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00:27:16 Devastator: you know, I really should summon a bird to look at my pile of machine guns, even if it just has orders to come find me if someone breaks in.
01:23:40 Devastator: I'd only do that because you told me about the will spell thing. It'll come up if it comes up.
05:06:49 Devastator: you want thag to just run in along with you?
05:08:18 er: I'm just following my nature~
05:08:47 Devastator: so would you like him to run in or not?
05:09:26 er: You probably won't be very useful hiding behind the door.
05:15:00 er: If you want orders ask
paris's character
05:15:34 Devastator: Just say something.
05:15:41 Devastator: don't pull a trump and imply stuff.
05:16:50 er: You won't help the fight as-is, and I don't care if you do or don't.
05:17:29 Devastator: Yeah, saying something but not saying anything.
05:18:30 er: If I said anything more I'd be lying.
05:19:01 er: Do you want me to lie to you because that creates a clearer picture?
05:21:10 Devastator: You could just tell the truth and say "No, I wouldn't like thag to run in."
05:22:15 er: You asked me what I want, and theb legitimate truth is that I don't care, as I've said several times.
05:22:49 Devastator: and not caring, you don't want him to edit his orders to run in with you.
05:23:18 er: I don't want him to, and I don't not want him to.
05:23:59 er: There's a difference between telling you to not edit your action and telling you to do what you want.
05:24:02 Devastator: Yes. And since both of those are true, the one I asked you is "No." The opposite would also be "No."
05:29:55 Devastator: draggie can walk on hind legs.
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06:31:45 Devastator: How you doing today?
06:32:36 syv: Not tired, but not feeling great either.
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07:17:49 Devastator:
PW recommended something, but I'm going to watch some of it before passing it along.
07:18:49 syv:
PW recommends a lot of stuff.
07:19:18 syv: I'm decent. Got a giant pack of AoTTG racing maps, so I'm working through them and grading them on difficulty.
07:19:52 ER: I don't do anything and it feels like I have no time to do my nothing in
07:20:57 ER: only a couple times recently
07:21:15 ER: usually I don't go into the portal, just dick around in the first stage
07:21:36 Devastator: that's the
dev trap.
07:22:06 syv: What's there to do in the first stage...?
07:22:18 Devastator: you dick about until you get killed.
07:22:21 ER: my hundreth run was going great, I had a lava to blood spell, and I got killed by a ghost with a sawblade wand
07:22:58 ER: some floaty boi in the coal pits
07:23:55 ER: looked kinda like the player
07:25:14 Devastator: that's what that thing is.
07:27:11 Devastator: yeah, a couple times.
07:27:28 Devastator: once where it just took endless damage and murded me with a superwand.
07:27:41 Devastator: one where I killed it.
07:28:24 syv: I'm guessing it selects for runs that you did well on, since I don't know of any ever appearing with crap wands.
07:28:50 ER: mine had a sawblade, so that's false :P
07:29:10 syv: Don't you do well with sawblades?
07:29:14 ER: oh yeah, now I remember why I keep dying beofre the portal
07:29:36 ER: sawblade wands with .07 recharge and 6 deg despersion
07:31:48 Devastator: nah, the one I murdered had a crap wand.
07:32:02 Devastator: must have had charges because it just did nothing.
07:32:21 ER: sawblades are pretty good, but I'm not great with them if they have despersion
07:32:54 ER: either I'm bad, or it's basically RNG if it ends up bouncing in your face
07:33:00 Devastator: sawblades are great fun.
07:33:19 syv: Ehhh, no, I think everyone's bad with high-dispersion sawblades.
07:33:29 syv: Except whatever streamers have mastered Noita.
07:34:40 Devastator: I need to use sawblades more because they do just so much damage.
07:34:53 ER: ...I think mastery of the game means looting the high-depersion sawblade wand and not using it until you can reconjigger your spells wands wands so it doesn't kill you
07:35:31 ER: a wand like that would be great as soon as you can get some bouncy balls or spitter bolts
07:38:22 syv: Or, if it has good stats and a couple chainsaws, sparkbolts.
07:38:36 syv: High dispersion sparkbolts are still good if you fire all of them.
