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01:12:39 Devastator: I shoulda ran THAT rtd.
01:14:36 Devastator: or that sort of thing.
01:17:29 MidJag: How does the game even work?
01:18:49 Devastator: but I'd mostly just rip out the themeing elements of it and simplify.
02:20:20 Devastator: admittedly that was a very competent hero in melee, but, yeah.
02:34:40 Devastator: it seems the evil nation's generals with unique sprites are uncapturable.
02:36:19 Devastator: their other ones are, though!
02:36:27 Devastator: not going to win much with 2 guys.
02:37:13 Devastator: beastmen are fucking hell in duels.
02:42:05 Devastator: still waiting for one about how total internal reflection is a lie.
02:47:21 Piecewise: There are so many fun conspiracy theories I've heard
02:47:36 Piecewise: I remember one guy who said that gravity was caused by sin
02:47:53 Piecewise: and the reason jesus walked on water and ascended to heaven is that he was sinless
02:48:04 Piecewise: see, how can you argue with that logic?
02:49:18 Devastator: Alcohol is less dense than water.
02:50:06 Piecewise: something something water to wine something something
02:51:20 Devastator: Telling an untruth that would fit with that world, and then finding it false might count.
02:56:04 MidJag: I know a guy who legitmetlly belives 80% of everything Alex Jones says.
02:57:28 Devastator: anything in particular that you'd like an argument against?
02:58:02 MidJag: Not really, it's just generally entertaining listening to him.
02:59:58 MidJag: Though he also belives that global warming is a myth spread as a method of virtue signaling.
03:00:30 Devastator: ask him why it's been twenty years since I've had a day of -40 weather, then.
03:00:39 Devastator: when there was a week of it every year when I was a kid.
03:01:19 MidJag: -40C sounds horrible I have to say.
03:01:40 Devastator: It's pretty serious.
03:02:35 MidJag: Do you even go outside then? Or is like everything closed?
03:07:13 Devastator: Not if you don't have to, but yeah.
03:08:30 MidJag: Do people like drive around and stuff? Or is everyone just kinda like hunkered down in their house?
03:09:20 Devastator: Need a block heater to expect your car to start, though.
03:11:43 MidJag: huh, I don't think I've ever used or seen one in use before.
03:13:39 Devastator: doubt they're much use down there.
03:13:45 Devastator: although, truth is, I haven't needed one for some time.
03:14:37 MidJag: I think if Alabama ever got cold enough to the point a block heater was declared the entrie state would just collectivlly decide to just end it's exsistance.
03:16:12 MidJag: We once had a state of emergency for a week because it snowed an inch in some places and half an inch in another and didn't immedietlly melt
03:19:09 Piecewise: it was cold out today so
03:19:18 Piecewise: global warming disproven
03:19:35 Devastator: does that work both ways?
03:19:55 MidJag: How is living in a desert dubs?
03:21:35 Piecewise: We had snow this winter
03:21:55 Piecewise: No one left their house!
03:22:00 Piecewise: We have no systems to deal with it
03:22:14 Piecewise: and the roads were basically airhockey tables
03:22:58 Piecewise: But I've lived in the desert my whole life
03:23:04 Piecewise: its why I'm so well preserved
03:23:23 Devastator: and drive with care.
03:23:37 Piecewise: My school is 30 miles away
03:23:43 Devastator: Then drive with care.
03:23:53 Piecewise: it would take 4 hours by bus to get there
03:24:07 Piecewise: I know I would probably be fine
03:24:29 Piecewise: Its the assholes who decide to go 90 on black ice and zip zoop into me that I don't like
03:24:57 Devastator: attrition usually takes care of them pretty quick.
03:25:08 MidJag: Man this entire IRC chat lives in very different enviorments.
ER lives in the mountains,
syv lives in a swamp, dubs lives in a desert,
dev lives in a frozen wasteland~, and I live a in generic southern area.
