute the stuff on the battlefield.
03:58:56 Devastator: mad scientists don't really do mass production.
03:59:10 IronyOwl: The Distillery Truck of Righteous Vapors?
03:59:30 Devastator: if
PW builds his bug generator, he'd basically have a new bug swarm every time he gets rid of the old one, but only one at a time.
03:59:38 Yotta: Huh, didn't think about making a unit that deploys stuff.
03:59:40 Devastator: unless he makes another generator.
04:01:01 Yotta: And would something like that be possible for me? Produce a unit of incense rounds every month to a cap?
04:03:30 Devastator: a building that makes a new incense round every time you get rid of the old one?
04:05:48 Devastator: just make sure you indicate what you want it to be for.
04:05:58 Yotta: I'll edit my action to factory then.
04:08:16 Devastator: do note that if someone sends you an unprocessed bit, and you order it to be processed this turn, you can do that.
04:08:34 Devastator: they move like equippables, so immediately, unless you're buying it.
04:08:46 Devastator: if you buy it, it has to wait until next turn to resolve bids and what not.
04:09:10 IronyOwl: blue stahli's pretty nice
04:09:24 IronyOwl: one of the few bands I like almost everything out of
04:11:28 ER: damn, wish I had more processed muscle
04:12:32 ER: Guess I could spend a turn processing, and tell med lab to... do something short?
04:13:29 ER: Or small lab, but then I'd feel silly not using my med lab when I have it
04:13:55 IronyOwl: speaking of which... just realized I'll need a medium lab to reverse engineer tanks, won't I?
04:14:34 ER: did
Syv get a large lab to reverse the fighter?
04:14:49 IronyOwl: I have no idea... not sure he had time, actually
04:15:03 IronyOwl: takes 4 turns to get one, or 3 to upgrade an existing med lab
04:17:30 Devastator: yeah, you need a medium lab to reverse-engineer tanks.
04:17:36 Devastator: you'll have to ask
syv that.
04:17:51 ER: yeah, I have a good small lab idea
04:18:04 ER: which would do good to counter that rocket kaiju
04:19:31 Devastator: that rocket was not ordinary.
04:22:03 ER: wait, can I build and send an equipable in the same phase?
04:27:39 ER: so like, ERA armor is kinda GOOD, so here's a public note on my game strategy: gonna churn that shit out with small workshops
04:39:51 ER: ...if normal orgs can build listening posts and shooting ranges, can I research a politics building for lesser politics powers? :V
04:42:46 Devastator: but note they're not as good.
04:55:24 ER: a bit complex, admittedly :V
04:55:47 ER: and I didn't even describe my uber unit yet! :P
05:55:44 Devastator: <insert joke about boxcam>
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06:01:42 syv: Could I buy one of the BM tanks for an MS, and let them keep it themselves?
06:01:58 syv: If it'd need storage, could I buy them a hangar, or is unit-keeping just not an MS thing?
06:02:00 ER: unsounded is on chapter break. I loved this chapter, and I love the last couple pages even more
06:02:24 Devastator: Yeah, sure. but hangar rules still apply. And no, unit keeping is difficult for MSes. It's in the lab zone, or it's a building specifically built for the unit, or not at all.
06:02:49 syv: Would such a building need to be researched?
06:03:11 Devastator: Yeah. A couple of the MSes are doing that exact sort of thing this turn.
06:03:38 ER: couldn't an MS just do an action to "build unit holding building for unit x" because research and construction are the same for them?
06:04:28 syv: Oh, about
PW's hive, you realize he was making that for me, right? Like, to put on my base? At least, that's what I was talking about with him.
06:04:48 syv: Some of what you said kinda sounds like you think he'd gonna keep it on his base for his own use. :\
06:05:51 Devastator: I need to talk to
PW what he wanted, since his orders seemed like 'build what I need to use kaiju flesh' and all you guys can do that already.
06:07:28 Devastator: what I think he's doing it now is getting the building ready, and then coming over to your place to build it there.
06:09:15 syv: Mm. I can't build with my large workshop yet, can I? Because it's still has one turn of construction left? I'll only be able to use it next month?
06:09:32 Devastator: one turn will be finished for the action phase.
06:09:38 Devastator: ie, it will finish next turn.
06:09:47 ER: hey
syv, did you need to build a large lab to reverse engineer that jet?
06:10:05 ER: and do I need one of my own to take your design?
06:10:23 syv: You can research a completed design with any size lab.
06:10:29 ER: uh, I mean borrow from you, with your permission~
06:10:30 Devastator: no, any size can make your own copy of a blueprint.
06:10:40 syv: But you'll still need a large workshop to build it.
06:10:50 syv: Dubs, you wanted Kaiju flesh?
06:11:02 ER: he wants guts, which I'm giving him
06:11:16 syv: I have a fuckton of skin and muscle, if it's going towards that hive, I can frigging *drown* you in muscle.