07:38:41 ER: I like, never find chainsaws
07:38:57 ER: I've had a good chainsaw build twice
07:40:35 syv: I usually find at least one digging bolt or chainsaw before level 3.
07:41:41 ER: though the first chainsaw I found was an always casts 5 pentagonal wand, which was interesting
07:41:48 Devastator: I had like three games with no useable wands.
07:42:10 syv: I've still not found a use for the pentagon pattern.
07:42:38 ER: it's alright with chainsaw. :V
07:43:18 syv: They're better concentrated towards enemiea.
07:43:49 syv: If you can expect to be surrounded, you can just... not get surrounded. Maybe some kinda combo with teleportitis?
07:44:12 syv: Chainsaw, now that actually does give me an idea, huh.
07:44:52 syv: A usual problem with the chainsaw MG wands is that I also want to use them to dig. But they tend to fire the same direction as the lasers or sparkbolts or whatever.
07:45:08 syv: Which, on a good wand, means substantial recoil away from what you're digging.
07:45:18 syv: Welp, there's a use, I guess.
07:45:30 Devastator: sparkbolts have recoil?
07:45:42 ER: forwards back elimineates the recoil :P
07:46:11 ER: yeah, think I've noticed recoil from the starting wand while oiled
07:46:13 syv: I didn't say forward back was useless, did I?
07:46:37 Devastator: I'm oiled right now and no recoil.
07:47:40 syv: I've wanted to try putting forward back on an explosive wand with the teleport projectile.
07:47:52 syv: But I haven't gotte the combo.
07:50:26 Devastator: welp, zero wands on level one, and the store is selling spells.
07:50:44 Devastator: 'circle of oil' 'knockback' 'cement' and 'acid ball'
07:51:00 Devastator: hate doing that, though, not enough mana.
07:51:15 syv: That might be pretty good.
07:51:24 syv: Cement is also fun on the bomb wand.
07:51:44 syv: Still useless, but fun, and it works like a chainsaw IIRC.
07:52:55 Devastator: found a wand on l2.
07:53:06 Devastator: 5x odd firebolt, 0.02 second fire rate, 2.5 second reload rate.
07:55:23 ER: so, want to join lup's game? You could just play as literally nyw again :p
07:55:59 syv: Eh, I looked at the OP, nothing hooked me, and I've been spotty in the games that I *do* play as is.
07:56:05 syv: Do you particularly want me?
07:59:46 ER: if you don't want to, you shouldn't.
08:01:52 Devastator: teleporting enemy mage found a wand that threw explosives around and self-destructed.
08:02:08 syv: "owo" is the "notices bulge" meme,
Dev. I figured that specific usage was because I phrased it as "do you want me?".
08:03:04 syv: As to playing, I'm ambivalent, and if there were incentive to playing, I would. Without incentive, it's just another non-notable RTD.
08:03:39 syv: If you want to set up a fun RP interaction, that'd be enough, but playing alone? Nah.
08:03:50 Devastator: next level, no wands.
08:03:56 Devastator: well, the ones I found are mostly shit.
08:04:03 Devastator: endless weird firebolts aren't that great.
08:05:01 syv: Yeah, sometimes Noita just decides "fuck you".
08:05:06 ER: well, there's lots of players to have RP interactions with at the moment
08:05:36 Devastator: did have 'giga black hole' for sale, thoguh.
08:05:57 syv: Most players are shit at RP and their attempts make me want to punch them.
08:06:16 ER: I might be slightly more tolerant ;P
08:07:56 ER: I've buddied up with ATH because hey, being friends with the giant undead knight is a good idea. again.
08:08:22 syv: I actually like ATH's roleplay, as it happens.
08:08:37 syv: She's (?) not *good*, but she's entertaining.
08:09:05 ER: I'm annoyed by overuse of italics though
08:09:25 ER: I don't want to read whole paragraphs in italics!
08:11:52 Devastator: I watched leng pull the classic romance scammer move on ATH some years ago, which is pretty close to what first put me off leng.
08:12:42 syv: Amusingly, I was gonna say that ATH kinda reminds me of a very dumb Leng, but I decided against because you're here.
08:13:50 ER: was gonna say they're not too similar, but yeah, also less angry
08:13:53 Devastator: Not evil like Leng, but yeah, not that bright.
08:13:59 Devastator: and much less angry.