03:25:36 Piecewise: Everything that lives with me is sharp and poisonous!
03:25:42 Devastator: All you guys live in the south.
03:25:44 Piecewise: the sun is a deadly laser!
03:25:48 Devastator:
ER's not from the mountains.
03:25:52 Devastator: those are wussy mountains.
03:26:02 Piecewise: Everyone is in the south to you,
dev
03:26:20 MidJag: The god damn north pole would somehow be to south for you
dev.
03:26:32 Piecewise: At least we ain't socialists
03:28:22 Piecewise: Attempting to learn hand chipping techniques
03:28:35 Piecewise: So many goddamn little things
03:31:12 Piecewise: Painting paint chipping
03:32:46 Piecewise: more difficult than you'd think, at least to make it look good
03:33:01 Piecewise: balance of intent and randomness
03:36:03 Piecewise: Also been thinking about how to make a STALKER style game in PBP style.
03:37:01 Piecewise: Thinking the only way to really do it in a way that isn't super fugging slow is a sort of management sim
03:37:03 MidJag: That sounds like doing it through like perplexicon but with items?
03:38:52 MidJag: Or like when you say stalker are you talking about like obtaining the weird items? or just wandering around in a bizzare insane russian world fillied with shit that doens't make sense
03:39:23 Piecewise: STALKER but more in the vein of the original book
03:40:19 Piecewise: I actually wrote out a system a while back
03:40:34 Piecewise: but I think it would take too long on an individual basis...
03:52:49 Devastator: "It doesn't matter if any of these guys gets away, because they'll either be between us and us or us and topaz.
03:54:59 Devastator: .wow, that half-dragon mage general is absurd.
03:56:04 Devastator: "I can resurrect half my army for 1 HP, and have dragon units."
03:56:19 Devastator: "Yes, that applies EVEN IF I DIDN'T HAVE ANY DRAGONS.'
03:56:47 MidJag: This game seems poorly balanced
dev
03:57:36 Devastator: There's only one of her around, and she only works for one of the factions.
04:01:09 Devastator: being nigh-undefeatable in duels is also nice.
04:03:27 MidJag: Oh yeah you seen the most recent AH
dev?
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04:09:24 syv: Roadside Picnic--the STALKER novel--is really good and again I'm gonna recommend that people read it.
04:09:34 syv: Also,
Dev, it takes place in Canada.
04:10:07 syv: A Canada that's practically indistinguishable from the Soviet Union, but a Canada all the same.
04:10:14 MidJag: I have actually read that book
04:10:28 Devastator: then it's not canada.
04:11:10 syv: Good for
MJ, who has read it.
04:11:47 syv: As for you, I was making a joke. The country it takes place in doesn't matter at all, beyond it being somewhat cold and remote.
04:11:58 syv: It's just a very good book.
04:11:59 MidJag: I think it does actually take place in
04:12:25 MidJag: It's just a very cold slavic canadad
04:13:38 syv: Is it slavic? I know that the one pub being called "The Borsht" is Russian, but I figured that was justifiable as the pub being run by a Russian guy.
04:14:28 syv: Oh, wait, no. There's also the Russian scientist named Kirill. Probably a couple other bits that I've forgotten since the last time I read it, I suppose.
04:14:43 MidJag: As I recall there's a lot of Russian names.
04:15:16 MidJag: It has been like 4 years since I read that book though.
04:15:26 syv: Well, it's still a good book, even if it takes place in a very soviet Canada.
04:16:23 MidJag: Just pretend it's Canada as hardcore conservative American politicans presetned it as in 60's and 70's.
04:17:35 syv: ...Huh? Was Canada considered red in the 60s?
04:19:18 MidJag: I think it was considered red by extremlly conservative politicans in the South yes.
04:19:23 MidJag: At least in some areas.
04:20:06 Devastator: pretty much every time since then, eyah.
