00:28:22 Devastator: well, three beers, there you go.
00:34:46 Devastator: ahh yeah, boaty mcboatface.
00:35:04 Devastator: now, how to get to the screen where she discusses things she has slept with.. ;-p
00:45:03 Devastator: even if you couldn't get drunk.
01:21:25 ER: all katia really needs is to become a lich
01:24:41 Devastator: I don't think that would work.
01:24:59 Devastator: her addiction seems to go beyond any imaginable physical or psychological dependance on booze.
01:25:32 ER: so you're saying it's a *metaphysical* dependance
01:26:05 Devastator: it could be supernatural.
01:38:25 ER: though it's a tossup between squashing that or the nightmares
01:38:32 Devastator: unless someone wished her to be super-alcoholic.
01:38:38 ER: katia has multiple problems, I guess
01:41:03 Devastator: "I wish I was implausably alcoholic" might be a new contender for worse wish.
01:43:35 ER: I mean, things could get worse
01:49:36 Devastator: she could be happy forever and things will be boring.
01:50:07 ER: I wish I were incapable of suffering!
01:50:25 ER: things will go horribly, but only from the perspective of people who aren't me!
02:24:52 ER: I had previously only read the start of Dodger: Break the Law
02:26:55 ER: yes but. I want to hide from how big an idiot quil is being
02:40:01 Devastator: what's the worst of all possible magical girl wishes?
02:40:20 Piecewise: For the individual or the world?
02:40:26 Devastator: individual, probably.
02:41:29 Piecewise: The one that blue lady made in madoka is a pretty good one
02:41:48 Piecewise: Ie save someone who doesn't even give a shit about you and then die
02:41:55 Devastator: "I wish my wounded best friend was healed?"
02:42:23 Devastator: Well, it's clearly worse than "I wish I had the power to heal wounds that will never heal."
02:42:33 Piecewise: In Biscuit hammer one guy wished for a piece of bread to give a girl
02:42:39 ER: blue's wish checks out, she's just an idiot paladin
02:43:18 Devastator: although we're at wishes with negative value at this point.
02:43:47 Piecewise: do we want just plain bad?
02:43:53 Piecewise: "I wish I had no lungs"
02:44:00 Devastator: well, quick, at least.
02:44:02 Piecewise: there are many terrible wishes
02:44:16 Devastator: and it might make you a spider.
02:44:25 Piecewise: "I wish I had a tapeworm"
02:44:35 Piecewise: "I wish my hands fused to my knees"
02:44:46 Piecewise: However I think you want something less simple
02:45:18 Devastator: I mean, more points to something philosophically bad.
02:46:39 Piecewise: "I wish to have an interesting life"
02:46:48 Devastator:
syv did veto "I wish I was a MLP pony."
02:48:19 ER: these times are interesting ones, and I'd certainly rather live in them than in what came before
02:52:13 Piecewise: Generally any large scale wish can be distorted
02:52:30 Piecewise: remove hunger by causing cannibalism
02:52:48 ER: I wish to be delicious to all creatures
02:53:02 Piecewise: I wish to be loved by everyone!
02:53:10 Piecewise: *Banging on the door*
02:53:31 Piecewise: *Banging of dicks on the door*
02:57:38 Piecewise: Hmmm, the best terrible wish would depend on the situation
02:57:50 Piecewise: Do you have anything you desperately want to protect?
02:57:54 Piecewise: Whats your motivation?
02:59:32 Devastator: "I wish I made everyone happy" would be interesting and terrible.
04:13:19 Devastator: words words words words words
04:13:29 Devastator: I will get it done tonight, but it's taking time.
04:14:57 Devastator: fortunately there aren't nearly as many mad science buildings as org buildings, but they all take so many words because of restrictions on mad scientists.
04:18:17 Devastator: Oh god, I just realized.
04:18:48 Devastator: Since I'm treating biological organisms equivalent to vehicles, you research them first, and then, presumably, murder the test subjects before building them in the 'workshop'
04:19:21 ER: wait, we can't field prototypes?
04:19:44 Devastator: Sorry, x-com rules there.
04:19:54 Devastator: although mad scientists have nothing but prototypes.
04:20:43 ER: my x-com ruleset, was going to make you first build a prototype, then field test it before finalizing the design
04:21:06 Devastator: well, in this case you do lab research and can have multiple labs and workshops, so..
05:02:45 Devastator: phew, buildings done.
05:09:54 Devastator: armoury's a lot easier.
05:28:41 Devastator: buildings and armoury up.
05:29:34 Devastator: taking another break before T1, but I have some of it done already.
05:31:41 Devastator: feel free to throw peanuts at me on here, though.
05:50:32 ER: maybe an "infantry squad" which counts as small and can be ferried by the heli
05:50:50 Devastator: Yeah, might include that.