06:11:57 syv: I was also gonna offer buying you a tank, but apparently you need to either jam it in a lab or specially research a tank box to keep one, so I can't really. :(
06:12:35 Devastator: that's a lab thing to put a tank in the zone.
06:12:47 Devastator: which requires getting an Igor first, to get a second lab.
06:12:51 ER: hey *I* want to drown in muscle!
06:13:10 Piecewise: I'll take as much flesh as I can get
06:13:20 Piecewise: Since I assume the more flesh the better
06:13:28 Devastator: gotta be chopped up to use, though.
06:13:32 Devastator: so make sure you chop it up.
06:13:36 Piecewise: hopefully can make these hives what amounts to a seed to be planted
06:13:51 ER:
dev, my technicals don't have upkeep costs listed.
06:13:55 syv: Well... I can throw muscle at you,
ER. It's not processed, but if you want it.
06:14:16 ER: does that include the armor I added to them?
06:14:17 Devastator: and you don't pay upkeep if it stays damaged.
06:14:33 Devastator: some addons add cost, and yeah, yours do.
06:14:34 syv: Does it stop being damaged once upkeep is paid?
06:14:43 Devastator: you pay double upkeep to repair.
06:14:50 Piecewise: Scatter hive seeds in major cities, feed them with raw meat, grow hives of deadly wasps, protect cities. Get bitches, smoke trees
06:15:07 syv: So... if something's not being used, might as well not pay upkeep.
06:15:34 syv: Well, Dubs, if you want muscle just ask. I got ya covered.
06:15:59 syv:
Dev, how much does muscle go for when sold to the world at large?
06:15:59 ER: wait. so +25 for the armor kit, or +25 for the armor kit +25 for the ERA?
06:16:08 Piecewise: I want all the flesh. I want a Scrooge mcduck like vault of flesh to swim in
06:16:44 Devastator: 1/2 what the BM is selling it for.
06:17:04 Devastator: if you can't pay upkeep, it gets damaged,
syv.
06:17:09 ER: give it all to me so that I can make buff catgirls
06:17:12 syv:
Dev, how many units of muscle are needed to fill a scrooge-mcduck vault of flesh.
06:17:19 syv: (
Devastator) you pay double upkeep to repair.
06:17:35 Devastator: 3 cubic acres, right?
06:17:50 syv: Turn one: pay 10 upkeep. Turn two: Pay 0 upkeep, item is now damaged. Turn three: pay 20 upkeep, item is now fine.
06:18:27 syv: If you don't use it in turn two, there is no cost to not paying. If you do not use it in turn three as well, there is a 10 cost profit.
06:18:44 syv: Unless it can't act on the turn it's repaired.
06:19:31 syv: Oh. Huh, that's... that's a lot more than I thought.
06:19:50 syv: What, are the looting soldiers just like, scraping off enough to fill a sack, then skedaddling?
06:20:19 Devastator: The stuff dissolves over time and gets gooey.
06:20:25 Devastator: yes, it doesn't make sense.
06:20:30 Devastator: yes, it doesn't make sense.
06:20:49 Devastator: basically assumed a square acre turned into a cube with the same sides.
06:21:24 syv: Yeah, I figured, I just have never heard of that unit before, and was momentarily confused.
06:21:33 Devastator: it probably should be a lot more than 350 parts.
06:21:43 Devastator: It's the traditional size of scrooge Mcduck's money supply.
06:22:03 ER: drat, not enough money to upgrade my med workshop to large this turn. :P
06:22:23 Piecewise: If I'm getting flesh I'll go update the thread
06:22:43 Devastator: a cubic acre technically would be four-dimensional.
06:24:18 syv: Yeah, I'll send you flesh. Muscle. Which might be meaningfully different from other kinds of flesh.
06:24:56 Devastator: wiki has it as six-dimensional.
06:25:10 syv: Would a square acre be a cube?
06:26:03 Devastator: I suppose that would be 2x2, so four.
06:26:14 ER: I'm sending you guts, which qualifies as kaiju genitals according to PMs between
dev and
syv that I was sent
06:26:41 ER: you'll still have to process it yourself, as you will the stuff
syv is sending you, if you choose to use it.
06:27:17 syv:
Dev, do even MSs *have* to process stuff before using it?
06:27:31 syv: I genuinely can't recall that being specifically stated. :\
06:28:13 Devastator: only processed stuff can be used.
06:28:51 Devastator: just process it this turn, and send it to him next turn. MSes produce something after each turn, but they can continue working on the project.
06:28:51 syv: Dubs, do you *need* the flesh to make the hive? If so, I might be able to just process the muscle for you myself.
06:29:00 Devastator: that also allows to shove in more stuff on multiple turns.
06:29:50 ER: I'm sending it to him unprocessed so that it wastes *his* scientist-hours, rather than *mine*
06:30:08 syv: His scientist-hours are more valuable than yours, though.
06:30:10 ER: and it gives him something to do this turn
06:30:41 ER: if he works on something else, he'll have to kick it out of his lab next turn to start processing
06:30:58 syv: Unless the processing is finished for him.
