00:00:45 Devastator: You know my feelings about exploration in games.
00:01:25 Devastator: If you truly don't want something, or are going to disapprove of it, it should be absent. It's only proper to want to try everything available.
00:02:34 Devastator: so.. do what you like or don't do what you like, that's fine.
00:02:59 ER: it's a big enough game that it's really impossible for me to do everything. :P
00:03:55 Devastator: I totally would fuck FUCK THE WORLD guy though. ;-p
00:06:10 Devastator: this vending machine thing is unusually good.
00:06:27 Devastator: the translation is decent and the plot is non-standard. A lot of slice of life stuff, with short arcs.
00:06:55 Devastator: I'm sure there will be a plot coming up, but it's in digestable pieces.. there's no hurry.
00:07:33 Devastator: It's also written by someone who did a reasonable job of world-building, which isn't common.
00:08:31 Devastator: If it continues to improve I might link it around.
00:08:38 Devastator: not at that level yet, though.
00:09:32 Devastator: although, to be honest, I doubt you'd have problems finding it.
02:27:11 ER: great great toad, mend my ailing forums
02:29:12 Devastator: With the power of the mighty guitar.
02:43:38 Devastator: yeah, forums are back up.
02:46:26 Devastator: “It seems like the cause of death was being stabbed in the chest a number of times by the handle of a paint brush. There’s almost no doubt it was a suicide."
02:49:03 Devastator: I'm amused at the shenanigans.
02:49:17 ER: you know, like the two shots to the back of the head suicides
02:53:09 Devastator: That didn't take long for the forums to fill back up.
02:53:46 Devastator: and
PW didn't magically post during an outage this time.
02:53:53 Devastator: I still have no idea how he managed that.
02:55:17 Devastator: I'm sure it's possible, I'm just being dumb.
03:07:41 ER: you don't mind if I recruit more players for k-com, right? :P
03:10:01 Devastator: It's still pretty full.
03:10:07 Devastator: maybe after the next battle I'll take one in.
03:10:28 Devastator: could use one more mad scientist to keep the numbers even.
03:56:22 ER: can I have a recruitment bonus? :3
04:06:15 ER: hmm, I guess I'm not asleep
04:15:49 Devastator: yotta wants to join?
04:16:11 Devastator: can you send Yotta on here?
04:18:07 Devastator: not to my knowledge.
04:18:33 Devastator: Just want to say a few words before saying yes.
04:18:42 Devastator: otherwise, I can take on another mad scientist after the battle.
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04:20:16 Devastator: interested in Kaiju-com?
04:20:37 Yotta: A bit, reminds me of an old forum game I participated in.
04:21:04 ER: hmm, were you in build a supersoldier?
04:21:06 Devastator checks if you were in Kaiju-com
04:22:02 ER: one day I did an experiment, the blacked out and woke up in the dark, missing an arm, surrounded by people who had killed themselves
04:22:23 Devastator: well, I can take you on next turn as a mad scientist, or I'll let you join as an org, because you were nice enough to come on here.
04:23:13 Yotta: Hm, what's the difference between being a mad scientist and being a slightly less mad scientist for a org?
04:23:21 Devastator: Very different games.
04:23:42 Devastator: mad scientists have project limits and don't normally pay upkeep. They also research in a different manner.
04:24:14 Devastator: orgs have to deal with the council as a funding source, and can raise armies of multiple units. They also do research, but it's a lot slower.
04:24:33 Devastator: Orgs are.. well, the base game. Mad scientists are a necessary adjunct.
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04:27:12 Devastator: in general, MSes don't need to do very long turns, because you're really only doing one thing per turn.
04:27:27 Devastator: but for Orgs you will be managing a bunch of stuff and doing multiple things.
04:27:52 Yotta: Hm. What's the group that is in the most need of new blood/easiest for you to GM.
04:28:11 syv: Orgs: You're playing XCom, but without control over the tactical game. Mad Scientists: You're playing tinker lite.
04:28:50 Devastator: I'm one short on mad scientists, but I'm a little worried about the orgs not spreading the money around enough.
04:29:04 Devastator: so I'd probably prefer an extra mad scientist.
04:29:26 syv: Also! Mad scientists are definitely simpler to GM.
04:29:35 Devastator: well, until they start DOING things.
04:29:41 Devastator: or buying stuff to work off of.
04:29:55 Devastator: and interpreting naturegirl is something.
04:29:59 syv: Can MS even deploy units without a supporting org?
04:30:25 syv: The great thing about interpreting NG is that even *she* doesn't know what she's trying to do, so you can't actually fail.
