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00:33:20 Devastator: draggie's doing ok.
00:34:01 ER: perhaps we should get a bag or something made so we can carry things not in our mouth. :P
01:09:14 Devastator: Also, next treasure we find we sleep on.
01:13:44 Devastator: we should sleep on them now because we're napping and the adults aren't awake yet.
01:13:49 Devastator: or are already gone.
01:15:15 Devastator: nah, too close to wake-up time.
02:45:36 ER: "she definitely almost avoided that super obvious attack."
02:51:22 Devastator: Needs to stop channeling goha.
05:01:22 ER: me a gonna go eat a sandwich now
05:25:50 ER: now I have a bowl full of "sour cream and cheddar" flavored potato chips
05:26:02 ER: which they may as well call "dairy flavor"
05:32:21 Devastator wishes I had some chips.
05:33:03 ER: not actually my favorite crunchy
05:33:17 ER: I like nuts or pretzels better
05:33:24 ER: buuuut we don't got those around
05:36:47 Devastator: Looks like buff and summon wolves.
05:37:45 ER: AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
05:38:03 Devastator: gotta try that out with others present at some point. Or outside.
05:41:00 ER: wonder what I could do as a peregrine falcon with mobility 3
05:41:30 Devastator: Talked about that with
syv once.
05:41:39 Devastator: Turn into a jet fighter with mob 3.
05:41:52 Devastator: Don't think we had hard numbers, but expect to go several times faster.
05:42:03 Devastator: could probably go supersonic in a dive.
05:50:57 ER: wonder what stat is most important for being intimidating. :P
05:53:08 Devastator: I mean, whatever it is, 'being a 1200 kg wolf' is probably a huge bonus to it.
05:54:06 Devastator: but also intimidating.
05:54:37 Devastator: Maybe I should bring someone along as an interpreter.
05:54:50 Devastator: That is a more worrying scene than the one I was expecting.
05:55:39 ER: well, Sophia is totally willing to do her best dangerous thug impression, interpreter less so. :P
05:56:01 Devastator: I suppose waving a gun around is also intimidating.
05:56:09 Devastator: on the other hand, maybe another MG is around.
06:00:20 Devastator: You know, that'd be a good way to test max speed.
06:00:23 Devastator: run on a train bed.
06:02:05 ER: just run through the streets and dare anyone to stop you
06:05:12 Devastator: but railroad tracks would be less likely to kill anyone.
06:05:15 Devastator: and they're straighter.
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06:06:53 syv: Love is rolled for intimidation.
06:07:54 Devastator: Is there a bonus due to being a giant wolf?
06:08:10 syv: No. Instead, the difficulty is easier.
06:08:38 Devastator: You want orders tonight or later?
06:09:44 syv: In PS, rolls give results of "you did poorly" or "you did well" or whatever. Some powers affect that directly, but the vast majority of things just change how "poorly" or "well" is interpreted. Try something easy, poorly is enough. Try something very hard, well might not be.
06:10:40 syv: As for orders, I don't really care. Tooru's the next priority, so I won't be thinking about Alida much for awhile.
06:11:04 ER: you have a flat chance to fuck up or do surprisingly well. what that means exactly depends on the task~
06:11:17 Devastator: I'll think about it for a bit then.
06:11:46 Devastator: Order the pork sandwitch,
ER.
06:12:11 Devastator: Only thing I'll ask is if the van is blank.
06:13:29 Devastator: ie, no company name or anything.
06:14:45 Devastator: Yeah, have a couple of half-plans now.
06:15:00 syv: Also it's noonish for Alida.
06:15:09 Devastator: Oh, thought it was a free evening.
06:16:03 syv: The first two days that were described were during evenings, after school. The current day is Saturday, no school, so Alida's out and doing stuff earlier.
06:16:46 Devastator: yeah, now is good time then. Going to be hard for there to be witch shenanigans at this time of day.
06:17:18 Devastator: and prolly just going to walk up, knock on door, and see what happens. Start out in normal clothes, not the MG outfit, assuming that can be put on at any point.
06:17:46 Devastator: not sure why building is so scary, but.. brave.
06:18:37 Devastator: There's probably something wrong, but.. hard to be intimidated when just last week you fought a five-story tall glass angel.
06:18:52 Devastator: so probably should be extra worried that this is scary.
06:18:53 ER: and almost killed yourself doing so
06:19:29 Devastator: Anyway, thanks for the good update.
06:19:36 syv: ...Hmm. Probably shouldn't say this, but most of the anxiety is just because this is something that's important to Alida. What with it being tied heavily to her father's death and all.