06:31:30 syv: Which I'll do if the meat is needed for the hive, or will help the hive, but can be added before the first turn without substantial issue.
06:31:53 ER: in which case he'll have to kick out the interim project to start on the hive
06:32:40 ER: unless MS can start work on something and cram kaiju samples into it mid-project? then he could start on hive now, and add guts samples next phase
06:32:43 syv: Can Dubs start on the hive this round, then get processed muscle next round, and add that to the hive, without it effectively just being equivalent to a project started next round?
06:33:16 syv: I'd assume they can,
ER, but you're demonstrating precisely why assumptions are bad. Other people always have different ones.
06:33:35 ER: in which case well jeez, wish *I* could add samples to an in-progress project. >:|
06:33:47 syv: (Oh, looking it up, an acre-foot is an actual unit meaning an acre of area with one foot depth, so a cube that's an acre on each face would presumably be an acre-acre.)
06:34:11 syv: To be fair, MSs essentially start a new project every single turn.
06:34:43 Devastator: "Can Dubs start on the hive this round, then get processed muscle next round, and add that to the hive, without it effectively just being equivalent to a project started next round?" Yes.
06:34:49 syv: So it's essentially like you spending one round making a thing, then a second round making a modification of that thing which uses the flesh.
06:35:08 Devastator: it's like each turn a MS doing research is running a full project on whatever's in the lab at that time.
06:35:36 ER: okay, can he add muscle and guts at the same time?
06:36:00 Devastator: that part's the same for you.
06:36:06 Devastator: but you guys need to do so at the start.
06:36:12 syv: ...Uh, why would you want him to add both? He seems to be working on my project first.
06:36:31 syv: Not complaining, just a little surprised at the implicit offer.
06:36:38 ER: because he specifically wants guts
06:36:57 ER: which is *already* in my action to give him
06:37:14 syv: I guess I'll throw some of the surplus muscle towards your catgirls in return.
06:37:36 syv:
Dev, is adding both muscle and guts to one project better than just one of either?
06:37:51 Devastator: more is better, yeah.
06:38:03 Devastator: but it'll add to the requirements to build the result, don't forget.
06:38:28 syv: Ohh. Hrm. That'd mean more hives would need guts, which I don't have.
06:38:30 Devastator: Also, if dubs gets started and then has to cut it up, he needs his lab zone to do that. It'll be full if he starts a project.
06:39:38 Devastator:
ER got that. Make sure
PW knows, too.
06:41:01 ER: yeah, tell
Piecewise to start his project this turn without flesh. Next turn we'll both send him processes samples.
06:41:28 ER: and then
syv gives me muscle for my generous contribution? :3
06:41:38 Piecewise: you can't stop me now
06:42:07 Piecewise: CAN I DO THAT THIS TURN
06:42:12 ER: "from Irony and
Sy and maybe others"
06:42:14 Piecewise: OR AM I GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO SUMMON SATAN
06:42:16 syv: Okay, you can't use flesh this turn. From anyone.
06:42:25 ER: where's irony giving you flesh, you ungrateful skel
06:42:28 Piecewise: GIVE ME THE GODDAMN FLESH YOU GODDAMN MISERS
06:42:44 syv: You can process flesh, geting no mad science, or you can wait for us to process it first, then use it.
06:42:56 syv: Which I think me and
ER are willing to do, happily.
06:43:15 syv: You *can* start on a project, then add the flesh later, once we're done processing it.
06:43:23 ER: yeah, it'll go way better if you start with flesh, so that we can use our own facilities to do the boring part and leave you to your science
06:43:33 Devastator: Yeah, you can make that.
06:43:56 Devastator: what you're describing is a deployable non-moving unit.
06:44:18 Devastator: but it's beyond what even a MS can do in one turn. After you make it, you can deploy it during an action phase.
06:44:47 Devastator: you'll probably have something after roughly three turns, but you might want more oomph to buff the units coming out of it, or other things related to it.
06:44:51 syv: Uh,
Dev, do you mean deployable as in deployable in a combat zone, where the kaiju can shoot it?
06:44:55 Devastator: that's assuming you get help.
06:45:04 Devastator: that's what he's describing, something he puts out in a city.
06:45:10 syv: That's... kinda immensely impractical.
06:45:21 Devastator: I didn't write his orders.
06:45:48 Piecewise: I mean, there should already be a infinite swarm of wasps by the time the kaiju get there
06:46:02 Piecewise: and there's no reason the hive has to be on the coast
06:46:28 ER: can deployable be deployed into
syv's base?
06:46:29 Devastator: There's a few other complicated bits, like he's trying to get around the 'no bigger than medium' bit by making something that grows after deployment.
06:46:53 Devastator: but yeah, you can do it.
06:46:58 Devastator: it also might not fail.
06:47:12 Devastator: when it's done, let me know where you're deploying it.
06:47:15 syv: I... yeah, I can't really justify funding that. I specifically wanted something that generates units, which I can then deploy elsewhere as I deploy planes.