04:30:26 Yotta: Neato, was kinda planning on trying Mad Scientist as well. Gonna read up on the turns and then post my character sheet.
04:30:28 ER: yeah, have to pay upkeep though. So EFFECTIVELY, no :P
04:30:43 Devastator: MS can deploy units, no problem.
04:30:46 ER: because you don't make your own upkeep worth in income each turn!
04:30:51 Devastator: just requres upkeep.
04:31:41 ER: orgs make big bucks, so if we make little donations to you, you can deploy your units.
04:31:43 Devastator: you guys do need them to accelerate your own research.
04:32:02 Devastator: they are more erratic, but a lot faster.
04:32:32 ER: wait, maybe I should just put MSes into contact with The Hand, so that they can make their own money by selling expierimental weapon to terrorist!
04:33:12 ER: seems efficiant to me. let the free market speak!
04:34:07 syv: Hey,
Dev. Did I ever get to see the stats on the prion launcher, or did that fall through because Dubs is AWOL?
04:34:16 Devastator: Dubs sent it to Irony, not you.
04:34:24 Devastator: so.. you don't get to see the stats, since you don't have it.
04:34:51 Devastator: If you're going to try a quick shuffle this turn, say so, and suffer the consequences of moving mad science around without a mad science.
04:34:56 syv: Yeah. And he did that 'cause he hasn't even looked at the thread since the agreement was made. Makes no difference to him after all.
04:35:34 Devastator: Cly he only sold to someone who appreciated protein-based warfare.
04:35:38 ER: more like you going awol here
syv~
04:36:40 syv: Considering I've posted much more in that thread since his last post, no.
04:37:18 Devastator:
PW's been in the desert.
04:38:02 syv: And again; I didn't pay him for it because he wouldn't answer me about what the hell it was. I very well would have if he had responded or communicated at all beyond yelling at me to buy it without providing any reason *why* I should buy it.
04:39:21 Devastator: there will be more mad science to buy.
04:39:24 Devastator: it isn't just
PW's weapon.
04:39:38 syv: Yeah, I'm not complaining, I'm pretty happy with how things are going.
04:40:01 syv: I was just asking because I genuinely wasn't sure whether you forgot or chose not to because
PW hasn' posted.
04:40:42 Devastator: Went with the bold text from
PW.
04:41:02 Devastator: plus it's a risk moving MS devices around without a MS.
04:41:10 Devastator: defaulting to the dangerous behavior would be bad.
04:41:43 syv: Well, no, because that's not a danger involving Dubs, and both of the people who *were* involved with that danger had already agreed to it.
04:42:12 Devastator: well, the two of you can shuffle it around now.
04:42:34 Devastator: I'll do it right now, but Irony's orders are to equip the launcher to the infantry.
04:42:46 Devastator: not shuffle it through you first.
04:42:59 Devastator: well, if you can ask Irony, I'll go roll for disasters right now.
04:43:14 ER: should I just invite him in here?
04:43:15 syv: From what I recall of your rulings we can't shuffle it and still allow him to use it.
04:43:25 syv: Which is core to the plan.
04:47:08 Devastator: yeah, it's a bit much to be packaged, sent, tested, packaged, sent arrives, equipped, and deployed in one turn.
04:47:28 Devastator: sure I said instant, but I mostly meant that for non mad science stuff.
04:49:09 syv: I'm pretty sure you haven't ever actually said that someone can send me an item, give me stats on it, then receive the item back from me and equip it, all in one phase... except just now, when I corrected you.
04:49:41 Devastator: tbh, I wasn't going to not allow it.
04:49:45 Devastator: but it does seem like a lot.
04:50:26 Devastator: anyway, it'll be a while for the next turn.
04:50:45 Devastator: so there should be time to fix that.
04:52:15 Devastator: I mean, there's a battle, and I want to make sure you guys can chat.
04:58:15 Devastator: so if you want to try it, go for it.
05:19:06 Yotta: I know MS needs to take a turn in order to give an org their project, but what's the limit on the number of projects that can be traded? I'm interested in going for a cheapo, mass unit projects but I want to know if that's feasible first.
05:19:41 Devastator: I'd let you move multiple to the same organization at once.
05:19:51 Devastator: like deployment. As many as you want, so long as you bring them together.
05:20:00 syv: Though you need to store each individual thing in a lab.
05:20:05 Devastator: That said, you need to stick them in lab zones.
05:20:25 syv: Notably, upkeep for MS is monthly, but is charged if you go out on either of your two monthly actions.
05:20:39 Devastator: if you do one, there's no downside to going out on the other.
05:20:58 syv: So it costs the same amount whether you deliver to one org or two, aside from spending both turns delivering rather than doing mad science.