06:20:00 syv: This is a good update? Seemed median at best, to me.
06:20:01 ER: hmm, do I need a bottle opener for these?
06:20:44 Devastator: Exactly the kind of thing that makes sense.
06:21:52 syv: I honestly have been inside like three bars in my life, I'd assume there's bottle openers available, or something.
06:22:06 Devastator: This is a shitty bar, probably twist caps.
06:22:17 Devastator: totally makes sense.
06:22:52 ER: being inside bars is generally an unpleasant experience
06:23:03 ER: unless they have food, as a few around here do
06:23:28 syv: I think every bar I've been inside has had food. I have hated all of them.
06:23:38 syv: Then again, I hate groups of people in general, so.
06:24:20 Devastator: I don't usually like bars, but there was at least one I had a good time in.
06:24:29 ER: yeah, I don't mind being around SOME people
06:24:44 ER: need them to survive, after all
06:24:48 Devastator: following a wedding, but we had free time for a day in Victoria, and the bar had some very homey couches and tables and nooks.
06:25:14 Devastator: Played some pool later with a couple fairly distant relatives.
06:26:37 Devastator: No, wait, I got that mixed up.
06:26:40 Devastator: that wasn't in Victoria.
06:27:29 syv: Yeah, nah, I can tolerate at most one new person comfortably for a few hours. Any more than that and I've gotta keep my back to a wall and remain very aware of exits. Bars are hell.
06:27:47 Devastator: That was in Peterborough.
06:27:57 ER: they don't count as new people if they're not talking to you.
06:28:05 ER: so yes, corners are useful.
06:28:19 syv: I don't know any of these cities,
Dev.
06:28:40 Devastator: Small city in central ontario.
06:29:02 Devastator: went there for a cousin's wedding.
06:29:13 Devastator: Same trip where I first read Name of the Wind..
06:29:47 ER: remember, random people you see are probably just as scared as you are and would quite like to avoid you. Avoid contact, no conflict!
06:29:57 Devastator: Lovely city, really, just a nice mix of lots of different things.
06:30:03 ER: pretend they don't exist while they pretend you don't exist.
06:31:20 syv: Yeah I agree with 0% of that, I'm well aware that people are less scared of me than vice-versa, and conflict with them almost always makes things easier. I can deal with arguments and yelling, that's easy.
06:32:12 Devastator: A lot of times small cities like that have solid identities where you can be an outsider, but Peterborough doesn't really have one of those, so it just felt like everyone could be a local.
06:33:38 Devastator: Yeah. Some education, a couple mills, some rich cottage-goers, some immigrants, some tourists..
06:33:47 Devastator: but not enough of any one group to dominate.
06:44:02 ER: so yeah, immaculate soul gonna mess me up here, right?
06:46:26 syv: Hasn't Sophia already drank beer since becoming an MG?
06:49:11 syv: Well did immaculate soul mess that up?
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06:49:52 ER: yeah, it made me not get drunk! >:|
06:50:09 Devastator: two beers might just not be enough.
06:50:23 ER: should have asked for something stronger!
06:50:34 syv: Sophia probably does have good resistance.
06:51:30 parisbre56: should had just given the bottles to Ada, I'm sure my skilled bravery would be enough to defeat those puny bottle caps
06:51:50 parisbre56: "what do you mean it's not a twist off?"
06:52:48 ER: then I'd have to let you put your grubby hands on my booze!
06:53:34 parisbre56: eh, it's just water with taste for you anyway
06:53:52 parisbre56: just do what
Dev said and stick your ring in it
06:54:22 Devastator: I still recommend mind controlling the phone to unlock it. ;-p
06:54:30 Devastator: It's wasteful, but I'd love to see if that works.
06:54:34 ER: it's worked in the past and I don't have conclusive evidence that it won't work now!
06:55:00 ER: I asked
syv is phones have souls, and he said no, and Sophia would be able to tell
06:55:57 parisbre56: well, one could consider the CPU/Memory combo to be a mind of sorts
06:56:10 parisbre56: then again, if it messes with souls, it probably won't work
06:56:20 ER:
syv! can I mind control things that have a mind, but no soul!?
06:56:43 syv: What things have minds but no souls?
06:57:09 syv: Zombies and vampires have souls.
06:57:42 syv: And no sufficiently advanced robots exist.
06:57:59 Devastator: "I wish I had a positronic robot companion."
06:58:02 ER: time to wish for AI technology to exist
06:58:04 syv: I'm uncertain whether they can in the setting, tbh. Ugh. Fine, to answer your question, no.