06:47:28 ER: ...just better pay me for my highly valuable kaiju testies even if you don't roll high enough. ;V
06:47:35 syv: I also wanted armor, but I'm willing to overlook that because they sound like A-10 wasps.
06:47:53 syv: Maybe you should work on Egan's catgirls.
06:48:00 syv: They sound more to your taste anyway.
06:48:28 Piecewise: If I turn this large building of mine into the hive, and just print wasps all day, is that easier?
06:48:48 ER: so the foolproof plan evaporates on contact with the rules. ;|
06:49:12 Devastator: well, you'd make a new building that'd do that, actually. But it'd be a steady stream of wasp swarms.
06:49:12 Piecewise: Honestly I have no idea how the system works, I just try stuff
06:49:34 Devastator: what you are saying is something doable, but it'd probably escape from your base due to excessive mad science before being done.
06:49:35 Piecewise: I can't use my already existing and non-used lab to do lab stuff?
06:49:42 ER: yeah, it sounds like the intent is to make a building which produces wasp units
06:49:56 Devastator: you design the new building in your lab.
06:50:01 Devastator: you can also just make wasp swarms directly.
06:50:06 ER: and the egg part is so that it can be moved to
syv's base before growing to building size
06:50:15 syv: Instead of the bit about them having such simple immutable biological humans, make them be as trainable as a dog, with an instinctual hatred for kaiju and general like for humans.
06:50:32 Yotta: Deployable wasps... Deployable drugs... Drug Wasps.
06:50:32 Devastator: what your orders are is to make something with an awful lot of power and features. You'll get something each turn, but it won't really be finished until you do a bunch more work on it.
06:50:43 syv: Otherwise, sounds good. Though... I really would like armor on them.
06:50:53 Piecewise: I mean wasps have exoskeletons
06:51:05 Devastator: There's no reason you can't have armoured wasps.
06:51:52 syv: Just need them to be trainable, then. That's really the only problem, I think. As is, they can't be told "Go here" or even "Follow that plane", so they're useless unless grown in the target location.
06:51:54 ER: let me send you ERA armor and make a biological version which the wasps naturally grow with? :D
06:52:15 syv: ERA armor will need to be repurchased for every wasp swarm I want to armor.
06:52:26 syv: It's nicer if they're grown with the armor.
06:52:37 ER: organic ERA armor. Which the wasp develop on their own
06:52:45 Yotta: I should get the wasps high on my drug bullets.
06:52:57 ER: which is what i said the first time, dunkass
06:53:18 ER: I'm talking to
syv, not you
06:53:21 syv: Hey. I've only sometimes said I can read.
06:53:24 ER: your ideas are all wonderful
06:53:37 syv: Yes, wonderful lovable
Yotta.
06:54:03 ER: yeah, I should definately shuttle an ERA piece to
PW during this project.
06:54:16 Devastator: There's also one drawback to doing a building design as a MS. Producing a unit is free. Producing a building isn't.
06:54:24 Devastator: maybe I should change that.
06:54:29 Devastator: ..nah, people would just do econ buildings.
06:54:35 syv: Hey
Yotta, do you want kaiju muscle to work with?
06:54:55 syv: You could change the arbitrary rule to "no free econ buildings"
06:54:59 ER: *subject to your own processing :V
06:55:23 Yotta: Nah, not yet. Going for mechanical supremacy first. Might grab some chitin in the future though.
06:55:28 Devastator: it'd still add upkeep.
06:55:39 Devastator: but then again, I do want to see someone deploy a unit directly as a MS eventually.
06:55:53 syv: Is there anything fancy about doing that?
06:56:03 syv: Does the MS get bonus stats or something?
06:56:19 ER: "These are quite dense and very power-efficient, and you think they could be used in any research project to significantly enhance the performance of anything that moves."
06:56:34 ER: so I don't really think they need to be used on a purely biological thing
06:56:56 syv:
Dev, do different flesh types provide different specific benefits?
06:56:57 ER: srry, that's probably information I should have shared with the class. >.>
06:57:32 Yotta: Hm. Issue is that I'm not working on anything mobile yet. Focus on guns and drugs, then maybe try my hand at mechanical gun platforms.
06:58:46 Devastator: deployment will still require the upkeep thing, but you should be able to get it to store a couple at a time, though, which should make it worth your while.
06:58:46 ER: kaiju muscle powered minigun barrels, spins SUPER fast!
06:58:55 syv:
Yotta, just making a really good gun, and then later selling it to an org who mounts it on a modern tank, should be a pretty good plan.
06:59:04 Devastator: if it doesn't blow up in the research process. ;-p
06:59:05 ER: is the spinny bit a limiting factor in minigun design?
06:59:43 Devastator: but if you're getting worried, someone can send you cash for security buildings if you take a turn off.