05:21:37 syv: Also, you can basically freely use the second turn for mad science at an org's base, potentially using a better lab... though it's prolly worse since you're without MS machines, and can only spend the one turn on it.
05:21:37 Yotta: Okay, was thinking about getting into stimulant production. Pumping out drugs that improve combat effectiveness and reaction time.
05:21:48 syv: I'd still pay for that given specific projects.
05:22:15 Devastator: sounds like an ok project, but it might not be the best idea to make one-shot consumable items.
05:22:21 syv:
ER's probably interested in that, he's been planning on using catgirl infantry, I think.
05:22:33 Devastator: that said, I don't know what is ideal or not, so I'd like to see a variety.
05:22:38 Devastator: it's perfectly workable.
05:22:52 syv: Also, yeah, might want to make some kind of organism that produces the stims, so they're a permanent upgrade.
05:23:12 ER: performance enhancing hallucinagens
05:23:41 Yotta: Hm, would creating something like a factory line for stimulant production be okay, or is that more of an org thing that a Mad Science thing?
05:23:42 syv: ...Hey
Dev? Would giving mad science meth to fighter pilots improve their combat ability?
05:25:09 Yotta: A building that subsidizes the cost of producing a consumable so it can be given out more readily.
05:25:09 Devastator: It'd be better if you put that in the design when you make it.
05:25:23 Yotta: So meth lab is a go then.
05:25:30 Devastator: You can make buildings that contain mad science, yes.
05:25:50 Devastator: just no research enhancers.
05:26:11 Yotta: Obviously. That's just asking to spiral out of control.
05:26:23 Devastator: I've been wondering when someone made that suggestion.
05:26:28 ER: oh yeah, high energy labs exist
05:26:29 Devastator: someone would make that suggestion.
05:26:54 Devastator: "Can I research a building that just makes shit?"
05:27:54 ER: can I make a building which makes a random item each turn? Kappa
05:29:19 Devastator: no, sadly, birdgame is dead.
05:29:28 Devastator: although I am kinda dissapoint.
05:34:39 Devastator: build a supersoldier was a good idea.
05:34:47 Devastator: shame I was in like 8 games at the time and skipped it.
05:35:22 ER: yeah, someone should do that again
05:35:22 Yotta: I was one of the mooks in that.
05:35:38 Devastator: dunno if you wanted me in it.
05:35:38 Yotta: Was also the first to die as well.
05:35:43 ER: probably the bastard who killed my mook~
05:36:25 ER: I had a doom device which worked on human brains and everyone did computer uploads >:|
05:36:46 Yotta: My most impressive accomplishment was detonating my nuclear reactor and annihilating a chunk of the map.
05:37:31 Devastator: Best thing Aoshi ever ran.
05:37:50 Devastator: small enough scale to be runnable while good for the madness.
05:45:55 syv: Looks like the result of some kind of obsessive disorder.
05:46:07 syv: Maybe an electrical socket fetish.
05:47:34 ER: people who are still alive at this point, maybe not
05:53:19 Devastator:
syv: "I wish I could buy powerups with money."
05:53:20 syv: Safe sex with an electrical socket is possible, of course. You just need a rubber.
05:53:45 ER: nah,
dev wants to wish that
05:53:56 ER: when he finds another impessionable ward
05:54:17 ER: we don't get wishes in Kcom :(
05:54:55 syv: You just need to have an MS research wishes first.
05:55:32 Devastator: I'm still hoping for someone to try and research the supernatural.
05:55:56 Devastator: I think it'll come eventually.
05:56:09 syv: Dubs made an effective prion thrower. That's straight up magic.
05:56:53 ER: yeah, might go for a magic system
05:57:01 Devastator: but more stuff like some of the ideas I heard, such as trying to contact extradimensional entities to trade souls or such.
05:57:07 ER: just have straight up mages with spellbooks
05:58:42 syv: Now mad scientists can get their own funding.
05:58:54 syv: An MS should research a workshop that prints money.
05:59:03 ER: they already can if I put them in contact with Hand tho
05:59:25 syv: That's really more like involuntary trading with orgs.
05:59:38 Piecewise: I get away with anything!
06:00:10 ER: just make simple weapons every turn and sell em to terrorists, ez money
06:00:26 Piecewise: I wonder if I can use tachyons
06:00:34 Devastator: There are absolutely no downsides to that action,
ER.
06:00:37 Devastator: and I'm totally not lying.
06:00:46 Devastator: you mean like in Noita?
06:00:56 syv: Hey Dubs. Are you against sending me that prion launcher so I can get its stats, then send it on to Irony?
06:01:09 syv: Also, do you want to come make a plane in *my* lab?