08:14:11 Devastator: I don't want to ever pull anything on ATH or put pressure on or anything like that.
08:14:29 Devastator: and I get tired of being cautious all the time.
08:17:34 syv: ...Do you ever play "cautious all the time" chacters?
08:17:50 syv: I struggle to think of many times you've played terribly cautious at all.
08:17:59 Devastator: Leo was going to be that way.
08:19:05 Devastator: I don't lose a lot of characters, though.
08:19:30 ER: not a lot of characters die
08:20:23 syv: I didn't say you play overly risky, I said you don't play cautiously.
08:20:46 syv: ...Also, in general when your chars die, you leave the game.
08:21:03 syv: So, kinda stacks the deck in your favor since you leave games where you lose chars.
08:22:01 Devastator: Saeko's been extraordinarily cautious.
08:22:44 syv: I haven't read any of her adventures except for the one since Ekrov joined.
08:22:57 syv: And... yeah, unsupported, though I'll take your word for it just fine.
08:24:00 Devastator: I spent like a year and a half getting stuff together before entering the dungeon, man.
08:24:37 syv: A year and a half that I wasn't there for~
08:24:50 Devastator: what I will agree with is that I play agressive rather than cautious.
08:32:31 Devastator: of course, and then half the mana went up in smoke in a pile of critfails.
08:32:34 Devastator: what terrible rolls.
08:33:18 Devastator: wait.. static projectile?
08:40:42 Devastator: you know, a wand that does machine gun magic bolts is a good digger.
08:47:17 Devastator: and dead, due to black hole mishap.
09:06:58 ER: that's an interesting wand to find in the first level
09:09:46 ER: shuffle no / spells cast 1 / cast delay .17 / recharge .07 / mana 1470 / charge speed 32 / capacity 9 / spread 1.0 / always casts electric arc / giant magic missile, behind your back, giant magic missile, poison trail, giant magic missile, giant magic missile, giant magic missile, giant magic missile, giant magic missile.
09:10:36 syv: Great alpha strike with a few multicasts and a chainsaw, I suppose.
09:11:06 syv: Yet suicidal before being able to modify it.
09:11:08 ER: yeah, I'd better... not fire this right now, I guess
09:11:52 syv: Safe enough, as long as you keep track of which projectile's next.
09:12:17 syv: The second is backward, and the third drops a ton of acid, which will prolly fill a tunnel.
09:12:30 syv: I think all the others are fine and safe, though?
09:12:38 syv: Aside from being giant magic missiles...
09:15:45 ER: a wand for sale with two triple spells, which I can't afford
09:16:29 Devastator: nah, one poison trail is no biggie.
09:17:02 ER: well, at least I have what amounts to a rocket launcher with 70 shots
09:17:26 Devastator: get enough trails on enough projectiles, and they stack, and you get insane power.
09:17:32 syv: Pretty much anything with decent recoil will get you back up the drop between levels.
09:17:42 syv: Or put the trail behind a multicast.
09:17:55 syv: But yeah, more than one projectile with acid trail is DANGEROUS>
09:18:10 syv: Hell, one projectile that's slow--or permanent!--is dangerous.
09:18:29 syv: Slap it on circle of healing and it's a suicide wand (and a level clear wand).
09:18:35 syv: Oh, also, acid goes through brickwork.
09:18:56 syv: So you can mine through the bottom of the temple, which will leave a path you ca get back up easily.
09:19:03 syv: It'll anger the gods though.
09:19:30 Devastator: acid seems like a bad way to dig up.
09:19:39 ER: it's a poison trail, not an acid trail
09:20:29 syv: Yeah, I don't realy know what that does tbh.
09:20:39 syv: @
Dev yeah, it basically can't.
09:20:59 syv: That's not *quite* true, but... yeah, trying will prolly just kill you.
09:21:34 Devastator: it's purple and stuff dies in it.
09:21:57 syv: It probably sucks as a trail, then.
09:22:24 syv: Maybe with an on-trigger projectile that leaves a lasting projectile.
09:22:35 ER: creates a purple liquid which becomes a purple gas, looks like
09:22:51 Devastator: less dangerous than acid is.
09:22:55 Devastator: but it does a lot less damage.