06:59:46 Piecewise: I thought about also asking them to have prion filled bullets but eh
06:59:49 ER: *making a really good gun, then selling it to terrorists
07:00:13 ER: you can adjust the design as needed every turn,
PW :D
07:00:39 syv: Prion miniguns might be better, I'unno
07:01:21 syv:
Dev, if an MS builds a gun, could someone send them a tank, which they in the same turn mount the gun onto?
07:01:27 Piecewise: yeah but they're another part so I dunno if that would make them take longer or whatever
07:01:53 Devastator: no, not really, you have two things at the same time. A MS gun and a tank.
07:02:06 ER: good time to start working on overpowered end game weapons which will take a long time, I say. Though I have an advantage there in that I get to keep doing things while one lab and scientist work on the thing
07:02:13 Piecewise: in case someone says there aren't rotating parts in nature
07:02:23 Devastator: there are ball joints and flagella, IIRC.
07:02:41 syv: (
ER) good time to start working on overpowered end game weapons which will take a long time, I say. Though I have an advantage there in that I get to keep doing things while one lab and scientist work on the thing
07:03:15 Devastator: and yeah,
ER has it right,
PW. You can adjust what's happening each turn.
07:03:47 Piecewise: does that work for a turn or am I essentially wasting a turn because I don't have flesh yet?
07:04:14 ER: You could make the thing without the flesh, but the flesh makes it better
07:05:31 Devastator: and you can add in flesh later.
07:05:42 Piecewise: After these wasps are being mass produced we move on to channeling ZENTOL
07:07:01 syv: And now the excite turns to sad.
07:07:12 ER: the best part about our name is that it's hazardous to say out loud in certain universes
07:08:03 syv: That group was nearly stillborn.
07:08:35 ER: whole game had a bit of a rocky start
07:09:14 syv: Anyway,
ER,
Dev just told me in a PM that different kaiju parts DO grant different specific benefits. This implies that my hive would be better off built with guts than muscle, and that catgirls would be better off with muscle than guts.
07:09:34 syv: So... you process and send the guts, and I process muscle to send to you?
07:09:45 Devastator: I don't get why the first would follow the second.
07:10:19 ER: dunno, guts could be useful for them, but I think only one unit exists among us now, and I'm focusing on muscle
07:11:06 ER: but yeah, I'd gathered they would do different things from the description when I processed them, as well as... the fact that multiple kaiju parts exist
07:11:38 ER: muscle makes strong and fast, so I want to see what happens when I stack a bunch of that
07:12:09 ER: and guts, despite being kind of generic, fits the organic production building
07:12:42 syv: Are you working on the catgirls right now, or is the processing lower priority? Unless I nab a scientist, I'm gonna have to choose between reversing transport planes, or processing organs.
07:13:07 ER: though I might add guts to nekohunters, to make them more resistant to wounds. Because anomalies are bullshit~
07:13:53 syv: Might be able to throw in skin. Skin is defensive, I'd think?
07:13:54 ER: unlike
PW, I can't add parts mid research, and I only have 3 muscle samples so far. I'm waiting till I have more to start them.
07:14:08 ER: in the mean time, using my two scientists to process and to make drones
07:14:39 ER: uh, but yeah, immediate goal right now is to get more muscle samples.
07:15:07 ER: in case you didn't know, processing one part will get you multiple samples, and the number you get might be random?
07:15:34 syv: Well, do you need more muscle asap, or should I focus on getting cheaper transports first?
07:15:34 ER: I asked if processing muscle always got me 3 samples, and the answer was "no"
07:17:14 ER: if you could process muscle, that would be great.
07:18:03 ER: Maybe we could collude to make sure we each get a scientist? :3
07:18:41 syv: I mean, I'd totally be happy to do that, but it's just us two.
07:19:14 Devastator: how is it going on Discord?
07:20:41 syv: Irony... well Irony seems to be happy to work with people, and I've already tried to show that my research is for the good of everyone. That leaves... BM guy, who seems friendly, and Stirk.
07:20:54 ER: yes, send me processed muscle asap, so that I can start nekos in may purchases phase.
07:23:57 ER:
Devastator, will nekos necessarially end up looking huge and buff if I put large amounts of kaiju muscle into them? ;P
07:24:45 ER: ah good, I've created space marines.
07:25:19 ER: ...just to confirm, it takes a shorter amount of time to design something if it's a variation on something I've already made, right?
07:25:52 syv: For a brief moment I was about to google giant buff catgirls. But then I thought a little more and decided that I don't want to do that.
07:25:55 Devastator: if you start from the blueprint, yeah.
07:26:49 Devastator:
ER, go find some giant buff catgirls for us, please.
07:26:54 Devastator:
PW's absent, after all. ;-p
07:29:03 ER: tell the council that I need MORE MONEY
07:30:08 ER: wonder if it would be a waste to spend money on spying on ALL the other players.
07:31:07 syv: It'd be a waste to spy on me.
07:31:14 syv: I've been utter crap at keeping secrets. -.-
07:32:30 ER: remember that time you spied on basically everyone at once in a huge
piecewise game
07:33:09 syv: Only about the half the players.