06:58:20 parisbre56: hmm. should had made that my wish. or maybe just wish for Gundams
06:58:29 Devastator: That might be too hard.
06:58:44 syv: Just wish to understand all the secret plot stuff.
06:58:44 ER: upload my mind to a computer AI, I'll have no soul and be immune to witchification!
06:58:52 Devastator: Didn't I consider having someone with like a mecha core totem?
06:59:12 syv: IIRC you talked about a mecha action figure.
06:59:14 Devastator: or a mecha action figure or something.
06:59:19 ER: we've all already worked out the secret plot long ago~
06:59:20 parisbre56: yeah, but without soul you can't use magic, so what's the point?
06:59:36 parisbre56: besides immortality
07:00:37 ER: though, guess I can't destroy my existing soul without becoming a witch and then being absorbed by an MG. hmm
07:00:47 ER: but an instance of my mind could escape.
07:01:11 Devastator: well, if you went witch and killed Pumsy/all the pumsys, there wouldn't be any more MGs to absorb you.
07:01:30 ER: that would be immortality, not the kind we want though
07:01:43 ER: see my current personal text
07:02:03 syv: (
ER) we've all already worked out the secret plot long ago~
07:02:12 Devastator: UNICORNPEGASUSKITTEN
07:02:40 Devastator: A ball of [fluff] with terrible eyes.
07:02:57 ER: we can't tell you, it's adorable how you still think it's secret, you see~
07:03:20 ER: but yeah, pumsy is obviously a perfectly normal feline
07:03:41 syv: I think you're like the second person aside from me to use that word on Bay12. Though perhaps IRC doesn't count for that.
07:04:16 Devastator: I quoted it from your personal text.
07:05:10 syv: And the only other person to ever actually write is Ozarck, as far as I know.
07:05:38 syv: And I've had that personal text for nine years.
07:06:15 ER: oh yeah, killing pumsy wouldn't keep MGs from being created.
07:06:34 Devastator: still going to haul him into a labrynth eventually.
07:08:34 syv: Nine years is a substantially higher percentage of my life than 13 is of yours.
07:08:58 parisbre56: just put him in one of those Kitty harnesses and put him on a leash
07:09:03 parisbre56: that way he won't escape
07:09:05 Devastator: as if you know how old I am. ;-p
07:09:09 syv: ...Though actually I think it's pretty close, hmm.
07:09:38 ER:
Dev is the god emperor of mankind confirmed
07:09:40 syv: You told me enough to get it within a few years, awhile ago. I think I discussed it with you at the time?
07:11:38 parisbre56: there's an idea: most witches must hate that they became MGs. Therefore, they must hate Pumsy. so you could use Pumsy as a sort of distraction or trap
07:12:01 parisbre56: put him behind a ruler's rune or something to lure the witch to it
07:12:22 parisbre56: doesn't even have to be the actual Pumsy, just take a stuffed animal
07:12:31 parisbre56: at least, that's assuming witches have eyes
07:12:38 syv: No, don't. He tastes like chicken, which is fowl.
07:13:09 ER: Does Pumsy's soul live in his body?
07:13:20 parisbre56: put a sign next to it "free kitten"
07:13:26 parisbre56: then prepare the boulder trap
07:13:48 Devastator: I'm not cheap enough to do boulder traps, please. ;-p
07:14:33 ER: the obvious best choice for trap is some poor little girl with soul nova
07:14:46 syv: Nah, that one doesn't reset.
07:14:58 ER: yeah but they're cheap and powerful~
07:15:29 ER: should make a Pumsy's Seeds mod for DF.
07:15:31 syv: Watergun uses a cheap renewable resource, is powerful, and fully automatic. Just takes a bit of work to set up.
07:16:03 syv: Maybe you should wait for the magic update. I don't think you could adequately mimic a lot of the powers.
07:16:05 Devastator: well, that's a way to trap the tiger kitten.
07:16:32 ER: ...is it possible to make creatures that the player can't perceive in DF?
07:16:52 Devastator: I'm pretty sure, yeah.
07:17:10 syv: You can give things extremely high ambusher skill.
07:17:33 syv: But I don't think you can make a monster that's *competely* impossible to perceive.
07:17:51 ER: I'm not sure if a city builder game with PM3 based things would be great or pointless
07:18:22 ER: "oh look, a bunch of citizens "killed themselves" in this warehouse, hope they can deal with that!"
07:18:25 syv: You could make a creature that has an entirely black tile, which comes frustrstingly close to invisible in ASCII.
07:18:35 Devastator: ASCII is very colourful.