09:23:00 syv: ...Hmm, you know, that would be a pretty terrifyingly deadly weapon.
09:23:38 ER: I do have two trigger energy spheres, which might work well as sphere - poison - sphere
09:23:40 syv: "onTimerSparkbolt acidTrail homingProjectile CircleOfX"
09:23:59 ER: that wand has 26 deg despersion though
09:24:12 syv: Maybe. Probably not, the second sphere won't drop all that much poison. But... it's worth a try.
09:26:24 ER: seems to make a decent enough amount of poison
09:26:35 ER: which may as well be a debuff, but oh well
09:27:04 ER: bought a new wand for that, because despersion scares me
09:29:11 ER: okay, this build is... uh, it's a build
09:30:20 ER: my giant magic missile wand has a permanant electric aura because of the alwayscasts electric arc
09:31:12 ER: my giant magic missiles each came with 10 casts, but recharged to 6
09:31:39 ER: I think they recharged DOWN to 6
09:35:08 ER: dammit, what do I do with 7 x 6 giant magic missiles
09:35:23 ER: it's more than I can probably use, but still finite! D:
09:35:50 syv: Use another wand for lone weak enemies.
09:35:58 syv: Group or tough, swap to it.
09:40:43 ER: well, enemy I've never seen before in the coal pit!
09:41:09 ER: lets see him eat giant magic missile!
09:41:53 syv: Chaotic polymorphic nearby, mayhaps?
09:44:16 ER: well, managed to pick up a triple spread spell from a wand, so now I can use that with giant missiles
09:45:33 ER: this sounds badass, also it only gets three shots
09:46:21 ER: electric charge isn't a projectile, right?
09:51:30 ER: makes a big slow moving electric ball
09:55:00 ER: I have a tentacle for usual stuff, and then a wand which lobs four rockets which arc electricity
09:55:40 ER: if you shoot tentacle at shop spells, it pulls them towards you
10:09:29 ER: "Too much salt is bad for the heart, however, in this case it is too much heart that will be bad for the salt."
10:24:41 Devastator: I think there should be a few more jokes in that series.
10:27:51 Devastator: those two fan art mini-comics.
10:33:42 syv: Not the best names of wizards, but one of the more impressive ones.
10:34:12 syv: I mentioned I was playing AoTTG racing maps?
10:34:36 syv: Well, all of them are custom made by people using RCmod's hacked-in map creation software.
10:35:11 syv: The *crappy* ones use that feature, which is clear because they're about as well engineered as a child's pillow fort.
10:36:02 syv: The good ones were clearly hand written, directly editing the semi-coded map scripts so that everything is neat and lines up. Which is really hard, because said code is atrocious.
10:36:13 syv: Like punching knives atrocious.
10:37:16 syv: And then Cowcowtony has made... I don't know how to describe it. Smooth tunnels with color gradients, which spiral downward in a constant fashion.
10:37:18 ER: just a good, well-designed game
10:37:47 syv: With mapmaking code where "high quality" is a box that has four 90-degree corners.
10:38:10 syv: It's like seeing the Mona Lisa, ostensibly drawn with crayons.
10:38:49 ER: clearly making good maps is his stand power
10:39:15 syv: AoTTG is a hilariously badly coded and sloppy game, which has been modded into something resembling functionality by a series of different hackers, of varying competence levels.
10:39:59 ER: ten thousand monkeys at typewriters
10:40:15 syv: Like many unique classics, it has a whole array of utterly broken exploits that are considered to be necessary to abuse for high level play.
10:40:41 syv: I just tripped on a kitten.
10:41:32 ER: they have a habit of running directly in front of you, apparently not understanding why that might not be a good idea
10:42:22 Devastator: and sleeping on the top stair.
10:53:15 syv: For almost the last seven hours.
10:53:40 ER: but now it's actually monday
10:53:54 ER: because this is the time around when the sun comes up
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13:56:08 er: Well, I've had a productive day over the past 4 hours, which isn't an entire day.
17:15:40 Devastator: post in cabal so the people waiting on you can play too.
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21:39:35 er: Your efforts, will be WASted
21:40:31 er: Remind me to have Sophia do a cool jojo pose when she summons her stand
23:32:30 er: Was writing something for that arena power level game, then I went to do something else and now I'm tired.
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