07:33:25 syv: And teeechnically I only really spied on the leaders of two groups.
07:33:40 ER: though I guess its a bit hard to believe that you have secrets worth stealing, as you're not intel.
07:35:19 syv: To be fair, if I hadn't shared the info about units, THAT would be worth stealing.
07:35:45 Devastator: yeah, the unit intel is good stuff.
07:36:07 syv: ...Designs would probably also be worth stealing, if I hadn't just given them all away so far.
07:36:21 syv: Speaking of--
Dev mentioned you have a laser cannon design.
07:37:06 ER: it took me one turn to stick a laser generator in the bed of a truck. yes I have it.
07:37:06 syv:
Dev, if I have the design for a unit, but not the physical unit, can I get its stats?
07:37:19 ER: well, working until a moment ago
07:37:23 Devastator: I'd say no, actually.
07:37:31 Devastator: on paper isn't reality.
07:37:39 Devastator: you can't take that out and test it.
07:37:59 syv: Sigh, it'd be a useful way to see how much one turns' research can improve stats.
07:38:10 ER: well, they cost 75... let's say upcharge 10 for the workshop time if you want to buy one off me
07:38:10 syv: If only you had one to send me to test. -.-
07:38:30 ER: but it might be easier for you to just make your own lasers, as said it only took me a turn
07:38:41 syv: No, laser technical is a bad unit and I'm short on cash.
07:39:02 syv: Hmm. It's also a very short range laser, which is bad.
07:39:43 syv: If you send me one I'll tell you its stats, then send it back to you, how about that deal? :v
07:40:47 ER: you wouldn't respect its glory anyways
07:51:04 ER: that was just a burst of kaijucom activity for a long time there, and now it's ooover
07:52:55 ER: I would have started catgirls THIS turn, but when I went to write them it felt wrong to say "greatly increased speed and strength" and it felt wrong to say "extremely increase speed and strength" with *merely* three muscle samples, so I resolved to acquire more first.
07:53:38 syv: We should have asked
Yotta to work on infantry power armor.
07:53:52 syv: Have it ready to go by the time the catgirls are ready to deploy.
07:55:24 ER:
Devastator. If I first complete nekobutchers requiring 6 muscle samples, then decide I want an upgraded nekobutchers mk2 requiring 6 muscle samples and 1 guts sample, would I need to pay the 6 muscle again to research the MK2 version, or no because that part's already finished?
07:55:52 Devastator: Yeah, you'd need more samples for the new research.
07:56:28 syv:
ER, your should probably make part of the design goal "extremely tough".
07:56:37 ER: hmm, well it's a reason to make my updates substantial. ;P
07:57:14 syv: If you're investing 6 muscle in, I'd say invest 3 guts in too, at the same time.
07:57:32 syv: Make them fucking immortal, because at that cost, you're not making a second one.
07:57:48 syv: Also, let me deploy them, so that my increased recovery chance applies. :|
07:58:02 Devastator: and let
syv score all the points?
07:58:14 syv: All the infantry points, yeah.
07:58:32 Devastator: ..you just want to see the stats on the catgirls, don't you?
07:58:53 syv: I was just about to offer money to use them for one turn, for that purpose.
07:59:01 syv: But no, it was a genuine suggestion.
08:00:11 syv: Infantry, especially super teched power armored supersoldiers, are useful as a defensive unit, so we all benefit from them being available. Ergo, we all *lose* from them dying permanently. And my increased recovery chance will make that less likely.
08:00:23 ER: in that case I need to buy more guts, because I only got 1 from that last fight
08:00:59 syv: If there were a straightforward "you got 10 credits more from the use of catgirls in that fight" then I'd be willing to pay the difference to
ER.
08:01:09 syv: Though considering how high the upkeep on these things is gonna be...
08:01:31 Devastator: what if it's '60 more per month forever?'
08:02:09 syv: Either they never die, so I'm getting the benefit forever, or they die and I stop paying.
08:02:16 ER: I won't let you use my signature superweapon which I've spent half a year on,
syv~
08:02:43 syv: And hey, if they never get targeted, I send them back to
ER.
08:03:01 ER: sides, I can build infantry recovery buildings myself
08:03:26 syv: Uh. No, I'm referring to the military organization benefit, which is strictly mine.
08:03:38 syv: Infantry recovery buildings are a good idea though.
08:04:13 Devastator: not much good for those at home.
08:04:42 Yotta: I could work on power armor.
08:04:52 syv: Ohh, infantry recovery vehicles.
08:05:15 ER: the suit was going to be part of their design anyway, adding mad science armor might not be compatable.
08:05:29 syv: I think power armor is a very good idea and would be willing to offer financial assistance if only I weren't so poor.
08:05:36 Yotta: Was thinking of getting into cybernetic augmentation, but a power armor base to expand upon works fine as well.
08:06:22 syv: Eh? Designing them separately is an overall boost. You work on various other stats with your research, and
Yotta's research is developed alongside, while stacking in the end.