07:18:40 Devastator: no black tiles in DF.
07:19:40 syv: The background of every tile is black, and a creature with an all-black tile is hard to pick out in grass and other mostly-black tile types.
07:20:19 ER: I think you'll be able to pick out the hole in space moving around
07:20:31 ER: and see it on the unit screen and such
07:20:49 syv: If you just copied magical girls and witches and such into DF, it'd be boring and fairly pointless, but if you actually made mechanics revolving around it, which were designed to work well with DF's systems, you could probably make something interesting.
07:21:08 syv: I did say "frustratingly close".
07:21:18 Devastator: Being hungry would be nasty.
07:21:41 Devastator blinks at stating that all-black tiles would be hard to pick out.
07:21:49 syv: I'm speaking from experience, BTW. Modded a type of soldier's color to be all-black, IIRC, and that made them super hard to pick out.
07:21:53 Devastator: Man, Ghosts are actual creatures.
07:22:03 Devastator: They're just invisible to the player.
07:22:55 syv: Can you make new creatures which are ghosts, not just creatures that can become ghosts by normal methods?
07:23:54 Devastator: No idea how, but it should be possible.
07:25:14 parisbre56: nah, I don't think so. ghosts are special, aren't they?
07:25:29 parisbre56: though making ghosts appear in haunted locations would make sense
07:26:15 syv: Yeah, I'm pretty sure ghosts are hardcoded... though admittedly I've done very little with raws since they were added.
07:26:38 parisbre56: instead of zombification you could have everything you kill leave ghosts instead
07:27:09 parisbre56: "we hunted a deer. now we have to appease the deer spirit or it will haunt us forever!"
07:27:47 ER: we killed this surprisingly strong little girl but she exploded into invisible demons
07:29:12 Devastator: I don't know why the ribbons.
07:29:19 Devastator: I made some of them into socks!
07:29:34 ER: those socks will try to kill you in the night
07:31:38 parisbre56: dwarf magical girl with sock totem
07:31:48 Devastator: and yes, that would be it.
07:31:48 parisbre56: turns sock into rifle
07:31:58 Devastator: turns sock into.. decorated sock.
07:32:13 parisbre56: menaces with spikes of sock
07:32:26 ER: dwarf magic is different from human magic
07:32:32 ER: they value different things
07:32:39 Devastator: spikes of acacia wood.
07:32:52 syv: Turns sock into rifle? Japan's already done that one.
07:33:03 ER: for them, making decorated socks instantly is the height of fantasy
07:33:26 ER: of course, for humans it's blowing shit up
07:34:23 parisbre56: just fill the sock with booze and set it on !!fire!!
07:34:26 Devastator: Dwarf magical girl: Makes bed out of not-wood.
07:40:52 Devastator: We should do the succession fort.
07:41:04 Devastator: I should either go first or after someone did military. ;-p
07:41:37 ER: for nerfed aquifers and a game mechanic that you know just as little about as I do
07:42:23 syv: I haven't played vanilla DF in a long time.
07:42:38 Devastator: well, removing curses.
07:42:52 Devastator: and yeah, vanilla. Don't need orcs or another 15 different kinds of metal.
07:42:53 syv: That's vanilla with custom worldgen.
07:43:16 syv: It would have features that we're all equally unfamiliar with~
07:44:58 Devastator: mostly unnecessary ones.
07:46:11 syv: That decribes the base game's feature list too.
07:46:39 Devastator: hence why add more?
07:46:55 Devastator: There's enough features to do insane projects and build ridiculous things.
07:48:14 Devastator: We already have random megabeast attacks and seiges.
07:48:33 syv: (
Devastator) hence why add more?
07:48:33 syv: Because a major part of DF's fun is figuring out how to play, and how features work. Adding more features means there's more stuff to figure out, and more stuff to go wrong.
07:49:05 Devastator: You could just play a bit sloppy if you want to let stuff go wrong.
07:51:47 ER: I want curses because I've barely played before, and I don't want my first experince with it to be incomplete
07:55:00 Devastator: don't add anything that the other attacks don't, except make it take forever to resolve if you just don't wall up permanently.
07:55:38 syv: You know, he has a fair point there. He *hasn't* played with curses.
07:56:23 syv: Even if you feel like they're terrible, you're just one of the players, and he'll probably find them more interesting than you'll find them unpleasant.
07:56:44 Devastator: They also have no effect on fort development.
07:58:19 Devastator: You build the fort in exactly the same way.
07:58:28 Devastator: it's just that you get more dead dwarves if you use melee.