04:21:01 MidJag: I know people who consider Califronia and New York to be borderline communists so yeah, I would expect they would consider canada red.
04:22:36 syv: I mean red in the sense of soviet, not red in the sense of communist.
04:22:56 syv: I know our political red considers most of the world communist, yeah.
04:28:08 Devastator: They should flip colours like they used to.
04:29:26 syv: They should change to orange now, I think.
04:29:38 Devastator: it used to alternate.
04:30:40 Piecewise: I wish STALKER was like roadside picnic but I understand why its not
04:31:04 Piecewise: Roadside picnic is infinitely more bullshit, dangerous, and probably tedious
04:31:24 Piecewise: touch invisible thing? die
04:31:35 Piecewise: yeah, specifically say guns are useless in the zone
04:34:54 syv: STALKER does at least justify the difference.
04:35:16 syv: STALKER zone is much larger, much less dangerous, and has much more mundane danger.
04:41:21 syv: Oh,
Piecewise, a random thought I had while reading that doc. You could have food/supplies be spendable to improve a check, like with the example of using a flashlight. Having a ton of little items that provide small bonuses seems like unnecessary work, so you could just tie in the supply mechanic, which otherwise is fairly small.
04:48:23 MidJag: I don't know any good ASCII emoticons
04:48:45 Piecewise: I could always just spam the chat with the ascii porn images I know exist
04:48:52 Piecewise: to teach you a lesson~
04:49:03 MidJag: You've already shown me that several times.
04:49:17 syv: Go ahead, they get all broken up in my IRC app.
04:49:27 syv: So only the others suffer.
04:49:53 Piecewise: sex is, at its core, a very repetitive thing,
MJ
04:50:42 syv: Only if you aren't bad at it.
04:52:01 Piecewise: How many iterations of something do you have to have before it is considered repetitive?
04:55:41 MidJag: That's a confident answer
dev.
04:57:29 syv: ...Nah, I think it's more around seven or eight.
04:57:44 syv: Eight. Eight. Eight. Eight. Eight. Eight. Eight.
05:02:05 Piecewise: and yeah, they're pretty good
05:02:39 syv: Okaaaay maybe I do have to buy it.
05:03:09 Piecewise: yeah, that one completely changes the game layout and essentially reworks the entire style of it
05:03:43 Piecewise: they said they would have mod support in there eventually. Their files actually contain encrypted files about it for anyone who figured out how to hack them
05:04:14 Piecewise: I think the current version only has mods on the beta branch
05:04:33 syv: "Holy Mountain shop now contains 30 wands or spells, generally a mixture of both. Prices for wands have been lowered slightly."
05:22:58 Devastator doesn't want to reward the immensely boring process of mining out as much gold as possible.
05:23:13 syv: Why would you even do that?
05:23:28 Devastator: to get ahead of the survival curve.
05:23:48 syv: You can still only four wands and... twenty (?) loose elements, so you just buy the best wand or two.
05:24:51 syv: Beyond that, if you can't get enough gold in the first three levels to find a great setup among NINETY (!) options, uh, you suck. Badly.
05:25:23 syv: It also doubled the number of refills, and made all temples two way, so... difficulty is not the name of the game here. It's exploration.
05:25:45 Devastator: I waste too much time exploring already.
05:26:05 syv: Sounds very much like the mod author is fully intending the players to "win" within three or so real tries.
05:26:11 syv: So the mod's bad for you. *shrug*
05:26:28 syv: I'm sure there will be plenty of mods in the opposite direction, if you even condone modding.
05:29:34 Devastator: "Lord, we have won a smashing victory" after having two units defeated and the guy retreats in good order.
05:30:11 Devastator: watching a video let's play of Dragon Force.
05:30:54 Devastator: whenever you win a battle, at least for this faction, it was 'Lord, we have won a smashing victory', regardless of how much of a victory it was.