08:06:45 ER: well, it should be flying power armor then
08:07:02 syv: Weren't they just gonna fly by merit of jumping really high? :P
08:07:27 ER: but... grappling hooks are cool! D:
08:08:01 Yotta: But there aren't exactly a lot of locales where grappling is gonna be useful.
08:08:34 ER: if catgirls have 6 or so kaiju muscle worth of strength, does power armor even do anything for them or are we better off with uh, unpower armor
08:08:46 Devastator: Depends on what you design them for.
08:09:20 ER: we're always fighting kaiju, kaiju are big, so grappling hooks are always usable
08:10:41 ER: except with cool spaceage technology and transhumans rather than stupid nerds with renesance tech
08:11:08 syv: Hum. Going on the mechanics of AoTTG, being able to jump over buildings unpowered would actually be immensely synergistic with ODM gear.
08:11:41 ER: yeah so, power armor with grappling hooks
yotta. :P
08:11:55 syv: Magic jews, not nerds. They're actually all unnerdy idiots, even Armin.
08:12:13 Yotta: So long as it's gun-related, I'll build it.
08:12:14 syv: ...Damn, that makes me sound racist, when I was trying to make fun of AoT's racism.
08:12:28 Yotta: Little bit. Did a double take on that line.
08:12:55 Devastator: he did make a fair case to me about it.
08:13:06 Devastator: with the small enclave of the last survivors of a scattered race.
08:13:09 syv: Yeaaah, I'm not antisemitic, but a lot of the stuff in AoT's story, especially later, comes off as *heavily* antisemitic.
08:27:58 ER: do we have a functional anti-kaiju plan at the moment?
08:28:35 Yotta: Shoot it. Then shoot it with toxic bullets.
08:28:55 ER: yeah, but with more not dying please
08:29:08 ER: also, M E L E E W E A P O N S
08:29:24 Yotta: Few other Mad Scientists seems to be building up to building their own Kaiju. Naturegirl's blob monster could work.
08:29:59 ER: I may be a Dex build IRL, but I still play Str builds in games! :V
08:30:02 syv: My plan right now is to sit back and watch before a plan is more substantially formed.
08:30:36 ER: the blob waits for its chance
08:31:29 syv: I'm currently prioritizing troop transport research, though the jet fighter opportunity kinda stole my time lately.
08:32:08 ER: oh yeah, I'm currently looking into The Hand's "plan", hopefully have information on that soon
08:32:21 syv: Troop transport is guaranteed useful, but the optimal offensive units are unknown, so I want to see more of what works before committing.
08:33:03 ER: Still willing to go take their lunch money when we get a quiet month
08:34:22 ER: hmm, maybe should look into what they're armed with so far.
08:34:57 ER: a terrifying mad science infantry weapon was just lost, but not confirmed destroyed.
08:35:39 ER: I wouldn't put it past that thing to find its way into their hands and surprise roflstomp us
08:35:54 syv: At least planes are probably immune to that thing.
08:36:11 syv: God, I'm gonna need to mod my transports into AC130s.
08:36:53 syv: If we're not just fighting Kaiju, but humans too, then jets and infantry will be insufficient.
08:36:55 Devastator: you want them to enter close range?
08:37:06 ER: and this is why we put multi-revision MS weapons on things tougher than default infantry ;D
08:38:32 syv: Close range? AC130s are close range?
08:38:41 syv: They put friggin howitzers in those things
08:40:32 Devastator: A missile launcher would certainly outrange one.
08:40:37 ER: ...wonder if I should mention that to Irony
08:40:42 Devastator: you guys could just buy an AC130 if you want one, btw.
08:41:48 Devastator: they're pretty old, yeah.
08:42:22 syv: Yeah. I'm curious how you'd price and stat one?
08:45:00 Devastator: Yeah, pretty much an arty plane.
08:54:04 syv: He literally just gave me stats for a transport plane that has an artillery gun mounted in it, in trade for transport capacity. 225 cost, which is just transport + arty + 25.
08:54:46 ER: for whatever reason, I just finally read that horrible self insert fanfic that irony wrote a year ago
08:55:17 ER: then I felt the need to share this profound expereince
08:57:19 ER: pretty sure I sent it to you, but honestly not important
08:57:57 ER: I hadn't bothered reading it till now, which tunrs out be yeah, fair.
08:58:32 ER: pretty sure it has no title, but it's about Ironia.
08:58:53 syv: ...Pretty sure I haven't read this.
08:59:42 ER: then ask IO about ironia, then. Who knows, maybe he's contenued it by now
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22:11:52 IronyOwl: so I probably shouldn't sell us out like this
22:12:23 IronyOwl: but it occurs to me that instead of minimum bids,
dev should probably just randomly generate an NPC bid
22:12:40 IronyOwl: to (usually) avoid things like paying 1 credit for something or players hashing out who gets it for the min bid
22:13:54 er: Irony I finally read that story you pmed to me on discord almost exactly a year ago.