07:58:33 Devastator: and are more likely to lose the fort entirely.
07:58:40 Devastator: leaving nothing to pass on.
08:00:09 parisbre56: can't you disable werebeasts while keeping vampires? at least with vampires you get to use the Justice system
08:00:10 syv: So... we enable curses, fort dies early, we start a new fort without curses.
08:00:29 syv: Vampires are worse than werebeasts mechanically... :\
08:00:35 Devastator: we enable curses, fort dies early, we start a new fort with curses enabled.
08:00:44 Devastator: eventually build same fort as every other fort.
08:01:20 ER: it's not like DF is a fun game
08:01:33 ER: may as well have lots of interesting things in it~
08:01:34 parisbre56: I mean, the purpose of all forts is to die horribly
08:01:58 parisbre56: so you just need to have lots and lots of ways to die
08:02:06 parisbre56: so that they don't die of boredom
08:02:38 Devastator: I just want to introduce you to the joys of socks and forts that grow more than just plump helmets.
08:04:12 syv: You know who
ER is, right?
08:05:14 ER: tried to fight three dragons, lost
08:20:05 ER: literally what happened in my game as you were saying that
08:21:15 ER: really I was thinking "what will happen if I bomb all three of these shrines" and the answer is three dragons
08:21:40 ER: killed two, but got frozen by the blue dragon, which means you lose
08:38:46 ER: "I figured booze is good for you, because things that taste good are bad for you"
08:42:15 Devastator: Always a good plan, that.
08:52:42 parisbre56: if you're feeling bad, you should do something that makes you feel bad so you'll feel better
08:52:52 parisbre56: I think that's how homeopathy works
08:54:58 parisbre56: "Thank you all so much. We hit the goal! As for the 2000 goal. I'll see if the TTS Gang is willing to do a dating sim with me as they voice their TTS chars."
08:56:26 Devastator: homeopathy works by actively doing nothing at all.
08:57:43 parisbre56: meant to say "supposed to work"
09:06:30 syv: Homeopathy doesn't do nothing at all.
09:06:42 syv: Homeopathy actively facilitates the placebo effect.
09:08:15 syv: And sometimes the placebo effect is better than nothing at all to a greater degree than proper medicine is better than the placebo effect.
09:08:39 syv: Ergo, sometimes homeopathy is arguably better than normal medicine.
09:09:13 ER: arguably because it's you and not because of its own intrinsic merits~
09:10:31 Devastator: it's just a more expensive way to do nothing at all, and very expensive placebos.
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13:21:37 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: syvarris wishes Tactihell would update more often. ;-;
13:21:37 Topic set by syv [Sunday 04 August 2019, 03:51:33]
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15:59:25 er: Well, I crossed the busy road and gave $360 in cash to my bank.
15:59:53 midnightjaguar: I see. Mind if I ask why?
15:59:56 er: Hopefully they use it how I tell them to!
16:00:43 er: Opened my account recently, before kept all my $ as paper bits in my room.
16:01:32 er: I need the bank to have this much so that they don't complain when the student loan people come to take my money away.
16:02:29 er: As of now, I don't have any money hidden in my room any more. All in the bank and in my wallet. Exciting!
16:02:53 midnightjaguar: Neat. But yeah, Students loans are the worst to be sure.
16:09:07 er: Mine aren't very large. Because I went to a community college only part time, decided that I hate it, and quit.
16:09:55 er: Net result: I don't owe much money for the experience I got next to nothing out of!
16:10:14 midnightjaguar: Ah. What did you hate about it?
16:11:52 er: I dislike every part of it that's mandatory.
16:13:27 er: Except showing up for lectures, which is a lot like an educational youtube video but with a real person you can ask questions to.
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16:36:25 er: Oh well, are you okay,
midnightjaguar?
16:37:12 midnightjaguar: I’m not bad. I’m back at school but it hasn’t
started back up yet.
16:50:37 er: Gonna go buy tacos for me to eat, which are one of life's few true pleasures in this cruel universe.
16:51:10 er: Sadly, this requires leaving internet range, which is one of the other few pleasures.
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17:27:42 er: I wasn't leaving forever, delicious tacos is literally the closest restaurant to my house! D:
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18:16:01 ER: welp, let's see how this goes
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18:20:57 midnightjaguar: See how what goes?
18:24:03 ER: guess you're not dealt into our little PM-based section
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18:44:51 midnightjaguar_: Hmm. I should go
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20:39:43 ER: I have nothing else to do today, so this is a perfect time to go to sleep!
20:40:05 ER: maybe I'll write a nice story of Ada. later.
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