05:34:17 Devastator: that one had two friendly units knocked out, and the third one barely forced a retreat, that left the opponent with surviving troops.
05:34:31 Devastator: against one enemy unit.
05:35:32 Devastator: some rough enemy units.
05:36:45 Devastator: going back to the faction description, these enemies are the 'magical anime girl etc' army.
05:40:22 Devastator: actually, all the guys seem to be like brickjawed meatslabs.
05:40:39 Devastator: the bishies were part of the kung fu masters faction.
05:41:25 Devastator: though some of these guys might be part of the global hero recruiting pool.
05:42:06 Devastator: Nope, that guy was native.
05:42:37 Devastator: heh, that guys rogue from his own faction.
05:42:46 syv: ..."Bishie" is a masculine term. In the sense of describing males, not in the sense of being manly.
05:43:16 syv: So magical anime girls are not bishie.
05:45:04 Devastator: There are males in the faction.
05:45:07 Devastator: And there's a bishie!
05:45:32 syv: Ahh, missed the "etc". Okay then.
05:45:41 syv: Are they being purged with fire?
05:47:15 Devastator: sadly the best unit he's attacking this lot with is an anime-style half dragon.
05:49:16 Devastator: ..And yeah, confirmation taht the bishie was a native.
05:51:34 Devastator: I do like some of the map elements which use topological connections so that the two central factions still have backline territories.
05:57:45 Devastator: the leader of that faction is Lord Vader.
05:57:50 Devastator: maybe the anime stuff happens if you play them.
06:00:17 syv: Since when is Vader anime?
06:02:53 Devastator: The bishie was anime.
06:03:02 Devastator: the leader of the absolutly murderous harpy unit was anime.
06:03:07 Devastator: but hasn't been too much other than that.
06:04:25 Devastator: Oh, that explains it.
06:04:28 Devastator: it's a girl in a vader suit.
06:06:15 Devastator: "But can you trust a night creature? I might betray you.."
06:06:20 Devastator: "I am a very popular man. That will not happen."
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06:07:01 Devastator: (The leader of the faction he's playing is an idiot.)
06:13:27 syv: "JUST SO YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS EDIT THIS MAP/REPOST THIS MAP. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GIVE THIS MAP SCRIPT TO SOMEONE JUST RELINK TO MY MAP THREAD."
06:13:56 syv: Found at the top of a map script, which was included in a bundle of 172 map scripts that only have author names listed, without any other info.
06:14:13 syv: As a bonus, the message existing in the script causes half the spawnpoints to be removed.
06:17:48 Devastator: checking, I suppose.
06:20:51 syv: Nah, the author could have made a proper trap that'd ruined the map entirely rather than only when set to teams mode, and judging from the quality of their scripting they have no idea how it actually works.
06:21:48 syv: At least they didn't screw anything up enough for the game to shove scientific notation into object locations.
08:12:13 syv: I don't think the guy that made the compilation even playtested all of them.
08:13:06 syv: On this latest map, the start gate that waits for 20 seconds before it closes, to let everyone start at the same time? It's misaligned with the map, so you can just walk under it easily.
08:16:35 Devastator: No true belt-user ever walks.
08:17:51 syv: Later on there's an obstacle that gives you about four urists of vertical space (the player character is ~1.6 urists tall), with no ceiling but four urists of wall to grapple to, and this obstacle extends for a loooong distance, a couple hundred urists at least. It's the kind of thing that's trivial to pass slowly, and very very near impossible to pass fast.
08:19:01 syv: Passages that height are considered to practically be keyholes because of how difficult it is to control vertical movement that precisely.
08:20:35 syv: It's just not a very good map.
08:25:18 syv: Ugh, it also has no checkpoints, and a LOT of long featureless corridors that are timeconsuming to go through, with decently deadly, if simplistic, obstacles.
08:28:07 syv: ...You know, giving them +/- scores wouldn't be a bad idea, if only I'd have thought of that when I started.