05:51:01 Devastator: I'd drop the rocket launchers and still take the barracks.
05:51:38 ER: spec ops, precision warfare ;p
05:51:41 Devastator: Squads are like 4 guys, though. I need a name for like 12 guys and like 40 guys.
05:52:01 ER: isn't a squad like 12 guys?
05:52:28 Devastator: yeah, come to think of it.
05:52:42 Devastator: same cost, but fits in a heli and has no rocket launchers.
05:53:57 ER: I have no idea how real terminology works, but in PS2 a squad is up to twelve soldiers, maybe split up into different fireteams, and a platoon is up to four squads.
06:17:54 ER: yeah, I aughta take a sleep
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06:49:15 syv: Squad is ~12, yes, and ~40 would be a platoon.
06:49:37 Devastator: will get first post done tonight.
06:49:44 syv: SAM launchers fire surface-to-air missiles, not air-to-air missiles
06:50:36 Devastator: also forgot the fighter jet.
06:50:37 syv: And I question what the value of infantry squads are when they cost the same as (more than...) infantry platoons, while having less souls and worse weapons.
06:50:56 Devastator: They're not a good idea.
06:50:57 syv: Other than that, no comments. Numbers seem to work out from what I see.
06:51:46 syv: Why do they not get heavy weapons?
06:52:14 Devastator: because it's a stupid idea.
06:52:30 syv: Also, do you require a flying transport to ferry infantry units somewhere?
06:52:40 Devastator: Out of your base, yes.
06:52:49 Devastator: but no, not when you get to a destination.
06:53:22 Devastator: thinking of the term for stuff launched from the fighter.
06:54:27 syv: Is there ever any reason to use helicopter transport over plane transport? Heli costs 75 & ferries 1 small, plane costs 150 and ferries 2 medium.
06:54:48 Devastator: Not unless someone goes with a small vehicle attack unit.
06:56:28 syv: Can you not put smalls in a medium space?
06:57:02 Devastator: I'd expect someone going with a bioweapon to maybe do that.
06:57:08 Devastator: might not need to be huge.
06:59:11 Devastator: plus a bioweapon might need a special transport.
06:59:20 Devastator: particularly if a mad scientist made it.
06:59:23 Devastator: might not be so tame.
07:02:02 syv: I really don't see why an infantry squad must be so terrible. If nothing else, if they're the same as a unit, except with *less* equipment and soldiers, they shouldn't cost as much. Maybe make them spec ops or something? Or just remove them...? It seems like a terrible mechanic to make a unit that's never useful, which sounds like it could be useful unless asked about.
07:02:24 Devastator:
ER asked for it to be included.
07:02:58 Devastator: Although, you know, you could use the helicopter tactically instead of keeping it safe.. ;-p
07:03:12 Devastator: you aren't going to need transport, but if someone were to invent, say, jetpacks it would help.
07:03:34 syv: It'd literally be better to just build a full infantry unit, then put the best twelve men in it in a helicopter, with their rocket launchers and such. :P
07:04:34 Devastator: I'll still keep the helicopter. I know a couple people wanted stuff that would be 'small'
07:04:43 Devastator: Hell, Alida would be 'small'
07:04:50 syv: I think it would be a good mechanic to keep, if it were half price, with better accuracy and similar weapons. So if you design an expensive infantry weapon that matters, it's half price to test with an infantry squad, and will have better accuracy because you're fielding elites.
07:05:21 syv: Keeping helicopters is fine, though I'd make them cost 50. So at least there's some advantage over using a plane.
07:05:58 Devastator: 75 isn't that much.
07:06:10 Devastator: I might fiddle with numbers later on.
07:07:37 syv: 3 also isn't that much, but if it's a third as good as something else which costs 6, it should never be bought, and should probably be priced at 2.
07:08:31 Devastator: it's more like a quarter, really.
07:08:35 Devastator: you can put 2 smalls in a med.
07:09:15 Devastator: I expect people to use it as a bomber.
07:10:38 Devastator: half the price of an airtransport and you get to use your bomb early.
07:14:42 Devastator: fighter jets be expensive.
07:14:47 syv: I guess that's fair, but ow. Will we get funding increases?
07:14:57 Devastator: Yeah, do some successes.
07:15:30 Devastator: plus, hell, building your own fighter will probably cost 500, and then each one will be a lot cheapter.
07:16:53 Devastator: yeah, I'm adding in research and such.
07:17:00 Devastator: you'll need to get a large lab and factory.
07:17:03 Devastator: hmm, a bit more thne.
07:17:23 syv: Oh, I get it. This is stuff available to everyone, purchased prefabbed. Building your own stuff at-cost is cheaper, yes.