06:01:47 Piecewise: I'm not against it, but I thought the turn processed?
06:02:20 syv: It did, but I wanted to know so I had actual ground to stand on while glaring at
Dev.
06:02:21 Piecewise: Also, I don't care where I am or whats going on. I simply desire to science
06:02:24 Devastator: action turn hadn't.
06:02:51 Piecewise: I will hack the noosphere
06:03:29 Piecewise: I will throw our enemies into the sea of Dirac
06:04:02 ER: hack the internet which is secretly an elder god's brain
06:04:14 Piecewise: Lets all get high on luminiferous Ether
06:05:14 syv: Haven't actually found that one yet.
06:05:34 syv: I found the detached heads though. They killed me with frenzy, then I went to sleep.
06:05:43 ER: "I'm an egg! Am I going to become a robin?"
06:06:06 Piecewise: Do you hear...the sound...of water?
06:06:15 syv: I thought it was "I'm a robin, when am I going to curl up and become an egg?"
06:06:48 syv: Yeah, recall reading about it. It's an obtuse way to say that he's evolved and wants to undo that.
06:06:55 syv: Which is understandable, considering.
06:07:27 syv: I should just suicide to those guys a few times, see if the insides of their heads start glowing.
06:08:08 syv: "Hey, I want to know if you have eyes, so I'm just gonna stab myself in the gut a few times to check, kay?"
06:08:09 Yotta: Oh
Sy, post your action to the graveyard murder party.
06:08:22 syv: Neh, not really interested in that game anymore.
06:08:30 syv: Too minimalist for my taste.
06:08:46 Yotta: Can I have your body though? I'm starting a collection.
06:08:51 syv: We separated anyway, your char is in a different room.
06:08:55 ER: it's not like TH meaningfully has more mechanics at this point~
06:09:08 ER: you're totally in the same spot
06:09:24 Yotta: Yee, we followed you down the hole.
06:09:57 syv: Mm? The end of my turn says that I specifically don't notice the hole that
Yotta's char goes down.
06:10:10 syv: That'd imply that I am not, in fact, in that hole.
06:10:25 ER: not noticing the hole helps me shove you down it
06:11:00 syv: Ahh, I see. Having my charzcter change location in someone else's action, okay.
06:11:06 ER: not gonna bother writing complete perspectives
06:11:06 syv: Yeah, even less interested now.
06:11:26 syv: Do I need to formally post that I'm out?
06:11:46 ER: you can get damaged in other people's turns, it's logical
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06:18:39 ER: should I pester you to read unsounded again?
06:19:45 syv: I'll vouch for it being exceptionally good.
06:20:11 Yotta: Heard of it, read a bit of the first chapter years ago.
06:20:27 Yotta: Yee, sure. I could use some more reading material.
06:22:15 syv: ABG is substantially worse in every aspect, read Unsounded first.
06:22:55 ER: yes, me and
syv will vouch for unsounded, while
Dev vouches for ABG
06:24:09 syv: You're not a goblin at all.
06:24:16 Devastator: Unsounded is far longer.
06:24:26 ER: to these discord folks, at least
06:24:39 Devastator: that's two ways ABG is better.
06:24:59 Yotta: Not really a story, but pretty much anything Flork puts out is great.
06:25:17 Yotta: I felt far too much emotion after reading the tago saga.
06:59:01 Devastator: that comes close to working.
07:09:24 Devastator: I remember Spaz's issues with a 300kg cyborg on normal strength feet.
07:14:58 Devastator: yeah, another reason not to have played that, everyone aimed way higher than I would have.
07:15:57 ER: build a nice little intermediate calibre rifle for your man. Maybe a bullpup, if you're feeling *freaky*
07:17:41 Devastator: I would have went a little above that.
07:17:46 syv: Hmm? Guns, now? What's this?
07:17:58 Devastator: roll to supersoldier.
07:18:12 ER: now I want to see what
syv would end up making
07:19:32 syv: Meh. 12.7x55mm with a variety of loads. Maybe if I was feeling crazy I'd give it multiple mags that feed into one chamber, with each mag loaded with alternating bullets of a few different types. High RoF, at least one of the things you're shooting will be effective.
07:21:21 ER: sounds like you'll have to develop anti-ghost bullets
07:21:28 Devastator: "
ER missed creating illusiory cognitohazards."
07:21:31 Devastator: Yeah, that's a whiff.
07:21:51 Devastator: dammit about sums that one up.
07:23:09 syv: Just make the bullets out of silver, that works against all supernatural things. Decent mass, too.
07:23:19 syv: Yeah, that wouldn't actually be the worst.