08:28:33 syv: But no. This one is prolly an F+, considering it's at least mostly completeable as intended.
08:29:13 syv: There's another map that's broken to the point of 90% of the map being the wrong way, and 10% of the map being stupid bullshit.
08:29:52 syv: It's the equivalent of a full (if bad) mario maker stage, where right next to the spawn there's a win door that you have to step on spikes to enter.
08:29:58 Devastator: The right way is the stupid bullshit?
08:30:59 syv: You have to touch a checkpoint which respawns you behind the starting line, then deliberately die to a conveniently place lava block, which spawns you a short distance away from the finish line.
08:31:21 syv: Which is also protected by a net of invisible kill walls that you have to walk past in a specific order.
08:31:47 syv: And this entire area is 100% unreachable by any other method, despite an actual full course existing in the other direction, with no finish line.
08:32:00 Devastator: so bad mario maker stage indeed.
08:32:24 syv: I found it ridiculously aggravatig trying to figure out WHERE the damn finish line was, especially because there were several broken areas that let you easily escape from the course entirely.
08:34:25 syv: Also, it's possible to make walls that look solid but aren't, so I spent awhile bashing into real walls to check. I consider myself lucky that I didn't know at the time that it's possible to make fake kill walls, else I might have started checking for *those*. Ugh. I just can't believe the abomination was put on this list, unless the guy just didn't play the maps.
08:39:05 syv: That one's also notable for being winnable before the race begins.
09:31:36 er: Corn chip, pretzel, and peanut butter flavored m&ms.
10:20:33 syv: Me? Yeah, I'm okay for the most part.
10:26:12 er: Mm, it's like 6:30 already. Glad I don't work today.
10:39:46 er: Guess I could ne convinced to wake up for something sufficiently exciting.
10:41:26 syv: Well, I don't have anything. Enjoy your dreams!
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19:30:16 Radio_Controlled: Waddup my salty people with brine for blood.
20:18:14 Radio_Controlled: Congratulations.
20:18:37 Radio_Controlled: How do you feel?
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20:36:42 Radio_Controlled: Been some time since I last tasted my own.
20:36:47 Radio_Controlled: Still salty, I bet.
20:37:45 Radio_Controlled: How about you?
20:39:39 er: My blood is filled with a twisted dark rage of the old gods, or maybe I'm just descended from fishpeople.
20:41:05 Radio_Controlled: Hmm. There is a way to sort this out.
20:41:21 Radio_Controlled: Have you tried deep frying your fingers and eating them like fish sticks?
20:45:48 Radio_Controlled: For what, deep frying?
20:46:16 Radio_Controlled: An entrepreneurial spirit could get by with their mouth and curled toes!
20:50:05 er: I'm not allowed to use those for my job, I think.
20:50:14 Radio_Controlled: Fingerfrying aside, how's it been going?
20:50:29 Radio_Controlled: Oh, what do you do, if I may ask?
20:50:45 er: Also fingers are handy for killing the humans.
20:56:02 Radio_Controlled: How's that treating ya? I used to wash dishes as well when I worked in a restaurant, I know it can suck at times.
20:58:27 er: I've never really done anything else. :v
20:59:10 er: People can do annoying things that make my job harder, but that's probably universal.
21:01:04 Radio_Controlled: True. I used to wonder what was worse, having to deal with greasy pans in the back or with greasy tourists in the front.
21:01:43 Radio_Controlled: At least when I was a waiter I once got a front row seat to a seagull making swooping over and taking a perfectly aimed shit into a snooty tourist's plate.
21:01:59 Radio_Controlled: That was fun.
21:04:16 Radio_Controlled: She got a new plate of course, but still. That aim. That grace. That devilish cackle.
21:06:23 er: Mm. Never been a waiter, but I did once split my time between washing and running a register. I *hated* that.
21:11:40 Radio_Controlled: I can imagine. Dealing with customers can be a pain sometimes.