07:18:05 syv: Could
ER use his intel thinger to steal the designs for fighters or w/e, so he can build things cheaper
07:18:35 Devastator: You'll have to ask
ER, he'll get stuff in the turns.
07:19:41 syv: "If you desire something different from what's listed, please ask for it."
07:20:10 syv: How much to purchase a specops squad that's small, but much better trained than the infantry platoon? ;P
07:20:30 Devastator: probably four times as much.
07:20:44 Devastator: Or you could build an x-mat small lab and make them better small arms.
07:21:12 syv: How much for a specops platoon?
07:21:57 Devastator: Probably 200, but I'm not adding anything for turn 1.
07:22:20 Devastator: in general, I don't want people just buying 'like X but better'
07:22:24 Devastator: that's what research is for.
07:23:03 syv: That actually works really well for me, if I did indeed choose to do infantry spam. I have 2x medium to start with, and 300 money with a 25% discount... so a medium unit that costs 200 each is precisely my budget.
07:23:39 syv: I'll probably just do infantry + arty, really, but the siren song of specops does call to me...
07:24:20 syv: It'd really be way better to just say "infantry are specops, you can't buy better infantry".
07:24:34 Devastator: I'd rather you spend 200 on +1 survivability.
07:24:45 syv: Nobody will ask for cheaper crappy infantry anyway, because they're already at the point where transport costs more.
07:24:58 syv: Upkeep comes out of funding, no?
07:24:59 Devastator: It's a waste of money.
07:25:10 Devastator: You pay upkeep at the same time funding comes in.
07:25:18 Devastator: 200 for +1 survivability on infantry.
07:27:50 syv: Wouldn't specops get better accuracy or something?
07:28:07 syv: Rather than magically being better protected?
07:28:19 Devastator: It's not 'better protected', really.
07:28:25 syv: Will we ever get to see direct stats?
07:28:30 Devastator: but it's more 'harder to wipe out'
07:36:31 syv: Will helicopters be able to pick up and redeploy troops in a time-expedient manner? Like, during a battle, your small-size unit could load into a heli as the Kaiju approaches, then fly away and redeploy before the battle's done? While a plane couldn't do the same?
07:39:19 Devastator: You want the small infantry unit back again?
07:39:52 syv: Well that's an enormous advantage.
07:40:48 Devastator: do note that doing that makes it vastly more likely for you to lose the helicopter.
07:41:20 syv: Nah, it's still crap without explosives or any discount.
07:41:37 syv: I mean of course I want specops squads, but at the same price of a specops platoon? Nah.
07:41:55 syv: Far as I can tell with this armory it's only really relevant for Arty.
07:42:23 syv: And even then, you're spending more money on the transport than you are on the gun.
07:42:52 syv: Building my own AC-130 might be the best tactic. +75 and has transport capacity to spare.
07:44:48 syv: Helicopter mobility will matter a lot more later on, when we have more expensive power units.
07:48:27 Devastator: aight, got the basic rules down.
07:48:32 Devastator: now.. the actual first turn!
07:48:47 Devastator: for fucks sake why did I do such an ambitious project?
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07:57:06 syv: Hello bouncing my old friend
07:57:30 syv: (
Devastator) for fucks sake why did I do such an ambitious project?
07:57:30 syv: (
syv) IIRC this evolved from that vs xcom game idea?
07:57:30 syv: (
syv) Except at some point you swapped ayys for kaijus, and let each player have their own faction rather than just being one team.
07:58:42 Devastator: there was a x-com pacific rim game a long time ago.
08:28:48 Devastator: well, you guys haven't done anything. ;-p
08:29:20 syv: I'm sure it'll grow, give it time. :P
08:29:29 Devastator: yeah, it certainly will.
08:29:43 Devastator: hopefully be shorter than the huge work on the rules and such.
08:30:25 Devastator: well, have fun with it.
08:56:43 Devastator: "I think at this point we're going to either see runner A extend the lead, or runner B close in and take over."
08:58:33 syv: Both are different from nothing changing.
08:59:41 Devastator: Turned out that there was a huge cascade of failures for both of them.
08:59:47 Devastator: lead changed back and forth.
08:59:49 Devastator: ended up in same place.
09:05:40 Devastator: "I don't know how but Runner B is somehow in the lead now."
09:09:24 Devastator: just amusingly bad commentary.
09:12:19 Devastator: the other commetator went AFK for 20+ minutes due to bad internet.
09:14:14 Devastator: the runs aren't that tight either.
09:17:38 Devastator: pressing a not working out for him.
09:27:28 Devastator: ahh, the sweet smell of failure.
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15:48:06 Piecewise: everyone went and looked at it
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16:43:05 ER: hey, if labs construct biological things at one size smaller, that means I can use a small lab to make a Fake Hedgehog
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