22:14:54 er: I was going to pm you something but I didn't want to sully the purity of that pm thread.
22:15:20 er: So here's the other thing to tell you
22:16:10 er: Your prion gun disappeared, its unit destroyed, but the weapon itself was not confirmed destroyed.
22:16:42 IronyOwl:
dev told me in PMs that it was squished... though then he said it wasn't THAT squished... but then I asked and he said it was gone
22:16:53 er: I know of an npc faction whose goals include getting experimental or kaiju-based weaponry to overthrow governments.
22:17:13 IronyOwl: HAHAHAHA, that's great
22:17:24 IronyOwl: I assume there's a good chance they now have it?
22:17:44 er: I can't connect these two facts with concrete evidence, but Murphy's law.
22:18:15 IronyOwl: well thanks for letting me know, this is going to result in some VERY awkward questions later on down the line
22:18:44 IronyOwl: questions which Happytime Atrocities Inc. is going to use its rampant political questions to politely avoid answering
22:18:53 IronyOwl: *rampant political connections
22:23:03 er: Well, have fun interacting with whatever the politics system is.
22:24:11 er: I'll just be interacting with my own unique game system, skulking in the shadows.
22:25:05 IronyOwl: so far I think it just gives me extra cash, nobody's tried to call in favors or anything yet
22:25:15 IronyOwl: or you know, gives me extra favor which gives me extra cash
22:25:55 IronyOwl: ...I just realized that NPC faction might be pretty interested in sabotaging a bootlicker org such as myself
22:27:47 er: Don't worry, me and those uscci jarheads are going to call them nerds and take their lunch money.
22:30:28 er: Also, does the ironia story continue past the point you sent me? :v
22:30:56 IronyOwl: only wrote it to piss off caellath into writing his own webnovel
22:31:13 IronyOwl: (which he never did, so I guess a sequel is warranted)
22:34:40 er: Now with more minotaur dick
22:36:01 IronyOwl: neither me nor ironia thought we could fit anymore in, but here we are
22:39:16 er: The wonders of modern science, I guess?
22:41:09 er: Clearly we need to get our mad science friends to make minutaurs.
22:47:49 IronyOwl: I think Bill would just molest both women and cows before calling it a day
22:49:17 er: He needs to be working on the wasp birther anyway
22:54:06 IronyOwl: should we really have 2/5 mad scientists working on BEEEEEEEEEEES?
22:56:09 er: They're mad scientists, what else are they gonna work on?
22:59:15 IronyOwl: speaking of which, what do you think of that sub?
23:00:23 er: Probably worth, assuming it doesn't need transport?
23:00:50 IronyOwl: but you'd need to research and then build a huge hangar
23:01:07 er: Being huge, might make a good base for mad science.
23:01:50 IronyOwl: but now we're talking a huge workshop to mess with it, a huge hangar if you want to store it cheaply, and a huge lab to actually study or reverse engineer the thing
23:02:04 er: Could put sensors on it and use it to pinpoint kaiju locations.
23:02:20 IronyOwl: hm, would that help though?
23:02:46 IronyOwl: we already know the rough location a month in advance, and their precise location early enough to get there by plane
23:03:05 er: Might be a better idea to give it utility than to make it fight, seeing as it would likely have to fight alone.
23:03:29 IronyOwl: could probably fit it with missiles and let it fight after the kaiju gets onto land
23:03:59 IronyOwl: though now I'm curious how kaiju respond to fleeing foes
23:04:24 IronyOwl: if it torpedoes the kaiju and runs for it, does the kaiju follow it on a merry chase, or give up and get back to wrecking cities?
23:04:38 er: Well, if somebody wants to get into sea combat, could build warships with depth charges to soften it up before landfall.
23:04:55 IronyOwl: I assume it'd surface and attack the ships, though
23:05:18 IronyOwl: although... the kaiju haven't looked particularly swim-worthy, have they?
23:05:27 IronyOwl: maybe they're walking along the bottom rather than swimming
23:05:47 IronyOwl: I guess having several hundred feet of water between you and the death lasers could be beneficial
23:07:15 er: Also, taking the fight I to the water reduces collateral damage.
23:07:36 IronyOwl: hm, recovery might be a pain though
23:29:50 Piecewise: what are you doing here
23:32:28 IronyOwl: selling us all out to
dev
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23:39:32 Yotta: Okay, so my connection drop for a couple of seconds, but Yeeta didn't get
disconnected.
23:39:47 Yotta: And I can't log back on as Yeeta.
23:40:23 Yotta: So there might be a slight chance that my alt, Yeetawhat has obtained sentience.
23:41:29 IronyOwl: well if it has it's escaped now
23:56:55 Piecewise: how do I create an infinite secret...
23:58:43 Yotta: Destroy all evidence of a secret. Have the secret forever be a secret.
23:58:43 Piecewise: A secret that can be infinitely unfolded, aspects solved but never solved as a whole
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