07:24:03 Devastator: lots and lots of glue.
07:24:15 ER: if I ever attempt to make a supersoldier building game with consistant metaphysics, silver won't be the key to everything :P
07:24:30 syv: 12.7x55 doesn't have enough capacity for enough glue. Hell, not even 12.7x99 has enough.
07:24:44 Devastator: It wouldn't be a handheld gun.
07:25:03 Devastator: supersoldier would be in a tank or a plane or something kilometers away.
07:25:08 ER: so that it spreads itself out!
07:25:08 syv: Also, that reminds me. I found the gatling gun in BB.
07:25:24 Devastator: or maybe go with the spring cryo rounds I would have used in
ER.
07:25:40 syv: Was playing a skill/arcane char, but that single item alone forced my hand, and now it's a skill/strength/arcane char.
07:26:35 ER: leave it to
syv to play a filthy dex build
07:26:47 Devastator: if it sucks, why'd you use it?
07:27:04 Devastator: stabby complains about dex builds?
07:27:10 syv: Because it's a FUCKING HANDHELD GATLING GUN.
07:27:17 syv: It doesn't need to be practical.
07:27:49 ER: I mean, I'm a dex build IRL, but I can still complain! :V
07:28:12 syv: It actually is somewhat useful for stunlocking under certain circumstances, but sadly can't parry, and doesn't do enough damage to really be useful on its own.
07:28:35 ER: maybe dex / wisdom or dex / charisma, not that I'd be able to tell if I'm bad at those things
07:28:59 syv: Skill/bloodtinge, clearly.
07:29:31 ER: dunno, never tested how tangy my blood is.
07:29:46 ER: bloodtinge is gun *power*, not accuracy
07:30:15 syv: Everyone knows that shot placement is most important to how much damage bullets do.
07:30:29 ER: I'm not a bloodtinge build because bloodtinge isn't relevant in our universe
07:30:46 syv: Why do you assume that your build is relevant?
07:30:48 ER: because our guns aren't blood powered
07:31:12 ER: then why would you assume I'm a bloodtinge build?
07:31:23 ER: it would be impossible to test
07:35:45 syv: Could just taste your blood, you're right, that might prove it one way or the other.
07:35:59 syv: You've got quite a lot of it just sitting there, might as well.
07:36:04 ER: pretty sure it tastes normal
07:37:30 syv: Have you tried it, though?
07:38:15 ER: also, I don't want to spill my blood
07:39:48 syv: You have teeth for a reason!
07:40:23 ER: they're not very sharp anyways
07:40:38 ER: I'm sure if I had high bloodtinge my teeth would be sharp
07:53:48 syv: Steam changed its visuals again. That's annoying.
07:54:16 Devastator: what are you going to do?
07:54:56 ER: send a strongly worded letter, with lots of emojis
07:55:20 syv: Rehide all the stuff that I don't care about and just ignore the change.
07:55:46 syv: Can probably go back to old with a special batch startup, like with the friendslist change, but eh. I don't really care that much.
07:56:07 ER: can't hide the fucking "what's new" thing though
07:56:32 ER: which always starts at the top and contains no information I remotely care about
07:56:57 syv: Huh. You mean the popup that appears when you first open steam?
07:57:00 ER: sad, I used to have it set up nice
07:59:06 syv: "Takedown: Red Sabre Dedicated Server"
07:59:22 syv: Pity that couldn't just die.
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08:02:18 Devastator: I think he auto logged in and isn't actually here.
08:02:49 syv: He also logged in to Steam at the same time.
08:21:30 ER: ...god, gamzee's speech is hard to read
08:23:26 Devastator: words words words words words words
08:23:56 ER: "So HoW cAn I fUlL aNd TrUlY fUcKiN gEt BlAmEd On FoR, wHeN iT cOmEs To A lITtLe BiT oF sUbJuGgLaTiOn I gOt CuLtUrAlLy HoRnSwOgGlEd Up To DoInG, aNd AlSo TrAgIcAlLy GoAt AbUsEd WhIcH nEeDs To MaKe YoU sHeD a TeAr FoR tHiS mOtHeRfUcKeR, lEsT yOu WaNnA bE aS aTrOcIoUs As Me."
08:24:21 ER: words typed like THAT is another
08:26:57 syv: Huh. So that's what Gamzee is?
08:27:18 Devastator: not unique in having shitty text mechanics.
08:51:57 Devastator: clown as in bad at it.
08:52:05 Devastator: gamzee is a troll that is bad at trolling.
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17:56:50 Piecewise: gonna go do some stuff for a bit, hang out with my sister before she leaves
21:08:42 Piecewise: lost a day because of the down time
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