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21:35:13 ER: I yearn to run an RTD or something
21:36:13 ER: I've been avoiding posting the turn for the game that I'm actually supposed to be running because everything is hard and also this is the turn where I lose.
21:40:24 Radio_Controlled: How do you mean, you're losing the game you're running?
21:40:30 Radio_Controlled: Is it gm versus the players?
21:40:59 ER: I mean I love all my little NPC children
21:41:28 Radio_Controlled: Give 'em tough love. Sink or swim!
21:41:43 Radio_Controlled: Bad rolls be bad.
21:42:02 Radio_Controlled: Don't see it as a loss, see it as an opportunity for them to come stronger out of the ordeal.
21:42:57 Radio_Controlled: Or to come out dead.
21:43:20 ER: Demons can't come out stronger without a good death roll, and I don't have the nerve to roll that one right now
21:43:40 Radio_Controlled: You want me to roll it for you?
21:43:49 ER: I don't want to see my bird mage man accidentially kill his daughter
21:44:13 Radio_Controlled: Aye sir. Black dice?
21:44:59 Radio_Controlled: (if I knew a quick and easy way for me to film it and send it to you, here's where I'd do that)
21:45:21 Radio_Controlled: Welp, here it goes.
21:46:02 Radio_Controlled: What is this newfangled vine you kids are talking about?
21:46:10 Radio_Controlled: And at any rate it was a [5].
21:46:41 Radio_Controlled: You have better luck with these than I had a bit ago.
21:46:56 ER: well, better than it could be.
21:47:03 Radio_Controlled: *roll to see how well known your character is at the start of the game*
21:47:35 Radio_Controlled: "Welp, guess you're a dirty orphan raised by a crazy nun with nothing to your name."
21:47:50 ER: I get to choose between being mostly dead or spending 1 of my 2 determination points to merely take pain damage :v
21:48:43 Radio_Controlled: Seeing the demon cling to unholy life fills you with DETERMINATION.
21:50:15 Radio_Controlled: Also, bah, currently regretting not dumping all of my starting points into skills in mook. If only
pw had let us known how inferior stats would be yet again!
21:51:07 Radio_Controlled: Then maybe all of those chargen points wouldn't have gone up in smoke with nothing to show for it.
21:51:59 ER:
PW makes bad games, you should play my horribly malnourished masterpieces instead~
21:52:00 Radio_Controlled: Even now, respawning would probably be the smarter move, but I AIN'T GIVING YOU THE SATISFACTION, YOU HEAR ME YOU SHITSKELLY.
21:52:31 Radio_Controlled: But then I might have to kill your darlings รถ
21:53:04 ER: see, this is why I should only make PvP games~
21:53:10 Radio_Controlled: Also I'm still sore over not getting to bathe in mage blood in my shiny mech :(
21:53:28 Radio_Controlled: Twist the knife, why don't you.
21:53:43 ER: mm, I'm not good at logistics...
21:54:34 Radio_Controlled: I have run exactly zero games on bay12 though, so who am I to talk.
21:54:55 Radio_Controlled: RL RP games I gm are going good though, even though we hardly ever get to play.
21:55:51 Radio_Controlled: Martial arts IN SPAAACE had a cool first session, even had a lil' cameo of a K6BD character (though none of them recognized it).
21:55:57 ER: I've never actually tried RL GMing, considering how I don't ever want to do prep work it'd probably not work out.
21:56:28 Radio_Controlled: It has a dynamic of its own, some things work well around a table but not over forum and vice versa.
21:57:26 Radio_Controlled: We also always use very simple systems so the focus is more on story and making up stupid shit.
21:57:40 Radio_Controlled: I do some prep work, but not -that- much, a lot is improv.
21:59:55 Radio_Controlled: Either way, I really should get some shuteye now.
22:00:31 Radio_Controlled: Was nice talking to you again, see you around.
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